A quick look on the internet suggests apart from Holland & Barrett it's quite expensive.
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A quick look on the internet suggests apart from Holland & Barrett it's quite expensive.
There is a company in Edinburgh that supply it, Loveburgh, theres also a shop just opened up in Leith selling CBD oil, they also offer advice/counselling etc. Ive tried to research the products but its just a minefield out there, and as you say, expensive too.Quote:
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Thus far, all I'm getting is a dry mouth. Brutal. [emoji52]
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That's who I got it from.Quote:
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Loveburgh or Leith ? I got Raw paste as an alternative, comes in a 10ml syringe & you just put a pinkie nail sized blob on your finger or on a bit of bread & consume, its absolutley ****ing vile that I gagged each time I tried it. I have a full syringe worth sitting in bottom of my locker at work that I just cant bear to use 😬Quote:
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Sorry, Loveburgh.Quote:
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I'm wondering if I can put a few drops in a drink. Might help the taste .....
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Yeah the taste is the off putting thing, there must be ways around it & putting it in a drink may help. My colleague who uses Raw paste suggested putting a drop on a bit of banana as its easier to swallow, doesnt sound too bad but I would assume the liquid version may be trickier to do. I vape & Loveburgh also do a vape liquid, I wonder if thats worth trying.Quote:
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http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/8568
Posted on the main forum but clearly has a tie in with this discussion. Hopefully it serves its purpose and helps those in need.
I agree that some cbd oils can taste ‘earthy’ to say the least!
‘LoveCBD spray’ is a lemony tasting cbd oil which comes in a handy spray. It’s £20 on the lovecbd website.
They recommend putting 2-3 drops (squirts) under your tongue and letting it be absorbed for 2 mins (supposedly if you swallow cbd oil straight away the body doesn’t absorb the cbd goodness)
I started using cbd oil nearly 2 years ago and it really helped with anxiety. Anxiety and depression seem to go hand in hand, so being able to calm the anxiety gave me a clearer view of the depression and a bit of headspace to try and navigate around the depression (an ongoing task!).
I've been struggling with my memory and getting really confused. I lost my medication the last day which led to the GP threatening to withdraw it. I feel like crap now, not been right since that appointment yesterday.
Sorry to hijack the thread about a very worthwhile discussion point about an issue which clearly affects many posters here, but I’m confused by the legalities of CBD oil, particularly around the current story of the wee boy with epilepsy and his mother’s efforts to get CBD oil for him being thwarted by the authorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by wpj
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44504142
The discussion on here, everything I’ve read, and the fact Holland and Barrett and other shops sell the stuff suggests it’s legal here. So what’s the issue surrounding this lad and his mother?
Is it a different type of oil? Is it some sort of high strength variant? Is there an age limit?
It's the THC component that is illegal here.Quote:
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A few year ago now I got addicted to tramadol and 30mg cocodamal on prescription after a operation, went through a spell off thinking everbody was looking and talking about me, also hated going to work after operation recovery but still taking tablets.got to the point 8am on a Monday and could not wait till 3pm on a Friday, then dreaded going back on a Monday. Happy to say better days now though after some counciling and advice keep myself busy playing golf,darts and getting out and about, also talking to people I trust about it, I can't speak openly about it to other people I know yet and thats been about 4 years
That's really interesting about the Co-codamol. It sounds like you've been through a lot and I hope things are getting better and moving, at least, in the right direction for you. I take a lot of Co-codamol for migraines (which come with their own depressive issues). The feeling of being 'off' them was indescribable, I was so much more 'level' in how I mentally spoke to myself. A few migraines, a few painkillers in and it all goes to mush again. I know they can be addictive and I know they come with a whole load of issues, but it's never really that easy is it.Quote:
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Hope things get better for you quickly LF.
Are you still taking it and is it working if you are?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Has anyone who’s come off anti-depressants found themselves going through slight manic phases? I’ve been off them a couple of months but still getting irrationally angry at stupid things, but also having really hyper/positive/manic periods. A little bit worrying but there’s no depression so not sure if I should just stick with it.
I'm afraid I've no real help here, but I did come off Amitriptyline after a year of using them to stop migraines. Certainly think about these questions - How quickly did you come off them? Did a doctor or a pharmacist tell you what the side-effects would be? Are you on any other medication? Maybe keep a dot-journal to record triggers/reactions and severity of reactions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SRHibs
Hope it goes well for you.
I’ve just started on Duloxetine as another attempt to relieve my tension.
Halfway through week 2 and it’s been tough with a much lower mood, tiredness but the worst is I’m sweating more than Rafa Nadal was yesterday!
Not sure these drugs are for me.
I'm currently on citalopram.works for me.anxiety is horrible.best wishes to everyone on here fighting it.
Hi SR. I have a similar issue although not always about when coming off medication. The doctor suggested that I may suffer from Cyclothymia. Hope the link below works. It might be worth reading up on.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cyclothymia/
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Thanks for the well wishes.Quote:
Originally Posted by heidtheba
My doctor thought it was time I came off so I tapered down. Was initially on 30, so tapered down slowly to 5mg every 2 days then came straight off.
Definitely helped with the physical withdrawal symptoms as they were very mild, but it’s just my head is a bit iffy. I think keeping a journal may help, especially if I rate the severity of my moods.
Yeah, my thought was that it could ether be a withdrawal symptom, or symptoms that my medication may have been keeping at bay. It’s hard to explain, but the manic/happy phases almost feel like chemical highs, like they’re not ‘real’. I might just be thinking too much into things though.Quote:
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Will maybe discuss with my GP the next time I’m in.
Think I’m in one of those phases where I can’t shake the feeling of being low but I have no idea what’s causing it.
Not been as active (ie walking) as much in recent weeks. Also let my emails build up from 1 unread to 16. In them is nothing to worry about and I’m a stickler for a to do list but just now feel for anything I do I need to do another two things after it
This has been happening to me as well... did you ever find a way to control it mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by SRHibs
Reluctant to take the meds again due to certain side effects but can't say my overall mood has improved
Also in a similar position as yourself. I used to do a bit mountain biking but lately I've just had no energy or desire to get out and do it. It's like survival mode to get through the working day and homeQuote:
Originally Posted by LustForLeith
I know to an extent what is contributing to it but trying to get in to another mindset or way of thinking is difficult.
I've got an app called headspace which i use occasionally but can't say it's worked a treat. Has anyone else had better joy with it?
Didn’t have much joy myself tended just to switch off listening to it or thinking about how I felt more.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenNWhiteArmy
I find listening to music much better really lifts my mood and a great distraction.
I have a friend ive known for eight years. Our kids have been in the same class since nursery. He's always been the bloke I immediately have a lot in common with, and have a chat every day in the playground. Last year out of the blue he told me was signed off sick with stress, and he said he didnt really understand what his purpose in life was anymore. I offered him some paid work with me to get him back into the workplace on a gradual basis and in a relaxed environment. I also told him about my similar experiences in the past, how he must get some good meds if he felt like they helped, and explore as many solutions as possible. Getting a good counsellor. Lots of exercise. relaxation. Social contact. Sleep. All that good stuff.
I genuinely enjoyed his company, we went for a pint in the Spring where we argued long and hard about the rights and wrongs of Morrissey and the Smiths, and although he didnt get signed back to work, he said he had a good counsellor and was getting somewhere with her. I saw him in the playground at the end of school term in June, and we said we need to definitely get together with our respective missuses for a pint or something to eat soon. I found out last week that he killed himself over the holidays. Ive just seen his wife, whose appearance has changed in a major way. His two kids have gone back to school without a dad. Noone knows what to do or say.
Im absolutely not posting this as a request for sympathy, or for a general chat about the sadness of the situation. I just want to make a plea that if anyone reading this thread, which i know has become a bit of a self help community in some ways, is feeling like theyve slipped off the edge, or is starting to feel suicidal thoughts, please contact someone. If you're in that position you are bound to feel like no-one cares, thats wrong. Lots of people will care about you, even if you dont realise it. Mental health services are underresourced, yes, but there will be people who will be available to help you. Speak to your GP. Get a referral to a professional. And above all, open up to someone. Just talk. **** it, you can PM me for a chat if you want , although my wisdom will be limited. Almost everyone now understands that mental health issues are no reason to fear you or stigmatise you. People will be sympathetic and want to help. Please dont leave it too late.
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I'm so sorry to hear that.
"he said he didnt really understand what his purpose in life was anymore" - I've been there. Kind, friendly words can be like a lifebelt. Seeking them or giving them can make the difference.
Really sorry to hear that, it’s a truly tragic story. I don’t know you personally, but I certainly appreciated the correspondence we had when I finally plucked up the courage to speak about my own problems. I just hope that you are staying strong and remembering that in times of despair that everyone on this thread is only a pm away. That goes for anyone going through a tough spell. I know from experience that talking with strangers who know what you’re going through can be really helpful.Quote:
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:top marks I echo every single word of this.Quote:
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Wow. I'm so sorry for your loss HB. I'd like to echo this, if there is anyone who needs someone anonymous to talk to please feel free to private message me. Suicide has had a direct effect on my wife's family and would do anything to help.Quote:
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I am deeply sorry to hear about your friend, hibsbolla. Thank you doing what you could for him and for being willing to share this story. I just wanted to contribute regarding your remark 'No one knows what to do or say.'Quote:
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From professional experience but much more so my personal experience as a suicide survivor I have made a few observations that might be worth thinking about generally for people. I think the most hurtful thing I experienced was in a long-time neighbour shooing her children inside the house as I walked up the road to my home one evening. Things were new, raw and she obviously wanted to avoid having to speak to me as she didn't know what to say. It hurt but it's forgivable as people genuinely don't understand how to act and speak in the circumstances. For the survivor though it makes one feel like an outcast and as if you're being judged in some way - on top of all the other problems one has to face.
I'll start with a few things to avoid:
The first one that comes to mind is 'I understand how you feel'. Meant well but you cannot truly understand. It absolutely okay to to acknowledge as much too, it shows that you recognise the complexity of such a situation.
Don't value judge the suicide as taking the selfish choice or implying a weakness etc. This may conflict with the person's own thoughts as they seek to understand them. Be extra careful about saying things that could be interpreted as inferring blame on the survivor.
Don't disappear. It's natural that support dies away over time. It can be that it's after the initial shock has died off, the months after can be very difficult as the person tries to process their loss.
Don't be impatient. Avoid the 'moving on now' speech or other such cliches as this can place pressure on the person to 'get over it'.
Alternatively, here are a few more helpful words and actions:
Be a 'safe place' for the person to go to if they need to talk, make them understand that you're here to listen. Just your presence is often enough.
It's okay to say something like, 'I don't know what to say but I'm here for you'. Again, your presence alone can offer solace.
Offer help and support in a specific way and do this proactively. Rather than saying 'let me know if you need anything' try things that relieve stress in the individuals such as picking up the kids from school, doing their shopping or spending some time sitting with them. Make it easy for them to accept help.
Best wishes.
Add me to that too.Quote:
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Lots of sound comment there Stu, I would highlight one bit you mentioned in particular:Quote:
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It's natural that support dies away over time. It can be that it's after the initial shock has died off, the months after can be very difficult as the person tries to process their loss.
This sort of loss never goes away for those directly affected but becomes more normalised for those not so close. And for those affected there are many trigger points - birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas etc are obvious ones, but going somewhere you associate with the person, if it was a partner then receiving random junk mail addressed to them, bumping into old colleagues who never knew, hearing a piece of music you associate with them - all that and anything else can be huge to deal with.
I'm probably repeating Stu here but offering acceptance, being non-judgmental and non-directive, and just giving the space and time for someone to talk, if they want to, isn't just all one can do but is probably the best one can do. No pressure on the person suffering, but they know they have the safe space if they want it.
Thanks to you and others for your kind words, but really the sense of loss I feel will be infinitesimally small compared to his wife and kids. It's all about them really. I was out drinking and having a laugh watching comedy at the festival today, I doubt his family will be able to do that.Quote:
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I suppose the main emotions I have are senses of failure and regret that I couldn't help him enough to make a difference.
One of my friends went through a pretty tough time mainly (I suspect) due to his wife's mental health issues. Various people in our entourage, including myself, did our best to help him out and eventually we all remarked that, over a period of 2-3 months, he seemed to be in better form each time we seen him. Even though things were looking up we didn't lessen our support. Unfortunately it didn't stop him taking his own life.Quote:
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That was early 2016.
A couple of months later, one of my colleagues also committed suicide. He was in the middle of a messy separation/divorce and was also missing his native South of France (to where his wife and kids had returned). Although he didn't seem as troubled as my pal mentioned above, different people had gone out their way to help him out (including his boss who offered amazing financial support).
Your feelings are normal but honestly there's nothing you could have done. I've obviously had numerous long discussions with people who were close to the 2 guys I've spoken about and we've asked ourselves all sorts of questions. The consensus is that we couldn't realistically have done more for either of these guys, and that there are some things that are simply beyond comprehension.
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Absolutely agree with this.Quote:
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Mental illnesses are something that we do not have a full understanding of at the moment and much more funding and research is needed.
I'm sure your friend will have appreciated the help and support at the time and perhaps that actually prolonged his life beyond what may have happened if your support hadn't been there.
Feelings of regret and failure are absolutely normal when someone takes their own life despite offering your help to them.
I honestly don't think it works like that, having gone through my own dad's suicide attempts at the end of last year and beginning of this year. I believe that the brain is just such a complex organ that we do not fully understand enough about its failings to provide adequate support to every single person with a mental illness.
Hopefully one day that will change.
I’ve been attending The Changing Room initiative through Hi s and cant recommend it highly enough.
I don’t think we’ll ever fully understand mental health. What worries me is that we all have a least one thing which no matter how bad things get would stop us committing suicide, famiky, friends, Hibs(!!!) stuff like that.
The worry is when you’re so low that you can’t even see the worth in other people or things to stop you doing it? If you look at the amount of famous people who’ve committed suicide. Fair enough, they’ll maybe have more money but they still have the same issues.
You’d always think they would have at least one thing from committing suicide but clearly there’s a point of no return that anyone can reach.
I know what I’m trying to say but I’m terrible at saying it. What would maybe be good would be some sort of Hibs.net support group/forum/WhatsApp group where folk could check on each other and give each other the support we all need but sometimes don’t ask for?
Horizon on Wednesday 22nd @ 2100 on BBC2 is titled Stopping male suicide, might be worth watching for anyone affected by such a harrowing subject.
Thought I’d pop this in here - a brilliant young charity that has been helping young people across Edinburgh and the Lothians get access to mental health counselling is desperately needing funding.
If anyone looking in here can help please check out https://www.joshuanolanfoundation.org/ - they do amazing work!
H Your last sentence shows you care and I am sure the support you gave him for that period was appreciated by him even if he didn't say so. Your wording on your previous post may mean nothing to some but will mean everything to someone looking in and it may have given them the courage to seek some assistance/help they so desperately need.Quote:
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Wasn't sure how to word this so hopefully this makes sense!
The amount of support on this thread makes me proud to be a hibby. I don’t get out to too many games due to mental health issues mainly depression anxiety and ptsd. I’ve done counselling and been on many different meds including alcohol been sober 5 years now. Every day I question myself and others on what there motives are. Every day is a struggle but I’m up and at work every day but still have the feeling of dread and self loathing. This forum in all its forms helps.
GGTTH
Same for me PP, I am going through a pretty tough time physically which is impacting on my mental health.I am lucky to have support but it's still a long lonely fight at times.. This thread has been a massive help for me, and while I don't know any of you (well I might who knows) I feel an affinity with all the posters brave enough to share on here. Also those who post who do not suffer but support and care for those who do.Quote:
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Currently struggling. Been doing so well recently, but can’t face to even look at myself right now. Why does it change so quickly. Self loathing is something I’ve never been able get rid off.
I often feel like you do at this time of year.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Sometimes I think that we are more in tune with our natural environment than we are allowed to admit. Round about this time of year, with the equinox approaching, our natural selves are preparing for winter, but society demands that we still run at 100%.
So, as our energy levels are dropping, our activity isn't. That leads to more anxiety, self-reproach and, as you say, self-loathing.
My approach in September/October is to try and squeeze as much fresh air and, more importantly, light into my batteries to prepare for the darker days ahead. It's not easy when you have a job and personal commitments, I know, but I find it worth the effort.
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I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if I'm missing something. I was on Prozac for 12 years because of depression. My old man had undiagnosed depression and I believe Grandparents who I never knew were the same.
I started to read about Buddhism and how it can greatly improve your quality of life. I found it's been hijacked like many other religions and turned into a monster but you can take some basic teachings and apply them to everyday life.
Very simply....
1)Do what makes you happy but don't hurt others. If it's not quite what others want then tough. You are the important one, life is very short.
2)Forget all negative **** from the past...it's gone.
3)Live in the present..right NOW, not 5 minutes ago or ten years ago..it's gone. The ONLY reality in life is NOW.
4)Don't stress about the future..it'll seldom turn out how you want and that will only create disappointment.
5)Forgive people, you're only hurting yourself with negative or angry emotions.
5 simple rules which at first glance may look like superficial crap but think about, and apply, each one and your life will change.
If anybody thinks these simple rules may help can I stress number 3 is by far the most effective. Learn what it means to live in the present and apply it.
Once again I apologise if this isn't really relevant to the growing thread but thought it worth putting out there.
I’ve read you saying something similar before. I work nights and as the days get shorter i obviously see less daylight. I’m definitely going to give it a go, even if it’s going out into the garden for a while.Quote:
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Thanks.
Maybe think about a lightbox. I use one during the day after the clocks change.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
They're not ideal if you work nights, as they can keep you awake when you don't want to be. But you can play around with your routine.
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There is definitely something in this. I often feel a lot more unhappy and just generally down in the winter months. I haven't quite reached that stage just yet but once the clocks go back at the end of October I really struggle until around the middle-end of February.Quote:
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I'm really not a fan of winter and the dark nights when it's dark by about 4pm.
I agree it is very important to get out as much as you can during daylight hours during those months. It's not always easy but that's how I've helped my mood during winter.
I usually take vit D through the winter as I work outside so it’s a bit of a shock to lose the sun!
Lord B, please use this forum for support and also professional help. I have had an absolute James hunt of a year but yesterday cuddling my cat while she went to sleep has finally allowed me to cry, as in life Lila has sussed me out. I'm in bits but somehow finally dealing with all the other stuff. Take care pal and contact me or the others who have said so, we are all stronger together. For anyone looking in dont suffer alone. Take care y'allQuote:
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Thanks for that mate.Quote:
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Another who struggles at this time of year. I just always seem drained.
My issue is I'm doing 55-60 hour weeks at the moment, have a 1 year old daughter and am trying to balance the books with nursery fees and the like. I'm not totally sure if I'm just feeling the stresses everyone feels in life or something more. I'm forcing myself to go out running and trying to make sure I eat well and so on but I'm getting the irritable, contrary, sulky way I get when I know I'm not doing well.
Here's another take on your situation, PB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
You know that this time of year is tough for you. You also know that, generally, things do get better at some point. That self-awareness is a great asset to have.
Sometimes, doing all the right things like diet and exercise just isn't enough.
Accepting that you are who you are, good stuff and *****, can be a good tool for helping you through the tough times. I often use the mantra "this will pass" ..... because it nearly always does.
And the next time I have a good day, I soak it all up and store that memory to remind me, when life gets crap, that it will get better.
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I mind being at a stag which was pretty full on. One guy wrote ‘This shall pass’ on his knuckles for when he woke up with ‘the fear’..perfect reminderQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Truth is, thoughts are temporary and so are emotions...They keep on moving if we see them for what they are and come back to true self.
Not that i always do.
I'm off work just now feeling the same, first time in my life I've experienced it and the feeling of tiredness/exhaustion is unreal. The thing that's really got me is feeling guilty about it, there's so much that I normally do without thinking twice that I feel that I can't be bothered with - for example I was getting into a really good exercise routine in the evenings but I can't bring myself to do it, like as soon as I think about it my brain is just telling me I'm too tired and can't. Same with studying, I feel like the text book weighs a ton and so it's literally sat in my car for the last month.Quote:
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As I have posted previously I have had a horrible year and the sciatica I thought had gone has come back. Have to go back to work but there's no way i can do a full day with this pain. Also wating for another op, third one this year. Love Autumn but just beaten up with stuff at the moment. As I said putting my darling cat to sleep on Thursday has unleashed a torrent of emotion that has been building all year. But, it will pass, a great phrase to keep in mind thanks.
See that Cummings thread is stirring up some comments around mental health “mentally unwell” and “not right in the head” type comments. Added to the window lickers and puddle drinkers I know it’s a football forum but I hope there will come a time when we live in more enlightened times.
With you on that.Quote:
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It's an easy option to use that language to describe people's actions. Cummings, Trump, the Pilot Wings guy... just a few examples. It's stigmatising and, for people who are struggling, not helpful at all.
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I've just put up a very short article for anyone suffering from panic/anxiety attacks https://bit.ly/2CJnMwO
Interesting article on the BBC website today.
I have a strong suspicion that mental health problem are far more prevalent in professional football than is commonly imagined. The public sometimes view a stereotype of the rich, spoiled and cossetted footballer but I feel the rank and file professionals that form the majority of players are under many and varied pressures which can affect their well-being. Nor is the culture around the game especially conducive to those professionals discussing their problems and obtaining the appropriate support.
Marvin Sordell calls for full-time counsellors in football clubs
Hi all, finally plucked up the courage to post in this thread after months of looking in (I’ve read every single page of it).
ive been down lately, can’t put my finger on why, as many of you will know there often isn’t a reason... just a general malaise and feelings of worthlessness, loneliness etc. It happens periodically. Social anxiety too, and I’ve started attending a monthly support group for this. I also take on board the stuff in recent posts here about the change in seasons having an effect. I actually enjoy autumn with the cooler weather and the colours of the trees etc but the darker evenings are certainly tough.
Anyway, just wanted to say hello, as the thread was starting to slip down the board a wee bit and it’s been a huge help to me, so much good advice and inspiration (as well as some desperately sad stories), from people who know what they’re talking about. Thanks to all of you for it.
Cheers
Good on you for plucking up the courage to post. That 1st step in any setting is always the toughest.Quote:
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How are you finding the support groups for the social anxiety? I found talking a great help with my anxiety to help rationalise all the weird feelings and thoughts. I was always obsessed with knowing my nearest escape route was, kmowing where the toilet was, feeling like I was going to faint, collapse with a cardiac arrest and so on. I found ot quite amazing how common it sppears to be.
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Thanks mate.
yes I’m finding it worthwhile, though it’s early days, only been the last couple of months (went to one last year but bottled it and didn’t go again for 12 months). talking to others who feel similar, if not the same thoughts is certainly helpful and that pressure and fear of not wanting to embarrass myself or make a fool of myself every time I open my mouth is lessened by the fact the others feel the same way. Still waiting to see how it helps me in my everyday life.
Your last sentence strikes a chord too. The first thing the organizer of the group said to me was that one in eight people suffer social anxiety in some capacity. Hard to believe. I’ve often seen the many extroverts at work and in the pub and wondered what the hell was wrong with me.*
*i know many extroverts suffer mental health problems too. You just never know what’s going on behind the laughter.
Did you stick with it? My symptoms have faded greatly and I’m more “myself” now, with less of the fluctuating emotions.Quote:
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Quite an interesting programme on SKY last night about depression, McAteer : Through the Storm, well worth a watch.
I was in that boat when I first became a dad. It’s an absolute struggle to prepare mentally for being a parent. The responsibility that you face mentally, phyiscailly and finically to say the least are unreal. At the height of our child care woes we were paying almost £1000 a month on nursery and after school care. It’s reduced to about £200 now. I’d love to say weee better off but I’d be lying!Quote:
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It’s sad to see that so many people on here suffer from mental health issues but it’s also great to see that so many of us are talking about it or doing something about it.
I’ve said it before but the Changing Room programme run with SAMH and Hibs massively impressed me when I took part in it. People can sign up for this. I’m still pals with the folk I met on it and I’d like to think that we’re there for each other if we need help.
The Open University has a free course available right now on understanding depression and anxiety.
Hopefully it's of use to some on here.
First time speaking about this to any1 but my family but it’s become clear that I’m struggling with Health Anxiety, I’m not sure how severe it is for me but I know I definitely have a problem with it and it’s been like this for the past 6 months I’d say. I’m not anxious about becoming ill with everyday illness I’m more concerned about any type of cancer and I’m scared for my future aswell. I’m convincing myself that any little change in is an early sign of it and I’m straight to my GP, I can tell they are becoming a little fed up of me but I can’t help it. I would like to know if any1 can point me in the right direction of a good CBT therapist as I think this might be the way to go. Sorry if this post is bringing issues back up with others I’m just looking to get some help. Thanks in advance
Think Dalianwanda on here is a therapist. He might be able to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Sauzee
I've sent you a PM :)
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Whilst I can't help you re therapists, I don't think anyone will ever have to apologise for posting on this thread, good luck with getting the help you're looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Sauzee
Sorry to hear of your problems with anxiety. Anxiety can present itself as a number of different disorders such as Generalised Anxiety Disorder, Social Anxiety, Agorophobia and Panic Disorder etc. Sometimes they occur alongside other mental health disorders such as depression or personality disorder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Sauzee
Your GP is the normal gateway to talking therapies such as CBT. He can refer you to a therapist through the NHS, albeit there may be a waiting list. The service is called IAPT (Improving Access To Psychological Therapy). It can include treatment programmes of one-to-one therapy, counselling or group therapy. Formerly, IAPT was solely based on CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) but it now employs other types of therapies such as Humanistic Therapy, Psychodynamic and Integrative Therapy etc.
It's a good idea to know a little about the different types of therapies and how they work/which might be most apt for you, so you could ask your GP about that. I wondered why you were focused on CBT? (Not that it's necessarily a bad idea). CBT has been largely used by the NHS arguably due to its relative cheapness to provide and it being measureable for results - not because it is 'better' for the job (nor is it necessarily 'worse'). This doesn't mean that it's inferior in any way as it's very good for some things, for example addiction, it is also used widely for depression and anxiety. Sometimes however, there is a need to explore more deeply into a disorder as opposed to what some deride it as - a 'sticking plaster' approach. The bottom line is that some people respond well to certain therapies while others need something different. Good luck.
It's interesting to note that amidst the furore and comment involving Neil Lennon and the coin throwing incident, I've seen no particular comment about Neil's mental health and a possible connection with his reaction in considering his future at Hibs. Perhaps pertinent on a wider basis for mental health is that his past problems are largely ignored or overlooked when trouble comes calling.
I understand it's not up for public scrutiny and his dignity should be protected but it concerns me the great pressure he is constantly under - uniquely so in Scottish football. An emotional and mercurial man he undoubtedly is but I also wonder if he has been considering the pressure that comes with him working in Scotland for some time rather than what on the face of things might seem an emotional reaction.
What were the circumstances surrounding his departure from Celtic?Quote:
Originally Posted by stu in nottingham
I can't really remember, but I do recall becoming fed up of all the off-field nonsense played a part.
It would be a desperately sad day for our nation and a real eye-opener for us all if the same were to happen to him with us.
I just can't climb out of the depths of depression I'm currently experiencing - no matter how hard I try to combat the onset of recurring episodes.
This time of year, combined with fighting a 20 year ongoing eating disorder, and the perpetual bouts of depression associated, is taking its toll upon me both mentally and physically.
I've exhausted what seems like every avenue available to me in terms of help, but without any discernable success, or improvement in my condition.
I'm 39 in a few weeks time, and these illnesses have cost me family, friends, relationships, jobs and a career. Repeated attempts to manage my condition have been largely fruitless, and the overriding emotion (amongst a great many) is one of absolute exhaustion.
It was only in the last few years that I divulged my struggles publicly, and whilst supported by a great many, the stigma that is still attached to these pernicious illnesses remains an almost daily experience.
A case in point, was me commenting last week that I wasn't feeling great (due to the illnesses mentioned), only to be met with the following comment from a family member: "So how did you manage to go to the game on Wednesday then?"
It may seem a harmless comment to many, but it's really had a profound effect upon me, and left me feeling even more depressed and vulnerable than I already was.
I just don't know where to go from here in terms of help or recovery.
Firstly I'd like to say I'm fortunate enough not to have suffered from depression but have been directly involved with it in the past.
I occasionally pop in here to read what's going on because it pleases me to think that those suffering have this thread for mutual support. I applaud all of you for talking openly about a subject that still carries stigma with it. Attitudes seem to be changing slowly and I put that down to people being brave enough to talk openly in public like a lot of you guys do on here.
One thing that has struck me about those sharing their experiences on here is that everyone without exception, shows great communication skills and above average intelligence. It's got me thinking that maybe that is a factor that plays a role in this disease? It would interest me to hear some of your thoughts on that theory.
I'm not sure that those factors play any part. Depression and anxiety tend not to discriminate along those lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I'd suggest, though, that those who post here are confident in their ability to communicate, and feel secure enough to do so. But I'd also expect that there are many others, with similar experiences, who don't post because they feel they "can't" or "shouldn't". This thread is, of course, as much for them as it is for those who do post.
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I completed a first aid course in mental health last week, giving me some insights into depression and anxiety that I didn't have before and I certainly feel I learned at lot at helping people who are in absolute crisis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I absolutely do think people of a higher intelligence are more prone to bouts of depression and anxiety - I work in Higher Education as a lecturer at both a Scottish and American university and I encounter a substantial amount of people that suffer from depression or anxiety - part of that is the pressure of the environment, part of that is the type of person that's attracted to advanced study or a career in such a sector. The pressure is phenomenal, but those that I've encountered who I would put into your category of "above average intelligence" definitely over-analyse, self-critique and replay situations (especially negative ones), and it often reinforces an already installed idea of low personal worth.
However, it really can impact people of all education levels or backgrounds - I just wonder if perhaps those who fit your category are better placed to rationalise the problem and use their voice and experience to try and break the cycle for others?
Its anxiety that kicks my ass, I wake up at 3 or 4 then have a full on panic attack. I have now started to get out of bed and do something but it is exhausting. I describe it like the Dr Who intro years ago, so much stuff coming at me. The following depression is horrible but I can manage it better then the panic attacks
Hey Chorley Hibee. It takes a lot of strength to talk about this stuff so well done for putting your struggle out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee
I hope you’re managing to get through this dark, miserable time of the year, and that your birthday goes/or went ok. Sorry that you had an insensitive response from your family- folk just don’t understand and don’t realise the impact of their words.
What you’re describing must ring true with most people who contribute to this thread. The mental and physical exhaustion, and the effect this has on your life, relationships and jobs etc. So, as little use as it might be for me to say it, you’re not alone.
From what you’ve described it sounds like you’ve tried various methods to help fix the problem. I suppose the cause is different for everyone, and so are the ways of dealing with it.
The important thing to remember is that you CAN get through it and things will get better.
It’s not ‘you’ that’s causing this, it’s the fact that your brain, body or circumstances are working against you at the moment. And they can all be fixed.
There is help available, whether it’s medication, therapy, books or help groups.
I suppose all we can do is keep asking and eventually we’ll find something that works. As others have suggested, your GP can hopefully help guide you in the right direction. If you’ve already tried that, maybe keep chatting here and someone will give you some good ideas.
I hope that wasn’t too patronising. All the best mate. Feel free to PM
Really sorry to read of your past struggles, CH. It sounds as though over a protracted period you have tried many possible treatments for your depression. I wonder if you would be happy to share some of the things you have tried and relate what, if anything, helped you even just a little?
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Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee
3 years ago I started suffering from health anxiety,it all started after having a sickness bug for a few days and didn’t seems to sort itself out properly in a few weeks which got my mind into a bit of a panic it was something more serious.
I had many tests including CT scans which came back clear but nothing make the anxiety disappear I just didn’t feel right. The doctors decided that since they couldn’t find anything it was all in my head so stress and anxiety were the problems so I was put on various meds which didn’t help and I could deal with the side effects so I always came off them.
I’ve gone the last 3 years feeling crap constantly with various aches and pains in my upper body usually mid back neck and shoulders which I’ve struggled to deal with mentally.
So fast forward to now and I feel great physically and mentally so what’s changed....? I’ve had my gallbladder removed!
I was told during the tests that I had a gallstone but as I was not getting the general gallbladder symptoms it was dismissed as an issue. This year I started to get a little bit of pain under my right rib nothing bad but uncomfortable at times usually after eating so went back to get it checked out turns out my gallbladder had basically packed in so it had to come out.
The difference was almost instant after waking up from my op first time I stood up all the upper body pain had virtually disappeared and I’ve gone from strength to strength since turned out air was pushing into my stomach lining and liver and also interfering with nerves.
Can’t believe what a relief it is the surgeon said it can have lots of odd symptoms but usually alongside the regular ones which I didn’t have.
Good luck to everyone suffering mental health it’s certainly had a huge impact on me the past few years I guess I’m lucky mines has been an easy if a little unusual fix.
Very happy for you and thanks for sharing. This may well help anyone looking in. All advice on this thread is greatly appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by patch1875
I have recently come out of a very dark few months and although i am feeling ok now i know there will be tough times ahead. Hope you keep happy 👍
I suffer from ptsd depression and anxiety. so six weeks ago today my life got turned upside down and inside out. I lost my job home and family got arrested and charged due to malicious family members. Ended up in temporary homeless accommodation. Just moved into a permanent address on Tuesday. But yet because I cant live or see the two rocks in my life ( ex and daughter)' I can honestly say that this is the lowest I have been. Last thursday should and would have been my last day in this earth but for the intervention of my ex reaching out to some old army buddies. What should be a turning point and a fresh start I cry at least three times a day. Yet every day I wake up optimistic that this day will be better than yesterday.
Really sorry to hear that pal. Make sure you keep in touch with your army friends as they will understand. You may have already but see a GP for further referrals. Wishing you all the bestQuote:
Originally Posted by pontius pilate
Thank you for sharing with us here, PP, I'm so glad you felt able to. I am sure that many here, including myself, seek to help and support you through the difficult time you're having and like me, feel sad at the pain you're going through. It's been my experience that each and every person that posts on this thread cares for all here, very much including you. I do hope that you find it in yourself to keep talking to us now that have taken the step to share your feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by pontius pilate
So much has happened in your life recently it seems and I'm sure you've been left reeling to say the least. It's completely understandable the way you feel. I hope that you continue to engage with your old buddies and use the support they offer their old mate. If you feel able, make sure and let them know the kind of support your need, simply time with them or whatever. That would please them I'm certain. Please don't underestimate the kind help of the Samaritans should you feel in crisis at any point. They are there to help you, me and all. Please also engage with your GP and use that support too.
Good luck and take care buddy. Keep talking to us.
Stu
https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-ca...you/contact-us
I was diagnosed with OCD aged eleven; it's something which often appears in early adolescence. I was always a sensitive kid but it developed into a morbidity of obsessive-compulsive thoughts and behaviours, along with comorbidities of social anxiety (often manifested with extreme blushing) and trichtotillomania, which is compulsive hair pulling. All are anxiety disorders.
I became fixated on narrow interests and tasks which I felt I had to complete, otherwise I feared something terrible would happen. At one stage I developed a mania for crossword puzzles, for example. I had an urge deconstruct everything I was doing in my mind and explain it in a step-by-step process. I wrote lists for everything. It quickly drives you mad.
My parents took me to the doctor then a child psychologist who diagnosed it. I considered too young for medication but had CBT therapy with the psychologist, which helped. Stressful periods tend to bring it on even now, but I can still get help if I need it, including periods of SSRI medication. I think growing into adulthood helped alleviate a lot of the symptoms naturally. Most kids go through a difficult teenage phase; a minority will develop into medical issues, and I think I was vulnerable to a more intense experience of that. It could also be partly genetic: my dad has social anxiety. Mine is much better now, as is the blushing and hair pulling.
The important thing is to seek help, no matter what age you are or what the conditions is. If something doesn't feel right, don't be embarrassed to see your doctor - that's why they are there.
How are you doing, pal? You've been to hell and back.Quote:
Originally Posted by pontius pilate
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Surviving bud cheers. Just got some news tonight that has set me back. Ive spoken to the person and been asked to.trust them to make the correct decision which im sure they will. Thanks for asking palQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I really hope all it works out for you. We don't appreciate how difficult life is for a lot of people, until we too find ourselves in a crisis. I hope you have support around you; it's vital to have that. It's especially important to have people around you at this time of year.Quote:
Originally Posted by pontius pilate
You sound like a very brave man. To live through what you have and be here to share your experiences with us is a teatament to that. Forgive my lack of understanding of your individual situation. Perhaps you have already tried contacting them, but if not it may be worth a go.Quote:
Originally Posted by pontius pilate
https://www.thevetsproject.com
I have heard very positive things about them and how they can support ex service personel, often by linking them in with other people who can understand some of what you may have been through.
You don't know me, I don't know you, but if you ever need someone to chat to please drop me a line. A problem shared is a problem halved, or so they say.
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Originally Posted by beensaidbefore
Folks thank you all its very humbling to know there is strangers out there who care. Quick update my ex and daughter are back in my life although cautious at least I will see them both on xmas day for a.bit. I have a xmas lunch with other veterans today. It also looks like the trust paid off and the correct decision was made. I do have an esa assessment today at 9 but what will be will be. A good day and like a I said every day I start with an optimistic view of the world.
GGTTH
It's great to hear you have some good news. Where there's life there's hope. Those small steps add up :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by pontius pilate
I work as a coach/teacher/speaker helping folk have a better relationship with thoughts and emotions. I’m not really teaching again till the end of the month & would like to help anyone that would like a bit of support. So if you want a chat with no cost,just get in touch on my facebook john g coaching page ........As i say, not looking for business just offering an ear if you want it
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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
You're a good un mate.
What a nice offer. 👍🏼Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalianwanda
There’s always something that restores your faith in human nature.
How’s things been since then mate? Hope things are going as well as they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by pontius pilate
Lovely touch, mate :top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalianwanda