Scottish Independence

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

It should oppose. A referendum is the only way to secure Independence. There are no short cuts.


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Have they said it wouldn't lead to a referendum, because as you say it must.

I like that Alba are putting their focus on independence, I feel its very much just one of many things the SNP are focused on.

Greens barely focus on independence which is understandable as the planet is an important topic, plus polling shows their voters are mixed on independence

There is space for a second vote purely independence party. Why oh why did they let Salmond front it with his baggage

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Will SNP appose this or work in tandem, puts them in a difficult position

https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/...70781903045057

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NEW: Alba Party's
@AshReganALBA
plans to introduce a referendum Bill in Holyrood- on "whether the powers of the Scottish Parliament should be extended to include the power to legislate for & negotiate independence" says it could be held exactly 10 years after 2014 poll

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appose
/əˈpəʊz/
verbTECHNICAL
place (something) side by side with or close to something else.
"the specimen was apposed to X-ray film"

That will be all under one banner finished, what a stupid thing to post if your trying to be a serious political force

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0...371f30c3ec358d

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

That will be all under one banner finished, what a stupid thing to post if your trying to be a serious political force

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0...371f30c3ec358d

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Yes, it's distasteful and will rightly disgust many people. But the end? Not too sure about that. In another part of these islands we had groups striving for independence who would happily blow up and kill men women and children for decades to further their cause, I doubt that a few idiots spouting bile is going to derail the movement.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Yes, it's distasteful and will rightly disgust many people. But the end? Not too sure about that. In another part of these islands we had groups striving for independence who would happily blow up and kill men women and children for decades to further their cause, I doubt that a few idiots spouting bile is going to derail the movement.

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It's no going to touch the independence movement in anyway obviously. But as I say it'll be the end for AUOB being taken serious, Pete Wishart SNP MP has just said the same.

AUOB sadly lost the plot a couple of years or so ago. Firmly got behind Alba and wings and for that their marches lost a whole heap of attendees including myself.

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottis...der-reform-law

Court of session uphold the UK government veto on Scottish legislation.

So the question is, what is the Scottish Parliament for?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/scottis...der-reform-law

Court of session uphold the UK government veto on Scottish legislation.

So the question is, what is the Scottish Parliament for?

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The things that are devolved and don't effect uk law. Scot gov knew this but wanted a battle, but it's just a second court defeat in a week with our cash

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

The things that are devolved and don't effect uk law. Scot gov knew this but wanted a battle, but it's just a second court defeat in a week with our cash

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Be nice if both our govts stopped running to court every two minutes and concentrated on the job.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Be nice if both our govts stopped running to court every two minutes and concentrated on the job.


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Tories are wanting to not have to abide by the rule of law unfortunately

Well, things are beginning to get a little heated.

Tonight we have an unelected Tory Lord - not even an MP - telling Scotland's elected FM what he can and can't do.
And of course the lying Tory Lord is being supported by the lying Tory MSPs.

All getting a little bit tense ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBAmD7vW...g&name=900x900

And here's how it's being reported by our impartial BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-67675005

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Foreign Secretary David Cameron has threatened to withdraw co-operation with Scottish ministers after Humza Yousaf met with Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

The first minister met the Turkish president at COP28 without a UK official present, which Lord Cameron said was a breach of protocol.

It comes amid ongoing tensions between Scotland and the UK government over meetings with foreign officials.

A spokesperson for Mr Yousaf said a UK official was invited to the meeting.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

The things that are devolved and don't effect uk law. Scot gov knew this but wanted a battle, but it's just a second court defeat in a week with our cash

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This was agreed across the house though wasn’t it. Uk gov playing politics big time imo. Passing the internal bill when no one noticed to allow them to interfere in devolution was an indication of this.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

This was agreed across the house though wasn’t it. Uk gov playing politics big time imo. Passing the internal bill when no one noticed to allow them to interfere in devolution was an indication of this.

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If the internal markets bill was passed and nobody noticed you have got to ask what the 40 plus SNP Westminster mp’s we’re doing all day down there.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

If the internal markets bill was passed and nobody noticed you have got to ask what the 40 plus SNP Westminster mp’s we’re doing all day down there.

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It was noticed, but there was nothing they could do about it. But then I expect you're fully aware of that.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

If the internal markets bill was passed and nobody noticed you have got to ask what the 40 plus SNP Westminster mp’s we’re doing all day down there.

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That’s right. If they had voted against it we could have stopped it.


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Originally Posted by grunt

And here's how it's being reported by our impartial BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-67675005

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As more comes out, turns out the Turkish changed the meeting at the last minute. As for the other alleged meetings, is Humza Yousaf supposed to ignore everyone he bumps into at these international events??

People are rightly saying Erdoğan is a complete ****bag who has constantly committed genocide on the Kurds. This is true but its ridiculous for tories to be using it against SNP as Sunak has met Erdoğan and I'm sure Starmer would too.

I'm of the opinion that if you don't engage with people you disagree with they're never going to change their mind. They might never change their mind anyway but at least you've tried.

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Originally Posted by Jack

I'm of the opinion that if you don't engage with people you disagree with they're never going to change their mind. They might never change their mind anyway but at least you've tried.

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Sometimes you don’t change their mind but come to an accommodation anyway.


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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

As more comes out, turns out the Turkish changed the meeting at the last minute. As for the other alleged meetings, is Humza Yousaf supposed to ignore everyone he bumps into at these international events??

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The whole thing is a joke. Scotland's elected representatives requiring chaperones from a government it firmly rejected, makes an absolute mockery of our system. Our devolution resembles more the biological sense of the word than the political.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

The whole thing is a joke. Scotland's elected representatives requiring chaperones from a government it firmly rejected, makes an absolute mockery of our system. Our devolution resembles more the biological sense of the word than the political.

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Foreign policy is not part of the devolved Scottish Government remit as per the devolution settlement.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Foreign policy is not part of the devolved Scottish Government remit as per the devolution settlement.

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Other devolved parts of the UK are allowed to pitch for trade abroad? Why not Scotland?


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Other devolved parts of the UK are allowed to pitch for trade abroad? Why not Scotland?


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Don't think it was trade it was foreign policy he said he discussed. I think there should be government representatives or you get situations like when Boris met Medvedev without chaperone.

Scottish public voted against full independence, this would have been moot if they didn't want the status quo

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Other devolved parts of the UK are allowed to pitch for trade abroad? Why not Scotland?


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Other something I've always wondered... Welsh, NI, London even Yorkshire politicians head over to New York etc but is the Scottish politicians that get the slapped wrists.

In a similar vein, the Scottish deposit return scheme was chucked on the bonfire because the Westminster government said manufacturers would have to link their barcodes/ or have dual labelling to allow it to happen.
Funnily enough to enable the latest version of the NI protocol to work re no North Sea border checks for produce destined solely for domestic use within NI requires exactly that! (Dual labelling)

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Don't think it was trade it was foreign policy he said he discussed. I think there should be government representatives or you get situations like when Boris met Medvedev without chaperone.

Scottish public voted against full independence, this would have been moot if they didn't want the status quo

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Was it not in context of the COP meetings?
Some of the Scottish net zero commitments are separate to Westminster's?
(I do get your general point though)

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Was it not in context of the COP meetings?
Some of the Scottish net zero commitments are separate to Westminster's?
(I do get your general point though)

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Humza said in particular they talked about Israel-Hamas in this meeting. Humza was in UAE for COP though.

I wouldn't have bothered if I was him it turned out to be a glorified photoshoot. UAE said they don't believe in climate change and no meaningful decisions were made, infuriating

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Humza said in particular they talked about Israel-Hamas in this meeting. Humza was in UAE for COP though.

I wouldn't have bothered if I was him it turned out to be a glorified photoshoot. UAE said they don't believe in climate change and no meaningful decisions were made, infuriating

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Aye , feels like a waste of everyone's time really....

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Other devolved parts of the UK are allowed to pitch for trade abroad? Why not Scotland?


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They know they can do what they want and around half of Scotland will rush to defend it staunchly.

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Originally Posted by degenerated

They know they can do what they want and around half of Scotland will rush to defend it staunchly.

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Yep how depressing