This will cheer you up if you haven't seen it yet. Makes me cry with laughter every time. SUPERB COMEDY GENIUS!!! :not worth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x_59EjZOs :greengrin :greengrin :greengrin
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This will cheer you up if you haven't seen it yet. Makes me cry with laughter every time. SUPERB COMEDY GENIUS!!! :not worth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x_59EjZOs :greengrin :greengrin :greengrin
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:cb Totally forgot about that, and seemingly so did they!!! :faf:
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A black day for Whyte
http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/102520-r...-roofing-bill/
It may well be your fave Them track, but it is of course an original song by the one and only Bob Dylan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lungo--Drom
Joint administrator Paul Clark previously stated a company voluntary arrangement (CVA) proposal funded by the consortium would be put to creditors on Monday, but a spokesman for Duff and Phelps confirmed that the offer would not be sent out until later in the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
That be another deadline missed lmao
Aye and 'The vagabond who’s rapping at your door' is probably Charles Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lungo--Drom
Bob Dylan can certainly predict events. His 1965 song Maggie's Farm spelled out the future under Thatcher fifteen years later!
By Alasdair Lamont
BBC Scotland
Rangers could start next season as a new company in the Scottish Premier League without incurring any sanctions - such as a points deduction or fine.
A vote will take place next week to decide what should happen to clubs who come out of administration in this way as "a new company".
Fans of other clubs have been demanding tough sanctions.
But SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster said: "Newcos have been allowed within UK football for many years."
Rangers hope to exit administration via a Company Voluntary Arrangement under the consortium led by Charles Green.
But the former Sheffield United chief executive and his group may seek a "newco" route if such a proposal is rejected by creditors.
"Newco is typically the way businesses in general escape from administration," Doncaster told BBC Scotland.
"It's far more common than a CVA.
"So I am not entirely sure why a distinction is made between the two routes out of administration."
By definition, though, creditors must agree for a CVA to be successful, whereas a newco gives them no say.
SPL clubs will meet at Hampden Park on 30 May to debate new financial fair play rules, having twice delayed voting on the proposals.
Among the proposals on the table to deal with a newco are 10-point deductions over two seasons and 75% reductions in SPL revenue over three seasons.
A minimum of eight clubs must vote in favour of the point deductions for that resolution to be carried, while 11 votes are required for the imposition of the financial penalty.
If approved, the rule changes will take effect immediately but will not be retrospective.
& the PR campaign to ensure they enter next season unscathed in terms of sanctions gathers momentum :rolleyes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18148989
And here's Alex Thomsons latestQuote:
Originally Posted by jonty
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...y-rangers/1593
Every time I see a picture of that ****er I think how much I'd like tae knock that imbecilic grin of his ****in' stupid smug face with a baseball bat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
Some people on kerrydale street thinking that's some kind of wind up but Thomson saying that the guy did show documents...Quote:
Originally Posted by jonty
Bizarre, I just want them to die quickly - that Doncaster guy gives me the creeps, as do the Huns
The latest Thomo blog definitely lending credence to the theory that this is all a stitch up, with Green, D&P, Whyte and maybe even Murray in on it from the start.
Surely the creditors should be looking to take action here? If D&P ignored a potentially much larger bid.
How many of them are granted immediate access to the top leagues???Quote:
Originally Posted by leither#1
Doncaster and the rest of the SPL can go **** themselves :agree:
doncaster is a 5-star dickhead!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by the story so far...
He's in a league of his own with 10 stars, that *******Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
There's supposed to be quite a bit of new scandal revealed in the BBC documentary on Wednesday including phone hacking...
If there is to be no difference in sanctions for exiting admin. by a CVA or a New CLUB ( to hell with this NewCo name, its a new football club, so lets all start calling a spade a shovel ) what is the point in offering the creditors anything at all.
Offer just enough to cover D and P's fees and change for the bus fare and bye, bye to the toxic creditors, and hello shiny new debt free club with millions to spend on a new squad ( I know that won't happen because of the SFA sanctions ) but as far as Doncaster is concerned it would all be fine.
That situation would leave every other football club in Scotland vulnerable to having their creditors calling in loans and overdrafts and being forced to pay for supplies and services up front. Any kind of credit or financial planning would be history in Scottish Football just because Doncaster wants his bonus/bung for making sure there is a "strong new club called Rangers " in the SPL next season.
Doncaster is a grade A prick. Scottish football is finished if a newco enters the SPL with no sanctions.
Doncaster can simply go and **** himself :aok:
Really haven't been following this as much as I should have been. Is there anyone feeling in-the-know enough to give me a nice, rounded, succinct timeline of the events since the administration began? Key events, important things to note, likely outcomes etc. Would be a nice wee checkpoint, if you will, to people who haven't been paying enough attention to keep up :cb
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Originally Posted by greenginger
Doncaster must live in a parrallell dimension. Its frightening that this man graduated university and it's embarassing that he is chief executive of the SPL. Why didnt Woolworth's consult him for advice?
There have been enough whispers on the net that suggest Wednesday's BBC doc on Rangers may just take this to a whole new level.....
:agree: exactly what I thought...actually nothing new in that (he said this last week) but now the CF is out the way is back to easing rangers back in any old way....there is no explination as to how or why such a 'free' return would happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
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Originally Posted by greenginger
I they don't make the correct decision and boot them out, this could easily be the end of professional football in Scotland as we know it. The question should be one club, or all clubs??
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Originally Posted by erskine-hibby
If this happens then lines of credit will stop overnight, football clubs will be put into the same category as the Irish housing market by all the major banks that have SPL account holders. In essence I do not think that you can over estimate the effect that this would have.
Is Neil Doncaster fit to run the SPL?
He isnae fit tae run the tombola at a village fairQuote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
If that Newco baloney goes through then we needn't bother getting any new players.
All the Scottish clubs should just shut up shop and call it a day ......... Endsville.
ps Doesn't Doncaster have the kind of face you would never tire smacking?
He looks like a spitting image puppet before he's even been caricaturedQuote:
Originally Posted by Mainboy19
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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
here, gie him one fae me anaw
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WEoFWdHBr7...our-choice.jpg
Didn't Alex Thomson suggest Lloyds have sent letters to every SPL club?Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
The rush to 'save' Rangers without stopping to think just what that will entail will likely doom the game in this country.
Neil Doncaster - remember the name because he's gonna be the guy who puts the final nail in the coffin of Scottish football.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18148989
Completely ignores any and all issue of sporting integrity while conveniently forgetting that under their own articles of association the UEFA Standard License *cannot* be transferred between different legal entities. Deal is clearly being done behind the scenes ready to be unveiled whenever they say the vote is taking place.
Rangers will be kept happy, TV will be kept happy, other clubs will be bought off with a mixture of increased share of TV money, SPL money and token penalties for a newco but rest assured he's not coming out with this for a good of his health. Complete cock of a man and after that frankly shameful 'performance' by the carefree ****s that took to the field in our shirts on Sat, at present I am completely and utterly scunnered with Scottish football. At present I don't care if I never see another game to be honest. I know that'll pass but at the moment I just feel sick about the lot of it... :grr::rules::brickwall
the mans a clown, thats all that can be said about him, he has no idea of the financial implications if he allows this to go ahead with boycotts of the scottish game, we will c 40 odd clubs die to keep rangers and celtic happy, he's gonna do himself out of his job!!!! coz there will be no league left to run!!
There's more still to come on this and Doncaster will be powerless...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs On Tour
Don't worry yet
Do you know it took 6 months to appoint Doncaster from an International field ,by far the best candidate ,
we are in good hands , we couldn't do better ,Scottish Footballs man to take us forward ,we are on a winner with this guy ,
the futures bright ,...pash......
Oh !!!! wait to you find out who appointed him , thats another cracker
Doncaster appointed new SPL chief
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...caster_512.jpg
Doncaster ready for SPL learning curve
The Scottish Premier League has appointed Neil Doncaster as its new chief executive.The 39-year-old, who served as Norwich City chief executive until May, will work alongside chairman Lex Gold, who has plans to retire.
Englishman Doncaster has also sat on the boards of both the Football Association and Football League.
"I've worked in football for 15 years and I'm excited about playing a part in developing the Scottish game," he said.
"The SPL already has excellent standing in European football, but like all football organisations it faces many complex issues and challenges.
"I am looking forward to working hard with the board, our member clubs, our partners and the SPL staff to continue to improve our competition and push Scottish football forward." :fibber:
Gold, Hibernian chairman Rod Petrie and Rangers chief executive Martin Bain formed the SPL sub-committee that carried out the recruitment process over the past six months.
The SPL chairman said: "We have been engaged in a detailed recruitment process for some time now. The role attracted international interest.
"Neil was the unanimous choice of those involved in the process. He has had excellent experience in club football with Norwich City and with his involvement with the FA and the Football League.
"That experience will hold him in good stead to lead the SPL team and deal with the challenges that lie ahead.":rolleyes:
Lol, another Petrie appointment ;)
Doncaster has clearly been sent out to gage opinion so at the risk of repeating myself, if Rangers are back in the SPL next season then I will never be back.
There is only one thing that would get me back would be a meaningful change in the form of a salary cap that brought about genuine sporting integrity.
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Again where would you pitch the salary cap? Would it be at a level to suit Celtic, us or Stranraer? It could be argued if you wanted a genuinely even field the cap would have to be affordable to all the clubs in the Scottish Leagues.
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Conspiracy theories how about , the final bit in the jigsaw could it be conceivable that Doncaster is in there to , a very sympathetic ear ,
he seems to be throwing a lot of weight behind Rangers an inside man so to speak.
How can it be justified that rangers will be allowed to stay in the spl if they start a new company yet livingston were relegated to the third division just for starting the process of liquidating the club???
Corrupt to the bloody core and the laughing stock of world football
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Any salary cap has to be on an agreed percentage of turnover and how it is spent would have to be up to individual clubs.
The UEFA Financial Fair Play rules coming into force were meant to enforce a wage cap of sorts but will be totally useless if Hearts are allowed to get away with their Accountancy scam.
£ 8 million of freshly laundered money from a Panama Offshore company added to the Yams profit and loss account and hey-presto a massive loss is a profit and they " Self-Certify " they are fully UEFA compliant. Craig Thomson's twin brother ( he actually has a twin named Alan which is scary in itself ) or some other jobsworth at the SFA ticks the boxes and licenses are issued.
A percentage of turnover, or the Championship style loss / investment caps would work.Quote:
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It seems once again we have a case of deja vue. The required dis-information is being spun , this time by Donkey Doncaster. As many people have said, if Rangers are allowed back into the SPL without any sanctions, then the whole game's a bogey.
Ipso facto, I've got better things to do with my hard earned than perpetuate what is essentially a fraud.
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I went through that initially.............then realised it would hurt my team more than those goat sh**ging eejits .
So.........if it happens, I'll just boycott Huns games,
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Originally Posted by Sudds_1
And, taking a leaf out of the Huns book, boycott THEIR sponsors ! :greengrin and let their sponsors know it.
MANCHESTER businessman Mike McDonald is to pull out of Charles Green’s Rangers takeover because a ban on transfers has scuppered his plans to make millions onAlly McCoist’s summer signing targets.
McDonald last night confirmed he will not now help fund the buyout unless Green can somehow overturn the SFA’s 12-month embargo.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23868604/
:cb
I'm way ahead on that one, I started my boycott of Tennent's lager about thirty years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Mind you, that's more to do with it being gassed-up, watered-down catspee than anything to do with Rangers.
Apologies if this has been posted
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thoms...y-rangers/1593
I wonder if he might be interested in Hibs instead. :cb
My mate calls it fizzy pissQuote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
TBH I'm not sure he is any better for them than Green.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitlochry hibee
Apparently the registered office of one of his companies is a suburban house in Manchester somewhere...
Latest from RTC - still one of the best blogs on the topic
http://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com/...ter-dooms-spl/
I'm sure its all perfectly leagal and within football rules :rolleyes: but it does sound mighty like the stuff that went on with agents owning Tevez...with an individual 'owning' wholly of partly a player the pressure is then there to move them on for profit asap...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Alf R
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I will just boycott Leagues containing a Newco Huns side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudds_1
#stjohnstone chairman Steve Brown says he WOUDLN'T vote for a newco Rangers to be admitted into the SPL sanction free
Coupled with Doncaster's pish yesterday, you've got to wonder if the SPL strategy is now:Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
- fly a kite for New Huns with no sanctions, cue outrage
- reintroduce the sanctions (but still allow New Huns), attempt to seem tough?
Spinning it both ways. *****. :rolleyes:
Interesting that player beneficiaries are now being named. I wonder how Mr. Nerlinger is taking to being outed, whether he will take any action and whether he has a letter of comfort from der hun that he will in no way be liable for any tax on this payment.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Aye but he will still drop his knickers to allow the cheats in.
Read this latest one today . While I agree with the author and the tone when he first set out his blog he said and I quote "However, this blog will endeavour to be dispassionate and factual" looks like the first one went out the window some time ago. My point is his interest is as a Celtic fan first and a taxpayer second . Nothing wrong with that but don't pretend it is the other way round when clearly it is not .Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
As this farce reaches its conclusion, with the powers at be determined to get Rangers through this with as little, if any punishments whatsoever, I wouldn't blame him / her for being increasingly angry and frustrated at both the situation, plus the continued wilful ignorance in the main stream media and that rather than welcome the blogs efforts to find the truth, he / she probably gets a never ending torrent abuse from moron Rangers fans.Quote:
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by f*** petrie can pick um eh jeeeeezus
I he's a tremendous record at the important appointments.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
FFS, the oldest political trick in the book.
i.e. Pre-budget the goverment leaks that petrol is going up 20p a gallon - result: outrage
Come the budget, petrol goes up 10p a gallon - result : the populus say "Phew, that's not so bad"
Change the above to the RFC situation
End of 2011-12 season - Let it out that Rangers Newco can come into SPL with no sanctions - result : outrage
Before start of 2012-13 season - Announce Rangers Newco accepted into SPL with some sanctions - result : "Well, I suppose that's okay, better than no sanctions"
Dust hands, job done.
Rangers are happy ....... and so are the rest of their SPL vassals
Here they are -> :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:
Me too :agree: If this happens then I will cease to recognise the Huns as a team and will not go to any match at ER that the fraudulent entity takes part in.
I never went to the 'big hoose' anyway, I'd need so much garlic in my pockets I wouldn't fit through the turnstiles :lolrangers:
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I agree, the only thing that would get me back is the guarantee of a level playing field. I'm no being taken for a mug anymore.:bitchy:
ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I always knew the SPL was incompetent and struggled to make rational decisions but after hearing this I genuinely believe they are corrupt.
I will boycott castle grayskul but it won't make much difference as I've only been twice and hated giving those bigoted cheating ****bags money both times.
Boycotting Huns games at ER doesn't seem to make much sense as it ultimately only hurts hibs although unfortunately it seems necessary to get the point across. Assuming there are others, let's see how that affects the revenue from rangers staying in the SPL.
Neil Doncaster - you are a corrupt ****ing idiot and are ruining our game. You have no understanding of sporting integrity and have no concept of what is the right thing to do. You're totally incompetent and utterly stupid. Now **** off and lets have someone with honesty and common sense, two qualities that should be prerequisits for any job you clearly do not have. ****er.
Maybe it would have been better (not financially of course) to have been relegated.Quote:
Originally Posted by H18SVG
At least we would be playing against bona fide teams, some who may have been naughty it the past but took their punishment like men..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...ign=sportsound
Take your nose out doncasters ass Mr Johnston
what a ****in' ****er, what hope is there for Scottish fitba with bellends like him and donkeycaster involved in the game. I'd be ****in' raging if the chairman of my club came out with stuff like that. I'd be interested tae ken what the killie fans think of this tool bending over for the stickies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
"Also, some people in football have overlooked the fact that Rangers were penalised 10 points, the maximum penalty under SPL rules, which effectively ended their challenge for the league title."
Brilliant! :faf::faf::faf:
Mind you, for years of cheating, fraud & the recent intimidation, the ten point penalty does seem a bit on the hefty side when you think of it.
Ahh here we go...
You'd never have thought that both the SPL and an indebted club would bend over backwards for Rangers.
Anyone for sporting integrity? :rolleyes:
We need the SPL and SFA to understand the consequences if they allow Newco Rangers back into the top league etc.
Not one with the usual emotive, partisan sentiments, but an accurate and politically weighty statement that can gather support across Scotland and influence the decision makers.
Now, we've got loads of intelligent members on hibs.net so who'll take this on?
It needs to be done quickly though.
Admins: Please allow this to run as a separate thread for a while. If it's merged with the big thread, it will be lost and won't happen and I really do believe we need it.
They obviously do a good job of hiding themselves then :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
All joking aside I totally agree, the petitions done so far have been blatantly bias and would not be taken seriously by any authorities.
Edit - They did what they set out to do though and got our opinions heard though, I may add.
I would offer to do it but I'm no good at writing and I hate those Hun b*******. there is no way I could be objective.
Maybe if we could get an email for Neil Doncaster, we could send him emails telling him where to shove his "CVA and Newco are the same" idea.
I think what we need to aim towards is getting national attention. Focusing this matter within hibs.net will, unfortunately, not grasp enough attention. In saying that, starting off a petition here and shipping it off to other forums (Pie and bovril must be targetted for example) wouldn't be a bad idea.
The best way to go about this is to use this thread to raise a number of points to show the disgust towards the notion of a newco being granted immediate submission to the SPL.
Formerly punished clubs should be massively involved in this, Livingston, Dundee, Motherwell, and (although more problematic) Gretna. The fans of these clubs and any "higher uppers" should have a say in this matter.
If possible, clubs from England that have suffered from the same punishments could be contacted purely for the fans perspective in order to show a bit of pressure.
All the points raised should then be drafted into a petition of some sort and shipped off to the other forums.
One pivotal point I'd raise before any of this is started is that it is very VERY rare for a petition to kick off without some form of infuential 'named' backing. By which I mean someone with experience in Scottish football and a well respected relatively big name.
I also think that the possiblity of a Scottish football boycott should a newco be entered would turn a few heads.
Just to get the ball rolling :greengrin
This may be a rediculous statement, so ill apologise now! A petition sounds like a great idea and could work, and i beleive you would have to have some sort of 'football celebrity', a head which would be noticed and gather media attention. Rod seems to want 'sporting integrity' is he the man to kick start this? Or is that rediculous as he would put hibs under scrutiny?
It would be great if the hibs support were to get together and go knocking on rods door asking him to put our views across. Unfortunately this is not the best timing with the radical changes that MUST happen at hibs over the summer, and we come first, not rankgers!
My concern with the whole situation is that there are more clubs who haven't suffered the tougher sanctions, if you look here you can see that only 2 clubs have been demoted to the bottom division. there appear to be plenty of other cases to justify a points deduction etc... rather than the tougher sanctions we all want. The only positive is that they seem to be more stringent now than in previous years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adminis...sh_football%29
There are also examples in other countries of allowing newco's straight back in. For example Parma in 2004 were a mess and reformed. The Italian Football Authorities allowed them back into Serie A. I believe there were financial restrictions in place but haven't done any research into it so couldn't say.
Any approach needs to be reasoned, and possibly these decisions highlighted above have been negligent. Parma finished bottom of Serie A in their first season as a newco, does this mean they were out of their depth? Could this potentially happen to Rangers? Could we be ruining their youth players by exposing them to the SPL? What damage does this do to Scottish football and their standing in Europe? Why were Livingston/Gretna demoted and why was that the right decision? Why should the rules change now?
The talk of someone named leading a campaign makes sense, but awareness would have to be brought on various media such as the radio, tv, internet in the form of debates, blogs, tv/radio interviews. This probably should have been in motion months ago though, as it is with a decision probably very soon to come I think Doncaster and chums will be happy to have them back.
I think it is very clear from the various statements in the media by different Chairmen which clubs are worried that a loss of Rangers in the league will see their own team hurtle towards administration and those that are financially secure enough to uphold sporting integrity.Quote:
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Mr Johnston's club is clearly in the former category.:rolleyes:
Maybe Mr Johnston thinks it's best that the punishment be more lenient in case there's a wee slip-up in his own clubs' paperwork in the future.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
It's nigh on impossible to get an 'impartial' statement/petition as everyone doing it has an opinion. The main one done so far was about as consensual amongst non-Rangers fans as you can get and has effectively been ignored by the SPL/SFA, died a complete death and we're now in the farcical position where no-one that wasn't actually at the meeting is allowed to know what was discussed, despite the meeting apparently being in 'our names'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
I won't be letting anyone else speak for me. Hibs know how I feel. If I'm vehemently opposed to the eventual outcome, I'll do what I think is right.
if rangers are allowed back into the spl then there is only one route for hibs, and that is to resign.
**** boycotts, I don't want to be in there league, if they want the SPL so bad let them play in it on there own.
Another solicitor producing half-truths to cloud the issue - it's clearly a concerted campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
Johnson says (or gives the impression) that Rangers have been punished three times for going into administration - thay haven't and as a solicitor he must be fully aware of that, as must Doncaster who is also a solicitor by trade.
The only punishment Rangers have suffered for going into administration is the 10 point deduction and if they achieve a CVA they will not suffer any more punishment for that. The exclusion from Europe is for non-compliance with the financial reporting regulations - they would have suffered it whether or not they were in administration, and the fine and signing embargo were for supplying the SFA with false documents (arguably fraudulent) failing to pay taxes as they fell due and bringing the game into disrepute - again, nothing to do with administration.
The question of 'double contracts' is still to be considered and to my mind that is potentially the most serious misdemeanour yet since it could (and should) result in the voiding of all their achievements for the period it took place and their expulsion from both the SPL and SFA. In short, it is deliberate and premeditated fraud.
We must not let the mealy-mouthed authorities or the cowardly and spineless club chairmen/owners play these matters down or Scottish football will die.
Solicitors? Worse than f*****g accountants.
Two quotes from Mr Johnston's statement :-
1 "But there are legal differences and what people have to bear in mind is that a football club has always been viewed by the football authorities as being something separate from who owns the football club."
2 "You have got to be very careful not to come in too heavily with penalties and points deductions or financial penalties going forward which actually put people off investing in that club and trying to make it healthy," he said.
"After all, it's not the new owners who have done the damage, it is the previous owners."
IMO he's contradicting himself by saying first that the club is a continuing entity regardless of its owners then saying second that a club should be allowed to avoid responsibility for previous misdeeds by changing owners.
My concern about the future options for Rangers is not the difference in the settlement to the creditors, but that a Newco will be used to get out of sanctions for the behaviour of the club prior to entering administration. Punishments imposed so far are for actions during the current season. No charges regarding breaches of SPL rules in previous seasons have yet been put forward. A Newco should not be allowed to evade these.
I've thought also about proposed boycotts. My own decision is that I would not stop going to ER if I was certain that Hibs had voted in favour of sporting integrity. I shall not go to away games at the grounds of clubs who did not vote that way. I don't think I'll ever set foot in Rugby Park again.
I agree that there needs to be concerted pressure from fans to counteract the spin from Doncaster et al. I'm not sure a petition is the best way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
I've have thought there are two avenues fans could explore - firstly the FSA/Supporters Direct who have the resources and experience to lobby both football authorities and politicians as well as media function. I haven't heard anything from them about the Rangers situation - so maybe they need a bit of prodding (as it were).
The other place might be through the Tartan Army/Scotland supporters association - being representative of supporters of all Scottish football clubs - don't know how organised they are in reality - but they always seem to be able to wheel out a spokesperson or two when required.
I'm waiting on a model simulation to finish running on my laptop, so can't get on with work quite yet, so here's my drafted effort :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Dear sirs,
We, the undersigned, submit this petition to the Scottish Footballing Authorities in regard to the potential readmission of a NewCo Rangers FC into the SPL, with representative viewpoints from across the broad base of supporters of the 41 clubs in the professional Scottish setup.
The discussion of the fate of Rangers Football Club has been extensive since the club were placed into administration on February 14th, 2012. Now, as we move into this closed season period with the future of the club still in substantial doubt, we feel that the time has come to make our collective voices heard without prejudice or bias, to provide you, the decision makers, with the mindset of the wider community of Scottish Football fans.
In recent weeks, particularly since the takeover of Rangers by Charles Green, much of the discussion has started to focus on the likely fate of any NewCo Rangers and what impact such consequences could have on Scottish Football as a whole. We have been subjected to opinions from players, managers, owners, chairmen, media personalities and even politicians about how strong or weak Scottish Football would be without Glasgow Rangers. We have been informed that any TV deal would be null and void without Sky having the Old Firm games and we have been told that many sponsors would withdraw from the league should Rangers not remain within the SPL.
More recently, we have started to hear from many of you gentlemen within the halls of Hampden, indicating further that we need a strong Rangers. Mr Neil Doncaster has also recently indicated that any such NewCo may be allowed direct entry back into the SPL with no sanctions likely to be imposed, stating that "NewCos have been allowed within UK football for many years". Whilst the above is indeed true, we believe that no precedent has been set for allowing any club who exits a league structure via insolvency to enter back into the setup at the top level. Consider please for one moment if Rangers had been nearer the foot of the table upon entering administration and had been relegated to the SFL Division one based on points. Unlikely as this scenario seems, if it occurs in light of a young NewCo Rangers team playing in the SPL (owing to the imposed transfer embargo forcing the introduction of inexperienced youth players) after readmission, would the SPL take strides to ensure they were saved from relegation, "for the good of Scottish Football"? Such an action threatens to open a very large can of worms indeed.
To reintroduce any NewCo Rangers into the top level of the SPL would completely void any integrity in Scottish football and this sirs is worth much more than television deals, sponsorship and appeasing potential investors. Many supporters have considered the potentiality of a NewCo Rangers being readmitted to the league setup without sanctions being imposed and the widely held consensus is that if such an occurrence comes to pass regular attendance at games in Scotland would drop at an exponential level. In no other league setup worldwide has a football club ever gone into liquidation and been allowed to continue in the top division as a new company and having the SPL become the first would add further negative press to our already negatively perceived league.
We wish to be assured that we exist on a level playing field, where the rules are not established to preserve the existence of the few and that sporting integrity is something other than a media-derived buzzword which has been circulating since this saga began to unfold 4 months ago. We wish to see any NewCo Rangers being forced to reapply to the Scottish Football League at the lowest level (like any new entry before them) and working their way back up. We ask this in the interests of Scottish Football.
Yours,
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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...
I might alter that and send it as an email to the SPL actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
Not that they'll pay it any attention mind...
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Originally Posted by The Story So Far...
How about,
Dear Sirs,
Liquidate the barstewards
Yours
Far too polite. We need to get over the strength of feeling on this. Apart from that quite good.Quote:
Originally Posted by poolman
I think you're missing the main point, a Rangers newco is not Rangers, it's a new football club. Doncaster and Johnston are flat out lying, there is no such thing as a club entity separate from the company and never has been. Professional football clubs in Scotland are all single corporate entities.
It's not a readmission, it's a new admission.
Newcos have not been commonly allowed in UK football as a way of exiting administration. This is also a blatant lie. The only possible precedent is Leeds United who had an agreed CVA that was challenged by HMRC due to murky circumstances.
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We, the undersigned, reject the possibility that any new football club be directly admitted to the top tier of Scottish football, whether or not that new club has purchased any of the assets of a former member club.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballengeich
What I don't get is how those Charimen etc the teams that are supportive of the Huns coming back as a Newco can't see the bigger picture?..... My mate's a Killie fan and he's already said he's finished with them and surely loosing a season of away supporters coming to your ground CAN'T be made up for by a few Huns visits over the season???? :fuming:
The killer counter argument to Johnston's pish:
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"But there are legal differences and what people have to bear in mind is that a football club has always been viewed by the football authorities as being something separate from who owns the football club.
"So the club consists of its history and traditions, its stadium, its players, but most importantly its supporters.
Airdrie United play in the same stadium and colours as Airdrieonians did and in front of the same supporters. Why do the football authorities not regard them as the same club?
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You could add This is your copy, UEFA should receive theirs in the post tomorrow.
Because they don't enough moronic bigot fans to make a difference to anyones balance sheet...Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Dear Mr DoncasterQuote:
Originally Posted by hibs0666
I have been following your media releases concerning the Rangers (IA) debacle over the past few months with interest.
Your seeming intent to keep Rangers (IA) in the SPL contrary to all sporting and financial fair play will destroy professional football in the country.
Gonna no dae that?
Yours sincerely
:saltireflag
Scotland
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Originally Posted by The Wee Hibby
The effectiveness of a boycott would depend on the numbers willing to be consistently involved and the solidarity to sustain it. Knowing human nature that is not a foregone conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Alf R