He was trying to find something which rhymes with GBQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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He was trying to find something which rhymes with GBQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Please god, NOOOOOOOOOO
Damn, you got me. 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Probably. Having a baby meant she found out she had a heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
I engaged with you with you but you chose not to respond and give your thoughts. Preferring to get involved in the petty crap with the usual suspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
No opinion on today’s events (if you’ve now had a chance to read the details)? Would, genuinely, be interesting to hear a Conservatives views on today. What the implications are for the Conservative government. Why it looks like Ruth is on the verge of quitting. Are there potentially any long lasting ramifications of Boris’ actions etc etc
Some Brexit party has switched back to the Tories but I think that's more to do with Brexiters believing he's "one of their own".Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
No deal is probably the most likely form of Brexit now, but I think even with today's shenanigans he's still going to need to win a bigger majority to get it through. In a GE scenario I think Labour will have to include a firm commitment to a ref2 in their manifesto and I think if that's in place then, combined with the traditional FPTP big party squeeze, Lab will take a lot of support back off the Libs and Greens. So it'll be more of a straightforward Lab/Remain vs Tory/Leave contest. If Corbyn could be pushed aside I think that'd be a shoo in for L/R, but even with him around I optimistically think we'll at least get another hung parliament.
Ironic, from the man that calls other posters 'names' and then runs away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
We are all board now, happy to stick to adult conversations if you do, but you and a few others can't help yourselves.
Wonder who's going to be the next leader of the, Ruth Davidson party. 😂
I had her down to lead Better Together 2. Not sure who they'll go to now. Wee Jimmy Krankie (the real one) is an ardent Unionist, that would be worth it for lolz. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
According to the polls. Boris Johnson has the hard brexit vote, while the other 2/3rds of the UK electorate are severely dividedQuote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Not exactly a master stroke.
Jo Swinson has done far more for the hard brexit cause than Boris Johnson.
You mean "oink, oink"Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Now, answer the Modfather
Would never happen. Far more likely that shes a fully signed up member of the Union Bears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
I really hope this is the genuine Hugh grant twitter account.
You will not **** with my children’s future. You will not destroy the freedoms my grandfather fought two world wars to defend. **** off you over-promoted rubber bath toy. Britain is revolted by you and you little gang of masturbatory prefects.
We’ve heard that before.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
Now, just go away and stop pestering me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Remember this?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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Originally Posted by ronaldo7
what's fluffy "i'm going to quit this time, i really really mean it" doing nowadays ?
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Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Please God... Let it be so! ...I'll never ask you for another thing again! Ba' heidit narcissist! :greengrin
PS. Can't wait to use the term Poundshop Ruth Davidson for her successor! :faf:
I doubt you'll get any answers from J310. He's good at asking questions but almost always avoids answering them.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
I actually think he may have blocked me but I could be wrong?
PS - IMO Boris must be a big TSC fan 'same old wealth in the same old hands...................................
I don't mind you because you reply and ask questions in an adult way, yes I get involved with the petty crap with the usual suspects as I will stand up for myself. I will continue to do that, but I would much rather not get involved in all that nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
You deserve a reply.
I am totally against what seems to be playing out, it's completely undemocratic. I would be in favour of a no confidence vote and run the risk of what that brings, assuming the government is defeated. If that's a Labour and SNP coalition then so be it. That's the gamble Boris and his chums have decided to take.
As for Ruth Davidson then I am not surprised she is likely to quit. She has been against no deal and against Boris, today was probably the final straw. I know myself when you have children your priorities change and she will be no different, if she feels that way then I think that's a reasonable position to take. I don't get all the hate towards her though.
I am happy to engage with those that want to in an adult way, or we can keep the petty crap going as well. Funny I see another post saying I don't answer questions, would love that poster to point out a handful I have missed? Serious ones I mean.
Feel free to provide a list and I will happily answer them, if they are serious. Has to be ones I have missed through, no making them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by allmodcons
No, not a masterstroke. More of a blunt instrument, but tactically significant nonetheless. If we do end up with a No Deal exit and Farage makes good on his pledge to stand down the Brexit Party in favour of backing Johnson in any future election then the Tories would look odds-on to secure a very workable majority - given, as you say, that the rest of electorate are strewn in all directions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee
It isQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/28/hugh-...sage-10647161/
:top marks:top marks:top marks
A customary response of yours is to say I'm not the one looking to support change therefore it's not up to me to provide answers. This when you constantly want certainties from those who have a different political persuasion to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Well, you will have a big list then that you can share? Come on, back up what you say? Waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by allmodcons
Did you miss my reply?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
35 snp abstained, 40 tories abstained and 236 tories voted it down.
How is that dressing it up?
If you are willing to cut out the crap and the stupid jokes I am happy to engage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
It's dressing it up as what I say remains a fact. If the SNP had voted for it then it would have received a parliamentary majority, the only one to do so. Sturgeon said at the time that stopping Brexit was her 'top priority' but look how that has worked out for her. What would have happened next is up for debate.
Do you agree with Fife that actually the SNP wanted a no deal Brexit all along?
Today, heard quite a few colleagues who don't usually talk politics discussing the prorogue and they are raging. Has Johnson underestimated how folk will react to this?
I've just read on Twitter that Corbyn is/has written to the Queen to ask her to revoke the permission to suspend Parliament.
Is that true?
One things for sure - twitter is full of raving loons
I've said it a few times but there's a small part of me that wants it to be no deal and for it to be as bad as all the experts says, just to see what the reaction is
If the govts own analysis is saying no deal is up to 4 times worse than the GFC, then it will be carnage and a dereliction of duty to carry that out
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A fair reply, I agree with much of it. It would be easy to simply give the Tories a much deserved kicking (and it is very tempting :greengrin ) but this to me is just another example (albeit at the extreme end of the scale) of folk from the same handful of schools & universities (for whatever party) becoming more and more brazen, and worst of all, probably get away with it in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I thought I heard it was the libdems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
I'll get back to you 310. I just haven't got the time tonight. My life doesn't revolve around the HG.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I am not sure he will get away with it, I think he may have overplayed his hand on this occasion. Still more twists and turns to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
There is still time to legislate against a no deal, if anything it will have focussed the minds of those who want to carry it out.
Nor mine, but you seemed to be keeping tabs. Was it maybe the question from Modfather that I answered, or maybe from Moulin that I answered, or maybe it was the question on Ireland a few weeks back, that I also answered.Quote:
Originally Posted by allmodcons
If you just want to admit it you have it wrong then that's fine and we can forget it, I mean I answered the very question you said I would never answer within a few hours.
If you want to trawl through weeks and months of posts feel free, if you find any let me know, as I am happy to answer them.
I've seen that sentence said quite a few times these past 18 months or so!Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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legal challenge against bojo's prorogation of parliament led by joanna cherry QC and 70 others starts today in a Scottish court
While i agree he has overplayed his hand if parliament prevents a no deal then that will play to the little eglanders about stopping the will of the people. I fear either we will leave with no deal or that clown will be in charge either of which will be horrible for the man in the street..Just a horrible situation we are in at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
No I don't. There is no evidence to suggest the SNP want a no deal brexit, on the contrary there is lots of evidence that the SNP have been consistent in fighting Brexit, deal or no deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Why would Joanne Cherry and Alyn Smith be 2 of the people that took the steps of going to the courts to get a ruling on revoking Article 50?Quote:
The Scottish Parliament voted to reject the Prime Minister’s proposed deal and to call for a better alternative to both the ‘deal’ and no-deal. SNP, Labour, Green and Liberal Democrat MSPs all supported the motion.
The SNP, Greens and LibDems have been consistent in their opposition to Brexit in any form, and in particular a no deal brexit.
As for the original point you make, please explain why the abstention of 35 MPs from one party is more important than the abstention of 40 MPs from another? The MP who brought the motion is a Tory, but 40 of his party abstained, that is an indisputable fact, as is the fact that 236 of his own party voted against his motion. So there you have 276 Tories did not support one of their own party, yet you somehow manage to blame the SNP for it failing. Beyond belief.
I mean Gawd luv 'im and all that but the idea that Fife Hibee represents mainstream SNP thinking is one of the best megalolz we've had on here. :faf:
Yesterday, this thread was quite a good read, until about 16:00. It was after that that a lot of name calling and petty point scoring started.
I've been out this morning so hopefully it won't deteriorate in the same way now I'm back :wink:
Twitter updates from the Court of Session
https://twitter.com/andrewpicken1
He's head of the line for the Wings Party :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
The Labs and Libs should have backed May's deal. Then we wouldn't be facing no deal.
Europe, Labs, Libs, everyone else'sQuote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
responsibility.
Or the tories could have backed the deal. Maybe they were waiting for the snp to back the deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
I’m going to say it as I want to be honest, I hope we leave without a deal. It will undoubtedly lead to Scottish independence and that’s what I think is the best option for Scotland right now. I voted to remain and even when leave won I never thought for a second we’d be in this position. It’s time to pull up the drawbridge and let England get on with whatever it wants to do. It’s time we looked after ourselves and put the question back to the Scottish people. It’s beyond my comprehension as to why anyone would look at the current situation and think we’d not be better by leaving it behind. I know I’m being selfish, but I want my daughter to grow up in a country that has the same prospects and rights that I had. I’m a middle aged man that has made his choices in life for good or bad, my daughter is a child that has all that ahead of her. I might be being a bit dramatic, but my daughter is my life and the thought of her growing up in a country that appears to be moving ever further to the right saddens me.
Every single word of this echoes my own position.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
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Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Be very careful what you wish for. I completely understand your sentiment but it is widely understood that no deal would be economically damaging for Ireland. That being true, there’s absolutely no way it can be anything other than horrendous here. We are totally geared for getting things to/from the EU via England and our economy is heavily interlinked with rUK.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
If it happens then indy is our way out of the wreckage in the long term but don’t kid yourself, thousands of people will lose their jobs. It will be painful.
I agree with you, but I think it’s inevitable. If it’s not at the end of October then it will happen after the tories win a general election. I don’t want to delay the inevitable and I think that no deal while remaining in the UK will be worse than no deal with us independent and part of the EU. You mentioned Ireland, I would hope that Scotland and Ireland would be able to work together to negate some of the problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
We also have to remember that an independent Scotland in the EU would be able to take up a lot of the business that the rUK would previously had. Obviously we’d firstly be in the EEA.
Judge's decision on interim interdict due any minute now.
https://twitter.com/BBCandrewpicken
LD says he's not satisfied there's 'cogent need' for interim interdictQuote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
LD says full hearing should be brought forward to Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest next week.
Aidan O'Neill now for the parliamentarians and arguing for hearing to take place on Monday.
Roddy Dunlop for the UK Government now asking for hearing to take place on Wednesday due to pre existing commitments of the counsel.
Maybe he can postpone the round of golf he has planned?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I think you could be right. Government delaying tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Lord Doherty rules the full hearing takes place on Tuesday given the substantive public interest.
Tuesday it is.
Ding ding...:take that
I'll second that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Typical Beeb
"Judge refuses to halt parliament suspension plans"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-49521132
They don't mention that the Interim Interdict wouldn't serve much purpose with there being a full hearing to follow. I'd say that's why the judge is saying there wasn't a "cogent need".
The headline could have read "Judge orders earlier hearing to be brought forward by 4 days".
Aidan O’Neill QC says they want a sworn affidavit from prime minister Boris Johnson saying - on oath - why he needs to prorogue parliament. If Johnson refuses to provide a sworn statement, O’Neill suggests he could be called to give evidence.
I also dont get why the Judge being Scottish is relevant, unless I am missing something, it seems a strange way to put a sentence -Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
A Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to Boris Johnson's plan to shut down the UK Parliament.
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I'd pay to watch that.
I think it's more in reference to it being the Court of Session, ie. Scottish judge = Scottish court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee87
Possibly because there's another couple of similar legal challenges coming in other parts of the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee87
Don't think Johnson would have the slightest qualm about wafflying on oath, on paper or in court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
It's an explainer for metropolitan types - these Scots aren't total savages you know, they have courts'n'judges'n'stuff. Not proper ones like ours but still ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee87
Maybe not, but he'd have a job explaining why he needs 5 weeks to do what other governments have done in a maximum of 2, particularly with the slightly pressing business of Brexit to be sorted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
imagine the seethe from brexiteers down south....damn scots :greengrin mon english independence :wink:
He'd just blithely say what he's being saying to the media, that it's all normal blabla. And if required to answer properly, would just repeat his non-answer. But agree it would be a fine thing if The Scottish Judge ended up branding him a glib and shameless waffler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
It's the shock factor that "those jocks" have any power in this union.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee87
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Originally Posted by lord bunberry
We'd have a huge competitive advantage as (along with Ireland) the English speaking bridge to the European market.
John major joining English legal action against proroguing parliament.
And one of those major advantages would be our legal system. All the EU work that currently goes through London would likely come here rather than Dublin.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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We would want to move quickly though if we want London based companies to move to Edinburgh / rest of Scotland, the Netherlands are already in talks apparently with 50 companies regarding moves to Amsterdam.
Diageo must've been well ahead of the game, many of their brands 'moved' there years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Wowsers. Popcorn out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Traitor, communist, enemy of the people, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Indy would pile more disruption on top of the current mess. Not a good idea. We'd never see the end of it and neither would our children.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Don't believe that myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
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I agree with the first sentence but it's a bit of a cut off the leg to save the patient moment*. The alternative is the whole body dies over a longer time.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
* this analogy doesn't quite work as I believe in a few years time the patient would actually grow a new stronger leg. :greengrin
Lizard man?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Aaaaaargh, independent Scotland to be run by new reptilian species!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
We've just given Better Together a new talking point. Dammit! :wink:
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Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Any form of Brexit is going see a huge upsurge in racist attacks, homophobic attacks and general harrassment of people who will be left high and dry. Those on the far right who struggle with their own adequacy are geared up across England to carry these attacks out the day the UK is out. That's before the UK Govt (junta) get their Dominic Cummings shaped teeth into the "settled status" problem.
Not very comfortable seeing that as anything other than horrific and the thought of Scotland abandoning those people to that fate is not one I care for.
I have a theory that Mark Francois with his French name and Italian mother is suffering from some kind of Stockholm syndrom after being teased at school.
Boris will just lie on his affidavit. Hes got form for it let's face it.
The only way I can see no deal stopping is by revoking A50. Just not sure it will happen.
I ****ing hate that guy, he is a total ****ing clown and the total epitome of the flag waving, empire loving asshole that has caused this whole problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
It's just making clear that the hearing took place in Scotland (at the Court of Session in Edinburgh) where we have a separate legal system to England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee87
He's saying there was no need for the parliamentarians who brought this to court to seek an interim interdict. Essentially they were wasting court time with no logical requirement for such a move ahead of a full hearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
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Originally Posted by heretoday
aye right, i and my fellow countrymen/women will decide
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...Qo1LbODuKuzU54
Boris Johnson’s top strategist Dominic Cummings is understood to have sacked Sajid Javid’s media adviser following a confrontation in Downing Street.
Sonia Khan, who was a special adviser to former chancellor Philip Hammond and continued in the role under Mr Javid, has now left her position at the Treasury, The Independent understands.
The prime minister’s right-hand man summoned Ms Khan to No 10 for a short meeting before she was escorted out of the building, according to reports.
the wrath of boris, philip hammond will be wondering when it's his turn
Don’t think that’s right. The judge brought the hearing forward. Only once he’d done that was there no longer a cogent need for interdict.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Philip Hammond resigned when Boris became PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
in light of this info i'd like to rewind my premonition to the 23rd july 2019
He didn't remotely say or suggest that it had been wasting court time.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
EU are apparently going to remove the 31st October hard deadline next week
Hows that for flexibility