Im genuinely fascinated. Enlighten me.Quote:
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Im genuinely fascinated. Enlighten me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
He could tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Then he’d have to kill you.
I went to see Santa before Christmas. Was disgusted to meet Satan but was told this was a familiar lucifarian complication. More research required next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Pete
Ok well ill try drip feed information as i said its all a bit mind boggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Tell me the significance ofthe building at 666 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10019 and who is it Owned by?
( Heriot Watt, Cropley)Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Is it Kushner Properties, Jeremy? And it's next door to number 667?
FFS I knew that Americans can't write dates properly but do they also not know that 667 goes on the opposite side of the street from 666? :bitchy:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I think he's hinting at the stake the Vornado Group own in the building. I'm guessing the significance is their CEO played a role in Trumps election campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I'm actually intrigued as to where this is going.....
Ah been a while since I heard a good Luciferian conspiracy theory [emoji16]
And I'm well looking forward to having my mind boggled by it all....
Was this not an Iron Maiden tune? 668 neibour of the beast......
Conservative Government take a leaf out of the Donald's book.
Mexico will pay for the wall?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42723401
UK will pay for the security.
You think wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Look at the actual picture and then look at the actual words I used.
There is nothing in there at all regarding him not sharing hands, in fact you can (to my mind at least) clearly see is looking at his next door neighbours in readiness to hold hands.
On globalisation, I get you're trying to get your view across and possibly give some of us reason for 2nd thoughts.
That said, if you're looking at it with a similar base outlook as you looked at my post then it could bring into question your whole view on globalisation.
Then again, maybe we've just both simply got the wrong end of the stick re each others posts.
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We could be about to see peak .net :hyperQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Details of this Luciferian conspiracy a bit thin on the ground. No update for about 15 hours.
Falkirk has been cut off from the outside world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Has been for decadesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
And still no statement of condemnation or support from Club 1872! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Drip feeding the info apparentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Originally Posted by wpj
Having to wait a devilishly long time for details of the luciferian conspiracy. Isnt that always the way:devil:
The morning star works in mysterious ways :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Ive been quietly admiring your defence of trump on this (indont agree genrally, but i do agree people are getting tonwrapped up in the sideshow with him at times, plus in just find him a very uninteresting guy), but seriously, wtf is a luciferian plot?Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
I presume you dont lirerally mean insoired by the devil, but given a couple of the posts here lately about 9/11 conspiracies and jewish elite conspiracies, i just want to make sure!
Genuine question... given almost of all the republican elite were against him, who do you think 'chose' him, obama, bush etc?
Edit - posted the above without reading the rest of the posts! The jewish elite and 9/11 inside job chat is starting to look a lot more credible all of a sudden...
It was George Soros, in the crop-duster, laying out the chem-trails as agreed at the last Bilderberg meeting. Do try to keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
Damn that pesky Satan and his tardiness
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Originally Posted by steakbake
David Icke folk know what's going on. :sofa:
I just hope he is not sitting twiddling his thumbs somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
We all know about the devil and idle hands...
My bad 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by steakbake
I reckon he's just fact checking then crossing the Ts and dotting the Is. After all the devil is in the detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthsideHarp_Bhoy
I don't think the inaugural fake news awards this week have been covered yet. Bizarre but not surprising.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...awards-winners
Things like this really kill stone dead the narrative that somehow the 'liberals' (defined these days by the alt-right as anyone to the left of Attilla the Hun) are overreacting to the existence of Trump or are somehow getting wrapped up in a sideshow. He's the real thing, a dangerous nutter in the worlds biggest job. If you dont take this seriously you're missing something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
He knows EXACTLY what he's doing and chumps on the liberal side keep falling for it. He may know eff all about governing but he sure knows his base and how to divide and conquer.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I just dont get this argument. Politician passes terrible law. People complain about terrible law. But its the people who are 'chumps' by complaining about it? Do you think it would more effective if the liberal side silently complied, to avoid looking like chumps? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
I'm not even on to his government record, I'm talking about the social media, the spin and the straw men he sets up. Picks a target, says something mental about it, waits for the automatic liberal outrage and then watches the 'centre' having to choose between him and the liberal left.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
He's been elected unfortunately and the most effective threat to his Presidency is himself in Government. This is a clear case of 'give him enough rope'.
We live in a time of extremes and until people feel there's a viable alternative in the US centre ground his circus act will keep working if people have to choose between him and the previous consensus. Every fresh Trump outrage - and the response - reinforces that choice.
If by 'centre' you mean the Republican establishment, yes, you're right, those people are making a choice and are choosing Trump over the liberal left, but they are choosing him because he's disassembling the Federal Government with catastrophic consequences for the poor and massive tax cuts for multinationals, which is what the Republican establishment are aiming for these days. The republican establishment aren't all racist misanthropic bullies like Trump, but they're holding their nose and saying nothing while he tweets his craziness.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
The 'liberals' however you define them, really aren't part of the story at all.
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I do not mean the Republican establishment - that's a separate, though related, story.
I'm talking about voters, or at least those US citizens who bother to vote. Trump goes over the heads of the US political establishment with what we regard as his craziness and delivers a 'pick me or the armageddon of the other guys' message to a divided audience and he's becoming adept at co-opting the centrists (the US centre anyway) to lean towards him rather than the post-Hillary Liberals.And every time they over react to his setups on any given Liberal touchstone issue he just watches more of the centre soften to him. So Trump gets the Republican establishment - for now - by placing them in front of the the big public stupid craziness and forces them to pick a side. I think the social media and other madness is a lot more carefully nuanced than it at first appears.
The Liberals are absolutely part of the story. They're the very centre of it. He needs them as his straw men and women to point at and say 'them or me' and they are not being very clever about trying to deny him those opportunities. In fact I think they are in denial about him altogether and seem to be hoping or believing that he will somehow naturally self destruct because they believe him to be so far beyond the political pale. Except he isn't. He's there, elected, in office and not going away any time soon. The only things that may save them from a Trump second term are; impeachment (unlikely), governmental incompetence (quite possible) or ill health. The Democrats and the broader Liberal Left are - just like here - stuck beneath a political glass ceiling that their current message and leadership cannot break through.
Anyway, I'm waiting for the rest of the Luciferian prophecies...
None of that really answers my question-how is it that the 'liberals', in your narrative, are supposed to respond? (im still conflicted about whether this label has any legitimacy or meaning in the modern world, it wasn't that long ago when liberalism was broadly defined as a good thing, representing openness to new ideas...Churchill was in some senses a liberal, David Davis is an existential liberal, I get the impression its used by virtually everybody nowadays as a pejorative, with suggestions of anti capitalist protestors, a bit smelly, pierced noses etc....anyway...)Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
I cant see 'nuance' in Trump at all, you're wrong there. His schtick is politically expedient, and is all about securing his core vote, but its not nuanced, anything but. It fluctuates wildly and his policies fluctuate based on his mood from one moment to the next. Predicting upcoming elections is rank stupidity, im not getting involved in that game, but I'm not as confident as you seem to be that he's well positioned for a second term. Far too early to say.
:I'm waitiQuote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Trumps son in law Jared Kushner owns 666 Fifth, Jared is married to Ivanka Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
666 Fifth Avenue is home to Lucent Technologies (Lucent meaning 'They Shine' also a play on Lucifer the light bearer). Lucent Technologies specialize in RFID, NFC Chip technology.
Fair enough nothing too sinister going on there it may seem but then i see this homage to 666 croping up in various technology companies and beyond.
The google logo is another representation of 666 and the CERN logo is another. Coca Cola, Disney are others that all pay homage to this 666. They are loads more but google, coca cola and Disney being the obviously corrupt ones that spring to mind.
Ultimately long story cut short its all about controlling and taking away peoples personal freedoms (maybe population in time). Cash being a freedom soon to be taken away it seems with introduction of a cashless society. Im sure it will go far beyond just a cashless society with AI and robot technology.
They reason i slate the far left as they are all about limiting freedom of expression, freedom of thinking and they champion communism - which has so far been the most murderous ideology known so this suits the evil agenda. Let the far left idiots shut down a section freedom, then they will use other methods like the EU. They EU will champion a cashless society and could push for Micro chipping people in order to keep the schengen zone ideal alive.
I think just sneakily bit by bit eroding personal freedoms.
I think the agenda has multiple options available to them Trump was an option, Hillary was an option but ultimately its all leading down the same path.
I cant explain it all, i dont know it all, i don't think they are all in it together as such most are just fighting for their share of what's on offer but there is an agenda at play and no matter who it is they all pay homage to this 666 or all seeing eye or whatever other symbols they love.
I haven't mentioned 9/11 yet but that plays a part also.
Then there is the predictive programming movies predicting 9/11 before it happened, how can that be explained.
How do you explain David Rockerfella who help fund the build of the twin towers sitting in front of the twin tower building site getting his picture taken on the cover of news week and his watch states 9/11?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe...033vceNPfRbiM:
Sounds too crazy to be believed i know but that''s just what i observe.
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
They need to oppose and expose him without amplifying him - allowing themselves to be played into their own stereotypes just lets him off the hook. The starting point would be credible political leadership, which they don't currently have. So without a messenger their message - if they have a coherent one - has little chance of being heard. Instead default representative 'liberal' voices or organisations line themselves up with a stock 'Trump bad' response - eg Hollywood voices and elected politicos regarded as being part of the establishment problem just don't cut it. In fact I think they make it easier for Trump to portray himself as the outsider trying to drain the swamp. An utterly laughable proposition but he's getting away with it so far.
I've never stopped seeing liberalism as a good thing. However the smelly protestors imagery is exactly what the right work so hard to foster because it so effectively helps to de-legitimise the credibility of prospective liberal opposition in the eyes of Trump's core vote, mainstream Republican voters and the centre ground.
Of course he's being expedient, but that is not the same as being stupid. He may be malign, narcissistic, dangerous and capricious but none of that means he doesn't know how to communicate in shoring up his position. I think his policies and his public messaging are two almost entirely separate (often even conflicting) things. Take the wall as an example. It was perhaps the most front and center thing in his campaign. Let's see how long we have to wait before any meaningful part of it is really constructed let alone the whole thing. I think the left is in danger of badly wrong footing itself if it continues to believe that his absurdity is visible to everyone else. It isn't and that's mainly because we are living through a post-factual political age in which what matters isn't what is objectively true, so much as what people want reality to be in spite of any evidence to the contrary. He's not President despite being a preposterous figure with only a marginal attachment to the truth, he's President precisely because of being like that.
Predicting future elections may be rank stupidity but unless political progressives start to work out why they lost over there and here last time round they won't even have a starting point for working out how to get to winning in both countries next time round. May and Trump are two of the most low grade leaders their respective countries have ever had and yet they defeated their opponents despite their own personal deficiencies being on full gory display. That is the most damning indictment of their opponents and their opponents' political offer that I can think of.
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Originally Posted by HomeTeam
What the actual fak?
Superb.
There's definitely something in the Lucent and number 6 connection. Lucent merged with Alcatel, cats are known to have 9 lives and 9 is just 6 written upside down isn't it. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Well that escalated slowly
Totally worth it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by wpj
At least we can agree on one thing. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Cheers for taking the time to explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
While i actually do agree with some of your observations about personal freedom, it seems to me that you have put a lot of disparate (and very debateable) points that are loosely related st best, and then created a vast framework in which to wrap them all - i dont think its a particuarly compelling argument, snd i really dont see where the devil comes into it?
If there was some satanic elite, why would they risk the success of their conspiracy on some in joke to make sure they had 666 in their addresses / logos as much as possible?
I think some of your points about trump / clinton being from the same small elite aren't a million miles away, but im not sure What that tells us, apart from that they both habe their base in the same city amd you habe to be very well connected to and filthy rich to run for president.
I agree about the communist/socialist ideology being a murderous one in the past, amd i agree it dehumanaises people, but again im not sure what that has to do with anything else?
And again, if someone was 'in' on a conspiracy on the scale ofn9/11, why would they display the number on theor watch during an international photo shoot? Surely they would want to keep it secret?
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Originally Posted by HomeTeam
what obvious corruption is there in google, Coca Cola and Disney?
It is too crazy to be believed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
Thats about the most accurate thing you’ve saidQuote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
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Originally Posted by HomeTeam
You are David Icke and I claim my golden ticket to Trumpa Lumpa land
FYI The twin towers of the World Trade Centre only began construction in August 1968 so the Rockefeller theory is totally wrong
Let me see.
The EU, Mickey Mouse and the ghost of Stalin are coming to take away our freedom with chip and pin machines.
I’m not entirely convinced mate.
I am. Now that it's been explained it all makes perfect sense ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
By the way, Rockefeller’s watch doesn’t state 9/11. It states ‘five to nine’ or 8:55. And that’s assuming that the blown-up grab hasn’t been manipulated by some conspiracy theorist with an agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
So the most plausible explanation is that was the time when the photo was taken. I take it your theory is that he adjusted his watch to tie in with a plan to bring down the [unbuilt] towers in 30 odd years time?
If you can somehow tie Israel and religion into the whole theory then I'm in.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
And a good flat earth conspiracy too pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Surprised he/she never got involved with that thread from a few weeks back. Conspiracy theorists are incredibly funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Jonesy-
C'mon, this has run it's course long enough - who is HomeTeam? One of you have surely set a secondary account up as a parody or alter ego.
I can't think of anything less likely to be part of an 'all seeing eye' conspiracy as CERN...surely that's the antithesis of a god/devil belief?
Anyway the CERN logo clearly related to the fact the thing is round and things fly around it but even if it was some sort of homage to a secret number code it's clearly either 6666 or 9999...
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Originally Posted by Pete
That's exactly how they want you to think.
CERN could be short for Cernunos, the horned god of Celtic pagan belief.
Druid folk ken whits gaun on.
That's a relief... thank **** somebody does as this thread stopped making sense to me a good while ago :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by steakbake
https://www.google.de/amp/s/amp.theg...deny-treatment
This is the start of something really sinister.
What's next, the right to refuse someone treatment because they're Black, Mexican or Muslim?
A very worrying development and I think your decision of sinister covers it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Some of the stuff on this thread has been a bit pantomine villain but this is a genuinely dark policy decision.
The human race's inability to learn from it's mistakes truly astounds me sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Couple of Trump related articles I've noticed today
Donald Trump prepared to apologise for Britain First retweets
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42829555
and
Trump launches attack on 'predatory' trade
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42835934
If he had come out with the Britain First thing when it happened and better explained where he was with "America 1st" .....e.g. "Mr Trump said he would always put the US first when it came to trade, but "that does not mean America alone"" then maybe, just maybe people would think him a little more presidential. .... maybe!
US stocks are up 50% since his election. The 'home team' would say he's been a massive success, although even a cursory glance at his policies tell you that obviously the whole structure is based on decimating spending and tax cuts to benefit the 1%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Not disagreeing in general but it will be interesting to see what his corp tax cuts do...it might be a temporary effect as the companies bring their money back onshore but so far they have resulted in bonuses that go far beyond the 1% and seem to have spurred a number of large investments.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Also much more of America has its pensions tied up in stocks through their 401k's as compared to the UK so a rising market there again spreads its benefits well beyond the 1%.
I don't buy into the absolute link between who's in the White House and how the stock market / economy does but on both of the above counts the immediate impact of them at least won't be making many Americans cry.
Stocks and unemployment figures in the US have been on an upward trend since the middle of Obama's first term in office. I'm not sure that Trump can take all the credit for the improvements, that won't stop him trying of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
The 23 million who may lose their healthcare willQuote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
That why I didn't disagree in general terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by -Jonesy-
It is however possible that not ALL of his policies work only for the 1%...even a stopped clock is right twice a day [emoji12]
That’s just beautiful. I’ve read and the re read that. I really wish I had such a poor grip on reality. Your life must be fabulous.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
That is undoubtedly true, but are an electorate likely to vote out a president that’s delivering economic prosperity? As things stand a Trump second term seems more likely than not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
As incredulous as it seems to us in Europe, peopltwill vote on economic issues and Trump hasn’t been bad for the economy.
His watch says its 8.55 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeTeam
The problem with the impact of politics on finance doesn't really become apparent for years after implementation, this means they could potentially vote for a guy that has already ruined them before they realise it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
So it seems. That's what he was hired to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Stocks have been rising as investment is going into assets rather than investment in growth. Its a shelter for money not a reflection of economic optimism.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Our stock market has risen for thr same reason. We have a zombie economy.
Well of course I agree with that. And there is a general problem with how 'economics' is reported, its commonly defined as how it effects very rich people solely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
I totally agree that there is a problem how 'economics' is reported.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Originally Posted by Colr
It's like our zombie football league. We all have to watch dead clubs walking about and pretend they are alive. :greengrin
Stocks and bonds will crater at the same time. The 90% of financial advisers who know the square root of rock all will continue to sell wealth management like vacuum cleaner salesmen but knowing less about their trade.
Hunker down.
ETF's are hilarious. QQQ 75% in FAANGs (read it up). Diversified? :faf::faf::faf: Oh, and a wee side note. Amazon is a retail company? It makes the bulk of profits from cloud services. IT is weighted too high. Illegal? Yes. When did that matter.
Wizard of Oz.
Bonds, Stocks and real estate are going to crater at some point. No rush, but don't put all your eggs into one heavily bought and paid for establishment advisory (where you buy the bonds and stocks about to crash - see 2008 -:greengrin).
QQQ is a Nasdaq tracker and its weighting in the FAANG’s is consequently the same as that index c45%.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
And diversification from what? If most of my wealth was tied up in UK residential property (very common when people’s biggest asset tends to be their home) then buying QQQ might work for that.
You can also buy ETF’s that cover completely different asset classes...a precious metal ETF for example. They might be ‘passive’ but that doesn’t mean you are not making active choices when buying one.
Anyhoo I agree on the wealth managers / IFA shout....pretty damn hard to find one that is not just churning out the same old textbook nonsense (Bonds ‘safe’ despite a 30 year bull run!).
As for the ‘zombie’ economy. Well people can’t have it both ways. Put the price of money back where it should be (i.e. positive interest rates) and you will get rid of a lot of the zombies. Yet society seems rather less tolerant to such things these days so we have central bankers printing money and grossly skewing the market dynamics.
Finally you predict a market crash at some point...well sheesh anyone can do that and be right eventually. The fact remains though that over the long term stock investing (with divs reinvested) has proven to be a sound way to generate a return on your capital.
My ETF comments came from watching a great presentation by a guy called Steven Bregman who has done some interesting research into the darker side of ETF's. The weighting 41% by value but the sector weighting for information technology is 64% if you don't call Amazon a consumer discretionary company (only makes profit on Cloud Services!). His work is enlightening to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
I buy ETF's myself and have no problem with the general concept. I am long on URA at the moment.
A market crash is very obviously going to happen but hard to time. There will be bail ins and depositors will be robbed or maybe a 'New Deal' type currency creation.
The fear of losing a cash deposits makes it difficult to keep out of other asset classes likely to fall. There really isn't anywhere obviously to go!
At least we can rely on the eternal permanence of the luciferian cult.
Where do we buy the Luciferian bonds?
Amazon......! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
Donnie's Stormy past coming back to bite his bottom apparently.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43312158
I reckon thats the least of his worries, given the utter chaos his administration is in (despite his denials). Robert Mueller and his investigation is slowly working its way towards the higher powers in the White House, a very interesting few months ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by snooky
Trump and North Korea, does he deserve any credit?
Of course, though I reckon the impetus has come from NK reacting to heavy sanctions.Quote:
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I’m not aware of anything that’s actually happened yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
IF he does meet and IF that results in NK ending it’s nuclear programme and starting towards integration then he will get plenty of credit.
I’m not buying any of it so far and considering how much effort NK has put into telling its people that it is now a nuclear nation it seems rather odd timing to be offering to give that away...
Ironically he's giving NK exactly what they want. They're playing him like an Erhu.
Exactly. Trump deserves no credit at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
Previous US administrations were all offered the opportunity to meet with NK - they’d be delighted with that as it would serve to legitimise them. Trump is deluded enough to believe that giving personal abuse on Twitter is “pressure” which has paid off. It’s nonsense. There will never be a meeting
A Tale of Two Diddies.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Donald's going to lose his troosers while Kimbo gets to meet the Pressie of the USA - Oooooooo!
Trump is OK. He's doing what he was elected to do.
Exactly what the Russians wanted him to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
We critize politicians for not doing what they promised they would do, and we critize them now for doing what they said they would.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Does not really matter what we think, we don't live in the USA, those that do wanted him as their President.
A racist misogynist bully is 'ok'. I've heard it all now.
Does anyone off of Twitter or Facebook even know what misogynist means?
It's one of these ****y phrases that exists only in social media that's just adding points to Trump's support.
Eh?Quote:
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And me. Double eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
You think the word only exists on social media? Or you think the behaviour only exists on social media?Quote:
Originally Posted by IGRIGI
Trump has shown beyond any argument that he disrespects women. Misogynist is absolutely accurate :dunno: