Depression and anxiety

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

From my own experience I would say that he’s looking for someone to take the lead and tell him not to drive. It’s really hard for a son to take the bull by the horns and tell your dad what to do. It’s almost like a passing off the baton of life. It took me ages to assume the role, and at times it’s still not something I’m comfortable with, but it’s probably something you need to do mate.

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That's exactly what I think he's looking for someone to do. No-one has done that so far, either from within the family or from the medical team looking after him.

His head is all over the place at the moment, it's really very sad. I have said to him numerous times that there's no reason for him not to drive but he just won't accept that. He's on the laptop for hours every day actively looking for things to worry about.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

That's exactly what I think he's looking for someone to do. No-one has done that so far, either from within the family or from the medical team looking after him.

His head is all over the place at the moment, it's really very sad. I have said to him numerous times that there's no reason for him not to drive but he just won't accept that. He's on the laptop for hours every day actively looking for things to worry about.

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It’s a gradual process mate. You might want to start by saying that you’re going to find out one way or another. Take the decision out of his hands if that’s what you think he wants. After that it’s up to you to make what you think is the best decision for him. I’m currently going through a similar situation with my dad, the circumstances I find myself in have come around from different circumstances, but the end result probably requires the same solution. It’s not going to be easy, but try and be strong as ultimately it’s what your dad would want. Anyone who has kids will tell you that they would rather have their children step up and lead the family than it to be left to the authorities.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

It’s a gradual process mate. You might want to start by saying that you’re going to find out one way or another. Take the decision out of his hands if that’s what you think he wants. After that it’s up to you to make what you think is the best decision for him. I’m currently going through a similar situation with my dad, the circumstances I find myself in have come around from different circumstances, but the end result probably requires the same solution. It’s not going to be easy, but try and be strong as ultimately it’s what your dad would want. Anyone who has kids will tell you that they would rather have their children step up and lead the family than it to be left to the authorities.

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Thanks mate, really appreciate your input on this one and to everyone else who has offered help and guidance to me.

It really is a huge source of comfort during what has been the most difficult time of my life.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Thanks mate, really appreciate your input on this one and to everyone else who has offered help and guidance to me.

It really is a huge source of comfort during what has been the most difficult time of my life.

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Just been reading through your post's I am a anxiety sufferer and have been for years. Although I have recently improved the situation through medication.
I visit my doctor every few months to basically get a wee check up on my mind which I now look forward to. I have not been told I cannot drive either before or after I was prescribed medication hopefully you can maybe use this info for your dad.
I didn't see anything about medication for your dad?
It's a hellish thing anxiety it's so hard to explain people think your at it .
I have told only a close few and hide it from the rest.
One bit of advice which has helped me is trying to remove yourself from the triggers that set it off.
Now this can be quite difficult for one of things for me was the job I was doing.
Other things for me were larger groups of people I really started to panic fine in the company of 3 or 4 but make that a bigger number and my levels jump through the roof.
Looks like getting your dad of the computer at times might help him.


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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Thanks to everyone who has replied so far.

To clarify a couple of things, my dad has been diagnosed with severe anxiety. He doesn't have depression, schizophrenia or anything like that.

He's been told by a consultant and a member of the home visit team that he is fine to drive but he's constantly looking online. He's now moving on from the fact that he's not unfit to drive to now saying that his suicide attempt has basically invalidated his current car insurance and so is actually not covered if he's in an accident.

It's almost as if he's wanting someone to tell him that he can't drive. He keeps saying that the onus is on him to decide if he's able to drive which is a huge responsibility for him.

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It reads to me like your Dad is displaying clear symptoms of his anxiety.

When ny anxiety was at it's worst I was constantly looking for reassurance and trying to get it by asking constant questions about things, I thought I was being quite casual about it but everyone noticed. Anxiety often comes with a fixation, mines was health, and it can become very obsessive. Doesn't help answer your question but his behaviour doesn't read as abnormal based on his diagnosis.

At my worst I used to check ny tonsils in the mirror at least 20 times a day. I was obsessed with lymph nodes and constantly poking and prodding about my neck. If I was in a busy room I became terrified if I didn't know where the toilets were and walking in the street was a constant battle in my own head as I was convinced I was going to faint or have a cardiac arrest and just keel over.

There are ways to manage anxiety and get better and your Dad will get there.

Currently having massive anxiety attacks at silly o clock every day, dreams are so mad and random it's a *****e way to spend the day afterwords

Anxiety is absolutley brutal and affects people in so many different ways. Mines didnt seem to bother me to a point I was worried anything physical was wrong, my biggest problem was having an anxiety attack because I was anxious about having an an anxiety attack. As crazy as it sounds those are what pretty much rendered me incapable of any sort of cognitive thinking.

One example is when the morning arrived for my Wife and I to go to Italy, taxi was at the door ready to take us to Edin airport, I said I couldnt do it, then came the anxiety attack. I then just kept saying to myself, get in the taxi, its only Edin airport, your still near to home. What if I am anxious on the plane, aw its only a couple of hours. What happens if Im anxious in Italy, aw again its only a couple of hours away from home etc.

Constant reassurance got me through that holiday, and many more.

The way I compared anxiety with my depression.

With anxiety I worried about everything, but with depression I worried about nothing.

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Originally Posted by wpj

Currently having massive anxiety attacks at silly o clock every day, dreams are so mad and random it's a *****e way to spend the day afterwords

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Thinking o ye mate, chin up & keep fighting it 👍

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Originally Posted by wpj

Currently having massive anxiety attacks at silly o clock every day, dreams are so mad and random it's a *****e way to spend the day afterwords

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I just can’t completely shake the anxiety my neck shoulders and upper back are so painful as I can’t stop the tension in them I even have a sore tongue as that’s tense too!

I’m heads in a fairly good place but just can’t rid myself of it maybe I never will might give amatriptaline a go again as it helped a bit I also take St. John’s wort which seems to help the anxiety.

Hope you get your sleeping back on track poor sleep certainly doesn’t help.

Thanks again to everyone who has posted in response to me.

The update today isn't good unfortunately. My dad is currently back in hospital having just admitted to taking an overdose of his anxiety tablets earlier this morning. He appears to be ok physically at the moment but his intentions are obvious.

He's currently being cared for by A&E staff and will presumably be readmitted to a mental health ward afterwards.

Thanks again to everyone for your support, it's greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Thanks again to everyone who has posted in response to me.

The update today isn't good unfortunately. My dad is currently back in hospital having just admitted to taking an overdose of his anxiety tablets earlier this morning. He appears to be ok physically at the moment but his intentions are obvious.

He's currently being cared for by A&E staff and will presumably be readmitted to a mental health ward afterwards.

Thanks again to everyone for your support, it's greatly appreciated.

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Thats a real blow mate, really sorry to read this news, hopefully now the mental health team give your Dad all the support he needs, it could actually be good now he has the support of professional help. Just you keep up your support mate, these places can be quite daunting & it might take a few steps backwards before things move forwards. Fingers crossed mate 👍

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Thanks again to everyone who has posted in response to me.

The update today isn't good unfortunately. My dad is currently back in hospital having just admitted to taking an overdose of his anxiety tablets earlier this morning. He appears to be ok physically at the moment but his intentions are obvious.

He's currently being cared for by A&E staff and will presumably be readmitted to a mental health ward afterwards.

Thanks again to everyone for your support, it's greatly appreciated.

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Sorry to hear that.

Keep doing what you can to support your Dad and make sure you get as much info from the hospital as you can.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Thanks again to everyone who has posted in response to me.

The update today isn't good unfortunately. My dad is currently back in hospital having just admitted to taking an overdose of his anxiety tablets earlier this morning. He appears to be ok physically at the moment but his intentions are obvious.

He's currently being cared for by A&E staff and will presumably be readmitted to a mental health ward afterwards.

Thanks again to everyone for your support, it's greatly appreciated.

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I am so sorry to hear your news. A bit of practical info for you.

Difficult for us all to accept but the hard fact is that a repetition attempt is not uncommon. Approximately 15% of people make a further attempt in the first twelve months afterwards, the risk being highest in the first three months. Around 1% are unfortunately successful during that period.

Speaking medically, a very few patients who have attempted suicide will be deemed to need in-patient psychiatric care. These people include those with severe a psychiatric disorder and those diagnosed as being at risk of suicide. If either of these are indicated, and the patient should refuse, admission can be carried out under a Medical Health Act.

Speaking personally now to you and not as a practitioner, if the doctors feel your dad is at risk and want to keep him in hospital for care but dad wants to come home I would listen to the doctors and help encourage him to stay for treatment. My partner, before she died pleaded and pleaded with me not to 'let them' take her into hospital. I wanted to look after her and was the only person who seemed to understand her distress at this and nor was there a suggest of her being admitted but looking back I think it would have given her a better chance of surviving, though we can't know these things.

I am thinking that an out-patient Mental Health Crisis team will be assigned to your dad? If so, make sure you do your own monitoring of what they are doing to support him. I am sure you won't have the same experience but my late partner was sadly let down by hers - even to the point of them discharging her over the phone the night before she took her own life. A not incidental event influencing her fatal actions of the following day in my view. Stay on it, ask to speak to the psychiatrist and his team if you can. Don't let up.

I hope for some peace and healing in your family.

For anyone suffering with Anxiety.

I would highly recommend looking into the benefits of CBD oil & the endocannibinoid system as a whole.

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Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip

For anyone suffering with Anxiety.

I would highly recommend looking into the benefits of CBD oil & the endocannibinoid system as a whole.

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Had a look at the subject of CBD oil and it looks as if it could be very good for a number of conditions including anxiety as you rightly say. The CBD oil being a hemp extract in absence of the THC which gives the mind bending high. Still in the experimental stage and appears to have strong beneficial potential according to what I read anyway.

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Originally Posted by stu in nottingham

I am so sorry to hear your news. A bit of practical info for you.

Difficult for us all to accept but the hard fact is that a repetition attempt is not uncommon. Approximately 15% of people make a further attempt in the first twelve months afterwards, the risk being highest in the first three months. Around 1% are unfortunately successful during that period.

Speaking medically, a very few patients who have attempted suicide will be deemed to need in-patient psychiatric care. These people include those with severe a psychiatric disorder and those diagnosed as being at risk of suicide. If either of these are indicated, and the patient should refuse, admission can be carried out under a Medical Health Act.

Speaking personally now to you and not as a practitioner, if the doctors feel your dad is at risk and want to keep him in hospital for care but dad wants to come home I would listen to the doctors and help encourage him to stay for treatment. My partner, before she died pleaded and pleaded with me not to 'let them' take her into hospital. I wanted to look after her and was the only person who seemed to understand her distress at this and nor was there a suggest of her being admitted but looking back I think it would have given her a better chance of surviving, though we can't know these things.

I am thinking that an out-patient Mental Health Crisis team will be assigned to your dad? If so, make sure you do your own monitoring of what they are doing to support him. I am sure you won't have the same experience but my late partner was sadly let down by hers - even to the point of them discharging her over the phone the night before she took her own life. A not incidental event influencing her fatal actions of the following day in my view. Stay on it, ask to speak to the psychiatrist and his team if you can. Don't let up.

I hope for some peace and healing in your family.

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A very helpful and thoughtful post this.

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Originally Posted by lgnsh70

Had a look at the subject of CBD oil and it looks as if it could be very good for a number of conditions including anxiety as you rightly say. The CBD oil being a hemp extract in absence of the THC which gives the mind bending high. Still in the experimental stage and appears to have strong beneficial potential according to what I read anyway.

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Total game changer for me. Had been getting crippling anxiety every morning first thing and randomly throughout the day, alongside trouble sleeping.

Can’t recommend it enough.

Supplement with a healthy diet, some light exercise and as much natural sunlight as possible.

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Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip

Total game changer for me. Had been getting crippling anxiety every morning first thing and randomly throughout the day, alongside trouble sleeping.

Can’t recommend it enough.

Supplement with a healthy diet, some light exercise and as much natural sunlight as possible.

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Good to hear the CBD oil has helped greatly for you. It could yet prove to be helpful for a number of conditions according to some of the research.

Us Scots are particularly prone to skin conditions and others that are affected by Vit D deficiency. Vit D is absorbed into the body by natural sunlight however we don't always obtain enough of the natural sunlight's Vit D even in the summer at the critical time when the body tends to squirrel away Vit D levels for the other months.

I top up with recommended intakes of optimum Vit D D3 supplements on a daily basis albeit being careful not to take too much as too much of them can have adverse effects.

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Originally Posted by lgnsh70

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Good to hear the CBD oil has helped greatly for you. It could yet prove to be helpful for a number of conditions according to some of the research.

Us Scots are particularly prone to skin conditions and others that are affected by Vit D deficiency. Vit D is absorbed into the body by natural sunlight however we don't always obtain enough of the natural sunlight's Vit D even in the summer at the critical time when the body tends to squirrel away Vit D levels for the other months.

I top up with recommended intakes of optimum Vit D D3 supplements on a daily basis albeit being careful not to take too much as too much of them can have adverse effects.

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I use a lamp, which sits beside my desk throughout the day. Can't think what I'd be like without it.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I use a lamp, which sits beside my desk throughout the day. Can't think what I'd be like without it.

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The weathers against us here for the vast majority of folk to maintain optimum levels of D3 Vit D and the medical research is there to advise us Scots and residents of other similar countries of non regular bright sunshine to have their Vit D levels checked and take supplements if required.

I was checked out a number of years ago by my then GP who is was a bit of an expert on Vit D deficiency and I was found to have a considerable deficiency according to the predicted normal levels which is why I take daily D3 Vit D supplements.

Serious D3 Vit D deficiency can lead to skin conditions and the more serious Osteoporosis among other effects. Its well worth being checked out for Vit D levels when one can.

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Originally Posted by lgnsh70

The weathers against us here for the vast majority of folk to maintain optimum levels of D3 Vit D and the medical research is there to advise us Scots and residents of other similar countries of non regular bright sunshine to have their Vit D levels checked and take supplements if required.

I was checked out a number of years ago by my then GP who is was a bit of an expert on Vit D deficiency and I was found to have a considerable deficiency according to the predicted normal levels which is why I take daily D3 Vit D supplements.

Serious D3 Vit D deficiency can lead to skin conditions and the more serious Osteoporosis among other effects. Its well worth being checked out for Vit D levels when one can.

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That’s crazy. I just ordered these last night. Been struggling with my skin big time this winter after a year working nightshift. It was this, coupled with increased anxiety and radge insomnia that led me to research CBD, Vitamin D & 5-HTP.

Do you think this dose (3000IU) is ok for daily use or am I best doing alternate days?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I use a lamp, which sits beside my desk throughout the day. Can't think what I'd be like without it.

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Do you have a link fella? Been looking into this also...

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Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip

That’s crazy. I just ordered these last night. Been struggling with my skin big time this winter after a year working nightshift. It was this, coupled with increased anxiety and radge insomnia that led me to research CBD, Vitamin D & 5-HTP.

Do you think this dose (3000IU) is ok for daily use or am I best doing alternate days?

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That's far too much to begin with for someone who's not been checked out by the GP.

If you're concerned about your Vit D levels go to the GP who can run simple checks and who will recommend the top up amount required if required at all.

Vit D has great benefits but too much Vit D can have adverse effects.

Go to the GP who will advise you, seriously mate.

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Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip

Do you have a link fella? Been looking into this also...

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I think CWG is referring to the Sunray UV lamps that are used in hospitals for folk with conditions such as eczema etc. Some folk can be rushed to hospital with acute skin conditions and are treated with stand up UV ray machines with less serious conditions treated with smaller lamps. A few minutes a week may be suitable for you in a stand up tanning clinic.

However it would be far better for you if you attended your GP to discuss it and run simple tests with her advising you.

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Nice one mate, cheers for the advice.

I’ve been back & forward since September, been referred to the Dept for Sleep Medicine & Dermatology. Taking forever though.

Will hold off on the Vitamin D3 in the meantime, or perhaps pick up some lighter ones.

Appreciated 👍🏻

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Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip

Nice one mate, cheers for the advice.

I’ve been back & forward since September, been referred to the Dept for Sleep Medicine & Dermatology. Taking forever though.

Will hold off on the Vitamin D3 in the meantime, or perhaps pick up some lighter ones.

Appreciated ����

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No probs mate.

Hope you get your appointment soon and they should advise you on the limits of what you can do for yourself alongside their provided treatment and care.

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Originally Posted by lgnsh70

I think CWG is referring to the Sunray UV lamps that are used in hospitals for folk with conditions such as eczema etc. Some folk can be rushed to hospital with acute skin conditions and are treated with stand up UV ray machines with less serious conditions treated with smaller lamps. A few minutes a week may be suitable for you in a stand up tanning clinic.

However it would be far better for you if you attended your GP to discuss it and run simple tests with her advising you.

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I'm not.

I'm referring to the lamps that are commercially available to anyone who has issues with Seasonal Affective Disorder. Mine is on 6 hours a day at this time of the year.

I'll post the link for mine tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I'm not.

I'm referring to the lamps that are commercially available to anyone who has issues with Seasonal Affective Disorder. Mine is on 6 hours a day at this time of the year.

I'll post the link for mine tomorrow.

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Apologies mate. I thought the lamps you were referring to were the Ultraviolet lamps hospitals use for treating skin conditions like eczema.

Hope the Seasonal Affective Disorder lamps help with the condition.

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Originally Posted by MagicSwirlingShip

Do you have a link fella? Been looking into this also...

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This is the one I've had for years.

https://www.bodykind.com/product/203...light-box.aspx

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

This is the one I've had for years.

https://www.bodykind.com/product/203...light-box.aspx

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I think I'm going to have to look into the treatments in more detail. I have a great reading lamp with dozens of settings but I doubt it's really a "light box" I do like it though 😎
Back off work this week and struggling.

has been creeping up for a wee while but back on tablets and struggling
A really good thread that lets you know your not alone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42901550

This article caught my eye on the BBC this morning. It's very sad some people still think it's acceptable to act in such a way. On the flip side it's currently the most read story on the BBC site and I'd hope the majority of people are clicking on it because they are appalled by the headline.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42901550

This article caught my eye on the BBC this morning. It's very sad some people still think it's acceptable to act in such a way. On the flip side it's currently the most read story on the BBC site and I'd hope the majority of people are clicking on it because they are appalled by the headline.

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Football is, as we all know, someting that lives in a bubble. Football fans (and players) will find a way to abuse the other team's players, in the belief that that player will be intimidated and play less well. That's a sad fact of life, no matter how abhorrent (most) people find it.

This guy's case will do nothing other than intimidate others from putting their head above the parapet. It's in the same bag as gay players. "This is what you're gonna get, so just stay in the closet..."

Conversely, I am amazed that NL hasn't (to my knowledge) received much abuse about his own issues. I would have thought he was an easy target in that respect. Or maybe being a Fenian ******* is worse than being a mentalist? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Football is, as we all know, someting that lives in a bubble. Football fans (and players) will find a way to abuse the other team's players, in the belief that that player will be intimidated and play less well. That's a sad fact of life, no matter how abhorrent (most) people find it.

This guy's case will do nothing other than intimidate others from putting their head above the parapet. It's in the same bag as gay players. "This is what you're gonna get, so just stay in the closet..."

Conversely, I am amazed that NL hasn't (to my knowledge) received much abuse about his own issues. I would have thought he was an easy target in that respect. Or maybe being a Fenian ******* is worse than being a mentalist? :rolleyes:

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:agree: Football fans (including our own) will hurl all sorts of abuse at players and then become hyper-sensitive and shocked if a player makes a daft gesture in return.

5Some) People tend to leave reality and humanity at the turnstiles.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42901550

This article caught my eye on the BBC this morning. It's very sad some people still think it's acceptable to act in such a way. On the flip side it's currently the most read story on the BBC site and I'd hope the majority of people are clicking on it because they are appalled by the headline.

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I knew what that article was before even clicking on your link.

It's absolutely despicable that people would say such things to another human being. All I will say is that they don't know what's in store for them later in life. Mental illness can hit anyone at any time.

The guy's extremely brave for being able to speak up about his issues and I have nothing but respect for him. I hope those who have chosen to mock him are named and shamed and are dealt with appropriately.

Absolute $cum.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

I knew what that article was before even clicking on your link.

It's absolutely despicable that people would say such things to another human being. All I will say is that they don't know what's in store for them later in life. Mental illness can hit anyone at any time.

The guy's extremely brave for being able to speak up about his issues and I have nothing but respect for him. I hope those who have chosen to mock him are named and shamed and are dealt with appropriately.

Absolute $cum.

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The problem is.... how can they be "dealt with appropriately"?

There's little in place to sanction those who abuse people on the basis of their mental health. As you know, of course, abuse and discrimination towards people with physical issues is (slowly) being dealt with, socially and legally. The mental health equivalent is a long way off.

Part of that stems from the lack of visibility of mental illness, of course, but where it becomes an obvious issue ( as in this guy's case), there is cause for including something appropriate in that warning that is read out before each game.... the one about challenging or abusing people on the basis of their race, sexual orientation etc.?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

The problem is.... how can they be "dealt with appropriately"?

There's little in place to sanction those who abuse people on the basis of their mental health. As you know, of course, abuse and discrimination towards people with physical issues is (slowly) being dealt with, socially and legally. The mental health equivalent is a long way off.

Part of that stems from the lack of visibility of mental illness, of course, but where it becomes an obvious issue ( as in this guy's case), there is cause for including something appropriate in that warning that is read out before each game.... the one about challenging or abusing people on the basis of their race, sexual orientation etc.?

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In cases like this, it really should be cut and dried. He has been open about his depression, suicide attempts and his mental health in general for quite a few years now so people will be aware of his circumstances. So any comments like "go and hang yourself properly this time" and "watch your wrists wee man, oh better not wind you up since you're a psycho" really should be dealt with in the same way that abusive comments on the grounds of race or sexuality would be dealt with at the moment.

It is absolutely unacceptable to say something like that to someone and I honestly cannot understand what would make anyone want to say that to another person. The penalties should be severe for this type of thing.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

In cases like this, it really should be cut and dried. He has been open about his depression, suicide attempts and his mental health in general for quite a few years now so people will be aware of his circumstances. So any comments like "go and hang yourself properly this time" and "watch your wrists wee man, oh better not wind you up since you're a psycho" really should be dealt with in the same way that abusive comments on the grounds of race or sexuality would be dealt with at the moment.

It is absolutely unacceptable to say something like that to someone and I honestly cannot understand what would make anyone want to say that to another person. The penalties should be severe for this type of thing.

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It could be argued that we already have appropriate laws in place.

Lawyers on here will correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC the test for breach of the peace is whether it puts someone in a state of fear or alarm. It's a stretch, but abusing someone on the basis of their mental health might fall under that.

I'm lucky that I'm strong enough now after 20 odd years to deal with crap like that, but not everyone is. It is the kind of thing that could push a person over the edge.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

It is absolutely unacceptable to say something like that to someone and I honestly cannot understand what would make anyone want to say that to another person. The penalties should be severe for this type of thing.

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Sure you can. To gain a competitive advantage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvNkkdfNwEg

Your last paragraph worries me a bit... My daughter left school and has gone to college, she's having some difficulties and her "friends" still at school are really sticking the knife in on Facebook, twitter Snapchat etc it's like they want to make the point she's made the wrong decision while they've made the right one ... If it wasn't for her college pals who range in age from 16 to late 20's that are being really supportive I worry where it would all end.

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Your last paragraph worries me a bit... My daughter left school and has gone to college, she's having some difficulties and her "friends" still at school are really sticking the knife in on Facebook, twitter Snapchat etc it's like they want to make the point she's made the wrong decision while they've made the right one ... If it wasn't for her college pals who range in age from 16 to late 20's that are being really supportive I worry where it would all end.

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My last paragraph? Not sure if you meant to quote me.

Colleges these days have (relative to our day) much better support services. You might want to ease her their way.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Sure you can. To gain a competitive advantage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvNkkdfNwEg

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That's a lot more than simply trying to gain a competitive advantage.

That is extremely nasty, bullying behaviour that could lead to devastating consequences depending on the person's state of mind at the time.

There's countlesss other ways that someone can try to gain a competitive advantage over a rival without resorting to things like this.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

My last paragraph? Not sure if you meant to quote me.

Colleges these days have (relative to our day) much better support services. You might want to ease her their way.

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Hi CWG... I did mean yer last paragraph :-)

And to quote you :-)



Totally agree, re the college, they're being very supportive.... One thing that's really become obvious is the difference in behaviour between those kids at school and those at college OF THE SAME AGE, it does seem that a lot of how people behave is driven by those around them.

Hope that makes sense.


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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Hi CWG... I did mean yer last paragraph :-)

And to quote you :-)



Totally agree, re the college, they're being very supportive.... One thing that's really become obvious is the difference in behaviour between those kids at school and those at college OF THE SAME AGE, it does seem that a lot of how people behave is driven by those around them.

Hope that makes sense.


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To be clear, I'm meaning my daughter moving from one situation (school) to another (college) and the grief she's getting from her old "friends" still at school who're trying to tell her she's made a mistake in moving on before them.

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That's a lot more than simply trying to gain a competitive advantage.

That is extremely nasty, bullying behaviour that could lead to devastating consequences depending on the person's state of mind at the time.

There's countlesss other ways that someone can try to gain a competitive advantage over a rival without resorting to things like this.

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Yeah, does seem to go beyond mere sledging. I do wonder if at its heart it's about putting the target off his game, though. "The former Forfar Athletic striker said that on the pitch, opponents had used his depression to undermine his efforts during games." Wasn't it Lenny who used to constantly taunt opponents about how little they earned compared to him? Always thought even that was a bit off, and there's no comparison there with what's being described in David Cox's case.

Interesting and encouraging to see a post on the main board re depression and anxiety. I'm off work at the moment and while it is most likely the above I have been signed off with cardiology issues which is also true, feels a bit of a cop out to prefer this reason to mental health reasons but one does involve the other just one seems more acceptable (even though I work in health). I feel I am letting fellow sufferes down

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Yeah, does seem to go beyond mere sledging. I do wonder if at its heart it's about putting the target off his game, though. "The former Forfar Athletic striker said that on the pitch, opponents had used his depression to undermine his efforts during games." Wasn't it Lenny who used to constantly taunt opponents about how little they earned compared to him? Always thought even that was a bit off, and there's no comparison there with what's being described in David Cox's case.

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Was it not Craig Bellamy when at Celtic, can remember when they lost to Clyde in the cup and comments to a Clyde player about cutting his grass. Of course Lennon might have dome similar.

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Ah yes, you're right, Bellamy. Got mixed up between the two unlikeable Celtc players.

Hibs are hosting an event next Tuesday that is open to anyone between 30-65. Apparently mental health is involved in the event. I’ve not heard that officially from hibs, but others have mentioned it.

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Can't make it due to location but the idea of meeting up for a game with other posters on this thread still appeals. Was discussed a while back.

So the drugs do work, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

Hibs.net survey?

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So the drugs do work, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

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I’ve just gone back on amitriptyline. Even though I don’t feel particularly stressed or anxious I can’t seem to disengage my brain if anything I’m anxious about being anxious.

I’ve used it before with no major issues in a low dose hoping it will help me relax a bit as my muscles are aching and I’ve been waking up at times with clenched fists even my tongue feels tense!

Good I see it supposed to be one of the better ones!

My particular grouch with this survey is that there is a very narrow question being set, ie "do they ease depression?".

Other questions which need to be addressed are:-

To what extent do the side-effects affect one's life? (in my case, increased cholesterol made it a risk not worth taking)

To what extent are other, non-pharmacological, treatments more or less successful?

That said, the fact that the media has been full of this survey this morning is very welcome. People feeling comfortable enough (as on here) to tell their stories can only be a good thing. Moan the nutters....:flag:

I was quite surprised to hear a Professor on the radio this morning say something like, 'that's it, we can now close the book on whether anti-depressant medication is effective'.

Defer to this gent's knowledge but for me that is not how science and research works. It's only a part of the body of knowledge on the subject and not definitive forever and ever. Knowledge becomes challenged, and discredited all the time.

My initial thoughts are that I'm a bit concerned that people will buy into what, in fairness on the exterior, looks like a convincing piece of research and see that as the easy answer. It is never as simple as that, much though we would like it to be.

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I was quite surprised to hear a Professor on the radio this morning say something like, 'that's it, we can now close the book on whether anti-depressant medication is effective'.

Defer to this gent's knowledge but for me that is not how science and research works. It's only a part of the body of knowledge on the subject and not definitive forever and ever. Knowledge becomes challenged, and discredited all the time.

My initial thoughts are that I'm a bit concerned that people will buy into what, in fairness on the exterior, looks like a convincing piece of research and see that as the easy answer. It is never as simple as that, much though we would like it to be.

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There's the odd publication out there that "debunks" climate change. Point being, big declarations and standpoints require on pretty much universal consensus, and one piece of research merely contributes to part of a wider chain of evidence, oftentimes being proven to be nonsense, or hugely flawed.

If he's genuinely suggesting one test closes the book on a debate, he should be stripped of his professorship and seriously challenged by his peers, and employers.

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There's the odd publication out there that "debunks" climate change. Point being, big declarations and standpoints require on pretty much universal consensus, and one piece of research merely contributes to part of a wider chain of evidence, oftentimes being proven to be nonsense, or hugely flawed.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

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It’s a joke!? Yes the can ease the emotion & numb thinking but they do nothing to change the persons relationship with thought and emotion which creates depressive thinking patterns. Depression/anxiety can only be overcome by a change of thought, nothing more nothing less. I wonder who sponsored the research?

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It’s a joke!? Yes the can ease the emotion & numb thinking but they do nothing to change the persons relationship with thought and emotion which creates depressive thinking patterns. Depression/anxiety can only be overcome by a change of thought, nothing more nothing less. I wonder who sponsored the research?

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To be fair to the author of the study, he did say this, although you have to search for it:-

"Medication should always be considered alongside other options, such as psychological therapies, where these are available,"

On the "sponsorship" question, he also said this:-

"Importantly, the paper analyses unpublished data held by pharmaceutical companies, and shows that the funding of studies by these companies does not influence the result, thus confirming that the clinical usefulness of these drugs is not affected by pharma-sponsored spin."

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To be fair to the author of the study, he did say this, although you have to search for it:-

"Medication should always be considered alongside other options, such as psychological therapies, where these are available,"

On the "sponsorship" question, he also said this:-

"Importantly, the paper analyses unpublished data held by pharmaceutical companies, and shows that the funding of studies by these companies does not influence the result, thus confirming that the clinical usefulness of these drugs is not affected by pharma-sponsored spin."

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With any of my clients I would never discourage the use of them, if thats whats prescribed go with them.

Its when they talk about reducing the symptoms it really annoys me. Its not the symptoms they should be working on (Im sure you know all this). Its like scooping the froth off a boiling pan. You keep scooping but if the pans still on the heat its gonna keep boiling.

(as I type this I feel a bit of a hypocrite as Im sometimes sponsored by a pharma company to go out and speak to GPs/Drs/anaesthetist ect about the relationship we have with our thoughts & how it can help patient recovery)

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With any of my clients I would never discourage the use of them, if thats whats prescribed go with them.

Its when they talk about reducing the symptoms it really annoys me. Its not the symptoms they should be analysing (Im sure you know all this). Its like scooping the froth off a boiling pan. You keep scooping but if the pans still on the heat its gonna keep boiling.

(as I type this I feel a bit of a hypocrite as Im sometimes sponsored by a pharma company to go out and speak to GPs/Drs/anaesthetist ect about the relationship we have with our thoughts & how it can help patient recovery)

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Totally agree with you, of course... but, probably like you, it's the "headline culture" that annoys me here. "The drugs work", so let's not bother with any expensive quackery.

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On a positive, for some people the headline might act as a placebo effect. Believing they will work could have a positive effect. It still keeps them looking externally for solutions though.

I have tried various councilling methods over the years which have been very good but only lasted maybe a year before I relapsed.
Drastic action from me was leaving the work place ..removing myself from large groups and generally deciding that whatever triggered my anxiety I was not going to do again.
Now that's all good but not really practical so I started taking citalopram . Now for me this was a marked change in my life I felt in control and could finally move start work and be confident.
I was wrong ..
they did help a lot but I still needed to address and cut out the triggers along with the drugs life is good but not everyone can do what I did it's Drastic but I'm here and enjoying life

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Trying to keep my anxiety under control we had an attempted break in last week while we slept so constantly on edge.

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So the drugs do work, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

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As usual with media stories on anti depressants i don't think it's as simple as they've made it out. I do an ocassional mental health blog and touched on this - along with the Compassionate Frome Project

https://cumbernauldlivinglandscape.o...sion-lots-tea/

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

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Im flabbergasted by that report. The message the BBC are giving is so simplified as to be dangerous to public health.

In the 'drugs that are most effective' column they have included paroxetine ie-paxil, or seroxat. I was put on seroxat a number of years ago and i had a serious reaction to it, it was far worse than the depression i was given it for. Ive spoken to health professionals and read journals and its not well thought of in general, hence the fact they dont prescribe it for adolescents anymore. IIRC someone else on here also went through hell with it. GSK allegedly knew about the issues and covered them up. But i know it HAS worked for some people. The drug that eventually did sort me out IS also on the 'effective list', its still quite rarely prescribed because its expensive. But i wouldnt consider 'recommending' it to anyone, just because I know from experience that drug A can be a disaster for one person and a godsend for another. Its just stupid to try to make a 'league table' of good uns and bad uns.

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I have, in two week bursts every so often. Certainly felt less tired, more energetic, which in itself probably helped to lift mood. I now take Vitamin D supplements all year round. There's no question in my mind that if I slip at all on the big three of sleep, regular eating and regular exercise i'm asking for trouble.

I have depression and take Citalopram, mine is more over analysing things and deciding on the worst outcome.

Often we are all wrong when we worried about something but it's that one time you were right that justifies it all. I have to say my confidence boosted and I do feel better.

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With any of my clients I would never discourage the use of them, if thats whats prescribed go with them.

Its when they talk about reducing the symptoms it really annoys me. Its not the symptoms they should be working on (Im sure you know all this). Its like scooping the froth off a boiling pan. You keep scooping but if the pans still on the heat its gonna keep boiling.

(as I type this I feel a bit of a hypocrite as Im sometimes sponsored by a pharma company to go out and speak to GPs/Drs/anaesthetist ect about the relationship we have with our thoughts & how it can help patient recovery)

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:agree: Medications only deal with the symptoms - finding the cause, which for me, was found going right back to my early childhood (the fear of being abandoned and rejected by my mother). Through Cognitive Analytical Therapy [CAT] and weekly attendance of Al-anon meetings have guided me into making crucial life changes to recover.

Today, I still have moments when I feel anxious - usually at a time when I worry about how someone is going to feel about what I am going to change about myself - then I say to myself that I need to do whats best for me. The anxiety goes and my mind is clear.

Meditation is great too for me. I got a copy of a book by Louise Hay called "You Can Heal Your Life". The exercises and meditations she has in that book have given me the freedom to be true to myself which has took the depression away.

Great thread and thanks to eveyone who has posted for their honesty and strength. The truth sets us free!:thumbsup::hibees

Bumping this thread after reading the Keatings thread on the MB. Been a real help for me and others

Just a thought, but might it be worth adding OCD into the title? It's a very misunderstood condition, and very under-diagnosed as a result. It is also absolutely brutal, particularly the intrusive thoughts. I was completely floored by it 3 years ago, but am pretty much recovered after going tbrough psychiatry, psychology and ocupational health.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primarily_obsessional_obsessive_compulsive_disorde r

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Just read the article about Keatings in today’s Sunday Mail. My heart genuinely goes out to him.
He’s been in such a bad place mentally in the last 12-15 months by the sound of it. It’s so difficult to come to terms with. Being unable to open up and speak to a wider circle of family/friends does regrettably make the situation worse although you just don’t realise that at the time.

It was refreshing to read that he was able to confide in Jason Cummings about how he was feeling. Given Jason’s demeanour, he’s probably not the first person you’d think about to open up to. Good on you Jason!!

What isn’t so clear from the article is whether or not he said anything during his time with us. Although Neil is mentioned as having gone through similar, it doesn’t say if Neil or the club were aware or helped James in any way. I’d like to think they would have but as I said earlier, speaking up about it “in the workplace” can be seen by the individual affected as a sign of weakness and possible thoughts that his career could be affected.

So glad he has now opened up. It’s the first step to recovery and very reassuring that United are fully behind him.

Medications are a bit rubbish TBH. I’ve become so reliant on them which is sad because they tend to dilute every emotion you feel. I’ll never feel like crying on them, conversely I’ll never have a really great laugh at something. I will find things funny but any reaction almost feels like it has to be forced.

I did try coming off of them (albeit a bit too hastily) and after the initial 2 days of feeling positive, I started to feel my old demons coming back. Have started a slow taper in another attempt to get clean.

For anyone considering medication, they definitely can be helpful, however depending on the severity of your illness I’d look to exhaust other options first.

Has anyone gone through this..?

I did my best to battle depression with the aid of medication and support groups.

Now I feel fine, like almost back to normal.

But before where I really didn’t care what happened now it’s a complete turnaround and I’m in such a good mood I’m worried about what will happen to me and/or love ones?

It’s like I’ve gone from one end to the other!

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Has anyone gone through this..?

I did my best to battle depression with the aid of medication and support groups.

Now I feel fine, like almost back to normal.

But before where I really didn’t care what happened now it’s a complete turnaround and I’m in such a good mood I’m worried about what will happen to me and/or love ones?

It’s like I’ve gone from one end to the other!

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I'd celebrate the fact that you can now feel for others, rather than being stuck in that rut of battling your own issues. That's a big step forward IMO.

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Has anyone gone through this..?

I did my best to battle depression with the aid of medication and support groups.

Now I feel fine, like almost back to normal.

But before where I really didn’t care what happened now it’s a complete turnaround and I’m in such a good mood I’m worried about what will happen to me and/or love ones?

It’s like I’ve gone from one end to the other!

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Yeah, I was worried I was bipolar a few months ago; was in such a good mood for weeks that I was at the point of self-diagnosing a manic episode. Turns out that’s just what it feels like to be in a good mood!

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Ha!

It’s just weird that it’s gone from one extreme to the next. The other extreme being for instant getting emotional when I left an empty house after rlbeingbiff with the kids at Easter. Which is weird. So know I know I’m in a better place I’m worried about things happening before they happen. Which was what it was like before.

But now I’m in a good mood it’s still being pessimistic but more so that I know the value of loved ones and even myself to others that I’m worried about that.

This makes a lot more sense in my head! Honest!

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Definitely.

Before I didn’t care about others. Now I think Incaretoo much.

How to I change my user name to Goldielocks?!

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Definitely.

Before I didn’t care about others. Now I think Incaretoo much.

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You'll get burned :greengrin

Seriously, though, you'll find your balance. Being "happy" can be a scary place to be when you've been through the mill.....embrace it.

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Ive been pretty much myself for the past couple of years now, I still have my down days but they are exactly just that & more associated with stressfull days at work.

In relation to what you say above I totally agree. A few months ago my wee Sister (47) was diagnosed with cancer, thus far battling away after her 4th session of chemo. That rocked me & set me back a bit but I had to have that inner strength & get into that train of thought that this is not about me, I have to be strong & give her the support she gave me.

Things didnt get any better. Just after we returned from Berlin for my birthday weekend my Wife was rushed to the Western General with headaches, tingling in her fingers & facial paralysis. She had suffered a stroke & was in hospital for almost two weeks.

Talk about testing mental strength !!

Had this have happened a few years back I honestly dont think I would have coped but at this point in time & with the fantastic support I have had from friends, family & of course folk on this very thread I can offer that support back.

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Ive been pretty much myself for the past couple of years now, I still have my down days but they are exactly just that & more associated with stressfull days at work.

In relation to what you say above I totally agree. A few months ago my wee Sister (47) was diagnosed with cancer, thus far battling away after her 4th session of chemo. That rocked me & set me back a bit but I had to have that inner strength & get into that train of thought that this is not about me, I have to be strong & give her the support she gave me.

Things didnt get any better. Just after we returned from Berlin for my birthday weekend my Wife was rushed to the Western General with headaches, tingling in her fingers & facial paralysis. She had suffered a stroke & was in hospital for almost two weeks.

Talk about testing mental strength !!

Had this have happened a few years back I honestly dont think I would have coped but at this point in time & with the fantastic support I have had from friends, family & of course folk on this very thread I can offer that support back.

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Keep your head held high mate.

If you can channel the support you’ve given you wife and sister over recent weeks into a positive thought stream, I’m sure it will help you come through what is obviously a difficult period for you and your close family.

As you say, returning the support they gave you is making you feel better within yourself even though it seems hard to do. Be as strong as you can for them. All the best.

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Keep your head held high mate.

If you can channel the support you’ve given you wife and sister over recent weeks into a positive thought stream, I’m sure it will help you come through what is obviously a difficult period for you and your close family.

As you say, returning the support they gave you is making you feel better within yourself even though it seems hard to do. Be as strong as you can for them. All the best.

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Cheers mate appreciated, my Sister has a good family, her hubby, sons & daughter as well as my other two Sisters & my elder brother, after the initial shock of seeing my sister (I work in Radiology at RIE) I felt more at ease as I could talk through her procedures etc, that put her mind at ease & in a kinda way helped me cope.

My Wife is on the mend too, her stroke was a shock to us both but funnily enough, her job as an Advanced Nurse Practitioner at the RIE involves working with stroke so she has already a wealth of knowledge of it, that also kinda helped get us through the difficult first couple of weeks. Trying times ahead for the family but we are all strong & supporting each other.

just posted a lengthy and probably rambling post on the Bounce.
I've been really struggling for about 18 months,I've had anxiety and panic attacks previously but time it's totally different it's almost like a fog comes down and I sink into very dark and negative thoughts.
My doctor has been brilliant along with meds she's given me some good websites.Don't think I'd ever be able to go down the therapy route but I'm giving the website a chance.

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just posted a lengthy and probably rambling post on the Bounce.
I've been really struggling for about 18 months,I've had anxiety and panic attacks previously but time it's totally different it's almost like a fog comes down and I sink into very dark and negative thoughts.
My doctor has been brilliant along with meds she's given me some good websites.Don't think I'd ever be able to go down the therapy route but I'm giving the website a chance.

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Good you have an understanding GP, that does help. Keep an open mind to therapy, like you I never thought I would talk to someone but I have now had two therapists and found them to be a real help. Sometimes just talking can help. Hope you get better, anxiety can be awful.

Good to see Coronation Street taking on a suicide storyline. Pretty hard hitting but hopefully it gets the message out there and encourages people to seek help.

This is Mental Health Awareness Week. I really hope people pay attention. I really hope many workplaces, like mine, are offering a programme of events/opportunities to aid their employees. I really hope those of us that suffer from an affliction in our mental health are brave and OK enough join the conversation and keep trying to reduce the stigma. Above all, I really hope all of us that post on this thread are doing OK just now.

I certainly find myself doing a little better just now. The sunshine helps, canning my Facebook account and being less present online and more present in the moment has helped. As has eating better, getting out into the garden (yes I'm only 32, shut it), spending more time with my wife and daughter rather than in the office or on my Xbox and even reading more.

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This is Mental Health Awareness Week. I really hope people pay attention. I really hope many workplaces, like mine, are offering a programme of events/opportunities to aid their employees. I really hope those of us that suffer from an affliction in our mental health are brave and OK enough join the conversation and keep trying to reduce the stigma. Above all, I really hope all of us that post on this thread are doing OK just now.

I certainly find myself doing a little better just now. The sunshine helps, canning my Facebook account and being less present online and more present in the moment has helped. As has eating better, getting out into the garden (yes I'm only 32, shut it), spending more time with my wife and daughter rather than in the office or on my Xbox and even reading more.

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Oi! Gardening is the new rock n roll ill have you know:grr: and de rigueur with the hipster fraternity as well. And scientifically proven to do wonders for mental health.

Hibs.net saved my life.

When I was going through things really badly I used to use .net as a moaning place. Someone on here called the police who came and got me before I did something silly.

Looking back, if it weren't for this thread and .net in general I might not be here any more.

Glad to say I'm in a much better state nowadays but I owe a huge thanks to folks on here.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5vx...TOCyygzV0An7VQ

Good stuff here from CALM. Goalies have problems too :aok:

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When we are in agreement something in this world is either very wrong or very right.

Gardening is great for everything: you, your garden, the environment, other people, critters...

The demand for allotments is ridiculous so I'm grateful to have a decent amount of garden space. There's nothing quite like the physical and mental workout of a good session in the garden and just as good is the rewards that come later. I love growing stuff to eat and my fig and plum tree are my pride and joy. I also wade in with huge amounts of strawberries which are delicious, hugely cheaper than the often tasteless things the shops sell and very good for your physical and mental health.

Dig for victory in every sense.

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Hibs.net saved my life.

When I was going through things really badly I used to use .net as a moaning place. Someone on here called the police who came and got me before I did something silly.

Looking back, if it weren't for this thread and .net in general I might not be here any more.

Glad to say I'm in a much better state nowadays but I owe a huge thanks to folks on here.

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Sorry to hear you went through such an awful period but delighted that you've finally found the light at the end of the tunnel :aok:

Forums like this can often be a good source to vent and speak to people anonymously about how your feeling. Sometimes speaking to strangers is easier than speaking to close ones.

Anybody have any experience of CBD oil?

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I've just started taking it.

Taste is mingin...... [emoji6]

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I've just started taking it.

Taste is mingin...... [emoji6]

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Yea I've heard! Let us know what you think once you've tried it for a bit

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If the expat pensioners in the south of Spain are to go by its a whale of a time, cocoon on drugs.

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I've just started taking it.

Taste is mingin...... [emoji6]

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I’m sure you’ve done plenty research before going for this, but there seems to be a hell of a lot of conflicting stories on the internet about it. Much of it appears to be about the suppliers, and the unfounded claims they’re making, and also the unscrupulous tactics they use.