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Send These Cheating BsStards DOWN
Saved by the Hibees, you were saved by the Hibees.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Saved by the Hibees, you were saved by the Hibees.
Yep. Scandalous.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
She came out and said no rush decisions, not had enough time etc. That says to me that she will vote no to the current proposal. Once sufficient time has passed this stance may well change. But right now, if voting tomorrow, it's a no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
The forward/ creative thinking lines were testing the water/ readying fans for the fact that hibs may well vote for league reconstruction. It floats the idea. I can't see how it possibly benefits hibs.
it's effectively a no voteQuote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
The board should think long and hard about what the supporters would want. We have watched for decades, these cheating barstewards try to buy success, & we are the ones who’ve had to endure years of misery at their hands with their cheating dominance of us. We only want what’s fair. Reconstruction does not benefit anyone but Hearts. Time to let them live in the real world, living within their means. Saving them could come back and haunt us, & give them the cash injection th flourish! Down they must go!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RoYO!
We are all Hibs but maybe LD is not quite all Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
I’ve supported LD on this forum when she was getting a little bit of abuse when hecky was here. I think she has done a terrific job and we are lucky to have her, but....
if she votes to save hearts in any way, shape or form, she will have lost any confidence I have in her.
Can we get a poll on here so we can make it abundantly clear to LD and KP exactly what the fans think.
I understand the reasoning behind voting no and the commercial benefits to the club in finishing the league. I am willing to sacrifice these in order to give hearts exactly what they deserve. Especially after all the years of their financial doping and failing to learn a single lesson.
If LD votes against the fans wishes, it could very well be her undoing.
KP if there is a clear majority of fans wanting LD to vote in favour of these plans can you communicate this to the board?
I reckon 95% or more of Hibs fans are desperate to see Hearts relegated. That’s simply the mindset of any football fan but to what degree do football bosses care about schadenfreude? They think with their heads and not their hearts and, when push comes to shove, they will vote for what is in the best financial interests of their clubs. The tone of LD’s statement ( probably very much shaped by RG ), at first reading, suggests that our bosses favour a solution which would give Hearts a chance of Scottish Premiership survival but that does not mean it is in the forefront of their thoughts ( but I think a lot of Jambo fans will be heartened by her statement ). By towing the UEFA line, I suppose it could be argued that a resumption of league games would/could provide much-needed income and a chance of better prize money for our final league position. However, because of our strength of feeling about their fate, LD and RG are treading a dangerous path as far as fan harmony and relationships are concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
For what it’s worth, my opinion is that the the Corona virus epidemic will continue to rage for a long time yet and they will be forced to finally draw a line, declare the league finished and act accordingly. I think league reconstruction would be a step too far.
Spot on mate, we can’t restructure the whole league system to save them and if they do I’m finished with it and next years ST will be going back. They don’t even stop with the cheating and overspending, they then have to brag about how big they are, natural order etc. If we save them after the season they’ve had and the way they’ve treated their players, I’m out. They would have had a party if they’d got a result v St Mirren and Budge would have been campaigning to leave the league set up as it is. Utter desperation. 😡Quote:
Originally Posted by munchar
After carefull consideration we have to make the league positions stand and send them down, I hope this is what transpires anything else is going to leave a very bitter taste.
I think that's a fair assessment Jim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
I for one want hibs to be considered Edinburgh's premier team. Only show in town. And any time we do get drawn against hearts I want us to absolutely do them. That's football.
The benefit that comes from a weak hearts, toiling in lower divisions, to hibs is clear. Feel good factor, upturn in support a growing fan base, money money money, strengthening or on field performance. With that comes Europe regularly. And so the happy cycle continues.
And if you're in doubt, ask Celtic what it was like having their nearest and dearest rivals out the league for a while! Their model is now one of domination of their rivals (and the rest for that matter).
Sending hearts down can absolutely generate us income. To the same measure, pandering to them could have wide ranging repercussions.
If the club vote to save Hearts the poll will be on whether Gordon and Dempster need forced out or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Season ticket sales will be non existent if they make such a stupid decision on Friday.
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Yep what's more, this didn't need to be said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Emerald
LD could have kept quiet.
I see ST's grinding to a halt now. A bubble has been popped. It has simply cast a shadow on what seems a pretty clear solution to me. It could go as far as to drive a wedge between the board and the fans.
We are a simple bunch. We hate hearts. We love hibs.
We are as close to finishing 11th as we are of finishing 3rd. Defeat to St.Johnstone would probably see us in bottom 6, & we could easily lose enough games to finish in play of spot. With the clubs best interests at Heart, we have to vote finish now. All clubs should vote for whatever suits them. Hearts obviously clutching at straws. Rangers just so as Celtics 9 in a row is questionable. Aberdeen have Motherwell in their sights, but I think they’ll call euro placings on league positions, so why any other club will vote no, I can’t understand. Hypothetically, Hearts could still be safe, win Scottish cup & be in Europe!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Emerald
I agree. LD made a previous decision not to support an independent inquiry into the Sevco fiasco, which fans did not like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If the Club goes against the will of the fans again this time I can see big trouble ahead.
She got a free pass that time because most fans had not followed the issues. I doubt she would be so lucky again.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
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If we were in their position we would take the exact same view as them and hope for league reconstruction but their league record is horrendous, there is no case to be made statistically to give them any hope of survival. They have again overspent spectacularly and in the process still managed a dig at our manager when they appointed Stendel, who still hasn’t managed a win against a bottom six side. They then basically try to blackmail their players without even missing one chaffing home match to accept a 50% cut or be sacked. There are no words to describe there desperation and sleekitness. We HAVE to do the right thing here.Quote:
Originally Posted by munchar
I reckon there’ll be a few clubs working to get the vote delayed so no one rushes in to a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
The option on the table is the one that pisses off the least number of clubs, the fairest option is finishing the season. Obviously it doesn’t look likely that can be done but some clubs are panicking so they can get the prize money while others are on a safer footing and willing to give it a few more weeks before diving in 2 footed.
So budge thinks that the rangers suggestion of prize money is sensible. I haven't seen that they suggested a fair share split so based on standings.
She's happy to take the prize money for finishing bottom but not happy to take the position?
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
3 of us haven't renewed our STs yet. If we vote to save Hearts, or if we vote to extend the league to include more crap teams and less cat As on the season ticket, we won't be renewing.
Will the votes cast be made public ?
They’ll definitely be leaked or clubs will announce how they’ve voted imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs
IMO no football will be played in the UK for many, many month (models now show us heading for the highest death rate in Europe). If Scotland insist on playing these final games in Aug, Sept or Oct, current STs must apply, the majority of Hibs fans will see those home games for FREE and the club will get little extra income in for those games. This will simply draw out the financial pain for clubs, and potentially damage next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
If next season is shortened or impacted through reconstruction then Hibs and other clubs club MUST reduce the price of season tickets including those they have already sold. On top of that, they'll have to renegortiate the new TV deal.
I've not heard of ANY fans looking for a part refund on their current season tickets. Clubs are not having to deal with that pressure, so to see them squirming around shirking the obvious decision is ridiculous. They all need to man up, call the league, stand up to Hearts, Sevco and UEFA and do the right and obvious thing.
I still haven’t heard one person explain how the prize money would be given now but the final standings not confirmed ?
Do Hibs get 7th prize money but end up coming 4th then ?
If the big huns and wee huns could explain how this would work that would be useful.
Thanks
Yep, any Hibs board that doesn't vote to send the bottom team in the laegue down in the circumstances that exist loses my backing.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
Hibs weren't talking reconstruction next season prior to this situation and they'd be complicit in a fix if they suddenly supported it now.
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Just saw the KB stuff, amazing. They're actually still blaming St Mirren for Hawrts glorious failure 34 years ago! Apart from the obvious fact that their destiny was in their own hands, most people aren't aware that, thanks to Sir Albert, a 2 0 victory for Celtic was all they needed to win the league. In fact, despite an unbeaten run of about 300 games, watched by 400,000 every week, Hawrts actually had the worst GD out of the top 4 teams in the league. This was partly down to their poor start but mainly down to them somehow scraping by week after week. I think the Karma was on them!
Hibs want Hearts in the league. Make no mistake on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
I think the board will get a shock at the fans response if they don't vote to send Hearts down. The club will need every bit of goodwill from the support over the next few months - you can see goodbye to a chunk of that if they vote or abstain keeping those cheating ****s in the league.
Hibs as a club - yes. Hibs as a support? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
The club should be very mindful of that.
This is an important point for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoYO!
As others have said, LD did not have to make that statement. Whether she actually means she would potentially vote through reconstruction is up for debate. What is not up for debate is the fuel that has now been added to this fire in the minds of HIbs fans (as can clearly be seen on here since the announcement).
If this drags on a lot longer I for one can not possible buy my season ticket until it comes to a conclusion and I see which way Hibs vote (which I had every intention of doing over the next week or so).
Whilst I do believe they will eventually do the right thing for Hibs (sending the cheating, lying, dictatorship across the road to their grave), LD has dropped the ball big style with that statement.
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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
There are plenty of Hibs supporters who live for derby matches and want hearts in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Hibs decision should be based on whaat's best for Hibs, regardless of the consequences for anyone else.
I don't know one Hibs supporter who would rather Hearts weren't relegated. Not one. And I know a fair few.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
The vast majority of Hibs fans will want Hearts relegated - absolutely no doubt. Look at the poll on this very site for an indication.
Is it really that much of a big deal? It seems to me there is no room for middle ground any more. It’s either over the top joy at the relegation of our greatest rivals or we all have to go to the other extreme and have a hatefest for our own club because they voted for something else. Thousands will not go back. The game’s screwed. We all have to hate our owner and board members. Any excuse really to have a pop at our own club?Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
Can we not just settle for being a wee bit disappointed and move on?
I am sorry, this cannot be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
If by plenty you mean c400-500 out of 100,000, then you may be right. Anything more I would suggest is patently nonesense when chosing whether to relegate them or not.
There is a difference about getting excited for a derby match and wanting Hibs to be the most successful team in Edinburgh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
Of course some will miss the derbies but majority want Hibs winning the Scottish Cup again and getting into Europe.
Plus, we’ll get them in the cup so won’t even be missing out on a derby.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
The whole plan Ron Gordon presented at the AGM was based on growth in our support, and having more and more Hibs fans at games. A successful Hibs team on the pitch would see more Hibs fans being able to attend a game against say Dundee United than against Hearts (assuming we still give them a whole stand). Having Hearts in the league potentially goes against what he says he wants to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
SSN getting on my thruppenies, continually repeating the rangers ‘statement’
Are they the only club in Scotland?
Edit: now adding budge into the mix
I don't think she's saying that at all. She is asking not to rush to a decision. Anyway Ron and Dave Cormack will ensure the proposal is passed. I'd be totally gobsmacked if the lower leagues don't pass it and the spl pass it then wait for the uefa meeting on Apr 23. Folk reading more into this than is there. She's friendly with budge. What do you expect her to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoYO!
Send them down.
That has baffled me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
Not sure Ron is thinking that way. From what Dave Cormack was saying they are only looking at getting through the next few months without any money. It's the smaller clubs who will press for this vote to be passed if,as seems likely,there is no football for months. Too much being read it what seems a sensible statement by Dempster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
From my reading of the article I see LD being diplomatic and not giving away our thoughts before the vote. And I think she goes that way by being pragmatic and wanting to think through the issues.
As a Hibs fan I want LD to say it serves the Duncans right and they should go down. As a football fan I want the right thing for football. And as an accountant I want whatever costs Hibs the least long term. That's probably 3 different outcomes.
Anyway, enough trying to be sensible.
Send the Duncans down.:flag:
Hearts are really struggling now, they have overspent and now are in deep trouble. What did hearts do when we were in deep trouble? Tried to wipe us out. Hibs need to stick the knife into these cheating b**tards
Hibs support is the club without us there isn’t a clubQuote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Why? Say the current structure remains we would have 1 home game v hearts before the split. There is no guarentee both sides would be in the same side of the split. How much would we make from one sell out that justifies losing potential renewals?Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Is there a flat fee given out then final standings given out ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
Again if someone could explain how that would work that would be useful.
It is important because Hibs fans are sick to the back teeth of them getting away with murder every single time. If hibs are complicit in them remaining in the top flight then they will lose a lot of support and it will be a black cloud on Ron Gordon's entire reign. Dempster seems very much of the "lets sweep it all under the carpet and move on" mould every time a big decision needs to be made. I would find it extremely difficult to support a club who continually ignores its own fans on big issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
Can someone set up a Poll to gauge accurately what we as Fans would vote
It know exactly what my vote is League as it is, hearts relagated
The Poll reflecting the immediate termination of Season 2019/20 for the Ladbrokes Championship, League 1 and League 2, without the remaining fixtures in the League being played;
all play-off competitions being cancelled; and
final season placings to be determined by the number of points per game earned by each club in the matches they have played. This would result in the following final divisional tables for Season 2019/20 in the Ladbrokes Championship, League 1 and League 2:
We should do whatever it takes to keep pictures of Queen Anne oot o the media.
Scares my dug.
I agree I think LD is being pretty diplomatic in the statement, one part I took from itQuote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
An abrupt end to proceedings is not her preferred option, although she admits it is preferable to voiding the campaign, which she believes is a non-starter and even more unfair,
I read into this that if push comes to shove then we vote them down.Which is where they should be.
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1 hour ago, OldGorgie said:I assume you mean water and not Zyclone B that’s coming through them? Would be much more amusing to see if was the latter and not the former. Would certainly stamp out the sectarian bile for a bit
I’ve always thought that we should have fitted sprinklers in the Roseburn so that when Hibs, Rangers and Celtic support act in their usual vile manner, we turn the sprinklers on.
it would provide added entertainment value for the Hearts support.
- I know where my sentiments lie.
The Scottish media are particularly bad for reporting statements from Sevco and their fan groups without seeking comment from anyone else to add any kind of balance or sanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
There's no question in terms of football results, league position etc that Hibs would be better off without Hearts on their fixture list. Hibs teams over the decades have seen to that. But the underlying feeling among Hibs fans is that Hearts have cheated their way through many of these years, at our expense.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
Perhaps if we still had the team of 3 years ago, we'd be a bit less bothered about Hearts remaining in the Prem as that would just give us a few more good opportunities to hammer them. But this season shows that the very opposite is more likely !
Ron and Leanne need to tread very carefully here. Ingratiating yourself to Hearts, while brassing off your own fans is not very smart.
I don't have a problem with how you read the article, there is second guessing and speculation going on for sure- I accept that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
What really bothers me is the last paragraph or so. In my mind there was no need to say that. I dont see what else she could be on about other than league reconstruction- but I am happy to be wrong on that!!
That to me says that fulfilling the fixtures is the preferred option, but the alternative of voting them down is the only other option.Quote:
Originally Posted by rodhibs55
Either way, hearts go down 👍🏻
If "moving on" as quickly and efficiently as possible is the priority then it must be a yes vote. At least everyone would know where they stand and start planning for next season, whenever that may be.
It would even let the jambos start plotting how they are going to win the Championship without cheating.
Firstly I want Hearts to be relegated.
On reading the statement I think she is being diplomatic. Does anyone really think reconstruction should be dismissed without finding out what is on offer? It may be that an 18 or 16 team league is proposed with play offs similar to rugby league. Sky offer to increase their offer by millions. Might not be what we want but it would provide excitement. Let's have the discussion then vote on it.
The right answer with Hearts being relegated could still happen.
Unlikely but what happens if every country in Europe managed to finish their league and we have jumped the gun. Unlikely but it could happen. I would rather we didn't have to do a uturn like Belgium.
The liklihood is that the season will not be completed but why rush into a decision without having all the facts?
Let them squirm a bit longer, see some hope and then vote for them to be relegated.
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Originally Posted by PatHead
Like the last sentence
I 100% want them to go down but i think we have to cut the club a bit slack here. With 3 of St Js remaining 4 games away at us & the uglies we are odds on to be in the top 6 & have a decent chance at 5th. If we accept a 7th place finish we'll be losing out on the equivalent of between about 500 & 1200 season tickets sold. Losing 1or 2 home derbies next season is roughly the equivalent of losing another 500/1000 season tickets. In the current climate that's a big hole to fill. I would do it regardless but I would expect/hope LD & RG to act more dispassionately in our club's best interest.
I wont be hating Hibs or hurting Hibs if Hearts don't go down.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
As you say the polarisation of the debate is stupid but normal these days, every discussion on the internet ends up with extreme, over simplified views with the most vocal at either end of the scale.
I'd like to see Hearts go down, it would be well funny, but it wont colour my feelings towards Hibs if they stay up.
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a print out of her face on my fridge would help me greatly in this lock down :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee
Is "desperate" really the to describe your feelings on Hearts going down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
I'd like it and have a laugh but being desperate over it? Nah.
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Ok let's look at the fairness angle. Still games to play and the tarts might win enough to save themselves, however unlikely.
On the other hand they have cheated, remember the timing of their admin!!?? I hope Dundee don't.
They have stolen money. Charities, HMRC, small businesses etc
They have been receiving money from Benny Factor and not disclosing who they are.
They signed players who they could not afford over multiple seasons going back to the 80s!
They have continually racked up debt after debt and pretended to be a big club, flaunting their spending and rubbing it into everyone's faces, particularly ours
There will be more but I can't be arsed thinking about it.
With them being down we have the opportunity to push on as Edinburgh's No1 club and really put our foot in their throat.
So yes we may lose a bit of cash in the shirt term but we need to remember all of the shut that they have got away with and we have had to put up with. Never forget that they are a shower of cheating *******s and there is NO club that deserves to be relegated more than them.
Do the right thing overall and relegated them
but the right thing here is to support a wait and see stance allowing us to play to a finish. All of what you said above are points about hearts based on what they have done off the field you'd be as well adding in they have got a crap main stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real Emerald
The fact is they are 4 adrift with 30 to play for. Celtic are 13 clear with rangers having a game in hand, Dundee Utd are all but up barring a collapse partick thistle are 2 adrift with a game in hand and 26 points to play for.
Id love hearts to go down but I'm want them to have zero comeback on it, they and the others mentioned have got to have the opportunity to play themselves out of trouble open to them up until it becomes clear the only way forward is to call it (possibly June) when the wait becomes too long and looks like effecting next season
Hearts being relegated would be funny.
Hearts only being spared relegation by some nonsensical convoluted stitch up would be funny.
Win / win.
if we help save them it will undoubtedly have an adverse effect on our season ticket sales while relieving the pressure on them and probably giving their ST sales a boost. its a NO FROM ME.
Do the right thing Hibs
No chance. This place will be in absolute, complete meltdown if they are spared relegation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
There is more than a few of them really starting to crack under the very real threat they are doomed. A lot of them kidding on they wont be going to away games or not going at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
Enjoy the championship- Geoff Kilpatrick, Nookie, Special Olympics Doofy, Kingatti. Pleasing!
Looks like the lockdown will be extended until May at the least according to ITV News.
I wouldn’t discount Celtic in any of this neither, they deserve this title and to void it, would really suit the Rangers. Therefore, I can see nothing happening in the short term but bluster.
Totally agree sir. In a nutshell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Maybe so, but we’ll get at least a few years of shutting them up when they start their nonsense by reminding them how lucky they are to even be in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfc rd
If we save them, it’s on the explicit understanding that they are our bee-atches for the next 10 years, irrespective of results between the sides.
😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee
Even if the lockdown measures were eased in May, although I imagine them being in place until at the earliest the beginning of June, social distancing is going to be the norm until much much later. I cannot see any football until early autumn at the very earliest. Are we going to have the never-ending season just to suit three or four clubs, no other wise there will only be a handful of clubs left in Scotland. I can understand the reluctance to call it so early but at some point it will, probably early summer. Null and void is off the table and honestly league reconstruction will just be a joke, 14 teams you’re avin a laff.
Indeed. Every time she rolls out another rambling statement it guarantees her face is plastered all over the sports pages. It's a nauseating sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee
IMHO the season is over as it stands. Avg points per game will be used to decide the standings... probably at the start of June when it really kicks in to peoples minds that social distancing measures are the new norm. And the focus shifts on a decisive starting point for the next campaign, rather than dragging the unfinished season out much longer.
Hearts are down as far as I am concerned. Not a ball shall be kicked in anger in at least the next 3 months.
There's be nothing funny about the second circumstance, especially if Dempster is complicit in it. She's got previous for not following the views of the supporters of the club she's currently employed by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
This is bang on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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Originally Posted by Peevemor
Nope. This is a time for people to see the bigger picture.
Sevco and Hearts are acting like bratty wee toddlers but the grown ups need to make the best decisions in the circumstances.
If we can’t play football until June this season is dead. Hearts fans knew they were likely finishing 12th a month ago - they need to accept their fate.
Money has stayed the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
The whole point of relegation is to remove the worst performing teams from a league and allow more deserving, better performing teams to enter it. Keeping Hearts in the top flight, however it may happen, would just weaken the league and dilute the quality. They've got to go.
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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Quote from Jambos Way back :rolleyes:
"Hearts are a club with a glorious history of trying to do the right thing, most of the time, during war and peace. What have we done to these people to attract this venom?
I’m not one for holding grudges, generally, but if this stitch up succeeds, I won’t set a foot inside another Scottish ground unless Hearts can gain financially from it. It’s time to take a stand against this.
Just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you. "
Oh dear where to start.
Correct, she could have said NOTHING, I dont get this statement at all what is she trying to tell us?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoYO!
SIX season tickets from our family affected if Hibs/LD vote to save them, they deserve to go down leave them to it!!
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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes
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Originally Posted by RoYO!
When she says nothing she gets stick. When she says something she gets stick too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
She was obviously contacted by the EEN for a reaction. What she said is absolutely fine by me as there's no easy answer.
This is my take on it:
It would be best for EVERYONE, not Hibs or Hearts etc, but the whole of Scottish football if we can finish the season. Then there’s no ifs & buts. Best team wins, worst relegated. Realistically, there seems to be no quick end to this pandemic. The only option may be to play behind closed doors? Clubs don’t want this because of lost income. Extend the season? Clubs will have players out of contract who they may not want or be able to afford to keep on, but leaves them short of numbers. Especially lower league clubs, who probably have targets already identified & agreed for next season. Clubs are also reliant on prize money which will be budgeted for. Even if it’s last prize. Again, this could be the difference of smaller clubs staying afloat or ultimately folding! It looks like the tv deal is in place, worth millions. Will this become null & void if we decide to change our structure? Or is there pressure being put on to keep all the bigger teams together for tv purposes? Logically, we should do our utmost to put next season on hold & finish this season whenever that may be. If we have to play 2/3 times weekly to catch up, so be it. They’re athletes. As said previously though, MOST clubs NEED their prize money to survive. Release some players to cut the wage bill, plan for next season. None of this can happen with the uncertainty. If we can’t start back by July/August, it should be unanimously agreed that there is no alternative but to finish as it stands. In the meantime, I’m sure we can pay all the clubs the minimum payment of last place to keep ticking over. Reconstruction etc is a disgrace, as it’s never been mentioned until now. You can’t award titles to the current best teams but not relegate the current worst teams? Play offs are different. These teams only might have a chance of success. Partick I’d feel sorry for, as they have a game in hand for safety, but the tables don’t lie. It’s not 8 games into the season where it’s a false table, but 8 to go, where nothing much is likely to change. Rangers, Hearts, Patrick, Falkirk etc are unfortunate, but all have had roughly 30 games to put themselves in a better position. Unfair they may say, but the world is unfair just now.
I can’t believe the amount of HIBS fans making threats against the club
We’ll vote what suits us, and not anyone else
Did he mention the Lady Haig poppy fund, the Macraes Battalion trust or the Big Hearts charity by any chance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
All illustriously named on Hearts very own creditors list, the list of shame.
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It’s the same over the road too. “Fans” saying they won’t be back if AB doesn’t take the league to court. Some people are just a wee bit special.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
If it came down to it, why would it be in hibs best interests to artificially reconstruct the league to keep them in it?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
The fans DON'T, we are happy with a one, two or three season break and will not miss these cheating bassas.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Why would it suit the club (as a whole, remembering all the support is the club spiel we get from time to time when it’s time to buy season tickets) to vote against the proposal?
And is exactly what I'm getting at with my post. They seem to believe they are untouchable no matter what they do, they seem to think they are special, they seem to think rules do not apply to them no matter the situation, they seem to believe that every one should be grateful to them for something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy7nil
**** them as a club and **** every last one if their delusional support. As a collective they are as thick as **** and have no sense if reality.
Them going down is the ONLY right and fair decision. I have said it over many threads they are not only the worst team this season but for the last 12 months where football was played. If anyone ever deserves to go down it those poppy theiving *******s
It might be, but we might want to play behind closed doors, as we feel we can move up the leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee Marvin
What’s the difference between 7th and 4th, quite a bit I bet
Not what I've been told.For a start the League doesn't know what it's going to get as some of the broadcast deals income is unlikely to be paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
I can absolutely understand the strength of feeling from hibs fans in this highly emotive situation. Playing in the top league and getting one over your neighbours to many is the be all and end all. That's not hibs hearts specific, that's football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
We have all been on the end of some of the worst results in our history, in recent times, but good luck getting them to acknowledge the fact that their business model, for my entire life, has been based on winning at all costs. No matter the cost, or fallout. Win.
Simply put hibs cannot be seen to support this.
Firstly, we are not finishing the season. It's just not happening despite everyone wanting that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
They will eventually call the leagues as it's the only option, at which point reconstruction will be put to a vote.
Why would hibs voting to do so benefit Hibs?
Was the idea not to pay out prize money based on the lowest possible finish and then top up later on as the positions are finalisedQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenCastle
It comes down to money.
If Hibs are saying "let's not rush this" then that is because we can afford to do that....
..but Hearts & Rangers cant afford to hold on.
They need to pay staff & overheads in May.
They dont have cash in the bank to make payment.
They *need* the SPFL cash in April.
So the 2 clubs with most to lose here, are the 2 clubs who cant afford the time to debate it.
It will be either Hearts, or Rangers, who will make the distressed phone call to the SPFL later this month saying "ok, ok, whatever it takes, just give us the money, please"
Exactly. I would assume there will be lengthy discussions or even a vote to decide at a later date for the league to conclude prematurely, eventually. That’s not on the cards at all at the moment. This is to vote on what is to happen if the season can’t finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Marvin