I'm surprised anyone could work out what he meant by that rambling incoherent speech. Apparently what Europe is doing is "an atrocity". He's a lunatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
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I'm surprised anyone could work out what he meant by that rambling incoherent speech. Apparently what Europe is doing is "an atrocity". He's a lunatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Wouldn't be the first time. He put 25% tariff on Scotch in 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
A fine industry but it’s not enough for a country of 70m + people.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Tbh, I was thinking more about its effect on the Scottish economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As Grunt says, it's been done before. I've just read a piece that says it caused a 35% reduction in exports.
Here's what the political editor of the BBC thinks ...
"tantalising". "gift".
Starmer needs to clear the lying Tories out of the BBC and restore some pride in our national broadcaster.
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And on the subject of the BBC, on a day when the world's stock markets are in freefall, isn't it a shame that the BBC has removed the page from their business website that displays the market numbers? We're being kept in the dark, the BBC hiding / not reporting / down playing bad news.
I don't really see what is all that wrong with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Having read the rest of that wee bit on the BBC site it doesn't seem to be overly pro Tory, Trump or anything else.
On this occasion...
"Tantalising"Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Adjective: "causing excitement, interest and desire". What Trump has done over the weekend has caused none of these. In fact, the complete opposite - fear, uncertainty and dread.
Is it not referring to the situation he's placed Starmer in as he goes to Brussels - whilst tariffs are being thrown about left, right and centre, the prospect of the UK maybe avoiding tariffs is "tantalising", placing him in a spot where he may have to think further about our closeness to the US vs Europe?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
You're right off course but (millionaire) journalists see themselves as immune from the consequences, don't actually give a monkeys about "ordinary hard working people" and Trump's policies/announcements give them hours of easy gum-bumping on their rolling news shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
They are thrilled he is back.
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Labour MP for the Western Isles.
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....Yep,well said m8:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Trump seams ashamed of the fact his mother came from poverty, which is actually good for us, can you imagine the fat orange nightmare cutting about in a kilt and bigging up his Scots routes. Mortifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'd be inviting Trump over to check first hand that his old mum's house and his hotels and golf courses are all adequately fireproofed in the event of tariffs being applied to the UK.
Because you never know what folk might do.
This will effect is whether we get tariffed or not. I expect the dollar to strengthen and the pound to weaken which will increase the likelihood the Reeves and Starmer have to go full austerity. Some rough time ahead for everyone globally with a full blown trade war. Globalisation is about to unwind at speed and it won’t be pretty for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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as a gael, i cannot put into words how ashamed i am of torcuil crichton - literal nausea reading that. this is utterly, utterly disgusting, especially from a Labour politician. the last thing we want is to be seen as Trump's 'home' - even worse, for him to see us as some sort of home...Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
This is how the media SHOULD be reporting Trump's actions ...
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Originally Posted by Kato
I don't like Trump, he's a fanny, I find some of the things he comes out with funny, in an ideal world we wouldn't have anything to do with him but it's not an ideal world, his decisions can really affect people's lives going forward, including here, if we have to butter him up a bit then so be it I'm afraidQuote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
Absolutely agree, in the real world you deal with the most powerful man in the world in a practical way. If it helps businesses in Scotland then you welcome him and work with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Pound strengthed in a big way against euro today and grew against the dollar and all other currencies bar the yen (due to tariff news). 10 year gilts down tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It should affect the US economy more than most others and with Germany in recession and having a manufacturing economy it will affect the EU too. We've already destroyed our manufacturing industry and since it's a services economy, its not expected to hurt us that much. Could be a boom time for Scottish whisky if Canadia and Ireland both get priced out the US
I sincerely hope that the Scottish Government are in no way being seen to pander to that fascist.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
It could work out nicely for the UK if we stay on side with Trump, particularly Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
If he ‘punishes’ the rest of the world and offers us a trade deal it could work
Well.
I hate trump the same as most people on here but the UK government have to work with him.
The only problem I can see is Starmer cozying back up to Europe. Can’t imagine Trump being too supportive of that. Although if Starmer can pull it off, he would be onto a winner.
Closer ties with Europe - good for growth
No tariffs from the USA and potential trade deal - good for growth.
Sounds promising until you realise it’s Starmer and Reeves
I've just seen that Canada has a small trade surplus with the US. Does this mean the yanks are trying to butter them up for a fascist takeover too?
it's all to do with their oil. Trump wants it, because a) it's oil and b) because it's the basis of the US's deficit towards Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tubs
Scotland also has oil, which gives me the brown trousers feeling. This is what we're walking into by chumming up to him. Not to mention the insane data harvesting that Musk is up to. Imagine the power the pair of them would have if granted access to the kind of personal information they're imbibing from the treasury...it's genuinely very dystopian and scary, and no amount of pragmatism is going to avoid it if said pragmatism amounts to becoming his lapdog (which, lets be real, is the only relationship he'll be satisfied with).
It's a wee deficit, but, aye, it's always about resources. Are there any potential fascist puppets in Canada like the AfD?Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper
Yeah me too, I'm all for supporting fascist lunatics if the whisky industry does well out of it and there's a knock-on reduction in Scottish income tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
In the long-term, any advantage in being the bully's sidekick is unlikely to help us. This will end at some point, and he won't always be there. In the meantime, he'd be a fickle and untrustworthy pal, very possibly with increasing demands if we're to be allowed to hang on to his coat-tails. He has a long-term pattern of forcing his cohorts to subjugate themselves, then throwing them under the bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I'd personally much prefer it if we stood together with the rest of his targets and made clear that bullying countries into submission or attempting to seize control of them is unacceptable. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, we don't need to be Trump's Belarus.
All the tax on whisky goes to London does it not?Quote:
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No. He's an evil lunatic. If we want to be proud to be Scottish we should have nothing to do with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
No. He's an evil lunatic. If we want to be proud to be Scottish we should have nothing to do with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Tax on staff costs stays in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
So, if tariffs affect production, there is a knock-on effect on the tax take in Scotland economy. Both in terms of whisky employees, and the wider community where they have spending power.
The duty and the VAT, which is probably what you meant, goes to London, together with the Corporation Tax.
He's a lunatic with the ability to make people's already hard life even worse, in the real world if that means playing nice for 4 years then the Government need to be pragmatic and deal with himQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Ever hear of Neville Chamberlain, at all? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Here we go, knew someone would come out with something like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
There is a huge difference to holding your nose and swallowing something to try and avoid tarrifs that will majorly affect your already crumbling economy and what Chamberlain tried to do
It's really easy to have an idealised view on what you should do when you don't have the livelyhood of 65m people at stake
Also im speaking specifically about avoiding tarrifs, if he starts invading Canada, Mexico, Greenland and Panama is when you can tell him to go **** himself
Sorry. Still a "no" from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Rumours of a one month pause in Mexican tariffs due to Mexico promising to put 10,000 soldiers on the northern border to stop people and drug smuggling
Spot on, too many people don't seemingly live in the real world. I wonder how they would feel if they worked in the Whisky industry and their job and house etc was at stake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
What I said, in no way represented supporting a fascist lunatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Trump said the UK could be exempt, which could be good for the UK and Scotland.
If we had to bow down and kiss hiss ring whilst claiming ‘All Hail Trump’. That would be supporting a fascist lunatic, however hearing his words and saying it could be good for the UK is far from it.
What do you think he might want in exchange ...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I think that's valid up to a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
Different people will have different tolerance levels for Trump's pish and what it means.
For some, he reached and breached that point long ago.
For others, there may remain room for pragmatism for a bit longer.
I'm not much of a fan to pandering to the likes of Trump. Bullies need confronted early and forcefully, never emboldened.
Is it wise to ruffle his feathers too much too early though? Maybe not. Starmer is probably being reasonably smart in keeping options open for now.
Britain has a history of trying to ride more than one horse at the same time and is occasionally successful with it.
Is all of Income tax and NI devolved? Don’t we only have small variance power on income tax and no power over NI?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Income Tax is devolved, and we keep all of it. NI isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The pedant , and the tax exam marker, in me doesn't define NI as "tax", albeit many do. The scamps.
Only partially devolved though?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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I see he has bottled it with Mexico. Delayed a month.
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Might not want anything more than to divide the UK from Europe for as long as possible. Putin, China and Trump all have the break up of the EU as wishes, so it's in all their interests to be setting major European economies against each other. So yeah, let's try and get a few hundred £million ahead of the Irish, that's the main thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
By the time Hitler walked into Czechoslovakia the writing was already on the wall and Chamberlain's appeasement was already meaningless as the chance to stop Hitler had already past. That should have been done once Hitler started disobeying international treaties, in particular the Treaty of Versailles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
The final straw was when he put 22,000 troops into the demilitarised Rhineland, that could have easily been put down by the Allies and by not doing so they handed Hitler back Germany's industrial heartland and with it the ability to build his war machine. Fascists like Trump need to be resisted from the start, not after they have all their ducks in a row.
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No problem, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they did come out with something like that.
And me too. He is a bully who needs someone to stand up to them and hopefully Europe does that. If the world bends the knee we will just get more and more Trump types in positions of Political power.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Nope, not fascist at all. Not in the least.
Please note I no longer have access to Twitter to check this post.
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For employment income, which is what we are talking about in relation to the whisky industry, it's fully devolved. SG sets the rates and bands. HMRC collects it, and remits it to the SG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The UK don’t sell that many goods to the US, it’s service dominated. We don’t buy many goods either. I can’t think of anything I would want to buy from the Us. Wouldn’t want their cars or food. Love a JD though.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
With Trump it could be anything, we might get Tariffs, we might not.
Hes threatening everyone with tariffs but said the UK are doing ok. What he wants? No one knows but he does like the UK, he put the Winston Churchill bust back in the Oval Office.
Let’s hope he just leaves us alone
Didn’t realise HMRC collected it! Always thought we had a scottish tax office!Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
What an absolute dick. Imagine him on a bus to a Hibs away game. He'd last about 5 minutes of slagging off then burst into tears.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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So much for making X the bastion of free speechQuote:
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It's fakeQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Well I'm convinced now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
World leading diplomacy.Quote:
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Still a dick.Quote:
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Think I'd better stop posting altogether.Quote:
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Definitely. He doesn't have to openly say it anyway as he just does it ie amplifying far right loons and shadow banning anti Trump voicesQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
In fairness, it's harder than ever before to draw the line between real and fake. Much harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
There are real things that are plain ridiculous. There's also no shortage of people with reasons to put out fake stuff.
I don't have any issue when someone posts something in good faith that turns out to be fake.
That the likes of Musk thrive and prosper in an environment where such doubt exists is not a coincidence.
Seen a lot of these types of comments but I’m not sure you are representing UK trade with the US overly accurately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
The Department for Industry and Trade says that, on an individual country level, the US is the UK’s largest trading partner accounting for 17% of all U.K. trade.
£60bn in goods (equivalent to 2 whole months of annual total goods exports) and £125bn in services.
We also run a trade surplus on both counts (just on goods and massively on services)
And that’s before you account for any FDI and the like.
So the pretence that somehow the US market is not overly important for the U.K. economy is, I would politely suggest, rather incorrect. Any market making up nearly 20% of your trade is one to pay attention to.
Yea but who cares about the economy and jobs and all that boring stuff when you can feel better about yourself and say we should tell Trump where to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
Meanwhile in the real world....
Tariffs for Mexico and Canada on hold for at least 30 days
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Both Mexico and Canada tariffs halted for a provisional 30 days each.
Like most I can’t really tell the reason for the tariffs but Trumps narrative looks to be around strengthening borders and both counties have now made commitments to do so.
In reality nothing might change for the average American and fentanyl will still run rampant, but in terms of American public opinion, has Trump just played an absolute blinder?
I can’t find any reason for the speculated about tariffs on the EU though? What is he demanding there?
He has played it really well, he wanted the borders strengthed and he has got those assurances by using the strength of the US. Next we need to see if the Mexicans and Canadians follow through but on the face of it he has got what he wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
There's an argument he's got something from Mexico, but what can Canada do? I'd imagine they have a surplus of drugs and criminals coming from the US and I doubt they can do much about the little immigration from the north.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
It's shown, after the tameness of Petro, that you can stand up to the bully so I'd say he's lost there.
Could they just be gaming the markets? Absolute crackpots.
Mexico did this before (but a larger number of troops, IIRC.) It didn't make a difference. The majority of drugs coming over the border are being brought in vehicles by Americans through official crossing points.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
Mexico haven’t strengthened anything. The 10k troops are there already due to a deal with Biden. Canada haven’t done a thing. Mexico got Trump to commit to stopping guns flowing into Mexico.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
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Quite. And Canada's plans for the border are the one they announced in December. Basically, everyone's doing what they were already doing it planning to do, and Trump's claiming it as a brilliant deal - and backing down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
In the real world we have a criminal fascist bully sowing seeds of discontent, not only inside the US but across the world, encouraging racial hatred, abolishing hard fought for equal rights for minorities, cuddling up to other fascist dictators, releasing en mass supporters that attempted to overthrow a democratically elected government on his request, has surrounded himself with fascist megalomaniacs and is threatening to invade sovereign countries. I could go on but what's the point, none of it would convince you that sucking up to a fascist isn't a good idea or even simply utterly spineless.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
Apologies for the length of this or if it’s repitiition. Saw it on FB. I have never read such an accurate description of the monster.
Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"
Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:
"A few things spring to mind.
Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.
For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.
So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump's limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.
I don't say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.
But with Trump, it's a fact. He doesn't even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.
And scarily, he doesn't just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It's all surface.
Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.
Well, we don't. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.
And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath.
All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.
Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.
He's not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.
He's more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.
That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.
There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy' is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.
After all, it's impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.
God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.
He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:
'My God... what... have.. I... created?
If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."
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Shame. It will get worse for the swasticar.
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Trump says " I hope Gazans won't want to return". What a horrible excuse for a human being he is, but let's suck up to him because there might be something in it for us. Anyone who wants to pacify this monster has zero integrity.
Allowing the Israelis to take Gaza is a huge win for his right-wing, medieval Christian supporters. Who see an all Jewish "Holy Land" as another step towards JC's second coming. Foreign policy run along the lines of nonsense superstition. (Not to mention all that beach front real estate.)Quote:
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So... Trump is in a press conference with Netanyahu and has announced that the population of the Gaza Strip is going to be evacuated, the US will take ownership of the land, level it and build. Asked if this is a permanent ownership, he says he sees it being a long-term situation.
Jesus.
Edit: he says he wants to see a middle-eastern riviera, and that's the land they need to do it.
If we're lucky, they might throw a few building contracts our way. Business is business and we have to live in the real world.Quote:
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Las Gaza, the place we we all need to put on our bucket list for a holiday destination.
Don't be silly, we can't be giving it a foreign sounding name.Quote:
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Musky, in honour of his best bud.Quote:
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I think there should be a competition to come up with the name for the 52nd State, after Canada is confirmed.
Trump will want "The Riviera Of America" because that's got no foreign words in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Sorry to European, apparently Italian according to Google.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Beruit used to be the Riviera of the Middle East back in the 50s and 60s.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
With everything with Trump hopefully his insane comments are just rhetoric and there is some negotiation to be had.
No way Jordon and Egypt are going to take the Palestinians and no way the Palestinian people are going to just leave.
I think the whole world is reeling from it apart from Netanyahu
I shouldn't laugh but I do look forward to those whose comment this is aimed at, response 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
This was the kind of thing I was referring to, rather than simply saying GTF Donald Trump.
"The first minister has vowed to use Donald Trump's affinity for Scotland in a bid to avoid the prospect of tariffs being applied on imports to the US.
John Swinney said he had expressed the importance of trade between the countries, especially Scotch whisky, during a call he held with the US president-elect last month"
"John Swinney said he had expressed the importance of trade between the countries, especially Scotch whisky, during a call he held with the US president-elect last month."
"I will use that as a basis of proceeding with negotiations in discussions with President Trump.
"What he also said in the call was if I ever needed a further conversation with him, he'd be very welcome to taking that forward."
Well done John Swinney for engaging with Trump and protecting the needs of businesses and jobs in Scotland even although he may have had to do it biting his tongue. It seems if some had their way this conversation would never have taken place and the desire would be for Swinney to basically tell Trump to GTF and if tariffs then followed impacting thousands of jobs in Scotland then so be it.
Ethnic cleansing.Quote:
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The guy is a ****ing lunatic.
Some US Palestinian supporters that were saying don't vote for Biden due to him being complicit, really played the wrong hand now Trump is letting Israel take Gaza. Genocide of millions of people. As said Egypt and Jordan won't accept Palestinians I don't see where they go, why doesn't Trump welcome them
Truly hideous time in world history, the Jewish nation complicit in ethnic cleansing on this scale was just inconceivable until the felon in the White House got together with the internationally indicted Netanyahu, who will always do whatever is required for his personal survival.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Reading about the Holocaust has always meant I've had sympathy with the Jewish people's cause but it's at a crossroads now.
American's might be about to become embroiled in a real mess where it's unlikely their leader will get whatever he wants out of it. And at a time where many were under the impression they'd be less involved in conflicts abroad.
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I think it's interesting that the Saudis have come out quickly and said there will be no normalisation of their relationship with Israel without a Palestinian state. Saudi support had for Palestine had been reported as waning somewhat in recent times and there had been talk a deal with Israel was close not least because of their mutual distrust and proxy conflicts with Iran and their membership of the Arab-Israeli Alliance.
The Saudi reaction to Trump seems to slam the door on that in the short to medium term and that is an ally Trump can't **** off without strategic and economic consequences. The US needs Saudi Arabia onside whether they like to admit it or not.
Agree with all of that, the irony of de facto despots blocking wannabe despots.Quote:
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Swinney was right to stand up for Scottish business and he’s also right to call out ethnic cleansing.Quote:
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Doubt we’ll hear same from Starmer.
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Netanyahu and Trump really make for a ghastly combo, possibly even worse than Trump and Musk.
I hate people who see simple solutions to incredibly complex, multifaceted problems and there will be enormous consequences if and when they blunder further into this.
Swinney should be thinking of the Scottish economy and its whisky industry. He's got no business telling King Trump what to do. He should stay quiet, it might upset Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As Swinney has rather finely demonstrated you can do both, call out his actions but at the same time engage and if required enter discussions that protect the businesses and jobs in Scotland. Tens of thousands of jobs in Scotland will depend on trade with the US, as FM of Scotland he has to acknowledge and understand that and he is doing a fine job of that at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I saw an interesting thing the other day where someone was saying that all you really need to do with Trump is to allow him to declare a victory of sorts on TV. The reality of the situation doesn't matter so much. The Canadian and Mexican situations (where Trump paused the tariffs in response to measures the Canadians and Mexicans were bringing in anyway) were an example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
So it might be possible for Swinney to do both here, potentially.
I'm one of those who is very uncomfortable with appeasement when a line has clearly been crossed though.
As an avowed Zionist there is no chance of him saying the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He’ll be keen to know if the water and electricity are still cut.[emoji106]Quote:
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