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Originally Posted by Colr
I suppose the silver lining to the Brexit cloud is it's largely stopped the Tories having time to **** anything else up. Even Chris Grayling.
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Originally Posted by Colr
I suppose the silver lining to the Brexit cloud is it's largely stopped the Tories having time to **** anything else up. Even Chris Grayling.
How convenient, starts to bubble as the last words of her prepared speech are uttered. Call me a sceptic but it was all staged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
If we want to make sure Brexit doesn't happen then Grayling becoming PM is the best thing that could happen. He ****s up literally everything he touches so Article 50 would be revoked within a week whilst he sat trying to remember his own name and wondering what's going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
We’re constantly told that we’re part of a union of equals, but Scotland isn’t an equal partner, we’re a junior partner. We have to accept whatever England votes for.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
Naw, I think she realised that it was the end of her meal ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Parties will have a better idea of how voting went and it is possible that no tories will be going to Brussels.
Basically she was 2-0 up and she ****ed it up.
I’ve gone independent for local and green European (West of Ireland)..
She’s not that good an actress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
We also thought she couldn't dance. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
We have invented a new form of democracy. Elective anarchy!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Less like that under New Labour but the current lot have blown that up!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Breaking down as she croaks about the country she loves yet everything she did was about her party. She will go down in history as one of the most incompetent PM’s ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
A proportionally equal partner that is a 10th the size, no? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Crying for herself. Not a tear for the Grenfell victims, disabled and homeless. Hostile environment to hard working immigrants. Windrush scandal. Bangs on about ending Austerity! Your party used Austerity as a tool to dismantle the welfare state.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Not one tear until she loses her power. Crying out of frustration of her own failed legacy. Crocodile tears.
J
Proportionally equal isn’t equal. Small nations in the EU are equal no matter what their population is. The frustration that Scotland can decide one thing, but the UK can just ignore it is for most people the reason for supporting independence. We’re not a region of the UK we’re a country, and the empty rhetoric from Westminster about us being equal partners and the vow that was made before the independence referendum about a near federal UK has only gone on to reinforce the view of being ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
How many MEPs does Scotland have? 6 population 5 millionQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
How many MEPs does Malta have? 6 population 460,000
An independent Scotland in Europe would have 13 MEPs based on population. Think we are equal in the UK, not in the slightest.
Proportionally equal is being equal though, that's how things work. Unless you think Scotland should have a proportionally 10x stronger say in things in order to be considered equal. Different countries in the EU get a different number of MEPs :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
I think "Scots decide one thing and UK just ignore it" isn't necessarily how it works either. It could just as easily work the other way, it's just 10x less likely. It's not an active decision to ignore Scottish votes, there's just not as many of them.
So you are happy with Malta having the same number of MEPs as Scotland with a 10th of the population?Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Yes, but they also get direct representation on the Council which is considerably more powerful. They even get a veto on particularly important things.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
The configuration of the UK isn't particularly unfair when you consider what it actually is: a unitary state with a certain amount of asymmetric regional devolution. It's the disingenuous bull**** from Unionism to try and pretend it's something else that really grates.
It’s not me that’s saying Scotland should have 10x as much say as we deserve. We are constantly told by unionist politicians that Scotland is an equal member of the UK. We’re not equal we’re as you say proportionally equal, which is utterly meaningless when important decisions need to be taken. We don’t have a veto on anything and we rarely get the government we vote for.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Yes it’s just another example of how we lose by being part of an unequal union.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The amount of Irish people working in Brussels representing Ireland dwarfs the number of Scots there. Not just the MEP’s but civil servants etc working on committees, lobbying and generally making sure Irish interests are looked after.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
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It’s simple for me. The people who live in Scotland should decide everything for the people of Scotland.
Whether that is deciding to cede some policy to the EU or not. It’s the choice for the people of Scotland to make. No one else.
J
Add that to the fact that they have the whole of the EU behind them during the brexit negotiations, while we have a government who would gladly throw us to the wolves if it kept extreme factions in their party quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Why would they stage that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Are you seriously saying robots can cry???Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Yes. There is a minimum representation per country of 6, so they shouldn't have any less. Representation then increases proportionally and the UK gets ~70, Scotland gets it's equal share of that.
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Okay, so the grievance is with interpretations of the term equal. I don't think any unionists argument of us being in an equal union stretches to "Scotlands" voice being equal to "Englands" but rather that the voice of a Scottish person is equal to the voice of an English person.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
In breaking news Nicola Sturgeon feels the resignation of Theresa May means we need Independence. Who would have thought.
She also managed to demand a General Election, another EU referendum and a further Independence referendum in her short statement today and all of them before 2021.
Just what the country needs.
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Originally Posted by James310
Aye Scotland, wtf do you expect the First Minister of Scotland to say?
Well, either that or another tory clusterboorach. I know what will be better for Scotland and it has nothing to do with whoever is going to be the next, unelected by the people of the UK, prime minister.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
In other news, I see that the poll of Hibees has an 88% remains majority, otherwise known as the will of the people.