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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Sorry, I thought it was yours. 😮
Apologies, it's been a long day. 😉
I’m struggling how anyone could see this as a constitutional issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
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Totally agree, but it is being used by some as a"Scotland can't possibly govern itself because if this fiasco" by a lot of people. Mostly people who want to keep us tied to a government who has wasted billions on tack and trace, HS2 massively overspent, ditto Crossrail, ditto aircraft carriers, spent £50m on a ferry company that didn't actually have any ferries, 900k on a bridge survey that every expert told them couldn't be done etc etc. The ferry issue has Ben handled badly and the government should be accountable but ffs let's get it in perspective. The BBC in Scotland have been leading with this and following the FM about for a fortnight now which would be fine if they held others to that same standardQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Not so much that I picked it, it was what they were discussing on the news on the radio.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Are you meaning on the existing boats or the new ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
That’s what you get in the existing boats.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I'd imagine there is a requirement for some on-board accommodation to cater for staff who may be seconded on to these boats but don't live within commuting distance? Plus there will be maintenance required while in port, but it's the scale of the staff facilities (including gyms?!) which seems excessive for such relatively short routes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
FWIW I once got the ferry to Colonsay regularly for a work contract and the on-board staff were all local folk.
So the guy on the news was asking why we need to move from this to the fancy catering with over 50 staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
If there's no silver service now, we don't need it in the future, do we?!!
I didn't hear the guy on the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
did he confirm that there would be silver service on both new ferries?
did he say there was to be 50 staff on each ferry, or in total?
did he mention the 40% increase in space that would help expand the economies of Jura and Islay?
Has anybody said that Cal Mac are going to be providing silver service dining? These ferries are for the Islay crossing which takes two hours, there has to be some form of catering, I’d imagine the offering will be pretty much in line with what it is now. There certainly won’t be over 50 staff employed in hospitality services on board. Somebody is making stuff up to suit their own argument. (Not you I hasten to add.)Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Passengers wanting to eat on a long journey and crews getting basic gym facilities and a bed of their own whilst they live and work away from home. It’s needless opulence I tell you. :greengrin
Why does Norway need 11 staff but us 50. Why do we need catering for a 2 hour journey buy Norwegians don't for longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Things have come a long way since Ben-Hur was a galley slave! I wonder if the crew gym even has a rowing machine!!
I'm sure the crew gym doesn't make it double the price. More needing catering for 2 hour journeys and multiple times the staff of NorwayQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack
The silver service comment was me being cheeky with marinello!Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I think he said 50 for each boat but I could be wrong.
He only talked about the Ardrossan crossing.
He also said something about them being too big for the port there and that they would have difficulty turning or something.
I dunno, it was just something I caught on Drivetime on the way home from work last week. He was some sort of shipping expert that had something to do with ferries!
I'm just passing on what I heard. Happy to accept I maybe picked some info up wrong.
Do you really think that someone would have commissioned the design, development and build of a ferry which was "too big" for the port it is intended for ????Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
https://www.ardrossanherald.com/news...t-ready-ferry/Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Ardrossan Harbour: 'no way the port would be ready' for ferry'
North Ayrshire’s Council leader has spoken of a “systemic issue” around the delivery of projects involving ferries.
He said such obstacles have made it “virtually impossible” that Ardrossan will be ready to host the new delay-hit Glen Sannox vessel if it is finally completed next summer.
Council leader Joe Cullinane hit out after councillors probed the possibility of further delays in an estimated £40 million plan to upgrade Ardrossan Harbour, to allow it to host the troubled vessel.
Edit: you are correct the new ferry was designed for the new harbour, but the new harbour looks like it won't be ready.
Does it mean the pier upgrade needed due to bigger size? No idea if was planned anyway
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp...ry-is-too-big/
This says too big but means by passenger numbers and too many staff
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...xpayer-burden/
Anger as Scotland's ferry fleet deemed too 'big for islands and a taxpayer burden
Does the ferry actually need the staff accommodation? Why not just make provision in the ports themselves or do something similar to airlines? I doubt planes are built with staff accommodation and gyms and that airlines just do deals on local accommodation. Surely something similar is possible and more strategic.
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Maybe the Norwegians are more comfortable with picnic lunches?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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With the extra money they could have a state owned hotel at each portQuote:
Originally Posted by LeithMike
Again, not me saying it, just passing on what was said.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
A few links now been posted that appear to say similar.
Yes, absolutely. Public procurement is conducted terribly. Remember the works on Leith walk for trams that never went there? The nimrods that were built then scrapped before going into service? That's just the tip of the iceberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Public procurement is a total shambles in this country. I think one of the worst offenders is the MoD.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeithMike
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Hardly ever post but as a confused independence supporter … What is the Scottish Government playing at?
Rant on:
How can Scotland go from building the Queensferry Crossing to screwing up on the ferries for the Western Isles?
How can Pentland Ferries build and operate a successful ferry from Caithness to Orkney but Calmac/CMAL/ScottishGovt can’t do the same on the Western Isles?
https://pentlandferries.co.uk/timeline/
How can Pentland Ferries have MV Pentalina and MV Alfred built for £15M a piece but CMAL/ScottishGovt can’t for £97M, then £200M and still rising?
https://pentlandferries.co.uk/new-boat/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Pentalina
How can CMAL/ScottishGovt accept that there are major ferry issues for the Western Isles but reject solutions to the ferry shortage?
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highlands-islands/4061438/transport-scotland-says-it-has-no-plans-to-buy-pentalina-but-it-might-lease-it/
How can CMAL/ScottishGovt continually ignore industry experts?
seatransport.com (designer of MV Pentalina) and their Scots naval designer Dr Stuart Balatyne have made numerous offers to CMAC/CMAL and Scottish Government since 2008 - from royalty free designs, to building a fleet, to using Fergusons and InchGreen.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13169775.shipbuilding-expert-scotland-can-thrive-without-westminster-military-orders/
https://archive.ph/vqSva
https://energy.scottishports.org.uk/ports/inchgreen-dry-dock-and-repair-quay
How long can the ScottishGovt keep deflecting the blame?
https://www.holyrood.com/comment/view,comment-the-ferries-fiasco-is-a-coverup-in-plain-sight
Is this sheer incompetence or is this political stubbornness just to stay in power as a devolved govt blaming everyone else or worse…is this some plan to dismantle the desire for an independent Scotland?
Rant off:
A very disillusioned independence supporter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-60994370
Is this an error on the BBC website? I thought she was jailed for this years ago?
Since Salmond left the SNP have become rudderless.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapperJohn
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You're not aloneQuote:
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'FM accused of cover-up over official's death'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61000088
I think it's stretching to blame NS here. Hospitals are unfortunately a dangerous place to be and no country managed infection control during this. She had quite a lot on her plate to be responsible for a single nhs enquiryQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
If agree with that. I don't think NS has performed particularly well last 6 months (to be fair to her, she's basically carrying her party by herself) but I'm not sure a tragedy like this can be placed at her door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-61011696
I remain unclear about this. Is it a retrial? If so, on what grounds?
Judges Lord Carloway, Lord Glennie and Lord Turnbull quashed the ex-politician's embezzlement convictions following a hearing at the Court of Criminal Appeal in Edinburgh.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The judges made their ruling after hearing submissions, which cannot be reported for legal reasons, from defence advocate Gordon Jackson QC.
It's a retrial. The original convictions were appealed, and quashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Cheers. Forgive my ignorance but why does her case then return to court?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Sturgeon's secret state:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...s-secret-state
See LH's post above. Can only surmise the appeal court ordered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
LOL. The Spectator!Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Their writers are a list of the UK's biggest controversialists!
Liddle, Young, O'Neill - all people you should run a mile to avoid.
Save yourself time and ignore anything that comes from that cesspit.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/writers
Strange …. I have the same opinion of the National :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'm sure you do. I'm content to not be a fan of anything associated with Rod Liddle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Lol ... as an indy supporter I share your opinion :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Liddle is another prick who writes pish in an attempt to appear relevant. His ultra right wing opinions are sickening, Also don’t read SpectorQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Spectator's arguably got the strongest team of quality writers contributing to any UK publication, hence its trend-busting circulation figures for a print magazine. I don't agree with all of the opinions by any means but refusing to read anything that doesn't tally with your own views is a lazy and easy get-out.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Or it could just reflect the growth of right wing thinking down south?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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I think I'll stick with Viz for my quality writing 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The thing is there are lots of articles that would tally with lots on here though. Some example headlines from articles:Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
How to waste an 80 seat majority
Zelensky has saved Boris
Boris's Brexit Ukraine comparison was a mistake
Is Boris in denial about the impending economic crisis
Boris is finished, its when not if
And many more like it.
Can't see The National running anything that's remotely critical of the SNP.
Right. Ok. If you say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Yet growth has been highest in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/sta...Wfg4j885Q&s=19
But he rather understates The Spectator’s popularity north of the border. Our surge to 100,000 sales has been disproportionately helped by surge in Scottish readership. Per capita, its (way) higher than England.
I’m not surprised. They have made a massive push to gain unionist readers in Scotland. They run about as many negative stories about NS as they do about Megan Markle or the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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I read it but am an SNP voter. Nothing wrong with reading other people's views.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
With regards to the spectator it's just as well the articles, most of, aren't fact checked.
You know this for a 'fact'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
I guess so. Are different witnesses then able to be called? Today's evidence that McGarry was simply handed signed blank cheques by the signatory to the group's accounts casts WFI in a pretty embarrassing light. I don't recall this sort of evidence being presented last time but maybe I've just forgotten:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-61041946
Nicola caught breaking face mask laws.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-61135232
I wonder if she will resign for breaking the laws she brought in herself . :greengrin
Err…. Naw, she won’t even get a Fixed Penalty NoticeQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Its getting petty as **** and mostly from the unionists. There are multiple pictures of party leaders and campaigners indoors and in groups in close proximity to each other but someone felt it necessary to report NS to the police!? What a ****ing waste of police time and what a way to actually announce you have no policies or ideas that will get folk to vote for youQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
So the SNP creation, Police Scotland , won’t fine their boss .Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
It's law to have one in the barbers. She should get fined like all the tories. She made the rules, preached them, so live by them. Not as boris who lied to parliament, but those who make the rules should follow them and no make daft excusesQuote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
That's pathetic stuff from the Tories, especially as the rule will over in less than 6 hours time. Trying anything tk draw attention away from their leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Nonsense both leaders made the rules and should be punished like the riff raff.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
It's the most minor of minor breaches, but...she extended the law to have face masks and she has broken that law (for the second time). Nothing should come of it but she must expect the reaction when she has been telling us all week if you break the law you should resign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Hope not, she should be treated the same as everyone else surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Ps I spotted yer smiley in the 1st post and did take it you were being a bit tounge in cheek :greengrin
OYep, you’re right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Well she has said that she forgot for a few seconds and then put one on, everyone makes an honest mistake sometimes, and there's no reason to think anything different happened. In a two-year period she's forgotten to wear a mask twice. Big difference between having a brain fart and deceiving the entire nation, and House, through consistently breaking the rules during the most severe period of the pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
The two leaders and scenarios are poles apart from each other and can't be equated.
I'm so happy lol :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I say without a mask on for 20 minutes on the train on Friday, not in protest or to be difficult, I simply just forgot. The minute I realised I stuck it on. Everyone is human and can make a mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
She wasn't just walking down the street then jumped in a random shop. She had a huge team with her and photogrophers, they would have talked before she walked in. She is going from person to person and getting videos without one. If it was a tory there would be fuming.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
It is a nonsense but it's a nonsense she made the rules for, then extended after going to church without a mask. Having a cake on your birthday is no big deal, but if you decide the rules you should get done. If not everyone fined in the last two years should rip up their fines.
I've said repeatedly boris should walk, not for the cake but the lying to parliament. If more fines for parties come he should resign for that. NS shouldn't resign, but should take a fine or risk pissing off everyone fined.
The reply would be I doubt others got fined for not wearing a mask. But also no one will have got a fine for having a cake with staff. It doesn't matter, you make the rules stick by them
You know what Boris and Sturgeon are like the old firm they are both cheeks of the same smelly backside
IMHO Sturgeon is a good person with flows like everyone, whilst boris is a ****
So forgetting to put on a mask is now equivalent to holding several garden panties where no masks were worn and suitcases of alcohol were smuggled in to the party. Grasping at straws doesn't cover it.
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No masks were required at outside gatheringsQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
No straws have been grasped . Who made the law ? Who broke the law ? Sturgeon :agree:
Since it's Eastertime ... Jesus had a moustache. And Hitler did too. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Straws were grasped at the downing Street parties, all part of the games they were playing! 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
What about the parties in 10 downing Street, indoors, with alcohol and without masks?!
Correct. In the video not one person out of the several present had a mask on. Sure, she can say she forgot, did she not notice everyone else surrounding her was breaking the law?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Usual nationalist whatabouttery on here and social media.
Nicola Sturgeon was responsible for covid restrictions in Scotland, not Boris or the tories. Extended the mask mandate was a piece of covid theatre from Sturgeon, and she has been hoisted by her own petard. Glorious.
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Whilst I would never disregard anything this UK Government is capable of, why would they be holding "garden panties" and what the **** have you been googling if that indeed is a predictive text typo? :greengrin
Don't believe she forgot a mask. She would have talked before walking in with her large team. She takes a selfie with people without a mask and shakes his hair. As per the masks are for the cameras. Last week was the excuse, the Queen might have asked her to not wear one, talk about straw clutching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
If she doesn't take a fine it's a piss take to everyone who got one.
There's only whataboutary from one side, almost unanimously everyone said boris should walk. His was worse but unrelated. The rulers need to stick to the rules too
Also in the video she put out there's about 10 people all without masks, in one small room. Do they not really care about the rules. Surely if she is meeting so many people she should say guys its actually illegal not to wear in the barbers. If she thought it was unsafe I guess she wouldn't have went in, even none of the staff had one
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If this was a staged event, in the barbers, with attendance by invitation only i.e. no general public allowed in would face masks be required?
In the 6 month period from the second half of last year, only 1 fine was handed out for not wearing a mask. And that was probably an extreme case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It's not whataboutery when saying the two instances can't be equated, it's stating a fact. People weren't upset because he had a cake for his birthday, it's the consistent disregard, contempt and deception that is the issue. They knew what they were doing was wrong, and didn't care.
You can't say people would have talked before etc. it's more than possible there would have been a slip-up, because human error does happen. I've done it when I go in the office, I've got up from my desk and I'm halfway down the corridor before I realise and we've had it drilled into us to wear them inside and I've already been wearing it.
Now if it turns out she's been at it the whole time and ignored people when they've told her, that would be different, but I would bet that is not the case.
But I said last week the cake in the office with workmates doesn't matter that much its the lying to parliament. That was absolutely hounded with everyone saying it does matter, he makes the rules he should get fined for them. Has to go both ways they must want her fined too. No one got fined for having a cake in the office either. Tories have been trawling twitter this week putting up screenshots from NHS staffs feeds of them having cake and nibbles during the pandemic, shocking patter sharing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
I've always said the lying to parliament was the thing, but many on here said both was. Now if he gets more fines for parties ect, that's also different.
If Nicola Sturgeon forgot to put her mask on for a minute, it's pretty desperate straw clutching from the right wing. I've done it loads of times and not realised until I past the fruit and veg aisle in tesco. Never thought for a second I'd be due a fine for it.
Don't believe she just forgot. Would have been a briefing before she went in with her staff and umpteen camera men. She was going between people without a masks taking selfies.
If they make the rules, why didn't she say to all the staff to wear a mask. Why did they stay in a small room with 10 people without a mask. Surely ask them to mask or call the police if its against the law. More likely when the cameras were ready to roll mask went on
But you're trying to make it seem what is probably a genuine mistake for a few seconds is the same as what the Tories have done. And it just isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Even if it was just one incident each, Johnson had a party at a time when the pandemic was at it's most brutal stage (which is a very important point) and we know that that one party was part of a culture of rule breaking at No. 10. It seems to me that is the point people are making.
No I'm saying the ruling class need to stick by the rules they make and extend. No one got fined for not wearing a mask or having a birthday cake in the office. The tories acted despicably, loads should get the boot, especially boris for lying to parliament.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibby rae
NS shouldn't quit obviously. But when she didn't wear a mask at the church service, then extended mask wearing. She's then jumping about a room with no one including staff wearing a mask.
And the evidence suggests she has followed the rules, bar two minor slips in a two year period. You can guarantee if it had been more than that we would know about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Masks are done now if you want them to be, and this is a non-story being used as a tool to defend/deflect from the actions of others.
You're completely ignoring the repeated offending at Downing St while you're trying to make your equivalence between Sturgeon's misdeed and Johnson's. His cake event was reported when it happened and people gave precisely zero *****. It's only since the repeated nature of the gatherings became widely known that anyone's been interested in it (including the police, who've surely only fined him £50 for that as a taster of much more to come).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It is the lying that's the thing, though, not whether or how many candles were on a ******* cake.
How long was it before Sturgeon put on a mask in the barber's? If it was less than nine minutes, let her off. If more than nine minutes, RESIGN!
Your ignoring that I said the tories that were involved should resign. Your also ignoring that when I said last week the cake didn't matter it was the lying, people were frothing saying the cake does matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I know, the cake reference was about the general media and social media coverage, which has been predictably abysmal. Even now BBC is squeamish about suggesting that Johnson might have lied in Parliament. All the crap about 'inadvertently misleading the House' has been simply pathetic. Not sure that people on here were frothing about the cake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
There was a number that said the act does matter he broke the law ect. I said it gives them a smokescreen to say it was only a cake. He shouldn't go for that as we've all slipped up, he should go for lying to parliament. Obviously if he gets one for Abba party, he should go singularly for that anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
It's very obvious what's happened at Barbergate. Sturgeon needs Johnson to stay as PM for her to have any chance of winning Indyref2, Johnson's under pressure to go for rulebreaking, she's deliberately tried to normalise rulebreaking to help relieve the pressure on him, calculating that she won't suffer long-term consequences herself because of the non-repetitive nature of her misdeed.
You bants. But I'd go as far as saying I'd doubt yes would win a referendum if Labour win the next election. Boris is surely Labour’s best chance of winning. A new leader and they will say forget about the past this is a new regimeQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
This thing in the barber shop has been great for NS. It’s making her opponents look ridiculous. Even the BBC news were mocking the complainants this morning. With elections on the way, that can only help the SNP.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...on-now-resign-
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With regards to parties, masks etc then all politicians should be treated the same as Joe public whith regards to fines etc, otherwise its a case of one rule for them and another for us.
"Steerpike". Jesus wept.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
Gossip columnist best ignored.
Yeah - she didn’t forget anything. She initially had a mask on, the photo’s show that. So she had it on and removed it, and was in a room full of people also not wearing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Just more lies like when she didn’t recall anything about Salmond and when she found out about the allegations. But don’t worry, her lies and hypocrisy don’t matter because Boris had a garden party.
As Sturgeon set this legislation then extended it, regardless how minor people see the infraction, she should be issued a fixed penalty notice, pay it and move on. Others have had to pay so why should she be treated any differently.
Is there a time line? Everyone else has said she went in without a mask first then put it on, which makes more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998