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Originally Posted by bingo70

Who do you think Hibs could finish behind this season that would make 5th place acceptable?

Other than the old firm there’s Aberdeen, who are better positioned than us to finish 3rd. Anything below 4th this season would be shocking, regardless of what’s happened in the past.

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Ive said above i agree its the par score for this year.

But the logic that dictates it - 4th biggest budget, so should finish 4th - is the same logic that means 4th is NOT the normal minimum target, as Hibs rarely have the 3rd or 4th biggest budget in the league.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Who do you think Hibs could finish behind this season that would make 5th place acceptable?

Other than the old firm there’s Aberdeen, who are better positioned than us to finish 3rd. Anything below 4th this season would be shocking, regardless of what’s happened in the past.

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And there's no Hearts in the league this season meaning we don't drop as many points.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Hibs haven't finished 4th yet this season though. Could be a scramble to finish in the top 6 like last season.

Neilson had finished 3rd with Hearts the first season after they were promoted?

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Could be, yes, and that would be an unsuccessful season.

But Hibs could also finish 3rd and win a cup, for the first time since 1972/73.

Why not wait and see before getting all angry and impatient?

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Originally Posted by James Stephen

Could be, yes, and that would be an unsuccessful season.

But Hibs could also finish 3rd and win a cup, for the first time since 1972/73.

Why not wait and see before getting all angry and impatient?

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Yes, let's hope 👍

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Absolutely, and I wouldn’t expect us to win loads of them. I wouldn’t even expect us to win the majority of them. But 2 in 14 is dreadful, especially when at least 4 of them (3 Aberdeen defeats and the Hearts defeat at ER) have been embarrassing. For nearly 1/3rd of our big games under him to have been embarrassing defeats really isn’t great.

The issue I think a lot of people have is that 4th and cup semi finals etc is the minimum we should be expecting. To be able to get anything more than the minimum then we really need to improve that record in big games. We’ll never finish above Aberdeen for example if we keep rolling over to them.

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Our record in big games was pish a long time before Ross came along. Your points are true, but not new, as different Hibs managers, some of them more popular than Ross, might have had us playing groovy football but we were still losing to teams like Hearts and Aberdeen regularly.

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Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

Close, Hearts went through the 05/06 season losing twice at home, once to Celtic 2-3 and once to Aberdeen 1-2.

That same season we lost 7 games at home. Celtic, ICT, Falkirk, Aberdeen, Celtic, ICT and Rangers. We lost at home to ***** that season too. We've been doing it for years.

We also got scudded 3 times out of 5 games v hearts that season, including that semi final.

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Which might suggest that Jack Ross should be cut a little bit of slack then since he's actually performing better on that front than almost every other Hibs manager of the past forty-odd years?

He very rarely loses at home to bad teams. These last two defeats have clearly shocked a few people because they were really out of the norm for this team since Ross took over. He's lost four home games against non-Old Firm opposition so far. Once against Aberdeen where a brain fart from Boyle gives them a soft penalty. Once against Hearts where they turned up and outplayed us (not acceptable), then the two defeats in this past week where somebody has made a pretty decent post on another thread that may go some way to explaining it.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Yes, let's hope 👍

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

It’s obviously not the minimum that has been achieved. But it’s the minimum expectation of what should be achieved (and the club themselves have been vocal about that over the last few years). That’s why managers have lost their job at Hibs with such regularity, for not achieving that as a minimum. Yogi and Lennon were all right whilst challenging for that type of position, as soon as the drop off came we moved on to the next guy.

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That's not true at all though - we are one of the top 5 supported clubs in Scotland and should reasonably expect to be there or thereabouts in terms of league placings. So allowing a bit of wiggle room, 6th is a reasonable minimum expectation - anything below that is really not good enough and worthy of questions being asked about how the club's being run.

Any top 4 placing should be considered a successful league campaign for Hibs but sadly they come all too few and far between. I'd love to EXPECT Hibs to have a successful league campaign EVERY season but bitter experience has taught me to EXPECT frequent disappointment in that respect with only occasional flashes of punching our weight or better. I know that's not good enough and hope that the future will hold better. We are going slowly in the right direction I think.

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Originally Posted by basehibby

That's not true at all though - we are one of the top 5 supported clubs in Scotland and should reasonably expect to be there or thereabouts in terms of league placings. So allowing a bit of wiggle room, 6th is a reasonable minimum expectation - anything below that is really not good enough and worthy of questions being asked about how the club's being run.

Any top 4 placing should be considered a successful league campaign for Hibs but sadly they come all too few and far between. I'd love to EXPECT Hibs to have a successful league campaign EVERY season but bitter experience has taught me to EXPECT frequent disappointment in that respect with only occasional flashes of punching our weight or better. I know that's not good enough and hope that the future will hold better. We are going slowly in the right direction I think.

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It’s definitely the expectation, the club put it out there all the time about European qualification being the objective. When we don’t do that, or it becomes clear we’re not going to do it, the manager generally changes. We’ve seen managers leave with us sitting in the top half of the league.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

It’s definitely the expectation, the club put it out there all the time about European qualification being the objective. When we don’t do that, or it becomes clear we’re not going to do it, the manager generally changes. We’ve seen managers leave with us sitting in the top half of the league.

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Not true. As already explained to you, we've not finished in the top four in 34 of the last 40 seasons. It's more than par for the course that Hibs don't finish there very often. Time to accept it and lower your expectations a bit and realise Ross is actually outperforming most Hibs managers of the past four decades. :aok:

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Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75

Not true. As already explained to you, we've not finished in the top four in 34 of the last 40 seasons. It's more than par for the course that Hibs don't finish there very often. Time to accept it and lower your expectations a bit and realise Ross is actually outperforming most Hibs managers of the past four decades. :aok:

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What’s not true?

You’re confusing what has been achieved with the expectation of what should be achieved.

We all know that Hibs have failed to finish in the top four most of the time. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t an expectation that we should, certainly in modern times with the advantages we have in terms of season ticket numbers, facilities etc.

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Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75

Not true. As already explained to you, we've not finished in the top four in 34 of the last 40 seasons. It's more than par for the course that Hibs don't finish there very often. Time to accept it and lower your expectations a bit and realise Ross is actually outperforming most Hibs managers of the past four decades. :aok:

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The fact we haven’t finished in the top four for 34 of the last 40 seasons has no impact on us going forward. The fact we’ve historically underachieved should in no way be used as an excuse for accepting under achievement going forward. If that’s how we are going to look at it then we should probably be sitting here celebrating a 6th place finish because we quite often don’t even manage that.

As others have pointed out, the club always targets European qualification. When a manager fails to deliver it they inevitably end up getting sacked eventually. Who was the last manager we had that wasn’t sacked or ‘mutually consented’ that didn’t get Europe at some point in their reign? Hecky, Butcher, Fenlon, Calderwood, Mixu, Bobby Williamson, Sauzee, Duffy.. I think every manager in my lifetime that hasn’t qualified for Europe through league placing (other than Stubbs who was poached by Rotherham) has been sacked so the club clearly feel top 4 is the aim regardless of the fact we have historically underachieved.

In a season where Hearts aren’t in the league the argument for top four being the minimum expectation just becomes even stronger.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

What’s not true?

You’re confusing what has been achieved with the expectation of what should be achieved.

We all know that Hibs have failed to finish in the top four most of the time. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t an expectation that we should, certainly in modern times with the advantages we have in terms of season ticket numbers, facilities etc.

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Hibs expectation is top6 every year and a semi final. Top 4 is above expectation. Ron wants us to be Top 4 year in year out. That’s a big step forward from the previous 20 years.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

Hibs expectation is top6 every year and a semi final. Top 4 is above expectation. Ron wants us to be Top 4 year in year out. That’s a big step forward from the previous 20 years.

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A club of Hibs size happy with finishing in the top 6? 👀

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

The fact we haven’t finished in the top four for 34 of the last 40 seasons has no impact on us going forward. The fact we’ve historically underachieved should in no way be used as an excuse for accepting under achievement going forward. If that’s how we are going to look at it then we should probably be sitting here celebrating a 6th place finish because we quite often don’t even manage that.

As others have pointed out, the club always targets European qualification. When a manager fails to deliver it they inevitably end up getting sacked eventually. Who was the last manager we had that wasn’t sacked or ‘mutually consented’ that didn’t get Europe at some point in their reign? Hecky, Butcher, Fenlon, Calderwood, Mixu, Bobby Williamson, Sauzee, Duffy.. I think every manager in my lifetime that hasn’t qualified for Europe through league placing (other than Stubbs who was poached by Rotherham) has been sacked so the club clearly feel top 4 is the aim regardless of the fact we have historically underachieved.

In a season where Hearts aren’t in the league the argument for top four being the minimum expectation just becomes even stronger.

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This is going to be a huge month. Celtic, Kilmarnock, Rangers and a semi final.

Lose all four then it’s certainly not looking promising.

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Originally Posted by Magpie

This is going to be a huge month. Celtic, Kilmarnock, Rangers and a semi final.

Lose all four then it’s certainly not looking promising.

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Yep. Although I've got a feeling we will get something against Rangers and win the semi final. Not sure why, but it would be a Hibs thing to do, lose to County and Livi and then beat Rangers.

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Originally Posted by Magpie

This is going to be a huge month. Celtic, Kilmarnock, Rangers and a semi final.

Lose all four then it’s certainly not looking promising.

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That's the spirit.

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Originally Posted by Steve20

Yep. Although I've got a feeling we will get something against Rangers and win the semi final. Not sure why, but it would be a Hibs thing to do, lose to County and Livi and then beat Rangers.

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Semi final is the big one. Realistically don’t expect anything from Celtic or Rangers but we should be taking something from Kilmarnock who we have beaten twice this season already.

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Originally Posted by flash

That's the spirit.

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It’s true though.

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Originally Posted by Magpie

It’s true though.

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And if we lose all our games between now and the end of the season? That won't look promising either will it?

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

And if we lose all our games between now and the end of the season? That won't look promising either will it?

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Obviously because we are losing every game we play.

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Originally Posted by Magpie

Obviously because we are losing every game we play.

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Ah OK. Thanks for that.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Why just the first 3? If you’re discounting the first 3 then I think you need to discount the 4th as well, was also before his first transfer window wasn’t it?

There is a lot of fine margins in the games, as you say, the semi final in particular that’s true.

I think the concerning thing is that he came to us with that reputation and it’s continued with us. At what point does that become no longer a coincidence and something he’s not doing right in terms of how he prepares and motivates the team before a big game?

Every time I write a post like this I hope it’s acting as a sort of hex that’ll get thrown back at me as soon as we win a big game again. I’d love it if we were to win the league cup but I really don’t think we will.

I think Ross is probably an excellent coach and I don’t doubt the players love him, I think he’s a sensible guy that knows football inside out. I am not convinced he’s a great motivator though.

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I think the two points I've highlighted can be linked. Agree with your assessment of Ross at the end, seems like he isn't the best motivator and that's not just shown in big games, a few of our sub par performances against weaker times the players have looked a bit disinterested and sloppy.

I don't think that issue is exclusive to 'big games' and I don't think its fair to be including our games against the old firm in 'something he's not doing right' when as a whole our performances against the old firm this season have been pretty good.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

You could maybe put it down to bad luck if it didn’t keep happening in big games - if we managed to win more than 2 in 14 then you could have said the Celtic game was bad luck, or the semi final even. Unfortunately it happens with alarming frequency that we don’t manage to win big games. That would suggest it’s not just bad luck.

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I just think 2 in 14 is misleading when it includes games against the old firm, which we aren't expected to get anything from, where we have played very well and came away with a point, or been narrowly defeated. I've not had a problem with the tactics, team selection, motivation of the players or general performance in any of the games against the OF this season.

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Originally Posted by Magpie

This is going to be a huge month. Celtic, Kilmarnock, Rangers and a semi final.

Lose all four then it’s certainly not looking promising.

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What if we win all 4?

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Originally Posted by Magpie

Obviously because we are losing every game we play.

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We lost 3 in a week. We've won A LOT more than we've lost this season.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

What if we win all 4?

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Jack Ross will be the new Celtic Boss.

We should lose to Celtic and Rangers. Won't cry about it if we do. The semi is the big one for me.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

What if we win all 4?

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Then we are looking well on course to having a successful season.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

We lost 3 in a week. We've won A LOT more than we've lost this season.

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If we lose another 3 league games this month then the gap will start to narrow between us and 5th, if we lose the semi final too then that’s going to have a massive dent in confidence. I would genuinely be worried about even making top four if we come out of this month without a win.

With the gap we created between 4th and 5th losing 4th by the end of the season is definitely under performing.

Hibs aren’t going to win the league any time in near future - the cups are the only chances of silverware. Sad reality but true.

I’m not falling into the league cup is the wee cup (co-incidence the club which hasn’t won it for so long started this nonsense). Of course the Scottish is the main cup tournament but the league cup is still a fantastic achievement.

My point is the semi final is an important game for Jack Ross. It’s winnable and a chance to give us a shot at winning another cup.

IF we make the final that’s another huge test to see if management and players have the motivation / mindset / quality to win it.

If we lose either of these games then it’s a serious opportunity missed and fans have every right to seriously question those involved.

I can rightly see why fans are concerned - I just hope the players / management and owner realise what a great opportunity we have here as could you imagine the boost it gives the fans and club during these tough times.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

A club of Hibs size happy with finishing in the top 6? 👀

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Where have you been?

Tick tock

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Originally Posted by Magpie

Tick tock

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He’s not going anywhere anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Magpie

Tick tock

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Hibs aren't sacking a manager while we're 4th. ''tick tock'' isn't true and honestly, its a really bizarre thing for a Hibs fan to come out with. Its like you actively want him to fail.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Hibs aren't sacking a manager while we're 4th. ''tick tock'' isn't true and honestly, its a really bizarre thing for a Hibs fan to come out with. Its like you actively want him to fail.

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I want Hibs to win every game. I’m disappointed because we have bottled two of the biggest games this season against teams with lower quality than us. He’s a bottle merchant.

Sack this loser!

Aggregate score against Ross county, livi and St J is 8-0

**** off

"Some aspects of our performance were really pleasing"

Who do we go for to replace Ross? I can’t think of anyone out there.

Mentality of the club accepts defeats like this.

If we were ruthless we would make players / managers aware this isn’t acceptable.

Instead we will have the “didn’t take chances chat.”

I don’t want excuses this is simply not good enough - stupid / risky team selection and it didn’t work.

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

Aggregate score against Ross county, livi and St J is 8-0

**** off

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Nice random 3 games you've picked there.

Our aggregate against killie Motherwell and Hamilton is 9-0

This isnt a good result.

But if we get rid of Ross we risk another Butcher, Fenlon, Calderwood, Heckingbottom type appointment which would leave us in a much worse position.

He can GTF after this, that's the second winnable semi in a row that he's bottled now.

No fight after their first goal went in.

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Originally Posted by H18 SFR

Who do we go for to replace Ross? I can’t think of anyone out there.

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Anyone who can save us from dropping out of the top four.

I've seen alot worse managers but as a few have said thats 2 semi finals we should have won.

Where do we go from here as on form we will be lucky to make top 6.

4th is not good. 4th, with the 3rd or 4th biggest budget in the league, is a passing grade. Though given our and Livi’s recent form, we won’t be 4th for long.

Worse when you look above at Celtic and Aberdeen struggling.

Ross has had more than enough time and budget to show us who he is and what he can do. I’ve seen more than enough.

The only criticism I would aim at Ross was changing formation after the second goal. Up until then we had easily been the better side, but were poor in front of either goal which was solely down to the players. Of course Porteous won’t take any flack despite being missing twice.

He's not the answer. Finishing 4th in this current league isn't an achievement. Absolute murder to watch

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Originally Posted by Tambo

I've seen alot worse managers but as a few have said thats 2 semi finals we should have won.

Where do we go from here as on form we will be lucky to make top 6.

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It would be silly to believe in the current form we will finish top four. Rangers next...

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Originally Posted by Hibi

The only criticism I would aim at Ross was changing formation after the second goal. Up until then we had easily been the better side, but were poor in front of either goal which was solely down to the players. Of course Porteous won’t take any flack despite being missing twice.

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What about the team selection that had never played together before with 2 guys not match fit

Jack Ross out, if we can afford it I would sack him tomorrow.

We have good players, he cant get them organised.

Time to go Jack.

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Originally Posted by hibeedonald

Jack Ross out, if we can afford it I would sack him tomorrow.

We have good players, he cant get them organised.

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Love to see John Collins with this squad

Rosd should go. He won't.....until season tic numbers dwindle and the board will act.

He has until the end of the season to get us into Europe, which will be tough as our two remaining ties against Aberdeen will be defeats.

We'll go in on the final day needing a point for fourth and end up getting beat 4-0 at home to Livi or sonething.

My gut feeling is it is best Ross goes now.

Overseeing 2 disasterous semi finals is unforgivable. What a opportunity we were given after favourable cup draws. Any future loss against an allegedly inferior team will create a toxic atmosphere which will gradually wear him and the club down.

With the money he has been given to sign players it is not a major achievement being 4th in the league.

Our biggest weakness is in the centre of defence which he has not addressed. Ross continually signs midfielders who are no better than what we have.

Cannot see Ross being given anymore money to sign players.

After tonight he is a dead man walking.

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Originally Posted by Hibees1973

My gut feeling is it is best Ross goes now.

Overseeing 2 disasterous semi finals is unforgivable. What a opportunity we were given after favourable cup draws. Any future loss against an allegedly inferior team will create a toxic atmosphere which will gradually wear him and the club down.

With the money he has been given to sign players it is not a major achievement being 4th in the league.

Our biggest weakness is in the centre of defence which he has not addressed. Ross continually signs midfielders who are no better than what we have.

Cannot see Ross being given anymore money to sign players.

After tonight he is a dead man walking.

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Dead man walking from the moment we lost a championship Hearts.

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Originally Posted by GreenCastle

What about the team selection that had never played together before with 2 guys not match fit

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With the injuries we’ve had in the middle of the park he’d didn’t have many choices. Most fans agreed Mallan isn’t the answer. The back 3 had played together many times but for some reason couldn’t defend set plays well enough.

Ross is totally unable to change the flow of a game. Proved it time after time. Tactically inept.

That was absolutely pathetic, seriously questioning wether or not jack ross can take us forward. Thinking since he has came in we have had no style of play or identity. The players we have shouldn’t be getting beaten to st johnstone never mind being beaten 3-0 especially in a semi final. Absolutely mortified by that

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Originally Posted by Hibi

With the injuries we’ve had in the middle of the park he’d didn’t have many choices. Most fans agreed Mallan isn’t the answer. The back 3 had played together many times but for some reason couldn’t defend set plays well enough.

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Sorry but that is utter crap, that is the most midfield choices I have ever seen a Hibs team have with only Newall missing.

Today wasn't the game to go all experimental with untried players.

He panicked big time when the second went in and we were considerably worse for his changes.

Only Rocky ( who had no chance with any of the goals) Doig (although he had another torrid time defensively) and Irvine emerge from that with reputations relatively intact

Some individuals were dreadful tonight and have no excuses. But he picks them, he signs them and it'll ultimately fall on him to explain himself. To be humped 3-0 by a team so far below us in a National semi final is an utter disgrace and the 2nd half was just embarrassing. The subs were panic stations.

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Originally Posted by PortoHSC

That was absolutely pathetic, seriously questioning wether or not jack ross can take us forward. Thinking since he has came in we have had no style of play or identity. The players we have shouldn’t be getting beaten to st johnstone never mind being beaten 3-0 especially in a semi final. Absolutely mortified by that

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I wonder if we will get an interview. More of the " pleased with some aspects of the game" "dust ourselves down" rubbish.

Embarrassing

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Originally Posted by Magpie

I want Hibs to win every game. I’m disappointed because we have bottled two of the biggest games this season against teams with lower quality than us. He’s a bottle merchant.

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and that's sacking material? maybe a wee bit early for that?

Any Hibs fan recoiling in horror at the suggestion of Jack Ross being shown the door is hiding behind calling other fans “bedwetters” and not wanting the (reasonable) best for a club with a generous budget in comparison to other teams who are now regularly beating us. This Hibs team and manager are nice but VERY soft and I honestly can’t make out what you are seeing otherwise. I’ll support Hibs, season ticket, HSL, everything, but this current situation lacking serious bottle is indefensible and not going to get any better.

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Originally Posted by bringbackbenny

and that's sacking material? maybe a wee bit early for that?

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When then?

4th, 5th, bottom 6? Relegation battle?

He has lost the fans and I wouldn't be surprised if the players are just coasting now til he's booted.

8 goals shipped to Livi, Ross C, St J.

Let that sink in......

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Originally Posted by Hibi

With the injuries we’ve had in the middle of the park he’d didn’t have many choices. Most fans agreed Mallan isn’t the answer. The back 3 had played together many times but for some reason couldn’t defend set plays well enough.

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Eh? Cos Joe Newell was injured? He had plenty options.

Joe Newell played when Hughes and Martindale schooled him. He’s got a phenomenal squad.


Alarm bells started ringing for me when we lost to Hearts at ER.

Everyone knew how to beat them. Pace over the top. Not this idiot. He sticks Boyle at wing back, 50 yards away from their back line. Did he notice this and change it? Did he f...

Ross can gtf.

He's not cut out for a big club. St mirren is his ceiling.

jack ross "Angry"


a few players on that pitch tonight should be the angry ones...with themselves...no pride whatsoever after that early 2nd goal...none


if they think they're too good to be at our club then it's THEM that can go **** off

Said this to my mates a few times but I genuinely think he sets a team up for a small pitch. We have done better on the road with smaller pitches than we have with bigger ones for example ER and hampden.

We have players that look like they only ever win a second ball on smaller pitches and as for passing again ( in my mind at least ) we seem to do better on smaller pitches.

As for why I think of Jack Ross not a lot to be honest. Yes he’s got us to 4th at the moment but will that last till the end of the season? I genuinely don’t know if it will with displays like I’ve just watched.

GGTTH

For me it's too soon to be sacking JR although I can understand why some are frustrated after we've capitulated in two semi finals in a row to weaker opposition. We're doing okay in the league and on paper most of JR's signings are good. However, we're badly leacking leadership, drive and gallusness on the pitch. Everything is safe and vanilla and that reflects the personalities of our manager and captain. With Gray and McGregor no longer involved we need to being in some experience, cockiness and fight. A Scott Brown type. A Jason Cummings. A Graeme Shinnie type.

I actually thought we were better side until he changed formation. But on the flip side, we went into a NATIONAL cup semi final and played a formation we have never played all season to match up against St ******g Johnstone.

Martin Boyle on set pieces (first time all season)

Letting Paul Hanlon still have a line in his hair aged 32.

All sackable offences

He's done at Hibs. Doesn't matter where he finishes this season, two semi final results and performances in other bigger games will count against him.

Shame, like him as a guy. Won't take us any further forward as a manager.

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Eh? Cos Joe Newell was injured? He had plenty options.

Joe Newell played when Hughes and Martindale schooled him. He’s got a phenomenal squad.


Alarm bells started ringing for me when we lost to Hearts at ER.

Everyone knew how to beat them. Pace over the top. Not this idiot. He sticks Boyle at wing back, 50 yards away from their back line. Did he notice this and change it? Did he f...

Ross can gtf.

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Cause Ross is the first manger to lose to Hearts at home. He inherited a midfield that was too soft. He wanted McRorie but couldn’t get him, had to settle for just gogic. Irvine is a strong signing with the right attributes to make us a stronger side.

Boyle has played a few positions this year, but for whatever reason he has been pretty poor since signing a new deal.

Absolute disgrace! Reaction to a simple question from a reporter and he flies off the handle like that he’s paid to win football matches and he’s not doing that when it matters most! Once we take nothing against Rangers on Wednesday where do we go from there ?

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Originally Posted by Robbo6-2

I actually thought we were better side until he changed formation. But on the flip side, we went into a NATIONAL cup semi final and played a formation we have never played all season to match up against St ******g Johnstone.

Martin Boyle on set pieces (first time all season)

Letting Paul Hanlon still have a line in his hair aged 32.

All sackable offences

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We were the better side until we went 1-0 down imo.

Over the game though St Johnstone were the much better team and deserved the win. I’m not even sure I’d say the scoreline flattered them.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

We were the better side until we went 1-0 down imo.

Over the game though St Johnstone were the much better team and deserved the win. I’m not even sure I’d say the scoreline flattered them.

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Scoreline flattered us. First half, i don’t have any real issues with.

Second half was as bad as it gets. All that was missing was someone losing the head and getting sent off, but actually none of them had enough about them to even do that.

Sickening performance, and for all I’ve defended him, if he wants to lose the “can’t win big games” tag then he needs to start winning some big games.

Sorry but hes just not good enough that was embarrassing. selection, Formation tactics I've no idea what any of them were. Cadden, Irvine, Allan and Magennis had the sum total of hee haw top flight football but all had lengthy spells on the park tonight. Totally baffling and desperate. We're 4th in the worst PL in recent memory we should never be below that.

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Sorry but hes just not good enough that was embarrassing. selection, Formation tactics I've no idea what any of them were. Cadden, Irvine, Allan and Magennis had the sum total of hee haw top flight football but all had lengthy spells on the park tonight. Totally baffling and desperate. We're 4th in the worst PL in recent memory we should never be below that.

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You missed out that Irvine was our only decent player from your post ....

Good win percentage. Shambles of a league, dire football and bottled every big game we’ve played.

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Cause Ross is the first manger to lose to Hearts at home. He inherited a midfield that was too soft. He wanted McRorie but couldn’t get him, had to settle for just gogic. Irvine is a strong signing with the right attributes to make us a stronger side.

Boyle has played a few positions this year, but for whatever reason he has been pretty poor since signing a new deal.

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That’s clearly not what I said.

We lost to an awful Hearts team that was getting pumped by everyone in the same way. Yet this clown thought, I’ll do it differently and played right into their hands.

As for Boyle, he’s played a few positions but he’s best wide of a front 3. He’s always been an average centre forward, always been an average wing back, he’s never been decent behind the striker and barely even reaches the standard of a professional footballer on the left, yet every week, he’s a victim of this clowns tactical roulette 🤡

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You missed out that Irvine was our only decent player from your post ....

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Of course he was he had a good game . And the other 3 will hopefully turn out to be great players for us going forward but it was desperation to play them all today. It actually looked like he was just giving Allan and Magennis some minutes to build their fitness

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Hibs aren't sacking a manager while we're 4th. ''tick tock'' isn't true and honestly, its a really bizarre thing for a Hibs fan to come out with. Its like you actively want him to fail.

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he has already failed in a lot of peoples eyes.

Absolute bottle merchant in big games and horrible style of football. The guy is a mouse

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Originally Posted by Roxyhibee

Any Hibs fan recoiling in horror at the suggestion of Jack Ross being shown the door is hiding behind calling other fans “bedwetters” and not wanting the (reasonable) best for a club with a generous budget in comparison to other teams who are now regularly beating us. This Hibs team and manager are nice but VERY soft and I honestly can’t make out what you are seeing otherwise. I’ll support Hibs, season ticket, HSL, everything, but this current situation lacking serious bottle is indefensible and not going to get any better.

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After going 1-0 down though given how we’d played was wetting the bed imo. If we want the players to have a bit more about themselves then surely we should ourselves? A bit of reflection is a good thing. In the heat of the moment is rarely the best time. That said I am running out of patience. For me one of the striking things pre-match was the difference in demeanour between Davidson and Ross. Who would I want to play for... on that performance Davidson.

Ross and the recruitment guys have lost the plot from what i can see.

Know we are Hibs and are unable to sign in-form players for big money. However, of our recent signings most have a serious question about them. For example, they are either recovering from serious injuries (Magennis/Murphy), have a good reputation which is in the past (Cadden) or have not played for a considerable amount of time (Irvine).

I fully understand signing new players is a gamble and there are no 100% guarantees. Irvine was one of our better players tonight, not difficult, but surely Ross and the recruitment people can do better than this.

We are 4th, but looking over our shoulder. Two winable semi finals defeats will have seriously damaged the players confidence in each other and Ross.

Our owner must have serious doubts about handing more money to Ross. With Dempster away and a replacement for her yet, we appear rudderless and after the last couple of months at a crossroads.

Ross will need a few wins in the next four or five games to move back into 3rd in the table to give himself some breathing space.

However, I feel the support has now turned against him and it is now only a matter of time before he is gone.

Really had high hopes for Ross, that was totally unacceptable though. He can’t win big games and his derby record is unacceptable therefore he must go.

St Johnstone semi final - 3-0
Ross County league loss
St Johnstone recently at ER
Alloa late goal - mince performance
Dundee Utd dropping points - late goals
Semi Final v Hearts
Sheep x 2. This season
Sheep x1 last season
Motherwell at home.
Clinging on at home after being 3 up against Hamilton.
Derby last season at ER - awful performance
Livi at home
BetFred cup group stages - some of the performances were awful ( I know we won the group but still issues)

Add in the Drey Wright - the 55 / 50 min subs he regularly does, lack of goals at home (crap home record).

His team selection today..Cadden and Irvine aren’t fit. Boyle doesn’t play through middle. Allan was never ready to come on. Why drop Gray from squad even for his experience and influence. Gullan no minutes - Hallberg who has been fine no minutes.

This is not good reading and I’ve lost faith in him and the players. Mentally weak and the manager has players that won’t stand up to him and definitely won’t stand up to others = constantly get bullied and lose important games.

He's fast running out of ideas- his after match radio interview tonight proved that.

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St Johnstone semi final - 3-0
Ross County league loss
St Johnstone recently at ER
Alloa late goal - mince performance
Dundee Utd dropping points - late goals
Semi Final v Hearts
Sheep x 2. This season
Sheep x1 last season
Motherwell at home.
Clinging on at home after being 3 up against Hamilton.
Derby last season at ER - awful performance
Livi at home
BetFred cup group stages - some of the performances were awful ( I know we won the group but still issues)

Add in the Drey Wright - the 55 / 50 min subs he regularly does, lack of goals at home (crap home record).

His team selection today..Cadden and Irvine aren’t fit. Boyle doesn’t play through middle. Allan was never ready to come on. Why drop Gray from squad even for his experience and influence. Gullan no minutes - Hallberg who has been fine no minutes.

This is not good reading and I’ve lost faith in him and the players. Mentally weak and the manager has players that won’t stand up to him and definitely won’t stand up to others = constantly get bullied and lose important games.

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When you list it like that he’s pretty hopeless.

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St Johnstone semi final - 3-0
Ross County league loss
St Johnstone recently at ER
Alloa late goal - mince performance
Dundee Utd dropping points - late goals
Semi Final v Hearts
Sheep x 2. This season
Sheep x1 last season
Motherwell at home.
Clinging on at home after being 3 up against Hamilton.
Derby last season at ER - awful performance
Livi at home
BetFred cup group stages - some of the performances were awful ( I know we won the group but still issues)

Add in the Drey Wright - the 55 / 50 min subs he regularly does, lack of goals at home (crap home record).

His team selection today..Cadden and Irvine aren’t fit. Boyle doesn’t play through middle. Allan was never ready to come on. Why drop Gray from squad even for his experience and influence. Gullan no minutes - Hallberg who has been fine no minutes.

This is not good reading and I’ve lost faith in him and the players. Mentally weak and the manager has players that won’t stand up to him and definitely won’t stand up to others = constantly get bullied and lose important games.

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Oft. That is so bleak!!

To try and balance it out, what would be the positives;

2-0 win at tynie
4-0 Livi win
a couple decent performances at home against the old firm.

Struggling after that to be honest. I'm sure there's a few I'm missing out. It's annoying, cause I honestly really like the guy. Just not sure he can redeem himself from what you've posted.

Jack Ross
Jack Loss
Jack Dross

Whatever you want to call him he's not taking us forward as a club. We are embarrassingly bad in big games and dreadful to watch in most other matches, he's doing his best to surrender 4th place to Livvy as well, 3 weeks time and we will likely be 5th. He picks the team, he gives the instructions, he's incapable of changing a game to make us better. He changed the shape at 1-0 and made us worse. By the time 60 minutes came round and we were 3-0 down it was hard to tell what formation we were playing. He has to go. Season pretty ****ed now anyway.

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That’s clearly not what I said.

We lost to an awful Hearts team that was getting pumped by everyone in the same way. Yet this clown thought, I’ll do it differently and played right into their hands.

As for Boyle, he’s played a few positions but he’s best wide of a front 3. He’s always been an average centre forward, always been an average wing back, he’s never been decent behind the striker and barely even reaches the standard of a professional footballer on the left, yet every week, he’s a victim of this clowns tactical roulette 🤡

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Boyle has never played wide of a front 3 consistently never mind consistently well. He was an exceptional wingback under lennon.

His best attribute is his ability to carry the ball up the park, something he doesn't get much opportunity to do played in a front 2 or 3. And even when not on form he always puts in a lot of running. Wingback every time for me.

I’ve calmed down a bit now, and I’ve concluded at this stage I don’t think Jack Ross should be sacked right now.
I would say his jacket’s on a shooglie peg, and we do need to see much better.
I can’t see the chaos of getting a new manager in helping our bid for Europe, which at this stage is still well on track, though. We’ve blown a very winnable competition, but again we’re still well on track for qualifying for Europe, and I’m not willing to right us off for the Scottish cup before we’ve even kicked a ball.

I’d say let’s re-evaluate at the end of the season, and consider whether JR is the right man to match our ambitions in the summer.

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Boyle has never played wide of a front 3 consistently never mind consistently well. He was an exceptional wingback under lennon.

His best attribute is his ability to carry the ball up the park, something he doesn't get much opportunity to do played in a front 2 or 3. And even when not on form he always puts in a lot of running. Wingback every time for me.

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Boyle is highly overrated. On his day he can be great but that isn’t anywhere near often enough. He has gone from an impact sub to an automatic starter which is not reflective of his performances, especially this season.

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Boyle is highly overrated. On his day he can be great but that isn’t anywhere near often enough. He has gone from an impact sub to an automatic starter which is not reflective of his performances, especially this season.

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Boyle is class.

Unfortunately, we need to play a way that will get the best out of him.

Having no actual game plan other than hoping Boyle and/or Murphy can create something out of nothing won’t work.

He’s a winger, not a striker and not a wing back. To get the best out of him we need to control the midfield and get him either one on one with the full back or getting balls in behind the full back.

Just lumping the ball in his direction and hoping for the best is pish.