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That sums up the situation and my feelings perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by blindsummit
The smaller clubs in the league now need to make sure these crooked leeches never get to bleed them dry again. However I'd bet my house that they'll just roll over let themselves get shafted again.
Email Hibs and the SFA and tell them what's you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiberlin
It looks like they're due £9m in unpaid VAT from after Craig Whyte took over.
Excellent.
http://www.mcr.uk.com/duff-amp-phelp...ball-club.html
and I forgpt to add, they'll still be playing at Ibrox, still have Murray Park and will still be playing in the same colours. I bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by blindsummit
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Originally Posted by Elephant Stone
Whyte has often trumpeted in the last few weeks that there is a £10m working capital shortfall on an annual basis for Rangers. Therefore, if they are also due £9m to HMRC - over and above the big tax case - then there must be a cash shortfall of £19m currently on an annual basis. Stunning mismanagement if that is the case.
Defining period for Scottish football.Quote:
Originally Posted by blindsummit
IF they are managed out of administration and carry on, then they've played by the rules, such as they are, and we can wail and gnash our teeth but ultimately they've been treated the same as Motherwell.
IF, as I fervently hope, they are liquidated, they MUST start at th ebottom of the pile and come up through the divisions. Anything less will mean the total ruination of any trust football fans have in the administration of thegame in this country. I think club owners/chairman MUST understand the depth of feeling that their customers - us - have on this matter. If Hibs voted to re-instate Rangers, I really dont believe I could stomach that. It would be a betrayal of my support for my club, and I think it would be a tipping point for me to say - nah, enoughs enough, I'll get involved with an amateur team or go and watch Linlithgow Rose more often.
Makes the signing of Cousin all the more criminal. A morally and financially corrupt football club in my opinion, with quite disgusting fans. They shame the country abroad and at home. FIFA, UEFA, the SFA and SPL have stood back for too long and allowed them to extract the urine. Just a horrible football club at the end of the day who I would happily see disappear without a trace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smidge
Yep, that's the case with me too. Why should I ever buy another ticket for Easter Road again when I know fine and well that any decent young players coming up through our system will end up getting splinters in their arse through in Glasgow. They have consistently destroyed our teams over decades by buying up our talent and as it would appear, they've been using our money to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCarpets
The SPL and Scottish football can get to **** if they let the Huns off the hook in any way.
Not to mentioned the 24.4 million from ticketus which has been eaten up somewhere. Personally I think the money has been saved and transferred to another company so that Rangers will immediately have 'investment' when they exit administration or a phoenix company is born. What is interesting is that HMRC did not want to put rangers into administration over the big tax case but for the sum of 9 million in unpaid taxes. I wonder what will happen if Rangers exit administration and then the big tax case hits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smidge
Just a thought - maybe Ra Sellik should apply for administration, too, and both OF clubs will go forward with no debt. One could be reconstituted as Soap Dodge City FC, the other as Tax Dodge City FC.
You heard it here first! :greengrin
Despite the wailings from the likes of Talk Sport and Hun journos, the real danger for Scottish Football is if (on liquidation) they are allowed back in to the SPL unharmed, NOT if they go away to div 3. The haemorrhaging of fans from everywhere else would be massive. If they think attendances are dropping at the minute, wait till you see how many are interested in going to watch a league where FC Newhun have been instantly re-admitted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiberlin
Settle, do they not play in maroon?.Anyway what are me going to do without our feeder team. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by TwoCarpets
At least Hearts with Romanov in charge eventually pay their bills. Rangers it would appear with their Rik Mayall lookalike chairman are going to screw anyone and everyone they owe money to! Self employed people get hounded by the taxman to pay their bills in full completion so I do not see why a morally bankrupt club like Rangers should try manipulate the system to avoid paying what they are owe!
They play in what I believe to be deep red. I dont use the "M" word. Good football in the juniors though, and the grounds 500 yards from my front door.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeithBoozy
Yes, and nurses or low paid families on tax credits or any other ordinary working person will get hounded to pay back a few hundred quid if HMRC happen to undercharge.Quote:
Originally Posted by col02
Pantone 666. The diabolical bloodied turd! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by TwoCarpets
Is that the same Craig Whyte who denied it in his Scotsman interview only 9 days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elephant Stone
"Q: There is also talk, on top of everything else, of £5m owed in VAT. Are you sitting on a Mount Everest of debt?A: There’s a lot of media hostility towards myself and Rangers. It irks me sometimes. The VAT thing is rubbish. I have regular dialogue with HMRC about a number of issues, in particular the Employment Benefit Trust case. All sorts of things. I talk to them often, I know exactly what they’re doing and what they’re thinking and there’s no issue on that front."
http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-...s_fc_1_2098205
Agree completely, no point in anyone else even taking to the pitch if the Huns get away with this. I think it might be the end for me and Scottish football. I think the saddest thing about that is, Hibs (the team I love and support) hasnt done anything to make me feel that way. It's those that run the game and those odious cretins at Ipox. Cancerous horrible club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiberlin
Excellent post and sums up my feelings well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCarpets
If Rangers were liquidated and Hibs voted to allow them to retain SPL status I'd be finished. There isn't a lot that would make me say that bit such a scenario would do it.
I'm sure i wouldn't be the only one either.
According to STV News the latest HMRC Case is nothing to do with the big tax case, but, PAYE etc since Whyte took over, that makes me feel a lot happier about the situation (I think!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Elephant Stone
Details below of what HMRC charge individuals if late with their self assessment returns, it really p's me off that the Huns could get away with paying what they are due, they are cheating every one of us...................................scu*bags.
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From April 2011, if a Self Assessment Tax Return is filed late or tax paid late, then the following penalties will apply:
Penalties for filing late
One day late and you will be charged an initial penalty of £100 (even if you have no tax to pay or you have already paid all the tax you owe).
Three months late and you will be charged an automatic daily penalty of £10 per day, up to a maximum of £900.
Six months late and you will be charged further penalties, which are the greater of 5% of tax due or £300.
Twelve months late and you will be charged yet more penalties, which are the greater of 5% of tax due or £300. In particularly serious cases you face a higher penalty of up to 100% of the tax due.
Penalties for paying late
Thirty days late and you will be charged an initial penalty of 5% of the tax unpaid at that date.
Six months late and you will be charged a further penalty of 5% of the tax that is still paid unpaid.
Twelve months late and you will be charged a further penalty of 5% of the tax that is still unpaid.
...in addition to interest being charged.
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Originally Posted by GloryGlory
All is still well. Today's shenanigans were only concerned with the current debt INCLUDING 9 million in unpaid tax since Whyte took over. The thermonuclear scenario is still to come. HMRC have made it very plain they're pursueing all monies which with today's revelations about the 9 mil may total 86.5 million. They're badly badly ******. Best case scenario is liquidation with The land at Ibrox sold.
I'll be more than a bit annoyed if they get away without paying the full tax bill (given how individuals and small business are treated), but there's nowt we can do on that front.
If the club "re-organises" and the SPL/SFA/whoever else let them weasel their way back in then I'm finished with Scottish football.
http://radioplayer.clyde1.com/
Could be interesting
This is about more than football. It involves theft from the general public on a grand scale. Just think how many schools and hospitals, teachers and doctors and nurses £49m could fund.
I do feel a wee bit sorry for the ordinary decent Rangers fans though. So here is a wee bit advice for the pair of them for next season's league campaign...if your opening fixture is away to East Stirlingshire, please remember that they are currently groundsharing at Stenhousemuir. :devil:
I'd have to agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Originally Posted by YehButNo But
The wee-er you are, the smaller the amount due the harder they hit you!
I feel that way right now, it might fade but another kick in the hee haws.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli_619
Yep, I'd have to question my loyalty to Hibs if we were to vote Rangers back into the SPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
I like the Daily Mash's insightful journalism on this. Really puts things into perspective I feel.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index....4892&Itemid=26
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Rangers pledges sectarianism as usual
14-02-12
MURDEROUS chant enabler Rangers last night pledged financial meltdown will not interfere with all the hating.
Going into administration could cost the Glasgow giants 10 points in the Scottish 'Premier' League, putting them within 25 points of everyone apart from Celtic, but the club urged fans to remain positive and continue thinking up new rhymes for 'Ratzinger'.
A spokesman said: "As long as there's a Rangers, there will always be one half of Glasgow wishing the other half dead. Everyone should carry on with their sectarian grudges and post-match domestic abuse as normal."
The club faces a potentially fatal £49m tax bill while season ticket sales have dropped since a ban on singing songs about being 'up to one's knees in Fenian blood'.
Now Rangers officials are to meet with UK Jihad 'tsar' Abu Qatada to discuss new ways of making religious hatred more revenue dynamic.
Ideas include blackmailing priests, **** the Pope Bingo and an iPhone app that can identify Catholics by measuring the width of their skulls.
Meanwhile, Celtic fans have set up a Rangers rescue fund after realising that without their Old Firm rivals their lives would be utterly hollow. Celtic fan Bill McKay said: "You've seen the football. No-one is coming here for the football."
The Rangers spokesman added: "It would be very easy to play the blame game, but the unavoidable truth is that the inland revenue is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of Opus Dei."
The club also pledged to continue buying carpet-baggers who couldn't hack it in a proper league and getting its arse handed to it in Europe by teams with names like Vlodzy Kravnaj.
Would be the proper thing to do. However I'm a "Just nipping out for a pack of fags" type guy. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
If rangers can come through this unscathed then I will no longer be supporting Hibs or Scottish football in general.
I can just about handle a crap league, but a corrupt league which turns a blind eye to blatant cheating is not for me.
I don't just mean not going back, I mean no longer supporting the club at all, no strips for the kids etc.
I'm certain I'm not alone in thinking like this and Hibs will have to take this into account in their actions towards a new rangers entity.
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Originally Posted by CyberSauzee
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:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think there might be a few more like you thinking this. This could be the straw that breaks the camels back for some?
Why should Hibs suffer? Its not Hibs fault if they get away with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Why would anyone stop supporting hibs over this?
Mental!
It's not uncommon for restructuring consultants to work with struggling businesses to assist them assess their current financial position and the options for turning the business around from an operating level that is unsustainable or from markets that are uneconomic for them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Paisley Hibby
It's also not uncommon following such a period of working together with a struggling business for that same restructuring practice to then act as administrator through one or more of its partners who are suitably qualified to carry out such work!
It will be up to the rest of the teams in the SPL to approve the re-entry of a new Hun FC. If they do so without extracting a considerable pound of flesh then it will be Hibs fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatecrasher
It's called disillusionment.Quote:
Originally Posted by peterdouglas
If the establishment contrive to cynically ease Rangers through their troubles to the point a white knight comes through when admin is over, with creditors shafted, and starts outspending us all and nicking our players many of us who have seen it all before will be saying " what is the point" of supporting a frugal responsible team in a corrupt league weighed in the OFs favour.
But there's no going to be a new hun fc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Bottom line...new team should start from the bottom.
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
And buried amongst the news from yesterday is this snippet about one of Whyte's companies. Can't pay his taxes and now he's got his hand in the biscuit tin as well...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-17021584
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Pritchard Stockbrokers banned from trading
A stockbroking company which has Rangers owner Craig Whyte as board secretary has been banned from further trading by the financial regulator.
The Financial Services Authority has ruled that Pritchard Stockbrokers had used client money for its own expenses, "thereby putting client money at risk".
What the SFA, the football media, and all the rest are saying is Scottish Football revolves around and exists for the sole purpose of providing four Bigot- Fests per season.
These games are little more than circus freak shows and depend for there "entertainment" value displays of raw hatred and songs about murdering members of the opposition.
If Scottish Football is no more than this they might as well shut up shop now.
That I understand, but as the SPL I feel that it should be that ANY club that goes into administration/liquidation should no longer be part of the SPL. If this is allowed to stand, and rangers are allowed to get away with it, what is the the point of a SPL???? After all SPL clubs get relegated every season, so whats the difference???Quote:
Originally Posted by H18SVG
Interesting post in the TAMB from some guy who seems to know what he is talking about.
Bad times for the Huns. We MUST *** them at every opportunity if this scenario comes to pass.
Here's the deal:
Rangers has to go bust - liquidated - for CW's plan to work. They know they will lose the big tax case. If that happens, HMRC are biggest creditor (even allowing for being unsecured), and their application to appoint an administrator would likelyhave been successful
Because they are currently 'only' owed £9m, they did not have enough sway to convince judge. So, CW gets his guys in. They will be professional, but will also have pre-discussed what to do next.
A quick CVA, and exit from administration is useless to rangers/CW because it would happen before big tax bill hits. That is not currently a debt, so can't be included in any settlement. RFC 1873 would exit admin and last about a month before being back in, with HMRC in far stronger position.
In any case, HMrC will never agree to CVA - it meets none if the criteria, and lack of current PAyE/VAT payments is nail in coffin for that. CW must know this, but will blame HMRC intransigence for eventual liquidation.
If the club goes completely bust, (liquidated, not admin), the assets can be sold to secured creditor's newco if no-one else loses out - which they won't if assets are worth same or less than secured credit. Then, RFC 2012 will own the assets, and will potentially be a football club. ( if there is any excess it will be distributed to unsecured creditors proportionately.)
When the tax case goes against oldco, it will have no impact, as RFC 1873 is already gone, and RFC2012 is a completely new entity. This only works with a liquidation.
RFC 2012 will then only be able to pick up RFC 1873's league role if the SPL agrees. There is a committee which decides if licences can be transferred. This means that all the clubs which have been burned by oldco (eg Hearts) and who have lost put on the pitch to big spending, will have two choices: 1) apply full sanctions and RfC2012 has to apply to rejoin at bottom of the league 2) swallow it, and agree a compromise in exchange for allowing playing licence to transfer (eg 15 points off for next three years). Hobson's choice for them, and The 10pt penalty is not applicable when liquidation occurs.
Rangers won't be in Europe for a number of years, even if 'successful' in liquidation strategy.
I think Whyte recycled his cash immediately, with Ticketus etc. They possibly have step-in rights to his securities to cover their payment. If not, they must be happy with cover - they're not daft. Whyte probably has £1 at risk, and a day 1 plan to abandon old Rangers, and their debts, transfer assets into newco, negotiate something short of new league application, and emerge with Ticketus getting revenues, and him owning a debt free RFC2012 for **** all. It's actually a reasonable and audacious plan if you've got the balls/morals for it.
Where i think he'll fall down is that creditors may have been alienated by his goings on, and will take legal action to tie it up for a long time. The profile is going to be higher than he anticpated, and also there's little chance that he'll pass director's qualifications now! Maybe his mate Ellis will..?
My bet is that because of legal actions, the liquidation and Phoenix co will struggle to happen in time, and RFC will not be in the league next year in any form.
Murray will not buy club back, even if he wanted to, for simple reason that he is allegedly skint. Also, from what I am understand, MIH also administered an EBT in similar fashion, and will be a victim of hMRC win at tribunal. The reason HMRC is so keen, is that RFC is tip of iceberg and is the test case which will establish precedent in many more cases with hundreds of millions at stake.
We need an open letter to Hibs to inform them of this opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I am sure that supporters of other clubs will feel the same. Maybe not Hearts as their turn will soon come.
Click on the link and look at the bottom left of your screen :faf:
http://www.afc-chat....00
Just seen on Twitter that Cousin hasn't been registered with the SPL yet! Does that mean they can't sign him as they now have a transfer embargo in place?
Interesting PoV but incorrect in a number of areas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
RFC 1873 do owe the tax man - the Big Tax Case is Rangers' appeal. Therefore it must appear as a liability, contingent or otherwise as I understand it.
Reforming as a phoenix with the same assets and league position as Rangers 1873 would present an interesting situation and one that HMRC wouldn't look favourably upon.
That being said - the very fact that the same people who walked in with Whyte when he took over are now Administering RFC 1873 stinks. There's a pre-agreed plan and we will just to have wait and see.
Sorry if already posted but this is hilarious! (stolen from the sheep forum)
http://i.imgur.com/77DJY.gif
This story will never be played straight in the Scottish media. This story will remain a Scottish football at risk story rather than what it is, a story about a fraudulent and corrupt organisation that is trying to steal public money. Why? Look at the pages and the % of airtime they get in our press. Journalists and pundits jobs are at risk here as 90% of every Scottish football story has an OF slant.
We will never get the unbiased view from the established media. Thank god for independent bloggers who dig and just tell it like it is.
The Scottish establishment WILL fight tooth and nail to have Rangers survive in some format. I hope they fail. As the posters on here have wonderfully expressed, it is the future of Scottish Football that is at stake...just not in the way our lapdog media is spinning it.
Death to RFC as a club , institution and memory.
Sent from another universe!
More than that, think of the precedent it sets.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCarpets
In the future, what will any club that gets itself into a mess do? Follow the Hibs method of years of cut backs and debt repayment, or pull a Rangers, wiping out their debt and staying in the exact seem league they were in? Because of Rangers get to do that, everyone else will too!
It will, to my mind at least, be far more damaging for the game in this country if they get back into the SPL as a new side straight away than a few years of them being out of the SPL could ever do.
Not paying PAYE & VAT - in effect funding transfers & high living by not making these mandatory payments
They should be up on court on criminal charges for stealing this money
Just to let you know, if re-entry isn't appoved, they WON'T be welcome in the Bundesliga. );Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think we need to try to get the Hibs Board to comment on their stance here. We need our support to make it clear to them that we do not want Rangers to walk back into the SPL.
How can we best make this known to the board?
We also need to join up with other SPL team fans to get them to do similar.
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Originally Posted by MCameron
Hibs wont comment on something that is hypothetical, though looking likely , at the moment.
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Originally Posted by hibs13681
Might explain Whyte's claim that he'd 'provide' £25m for investment in the team over the next five years ?
I hope they get precisely what's coming to them.
100% agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by John_the_angus_hibby
Won't happen as the organisation would be a 'mare, but it would be cool if a weekend boycott could be organised across the board in the SPL. Would be great if virtually only Rangers fans turned up for the weekend. Empty stadiums up and down the country. Would send a big message but only a dream alas!
Sent from another universe!
Why should we bother about the old firm, they would not hesitate going down to England now, maybe the huns will reform in the English leagues. Local team may benefit from new supporters.
We just need to make clear on forums such as this as the board almost certainly read what the fans think.
Next time you see Rod walking about behind the goals tell him what you expect of him on this matter.
This is probably the only chance we will be able to change the Scottish game for the better and for the Hibs board not to take it would be unforgivable.
Fair enough SO but surely they should be made aware of the strength of Hibs fans feelings on the matter which will help shape their position should it come to pass?Quote:
Originally Posted by SunnyLeith
The time to do that is when there is a specific thing upon which Hibs have to decide - when the SPL vote on NewHun coming into the league if they go into liquidation. If they go into and come out of administration unscathed - which seems increasingly unlikely I think - then there is no sanction Hibs/the SPL can legally take other than what they have done so far as far as I am aware. If Hibs have an option to consign them to division three (which would be the right thing to do for RFC2012) THAT's when we have to say "have the cahoonas to do the necessary or be aware of the consequences"Quote:
Originally Posted by MCameron
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCarpets
This is terrifying, the ICF against HMRC. No seriously.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...41791642_n.jpg
Someone over on hunmedia saying there are rumours Whyte is on a plane to London en-route to Australia. Might not be true but if it is. The Hibees salute you!!
I'm sure Danny Dyer will be there to record all events as its going to be pwopper nauwtie.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
Got some big top boys the HMRC mob
Classic OF spelling problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulSmith
But is this a threat or a promise? I'm confused are they going to fight the Taxman?
The BBC just meekly doing everything they can to sell the idea that (somehow) Celtic, and 'Scottish Football' need Rangers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Says who??
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Originally Posted by Cropley10
No, they are going to refuse to cash their benefit cheques in protest. :agree:
While undoubtedly my heart says that it would be brilliant to have no Rangers in Scottish football, and that 100% they should face the consequences of their mis-management, I think the SPL have a huge dilemma to face up to if they do go into liquidation.
For one, re-instating them sets a very dangerous precedent because it paves the way for any number of clubs to emerge from financial mis-management almost unscathed.
Then the risk alienating the fans of all other clubs, most of whom would be keen to see Rangers get their cumuppance.
The problem is, financially the SPL and it's clubs are much better off with Rangers in the league. TV rights are more valuable and lucrative, as well as easier to sell with the OF derby, and the fact that the title race is generally close between the two of them.
Rangers bring a huge travelling support that boosts the coffers of the rest of the SPL twice a season, not to mention cup games.
By not allowing Rangers an SPL place, the SPL risks forcing all clubs to downsize as there is significantly lower income available, therefore everyone would have to cut their cloth accordingly. For us, where we lost almost a million pounds last season and are facing a poor financial year again this year, dropping the income further could be catastrophic and result in a significant change in the way the club is run.
Would clubs vote for a situation that would potentially put their own existence in jeopardy? I don't think so.
Ultimately, would we want to see a Hibs side far poorer than the one we've got just now as a result of having to downsize? I'm not sure I would, to be honest.
What's wrong with well-implemented reparations?
Like a student loan - you pay on a sliding scale with transparency to prove no shady dealings.
And they're not allowed to annex Govan or march in groups of more than 3 at a time.
Thoughtful analysis as ever Matty rock and a hard place - what would you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Something will need to be done but I suspect behind closed doors to save face.
Will we get to know about it? I wonder. It's a &£@@ state of affairs as Renton said.
I'd vote for them tae get tae ****Quote:
Originally Posted by VivaPalmeiras
Think I would too, on reflection.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
I don't think Rangers will get to that stage - if they do they have to face the consequences. If the clubs let them away with it -it would be the end for the game in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
At Hibs at least we run our club pretty well compared to others so we would maybe come out better than some - yes it may damage SPL short term but long term - Hibs and the SPL would be more competitive.
Too long teams have been sucking up to the Old Firm and it's time that changed :agree:
Lock the gates at Ibrox for good. Preferably during a home game with a full house, so that at least some of the bigoted hordes are removed from civilised society for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by VivaPalmeiras
Good to read. Hopefully if Rangers try to not pay their debts and carry on regardless the other 11 teams will collectively refuse tp play in the league. Our chairmen need to grow a set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
:agree: They have to be brought to book for their actions, or it really is the end game for Scottish football. If they get away with it, what is the point of carrying on anymore?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
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Originally Posted by matty_f
I think your believing what pundits are spouting. We will only play the Huns once at home this season, and the gate that day was 11,380.Thats only 1200 more than Saturdays gate against the Dons which incurred far less costs than hosting the Huns.
For a Rangers game the police costs are about double and stewarding about 50% more than a run of the mill SPL fixture therefor they are not profitable unless we get 16,000 + supporters through the turnstiles.
Where it would cost clubs would be in the T V deal but a more even share of a smaller deal might be not that much of a loss to make up for life without the Blue Turds.
If the huns do go into liquidation theres only one way to stop the other half of the manky mob running away with the league every year.
The remaining SPL clubs ( excluding celtic of course ) vote for a wage cap of £5,000 and win bonuses capped to £1,000
This would prevent any club being able to dominate the league ever again, including the new huns when they finally claw their way back out of the 3rd division.
The clubs could also vote in an even split of any TV deal. Yeh the TV money would be less, but with an even split the only clubs who would really suffer would be the OF coz they get the majority of the money just now anyway.
Also the rest of the SPL clubs would hopefully benefit from a rise in home crowds due to the more competative league.
This is a golden chance for Scottish football in my opinion.
Yes it would reduce our chances of doing well in Europe, but .... A ) we aint exactly doing that well just now anyway and .... B ) whats the point of worrying about the new extension when the rest of your bloody house is burning down ?
This. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I don't see how the TV money would change surely it's just like them getting relegated?:confused:
If Sky were smart, and you have to assume they are, they would have seen that Rangers hitting the skids was a distinct possibility, and inserted some sort of clause to protect themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by TRC
Hibs share of tv money last year was £715000 rangers was £2.3m.
If tv money were to drop then that could be made up with a more equal share of a smaller pie.
With the Sunday lunchtime kick off, the crowds for old firm games are no longer much higher than standard league games.
I really don't think that Scottish football needs rangers as much as we need a return to sporting integrity.
First post on this thread so allow me to open by saying YAAA - - HOO :thumbsup:
It seems to me that Whyte has been expecting admin/liquidation all along and is counting on exactly what's being mooted - ie a debt free New Huns FC being welcomed back by the good ole SPL with penalties imposed which they will vigorously fight to minimise - all the while sticking two fingers up at the tax payer and any other creditors unlucky enough to find themselves stooges in their (grand) master plan.
Would love to see Scottish football call his bluff and send them packing to be re-elected to the third division in the event of liquidation. This afterall would be the naturally just way to deal with the situation - they have effectively been cheating all the other teams blind for years and in all fairness should reap the whirlwind they have sewn in the same way any other club would.
Of course though the other SPL clubs are scared that they will effectively be cutting off their noses to spite their faces - and it cannot be denied that all SPL clubs could expect a hit in revenue through loss of gate receipts as well as possible reductions in TV and sponsorship money.
But is the scale of this "catastrophy" as it is being painted being overblown? I believe it is.
For a start, we could fully expect a new Ranger's absence from the SPL to be temporary as they would most likely march through the leagues in short order and be back in the SPL in time for 2015 season. Also there are significant potential benefits to many clubs which should not be ignored.
Firstly, a number of SPL clubs would have an increased oportunity to qualify for European football at a higher level and for a number of years.
Also, the OF power duopoly which has been allowed to develop in top tier Scottish Football would be broken - providing an opportunity to change the rule book in a manner which is not perpetually warped for their benefit.
Lastly and certainly not least, there would be a great boost to the lower levels of Scottish Football - with each team in each division in succession enjoying a couple of home sellouts vs the huns along with possible TV income etc.
These factors, along with straightforward concepts of fairness which should be paramount in any sporting competition, should not be ignored in the big "what will we do with Rangers" equation - sadly, they more than likely will. Ach well, in the meantime I'll just enjoy the moment. So...
GIRFUY ya Greetin faced Hun Barstewards!!!
:na na::faf::dummytit::bye::boo hoo::cool2::party::hibees
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Originally Posted by PaSaikouKujabi
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For once Blackpool :wink: I wholeheartedly agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
What would be the point in carrying on?
What would be the point of any team operating financially within their means if certain clubs can cheat their way to title after title, whilst actually stealing from HMRC, just to have their slate wiped clean and be voted back into the league.
The tv deals would be revised if Rangers weren't in the SPL , so what, it's not as if there is a fair split of the money between clubs in the league anyway.
**** Rangers, let them die.
It's not just tv money that would effect us, it'd be sponsorship money, player sales, attendences and hospitality would likely go down too.
That said, I actually agree, IF rangers reform as a new company then they have to start at the bottom
If the huns do go down the tubes and a new company is formed and allowed straight in tae the SPL that will be it for me. It will prove once and for all that the rest of the SPL exist for nae other reason than tae give some sort of legitimacy tae the OF league campaign and their qualification for Europe every year. It will prove beyond all doubt that Scottish fitba is rotten tae the core and run by crooks, shysters and OF sycophants and that everything and everybody else is irrelevant other than for the reason in bold above. If our board have any part in that decision tae let them back in it will be sheer hypocrisy on their part IMO. For years under their guidance we have paid hundreds of pounds a season while suffering dire fitba (some of the worst I've seen in my 30+ years of watching Hibs) while trying tae live within our means. If this club under whatever guise who have done exactly the opposite spending/stealing millions out of other peoples pockets buying cups, league titles and Euro qualification are allowed back in it will be an absolute disgrace and prove that cheats prosper. We could get relegated and they can stay in the top division? What's the point of trying tae do things the right way if cheats get away with doing it the wrong way and come out better off?
And before anybody says it, I'm not for a second suggesting we should have gone down the same road as the huns, merely pointing out what sheer hypocrisy IMO it would be on the part of our board if they were tae vote this lot back in, should the go defunct.
They should not just have to start at the bottom. They are offloading £100m of debt. They will no doubt look at starting at the bottom as a bargain. They would be back in the SPL by 2015.
There should also be a surcharge put on them of £5m per year for the next ten years to go towards youth development.
Even then they are still getting a bargain.
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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
That's it in a nutshell for me. If they get away with a slap on the wrist, then the pain that Hibs have sufferred in recent years to balance the books has been pointless. I have always felt it has perhaps been worth it to ensure that Hibs survive for future generations. But if they can do the exact opposite and still get to survive, then what has been the point?
Yup, if they get away with it, it's like a message to all the other clubs to just spend, spend, spend, dont bother paying taxes, and not to worry about the consequences. In fact, we could all orchestrate it to apply for administration at exactly the same time every 10 years, we all get docked 10 points, thus not affecting league placings, wipe the debt then start over.....Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeKay
Just a shame der Hun have scuppererd any chance of the banks etc lending to SPL clubs ever again.
League reconstruction is on its way.
Listen to what Regan, Doncaster ,the Sports Pundits are saying; A fresh look at the whole Scottish set-up/ An over whelming desire for change in the game/ crap about the necessity for the Huns to be included etc.
It will be a larger league next year ,maybe SPL 1 and SPL 2 but Rangers will be part of it.
What clubs must demand is fair distribution of of income, an end the the Old Firm veto, and the Huns starting in SPL 2 with suitable financial penalties in place to compensate their Football Victims (Yams excluded :greengrin )
This is one chance to level the playing field that cannot be missed.
It is vital everyone on here lets our Board know our position and will not tolerate them rolling over like they did when they supported a ten team SPL 2 years ago.:grr: