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It's obviously been fact checked that she has never qualified or been commissioned or she would do them with slander.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
What about her blatantly lying about turkey or saying the 180 best innovations aren't used by the NHS. Doesn't it worry you that we could have the second prime minister in a row that isn't intelligent and clearly lies
Charlotte Church is brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Stacey Solomon is another one I’ve found to be great once you get beyond the media caricature.
My partner is a huge fan of them both.
Don't group herbal and homeopathy. Homeopathy is for mentalists and is up there with horoscopes and reiki. Mordaunt was unhappy with the NHS defunding the quackery. But when it works no better than placebo why would they. The NHS saysQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Homeopathy is a "treatment" based on the use of highly diluted substances, which practitioners claim can cause the body to heal itself.
A 2010 House of Commons Science and Technology Committee report on homeopathy said that homeopathic remedies perform no better than placebos (dummy treatments).
In 2017 NHS England said it would no longer fund homeopathy on the NHS as the lack of any evidence for its effectiveness did not justify the cost. This was backed by a High Court judgement in 2018
The ideas that underpin homeopathy aren't accepted by mainstream science, and aren't consistent with long-accepted principles on the way the physical world works.
The Committee's 2010 report on homeopathy said the "like cures like" principle is "theoretically weak", and that this is the "settled view of medical science".
For example, many homeopathic remedies are diluted to such an extent that it's unlikely there's a single molecule of the original substance remaining in the final remedy. In cases like these, homeopathic remedies consist of nothing but water.
Some homeopaths believe that, as a result of the succussion process, the original substance leaves an "imprint" of itself on the water. But there's no known mechanism by which this can occur.
The 2010 report said: "We consider the notion that ultra-dilutions can maintain an imprint of substances previously dissolved in them to be scientifically implausible."
Some people who use homeopathy may see an improvement in their health condition as the result of a phenomenon known as the placebo effect
Bit rich when you have form for posting stuff from wings over Scotland :hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Seriously shallow talent pool in this debate.
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There is dearth of talent in this Tory party. If you are smart enough not to bow down to the Faiths of Brexit and Anti-Wokeness there is no place for you. What is left is chancers and genuine loons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Truss is brilliant, she's dressed like Thatcher, quoting Reagan and wants to go to Russia and sort Putin out face to face, she's stuck in 1985, bit like a Tory Rocky 4Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I can picture her standing over the UK economy, which is flat out on the canvass, wearing her Brexit t-shirt saying, “if it dies, it dies”!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
The UK is heading for the grubber. I don’t think that can be stopped now. Labour are on board with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
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Sunak seems a fairly competent and switched on guy. Probably the best of the candidates available.
must be living in a different worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
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At least he seems to realise that if you furlough half the country for two years it has to be paid for and not by more massive borrowing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Top marks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby70
The debt could be parked for a while longer. Asking the public to take on more tax rises after 12 years of austerity is adding insult to injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Maybe, just maybe, hugely rich people could be asked to chip in since they did very well during austerity. Instead they get tax cuts. It might appear normal but it isn't by a long margin.
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Tomorrow's leadership debate has been cancelled by Sky after Truss and Sunak pulled out.
Was there any real need for another debate anyway?
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I was initially against having the debates as I thought there's no point since I don't have a vote.
But actually I found them really insightful. It was interesting to discover that none of the contenders had any single clue about the issues facing the country, they all avoided mentioning the disaster that 12 years of Tory Govt has been, and watching them tear each other to pieces over their lack of vision and policies to address the problems they themselves have caused. They avoided discussing Brexit and climate change, two of the biggest issues facing the country and indeed the world.
I am sorry they've cancelled the next debate. The more people see the shocking inadequacy of these Tory would-be leaders, the better, in my view. They are pathetic.
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Tory HQ was reportedly instrumental at pulling the plug on the remaining leadership debate.Initially, the thinking had been that the country should get to know the candidates. Later, the worry became that the country would get to know the candidates.
YouGov poll of Tory party members released today looks at what they consider the most important issues in deciding which candidate to support. Bottom of the list, with only 4% thinking it's important, is climate change.
We are doomed.Quote:
Thinking about the Conservative Party leadership contest, which of the following, if any, are most important to you in deciding which candidate to support? Please choose up to three.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/enp8i6uu...est_220713.pdf
I suppose we should be grateful they all turned up for the show.
The last time the Tories had a leadership TV debate there was one notable absentee - the eventual winner.
He dodged it as he dodged the Andrew Neill interview later on. Any risk of being left looking clueless was not to be taken.
He got away with it too! All those clods in the red wall fell for his "charisma".
The ones who were "lucky" enough to be one of lord Deighton's fast track preferred suppliers for PPE could maybe be persuaded to return some of their plunder from the over priced or defective equipment they were allowed to supply?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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That depends if you think you've made up your mind which one of them you're going to vote for. Is it 'He's Here' or 'She's Here?':greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Think they were damaging them all in the eyes of the electorate. Someone somewhere obviously thought they’d better get the clowns out of plain sightQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62206727
Johnson on top of his brief:
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Boris Johnson says he has no idea why Labour wants to debate a confidence motion in the government.
Speaker Lindsay Hoyle points out to the PM that the government tabled the motion.
Tugendhat out as expected
Amazed he got that far, doesn't come across as anywhere near nasty enough, no obvious deviances, no made up past history and no obvious lies during the campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Surely there must be courses he can go on to get the odd conviction or made up military career, working class history etc.. ...?
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i actually thought Tugendhat sounded very un-tory like last night, sounded half-decent
so not in the slightest bit surprised he's emptied
next, Badenoch
next, penny whatever her name is
Truss, dresses like thatcher which has surely aroused a lot of her peers, likes wearing furry Russian hats
Sunak, the man that will make sure those in society with lots of money will keep it, at the expense of those that have next to **** all, a PM that will delight the energy companies.
He seems like a decent toff like bloke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
In the context of the competition he's like a Judas Goat in reverse.
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meanwhile, Big Dog has missed three Cobra meetings on the heatwave whilst finding time in his diary for little jollies, lining up those big deals coming his way no doubt
he's a real man of the people eh
a Tory Police and Crime Commissioner that pledged a road safety crackdown on speeding motorists has herself been handed a ban after getting caught speeding five times in just 3 months, even though she's a tory surely tae **** even her position is now untenable
but it's ok cause she told the judge "i'm really sorry"
Tory PCC facing calls to resign after five speeding offences lead to driving ban (msn.com)
Tory in behaving like a Tory scandal, do as I say not as I do. Knighthood imminent.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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:tsk tsk: No willie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Anything is possible in the nasty party,especially where cars are involved[emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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He actually was the one with the real services record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Badenoch had a go at him for criticising the cabinet performance over the Johnson period. She said it was easy to snipe at people like her who had served on the cabinet front line.
He laughed and said he was the only candidate who had actually served on the front line...
Silly billy Kemi walked into that one 🤣
She gave the briefest of statements when coming out of magistrates court and could then be seen to be smirking as she walked away. At least a couple of those offences were for speeding in the proximity of Burford School. Oxclose Lane where those two offences occured have permanent static cameras so she's obviously not a quick learner. She came out with some rot about her 'deep pain' and 'heartbreaking family circumstances. Her 'children' are in their early twenties I believe. Thankfully, the judge told her that her Tory MP husband could ferry the kids about whilst she is banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Seems to tick the nasty and a bit thick box then? Could go far.Quote:
Originally Posted by stu in nottingham
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I liked the way the report referred to her as a 'crime boss'. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Yeah, everyone knows that's a cabinet job.Quote:
Originally Posted by stu in nottingham
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https://twitter.com/EmmaKennedy/stat...FQxf-oatw&s=19
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Top issue:Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
4% climate change
49% immigration
The nasty party never changes.
A link to the text of Our Leader’s Speech yesterday at the Farnborough air show. All important issues covered I think.
https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...w-18-july-2022
Any links to the minutes of his meetings with the ledbedev's and assorted Russians in Italy?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Immigration is important. Particularly in Scotland. Our ageing population is due to start falling in a few years, and we need to be encouraging people to migrate to Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Sadly Tory supporters would rather demonise folk risking their life to get to the UK.
Tugendhat is the only one in the race that I think may have worried the opposition parties if there was another general election. The rest of them are much of a muchness and representative of what the Tory party has become.
Those percentages show up the group think which I personally just can't get my head around. "Weirdos" is all I can think.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
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Any one of them will win an election. Its not about politics anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
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Absolutely. It wasn’t what the Tories were doing that the English public tired of, it was his personality. They are totally fine with people trafficking to Rwanda, tax cuts for the rich and generally putting up barriers with the rest of the world. They just got tired of being lied to. Even the most rabid fanatics can only take so much of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Starmer has no chance against Sunak, Mordaunt or Truss.
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UK stuck down a Brexit rabbit hole.
https://www.newstatesman.com/comment...eady-nightmare
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Aye, but blue passports, crowns on our pint glasses, no more straight cucumbers etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
And that's only the beginning of the brexit benefits Rees Mogg is compiling a list of.
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...9ee58266e1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Eh, about those blue passports…..
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Boris might be PM after election.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/...EupvVQHIQ&s=19
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Good idea. That's how they ran Wimbledon in the early days - all challengers had a competition to win the right to take on the incumbent in a 'final'. Square go between Truss and Johnson? Wouldn't be any more absurd than Truss becoming PM anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-62223132
Anything to combat the cost of living. How can he remain neutral in this Saturday?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2126416.html
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Government officials told Priti Patel not to do asylum deal with Rwanda, court hears
Bad Enoch loses the next round, Sunak, maurdant and truss left for tomorrow
Truss, Mordaunt in the final two?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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:greengrin
https://twitter.com/Darren_Dutton/st...cTFgpFE9-aROeAQuote:
Toxic Bad-Enoch out, which is good. She was always angling for a top job in the new Cabinet, rather than winning the leadership, and she's probably achieved that now. It's going to be Sunak v Mordaunt/Truss, and either of the women would probably beat Sunak amongst the party members.
I dont think thats possible without defections from the Sunak camp, which seems unlikely at this stage. Mordaunt is 26 behind Sunak, Truss is 32 behind Sunak. Badenoch's 59 supporters will have to choose between the remaining 3, most wont go to Sunak, but it would have to be all 59 going exactly 26-32 to each of the other two candidates which would force a virtual dead heat between the 3, with the 1 remaining vote deciding the winner between all three! Not going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Its Sunak in, against either Mordor or Truss, who will THEN become the favourite in front of the membership.
Remember that maurdant has lost the support of the mp who was away working in Moldova and Ukraine because he wasn't there for the confidence vote 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Ellwood? Thats true. But that means 58 instead of 59, so the scenario of the exact spread to take the two girls through at the expense of Sunak is no more likely. It does raise the fantastic possibility of a 3 way dead heat if my maths is correct, which would be funny. Coin toss?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Badenochs supporters will mostly go to truss. Should be truss Sunak next round, with truss our new fuhrer
Sunak supporters might be getting a little nervous at all the polls which show him losing among the members whoever he is up against? Also, the fact that he hasn’t got it over the line among mp’s so far might be giving cause for concern?
Do some jump ship to Mordaunt to stop Truss? Maybe some jump the other way to stop Mordaunt?
I would think there must be some nervousness among their support over his inability to get this over the line and his general unpopularity among members.
Maybe I’m over thinking it.
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Skybet next pm
Truss 1/1
Sunak 11/8
Mordaunt 7/1
Truss would be thoroughly depressing
Might be what is needed to get independence over the line though? Thatcher Mark 2!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
None of them are a feel good uplifting hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Unlikely. Sunak v Truss is more like it as Badenoch votes likely to go to her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Sunak only 2 votes shy of automatic final spot
Sunak two up at Tynie. But wait...Quote:
Originally Posted by LewysGot2
This will surely get those Tory members throbbing with excitement ...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYCbvSTX...jpg&name=large
Apparently, in previous contests who led from the beginning has never won. Get your well earned on truss.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Maurdant : what is that amazing thing floating on the water?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Naval reservist : A sailing ship, commander.
Maurdant : but how does it not sink to the bottom of the ocean?
Naval reservist : because it is built to float, unlike you.
Boris Johnson didQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Did he? Apologies then for the misinformation. 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by LewysGot2
He is the only oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The tories showing they have changed, could have a run off between boris's Chancellor who got a fixed penalty and his foreign secretary
Boris is backing Truss - he's been manoeuvering in the shadowsQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
What. A. Disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by LewysGot2
Who to blame?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I just hope Gove gets to the bottom of it, metaphorically speaking.
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Prime Minister Truss. We get what we deserve. :aok:
I don’t believe we do. Scotland doesn't vote for these crooks and hasn't since 1955. Cue incoming cries of but its a UK vote etc. I ****ing know and that's why we need to gtf out!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
Edit and actually very few people will actually be voting for her as PM. Tories and only Tories crowning the new ruler.
Heseltine was on telly yesterday criticising the election process, saying that having 150k, mostly old, mostly right wing people picking the next PM was a load of old bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Not quite in those terms but you get the idea.
To be fair we have had quite a few PMs who were not the leader at the time of the election. It’s is it a side effect our democracy where we elect the party. It’s better than a GE every time there is a change of leadership. I might remember incorrectly but did Sturgeon not take over form Salmond mid term?Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
They tend to go on to win the next GE anyway.
I was thinking it was a far from ideal state of affairs, but then the alternative (ie the change in leader bringing about a GE) would never have seen the Tories oust Johnson mid term, leaving us with a totally unsuitable PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
(Accepting that all of these candidates will leave us with an unsuitable PM, just a different one).
A reminder that it was Tobias Ellwood, who lost the Tory whip yesterday, who dragged Johnson over the coals last year re-defence spending.
This was when Johnson said it was silly to think there would be tank battles on the European land mass any time soon.
Makes him look like the ill prepared idiot he is.
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/s...mGAf7kzwA&s=19
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Tanks have been shown up in Ukraine, Russia has lost over 800, more than UK, France and italy's combined tank numbers. They cost millions each and have been destroyed by £50,000 nlaws and Javelins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I think Russia being so poor should show us we should spend less on military. But of course every nation is doing the opposite and is increasing the budget and spending billions on weapons when people are starving
We'll just have to bite the bullet. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Is that the only "either/or" situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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WTF is going on???
https://humanists.uk/2022/07/19/abor...hts-statement/
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A UK Government-organised multinational statement committing to the fundamental rights of women and girls has been amended to remove references to ‘sexual and reproductive health and rights’ and ‘bodily autonomy’. The statement was issued by the UK as part of an intergovernmental conference it hosted in London on 5-6 July.
The original statement was issued as part of the 2022 International Ministerial Conference on FoRB. It gave a commitment to abolishing discriminatory laws that ‘restrict women’s and girls’ full and equal enjoyment of all human rights, including sexual and reproductive health and rights, bodily autonomy’. It also said it would ‘support and build capacities of local religious and belief leaders to… ensure access to sexual and reproductive health and rights’.
However, it has now been revised, removing all references to ‘sexual and reproductive rights’ and ‘bodily autonomy’.
It’s just the way the UK is going. Suck it up, as the Scottish Secretary would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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I’m not 100% sure but the Foreign Office I think had that brief and Truss was the For Secretary at that time and was the keynote speaker. So probably has her populist paws all over it. Jesus. Anti abortionists in power in the UK, WTAF.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Culture wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Christ, Johnson really thinks he's going to come back, doesn't he? :confused:
If Truss gets in then it will be like he never left.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Mission largely accomplished.
So we finally get to know what the Russians said to bonehead at the famous meeting in ledbedev's villa.
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Haven't followed events today as yet but I've always felt he would believe that. I think that little snake, Cummings referred to similar. His methods have always employed hanging on and hanging on until opinion changes and people forget (sometimes wilfully) the truth of events.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I guess that'll be Russia out of Ukraine then. Wait, what's that, the war is still ongoing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
As expected Sunak v truss for the Tory members to vote on
Yep, I'm particularly liking how he's got Brexit done and sorted out the N I protocol. What a guy, what a legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
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Truss will be the next PMQuote:
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Pork Markets.
Think Sturgeon was appointed unopposed after his resignation 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642