Brexit - What Now.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/tra...tain-disaster/

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It has found that all advanced economies suffered the same collapse of trade during Covid but that the UK has missed out on much of the rebound. All advanced economies’ trade fell by 20% during the first wave of the pandemic, but by the end of last year, while the average advanced economies trade was 3% higher than before Covid, the UK’s remained 12% below. The UK’s trade as a percentage of GDP has collapsed – it is down two and a half times more than other similar countries.

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In the latest polls, 58% now say it was wrong for Britain to leave the EU, 60% say Brexit is going badly and 53% support rejoining the EU immediately.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/i

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But Ref2 is off the agenda for the Labour Party. The policy is to continue to apply lipstick to a pig. As in so many cases, one voter seems to be more important than another kind of voter.

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@RichardGCorbett
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In the latest polls, 58% now say it was wrong for Britain to leave the EU, 60% say Brexit is going badly and 53% support rejoining the EU immediately.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/i

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Why would they have us back? Why? De Gaulle was against UK joining in the first place.

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But Ref2 is off the agenda for the Labour Party. The policy is to continue to apply lipstick to a pig. As in so many cases, one voter seems to be more important than another kind of voter.

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The One Nation tories were purged in 2019.

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The One Nation tories were purged in 2019.

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That is true. Not sure how it relates to my post though:greengrin

The racists never voted for this.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1018568.html

Immigration has increased since Brexit, admits Tory MP

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The racists never voted for this.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1018568.html

Immigration has increased since Brexit, admits Tory MP

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Oops.

Number 22,034 in the list of "this isn't the Brexit I voted for".

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But Mr O’Brien said the UK was now seeing more immigration from “poorer” countries, rather than European areas or Canada, the US, New Zealand and Australia.

“The same very high immigration, but more from poorer countries wasn’t what people wanted from Brexit,” he said.

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Oops.

Number 22,034 in the list of "this isn't the Brexit I voted for".

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And whisper it but alot are black too. Big Clive wanted his country back, not all these hardworking people with beautiful food and culture

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And whisper it but alot are black too. Big Clive wanted his country back, not all these hardworking people with beautiful food and culture

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My office has begun encountering a new recruitment issue, compared to preBrexit many more of our new employees from abroad have much further to go before they're fully proficient in both written and oral English.

Previously the foreign nationals in the building were the ones with the best spoken English :greengrin

https://centralbylines.co.uk/the-los...hic-time-bomb/

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The growing labour and skill shortages across the economy of the UK are fundamentally down to the explosion of our demographic time bomb. The UK has an ageing population with an ageing, shrinking, domestic workforce and – just as importantly – an ageing, shrinking, domestic-business-owning class. More people are retiring from the UK labour market at one end than are entering it at the other.

Freedom of Movement mostly defused the UK’s demographic time bomb but Boris Johnson’s hard Brexit (endorsed by Keir Starmer’s Labour) re-armed the bomb and it has now exploded.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/BenGartsi...76138380361728

BenGartside
Exc: The Government's post-Brexit reforms to cut red tape face civil service backlash – for creating more red tape.

Government minutes reveal plans to review policies within two years amid "pushback" over the proposals, which were described as a burden

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My office has begun encountering a new recruitment issue, compared to preBrexit many more of our new employees from abroad have much further to go before they're fully proficient in both written and oral English.

Previously the foreign nationals in the building were the ones with the best spoken English :greengrin

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I used to recruit for an airline and the first hurdles on assessment day were basic English and Maths tests, anyone failing either would be eliminated from the process. The percentage of UK born citizens failing these tests was near 50% as opposed to foreign applicants where only around 15% were sent home after the first stage. Recruitment for Gatwick was particularly bad, so much so that they eventually widened the goal posts for candidates.

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I used to recruit for an airline and the first hurdles on assessment day were basic English and Maths tests, anyone failing either would be eliminated from the process. The percentage of UK born citizens failing these tests was near 50% as opposed to foreign applicants where only around 15% were sent home after the first stage. Recruitment for Gatwick was particularly bad, so much so that they eventually widened the goal posts for candidates.

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Crazy!

From four years ago but still apt. Some foreigners dispassionately discussing the trends and predictions for the post brexit UK.

https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/statu...oPKjipxfA&s=19

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Great to see this.

Support for rejoining the EU is soaring among Scottish voters, a poll shows.

A new Panelbase survey has found that Scotland is even more opposed to Brexit than in 2016, when 62 per cent voted against. Now 72 per cent say they would vote Remain, while 69 per cent, would vote to rejoin the EU — up from 61 per cent in January.

Those opposed to Brexit are more inclined to back independence.

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A new Panelbase survey has found that Scotland is even more opposed to Brexit than in 2016, when 62 per cent voted against. Now 72 per cent say they would vote Remain, while 69 per cent, would vote to rejoin the EU — up from 61 per cent in January.

Those opposed to Brexit are more inclined to back independence.

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Good news (you'll notice I'm back to believing in polls again :greengrin) but I can't understand the 3% who would vote Remain but wouldn't vote to Rejoin?

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Good news (you'll notice I'm back to believing in polls again :greengrin) but I can't understand the 3% who would vote Remain but wouldn't vote to Rejoin?

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People who haven't changed their minds about what was the right thing to do but believe we've got to live with the consequences of the vote?

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

People who haven't changed their minds about what was the right thing to do but believe we've got to live with the consequences of the vote?

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Well for one thing some people have changed their mind since the percentages have changed. And secondly if you now know what is the right thing to do why would you not want to do it?

I'm just spaffing, but this whole "and now we've got to live with it" gets on my nerves. It was the wrong thing to do, we now know it was the wrong thing to do, why on Earth would we not change it? If you take the wrong turn when driving in the country and you realise you're going the wrong way, do you continue going the wrong way or do you turn round?

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Well for one thing some people have changed their mind since the percentages have changed. And secondly if you now know what is the right thing to do why would you not want to do it?

I'm just spaffing, but this whole "and now we've got to live with it" gets on my nerves. It was the wrong thing to do, we now know it was the wrong thing to do, why on Earth would we not change it? If you take the wrong turn when driving in the country and you realise you're going the wrong way, do you continue going the wrong way or do you turn round?

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Shirley you have to keep driving for a generation before you can decide which?

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Shirley you have to keep driving for a generation before you can decide which?

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What if it's applied to post independence. I'm sure we'll be financially worse of for a few years post independence. I am hopeful but also believe that will change after that and we'll be able to kick on financially.

The press will be in overdrive post independence highlighting every negative, what if the polls show a majority would rejoin. When would be OK for another election.

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When would be OK for another election.

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Oh that's an easy one! I know!! I know!!

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What if it's applied to post independence. I'm sure we'll be financially worse of for a few years post independence. I am hopeful but also believe that will change after that and we'll be able to kick on financially.

The press will be in overdrive post independence highlighting every negative, what if the polls show a majority would rejoin. When would be OK for another election.

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It would surely need to be a generation... say 20 years?


:greengrin


On a serious note though, as per the current conversation around an independence referendum, if a party standing on a ticket that included a 'rejoin' referendum won a Scottish Government election then they've been given the permission of the electorate to arrange one.

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Well for one thing some people have changed their mind since the percentages have changed. And secondly if you now know what is the right thing to do why would you not want to do it?

I'm just spaffing, but this whole "and now we've got to live with it" gets on my nerves. It was the wrong thing to do, we now know it was the wrong thing to do, why on Earth would we not change it? If you take the wrong turn when driving in the country and you realise you're going the wrong way, do you continue going the wrong way or do you turn round?

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Yeah, I know, I was taking a guess at the 3% difference, not trying to generalise beyond them. I think even the diehard Leavers realise it was a completely pish idea now, they're just too stubborn to say it out loud.

I don't think the EU would particularly welcome the UK back, btw. Well, certainly not the divided, bitter, raging UK of the moment.

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Yeah, I know, I was taking a guess at the 3% difference, not trying to generalise beyond them. I think even the diehard Leavers realise it was a completely pish idea now, they're just too stubborn to say it out loud.

I don't think the EU would particularly welcome the UK back, btw. Well, certainly not the divided, bitter, raging UK of the moment.

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I agree. There is no way back in for the UK for at least 30 years. And when they do go back in, and I’m sure they will, it will be on the EU’s terms.
Scotland could be back in within 5 years if we want it enough.


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remember wee mikey gove said brexit meant the uk would be an environmental leader (1) UK is with EU on Twitter: "Marr: Are you absolutely clear that our environmental standards will not be loosened by leaving the EU? Gove: Yes, we can have a green brexit that ensures Britain is an environmental leader 2016 #BrexitLies #TorySewageParty https://t.co/iRPujCMTBF" / Twitter

even the princess told us..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa0rtlmX...jpg&name=small
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...Eg&oe=630976ED

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Great to see this.

Support for rejoining the EU is soaring among Scottish voters, a poll shows.

A new Panelbase survey has found that Scotland is even more opposed to Brexit than in 2016, when 62 per cent voted against. Now 72 per cent say they would vote Remain, while 69 per cent, would vote to rejoin the EU — up from 61 per cent in January.

Those opposed to Brexit are more inclined to back independence.

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Nearly 70 percent?

That's significantly above the magic made up number needed got a referendum on the subject

Get it done

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https://twitter.com/alextaylornews/s...w-KNifqlRzgjJQ

Another clip from Maitlis speech last night. It really was impressive and I have a new found respect for her.


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remember wee mikey gove said brexit meant the uk would be an environmental leader (1) UK is with EU on Twitter: "Marr: Are you absolutely clear that our environmental standards will not be loosened by leaving the EU? Gove: Yes, we can have a green brexit that ensures Britain is an environmental leader 2016 #BrexitLies #TorySewageParty https://t.co/iRPujCMTBF" / Twitter

even the princess told us..

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Damn right. Getting rid of that burdensome EU 'red tape' means more freedom. Now the government is free to allow the privatised water companies to pump millions of gallons of human keek into our seas and rivers. The sweet smell of freedom and human excrement.

https://youtu.be/Ul9_7sEpzMA

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https://twitter.com/alextaylornews/s...w-KNifqlRzgjJQ

Another clip from Maitlis speech last night. It really was impressive and I have a new found respect for her.


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https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/24/emily-maitlis-says-active-tory-party-agent-shaping-bbc-news-output

She has previously called out the Tory appointees at the BBC (not limited to this ‘Sir’ Gibb fellow, but the previous BBC DG who’s name escapes me and was a Conservative local government bigwig also) who are directly influencing editorial output in a way unthinkable just ten years ago.

But the Tories complain about it being biased against THEM, so it must be impartial… :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northe...at_campaign=64

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Shirley you have to keep driving for a generation before you can decide which?

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How long is a generation?

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According to the UK government they signed a treaty where it was identified as 7 years.

we can only Dream of Balance in Scotland Emily hen :agree:

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https://sciencebusiness.net/news-byt...ed-destination

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The UK suffered an outflow of nearly 1,300 scientists in 2020, having been a net importer of academics in 2015, the year before the Brexit vote to leave the EU, OECD data shows.

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https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/statu...rDhzi3mIQ&s=19

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Where are posters defending Brexit? Not one.

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Where are posters defending Brexit? Not one.

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Aren't those who support the Tories or Labour basically defending Brexit? :dunno:

Article touching on brexit and leveling up
https://www.ft.com/content/82179f47-...ype=enterprise

Some bleak truths for Britain

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There was a fair percentage of folk in Scotland who voted leave but they've been keeping their heads down.
I know one guy who wants Scotland to be entirely independent even of the EU or EFTA!
Takes all sorts.

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There was a fair percentage of folk in Scotland who voted leave but they've been keeping their heads down.
I know one guy who wants Scotland to be entirely independent even of the EU or EFTA!
Takes all sorts.

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There’s a solid 20% who just don’t like immigrants, either culturally or economically. That was the essence of Brexit for some voters and those people up here OR down south will continue to support it from that standpoint (whether they care if these immigrants are now coming from outside the EU or from the EU itself depends on the individual xénophobe, I suppose). There are just as many of these people in Scotland as there is in England, polling shows.

https://www.bl.uk/britishlibrary/~/media/bl/global/social-welfare/pdfs/non-secure/d/o/s/do-scotland-and-england-and-wales-have-different-views-about-immigration-18.pdf

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There’s a solid 20% who just don’t like immigrants, either culturally or economically. That was the essence of Brexit for some voters and those people up here OR down south will continue to support it from that standpoint (whether they care if these immigrants are now coming from outside the EU or from the EU itself depends on the individual xénophobe, I suppose). There are just as many of these people in Scotland as there is in England, polling shows.

https://www.bl.uk/britishlibrary/~/m...gration-18.pdf

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Good article.
My conclusion: Most of the people in Scotland who say that immigration is bad for the economy are just saying that to spite wee nippy who bangs on all the time about it being not just good, but necessary, for Scotland's economy.

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There’s a solid 20% who just don’t like immigrants, either culturally or economically. That was the essence of Brexit for some voters and those people up here OR down south will continue to support it from that standpoint (whether they care if these immigrants are now coming from outside the EU or from the EU itself depends on the individual xénophobe, I suppose). There are just as many of these people in Scotland as there is in England, polling shows.

https://www.bl.uk/britishlibrary/~/media/bl/global/social-welfare/pdfs/non-secure/d/o/s/do-scotland-and-england-and-wales-have-different-views-about-immigration-18.pdf

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I don't think it was ever in doubt that Scotland has just as many racists as England per head. The difference is the attitude of the majority towards than minority is what makes Scotland different imo.

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I don't think it was ever in doubt that Scotland has just as many racists as England per head. The difference is the attitude of the majority towards than minority is what makes Scotland different imo.

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Do you mean you think there are a higher proportion of the 80% willing to positively and actively embrace immigration and welcome immigrants compared to Englands 80%?

Very interesting thread on British immigration attitudes from the FT

https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurd...606273?lang=en

jburnmurdoch
NEW: for this week’s column I dug into the curious case of British attitudes to immigration

Before the EU ref, concern about immigration tracked levels of arrivals. Since then, immigration has kept rising but concerns have evaporated

What’s going on?

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Very interesting thread on British immigration attitudes from the FT

https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurd...606273?lang=en

jburnmurdoch
NEW: for this week’s column I dug into the curious case of British attitudes to immigration

Before the EU ref, concern about immigration tracked levels of arrivals. Since then, immigration has kept rising but concerns have evaporated

What’s going on?

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Farage is no longer on BBC flagship current affairs programmes every few days lying about it?

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Very interesting thread on British immigration attitudes from the FT

https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurd...606273?lang=en

jburnmurdoch
NEW: for this week’s column I dug into the curious case of British attitudes to immigration

Before the EU ref, concern about immigration tracked levels of arrivals. Since then, immigration has kept rising but concerns have evaporated

What’s going on?

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Gaslighting is expensive and takes time. No backers now brexit is done.

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Do you mean you think there are a higher proportion of the 80% willing to positively and actively embrace immigration and welcome immigrants compared to Englands 80%?

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That and there's more of the 80% willing to shout racism down.

Eurostar is to suspend its direct train service between London and Disneyland Paris.

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New rules for visitors to the EU are due to come into force by the end of May next year.

The system will mean travellers from outside the bloc must have their fingerprints scanned and photograph taken, instead of having their passport manually stamped.

A Brexit football story

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Brexit stops Fulham making exciting Justin Kluivert signing even after £8m transfer agreed

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https://samacharcentral.com/brexit-s...ootball-sport/

"Festival of Brexit" a total flop.

I thought it was going to be a huge display of everything that is great and cutting edge about Britain and being British, showing how brilliant we are at being the best at everything.

Turns out it's just a ferago of crap that no one is interested in. Maybe people have got one eye on 120% of their income going on making a bit toast.

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/stat...fpOq4XbUg&s=19


Did anyone on here who is "proud to be british" attend any of the events.

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"Festival of Brexit" a total flop.

I thought it was going to be a huge display of everything that is great and cutting edge about Britain and being British, showing how brilliant we are at being the best at everything.

Turns out it's just a ferago of crap that no one is interested in. Maybe people have got one eye on 120% of their income going on making a bit toast.

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/stat...fpOq4XbUg&s=19


Did anyone on here who is "proud to be british" attend any of the events.

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Was the Festival of Brexit more expensive than our ferries?


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Was the Festival of Brexit more expensive than our ferries?


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4 times the amount of the Platinium Jubilee which celebrated a lady keeping a metal hat on her head for a very long time.

Doesn't matter how much it cost. Tory Govt chucks a billion here, 37 billion there no one gives a monkeys.

Only the SNP wastes money.

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"Festival of Brexit" a total flop.

I thought it was going to be a huge display of everything that is great and cutting edge about Britain and being British, showing how brilliant we are at being the best at everything.

Turns out it's just a ferago of crap that no one is interested in. Maybe people have got one eye on 120% of their income going on making a bit toast.

https://twitter.com/adampayne26/stat...fpOq4XbUg&s=19


Did anyone on here who is "proud to be british" attend any of the events.

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Cost £120,000,000; 238,000 visitors. Over £500 each!

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Just think how many kettles they could have purchased with that.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-customer-left

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A Kent brewery chosen to help champion export opportunities for the government after Brexit has revealed that burdensome customs checks and paperwork have left it with just one remaining customer in the EU.

The Old Dairy Brewery in Kent – a Department for International Trade export champion for the south-east – appeared in a government video last year promoting the potential to boost Brexit export sales.

However its exports of bottled and keg Kent ale to countries including Italy, Germany and Sweden have slumped since the UK left the EU because of the onerous paperwork.

The brewery now has just one EU customer, a Berlin pub operator who travels to England by van to pick up the beer. The value of the Kent brewery’s annual beer exports have fallen from £600,000 to £2,000.

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A Brexit bonus identified at last.

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/s...42merrVig&s=19

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Two headlines, separated by 4 years

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In other news...

There’s a fresh EU offer on the NI border. Can ERG-backed Truss accept?

https://twitter.com/edinnews/status/...lwb12u04Q&s=19

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In other news...

There’s a fresh EU offer on the NI border. Can ERG-backed Truss accept?

https://twitter.com/edinnews/status/...lwb12u04Q&s=19

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My bet? An offer from the EU isn't going to acceptable. Mainly for the reason that it is from the EU.

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Liz Truss, "One thing I absolutely don't support is a windfall tax."

Ursula von der Leyen, "Profits must be shared and channeled to those who need it most."

Anyone else want to #RejoinEU?

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There’s a solid 20% who just don’t like immigrants, either culturally or economically. That was the essence of Brexit for some voters and those people up here OR down south will continue to support it from that standpoint (whether they care if these immigrants are now coming from outside the EU or from the EU itself depends on the individual xénophobe, I suppose). There are just as many of these people in Scotland as there is in England, polling shows.

https://www.bl.uk/britishlibrary/~/media/bl/global/social-welfare/pdfs/non-secure/d/o/s/do-scotland-and-england-and-wales-have-different-views-about-immigration-18.pdf

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I recall a broad survey of political opinion across Europe which concluded that 20% of people are basically authoritarian fascists. A similar amount must be gullible fools as well.

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Cost £120,000,000; 238,000 visitors. Over £500 each!

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Target visitor numbers was 66m people :greengrin

I didn’t realise this. Important to remember:greengrin

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-h_raYhcIkredg

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I didn’t realise this. Important to remember:greengrin

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...-h_raYhcIkredg

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Does this mean he will be doing the pro Britannia/ Brexit supporting bit by returning his hedge fund profits gleaned from the country he presumably is a patriot of?

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Does this mean he will be doing the pro Britannia/ Brexit supporting bit by returning his hedge fund profits gleaned from the country he presumably is a patriot of?

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He hates this country.

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Does this mean he will be doing the pro Britannia/ Brexit supporting bit by returning his hedge fund profits gleaned from the country he presumably is a patriot of?

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No. Because it’s not his fault. It’s Remainers fault that Brexiteers did Brexit and bet against our currency before flogging it and stealing the profits from the U.K. economy. It’s you and me and other Remainers that should be paying for it.

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No. Because it’s not his fault. It’s Remainers fault that Brexiteers did Brexit and bet against our currency before flogging it and stealing the profits from the U.K. economy. It’s you and me and other Remainers that should be paying for it.

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Well he got that bit right.

https://www.ft.com/content/e6884fa0-...0-354ac743571a

Brexit ideology lies behind the UK’s market rout
Kwarteng’s statement last week was just one manifestation of the elevation of absolutism over economics

Dover getting its excuses in early for NEXT summer 🤣

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63074703

https://mobile.twitter.com/sabahmedd...01948743880705

@sabahmeddings
A Kent brewery that the government proclaimed as an export champion after Brexit, is racing to find a buyer weeks after it revealed it had only one EU customer left.

Old Dairy Brewery is teetering on the edge of administration

What happened in 2016 to change direction of this graph?

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What happened in 2016 to change direction of this graph?

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I know Sevco failed to win the Scottish cup final but only the worst of the worst of the Scottish media could blame Hibs for causing this one.

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What happened in 2016 to change direction of this graph?

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If I’d known that winning the Scottish Cup would have caused this I wouldn’t have invaded the pitch when we won.

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If I’d known that winning the Scottish Cup would have caused this I wouldn’t have invaded the pitch when we won.

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It's all your fault.

Brilliant thread with a brexiteer panicking about an influx of Indians ha ha.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Will_Tann...76693289189376


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The Government is reportedly considering agreeing a visa free travel scheme for under-35s as part of the UK-India Trade Deal, due to be signed by Diwali on 24 Oct.

Short thread on why we shouldn't be using trade deals to dictate migration policy

Indian trade negotiators argue that Australia and NZ have youth mobility schemes under their deals. But India is MUCH bigger & younger than either.

The UN estimates there were 412 million 18-34 yr-olds in India in 2021, vs 6m in Australian and 1m in NZ. It's not comparable

The UK just took a decision to end free movement with the EU (population 446m).

Voters might not unreasonably question whether we ended free movement with Europe to create it with India. We shouldn't forget backlash when EU8 accession led to 300k net migrants between 2004-9

There are obviously important economic differences, which inevitably affect migration dynamics.

In 2020, the average income/expenditure per day was $3 dollars in India, but over $40 in the UK. The incentive to move will be understandably strong

The other issue is immigration compliance. The UK has youth mobility schemes with Aus/NZ because of a long history of compliance.

Indian migrants have relatively high rates of overstaying, and India has historically at times resisted forced returns

The Conservative Manifesto which every MP stood on in 2019 was explicit: "overall the numbers will come down."

That hasn't happened yet: last year we issued 1 million visas. Its unlikely to ever happen if the price of trade is visa free immigration

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Brilliant thread with a brexiteer panicking about an influx of Indians ha ha.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Will_Tann...76693289189376


Will Tanner
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The Government is reportedly considering agreeing a visa free travel scheme for under-35s as part of the UK-India Trade Deal, due to be signed by Diwali on 24 Oct.

Short thread on why we shouldn't be using trade deals to dictate migration policy

Indian trade negotiators argue that Australia and NZ have youth mobility schemes under their deals. But India is MUCH bigger & younger than either.

The UN estimates there were 412 million 18-34 yr-olds in India in 2021, vs 6m in Australian and 1m in NZ. It's not comparable

The UK just took a decision to end free movement with the EU (population 446m).

Voters might not unreasonably question whether we ended free movement with Europe to create it with India. We shouldn't forget backlash when EU8 accession led to 300k net migrants between 2004-9

There are obviously important economic differences, which inevitably affect migration dynamics.

In 2020, the average income/expenditure per day was $3 dollars in India, but over $40 in the UK. The incentive to move will be understandably strong

The other issue is immigration compliance. The UK has youth mobility schemes with Aus/NZ because of a long history of compliance.

Indian migrants have relatively high rates of overstaying, and India has historically at times resisted forced returns

The Conservative Manifesto which every MP stood on in 2019 was explicit: "overall the numbers will come down."

That hasn't happened yet: last year we issued 1 million visas. Its unlikely to ever happen if the price of trade is visa free immigration

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That should be enough to get Scottish racists switching to YES to get back in the EU.[emoji23]


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She should know, she is one of those who has definitely out stayed her welcome.

https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status...3r9vcz_NEwwKeA

Worst on record.


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https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status...3r9vcz_NEwwKeA

Worst on record.


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It's certainly in the right thread. Truss takes a lot of the blame, but it all circles back to brexit.

Yvette Cooper on top form.

https://twitter.com/Tucker5law/status/1580608023893975040?s=20&t=sgbaKQfxL2Y9vExaElAAAA

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UK economy has went from 94% of the German economy to 70% since 2016.


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UK economy has went from 94% of the German economy to 70% since 2016.


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Plenty room to get worse imo. Nowhere near the bottom and it will really start to hit home how mad Brexit and the election of Johnson was this winter. The NHS will be devastated and public services will be destroyed. That was the plan and that was essentially what people voted for unless they are thick as mince

Can't believe this is from The Telegraph

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Project Fear was right all along

Six years of policy confusion and ineptitude has brought a calamitous loss of standing

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Downbeat predictions by the Treasury and others on the economic consequences of leaving the EU, contemptuously dismissed at the time by Brexit campaigners as "Project Fear", have been on a long fuse, but they have turned out to be overwhelmingly correct, and if anything have underestimated both the calamitous loss of international standing and the scale of the damage that six years of policy confusion and ineptitude has imposed on the country.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...r-right-along/

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...r-right-along/

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Crowns on pint glasses though, blue passports and taken back control of our borders, so allisbarry, as they used to say.

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There is some irony in this post from your goodself though. You dismiss pretty much anything that's critical of the causes you support, exactly like the Brexiteers.

If I posted an article from an "expert" that was negative about Scottish Independence for example you would say they are talking Scotland down or they need to believe more etc. We should listen to experts.

You do see that don't you?

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There is some irony in this post from your goodself though. You dismiss pretty much anything that's critical of the causes you support, exactly like the Brexiteers.

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You seem to be arguing for argument sake. Leave me alone.

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You seem to be arguing for argument sake. Leave me alone.

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Sure, no problem.

We are all guilty of it in someway, we dismiss the things that tell us stuff we don't want to hear and embrace the stuff that backs up what we do want to hear.

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The UK's recent disastrous "mini" Budget can trace its origins back to Britain's decision to leave the European Union. The economic costs of Brexit were masked by the Covid-19 pandemic and the crisis in Ukraine. But six years after the UK voted to leave, the effect has become clear. In this film, senior FT writers and British businesspeople examine how Brexit hit the UK economy, the political conspiracy of silence, and why there has not yet been a convincing case for a 'Brexit dividend'.

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https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y

Before the Brexit referendum, does anyone recall Farage saying it was about lowering taxes, deregulation, shrinking the state, reducing employment rights etc? Me neither :hmmm:


https://youtu.be/hFAzXtvxqg0

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Before the Brexit referendum, does anyone recall Farage saying it was about lowering taxes, deregulation, shrinking the state, reducing employment rights etc? Me neither :hmmm:


https://youtu.be/hFAzXtvxqg0

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That and keeping London away from the EU's money laundering police were about the only reasons I could make any sense of the Tories wanting out of the EU.

Great thread and video from the FT on the economic effects of Brexit

https://mobile.twitter.com/Financial...36481113464832

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The economic costs of Brexit were masked by the Covid-19 pandemic and the war in Ukraine. But six years after the UK voted to leave the EU, the Brexit effect has become clear.

In this film, we examine how Brexit hit the UK economy https://on.ft.com/3eFPwq1

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Great thread and video from the FT on the economic effects of Brexit

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Are you ignoring me?

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...=1#post7133047

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Are you ignoring me?

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...=1#post7133047

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Embedded videos don't show up on mobile hibs.net.

But he could just be ignoring you. :dunno::wink:

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Are you ignoring me?

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...=1#post7133047

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Didn't know what you were talking about, then realised you can't see embedded videos on mobile style so didn't see it. Worth showing it twice though ha, incase anyone was mistaken how much a disaster it was/is

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She should know, she is one of those who has definitely out stayed her welcome.

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and Truss has said she would like her back in the cabinet after xmas :rolleyes:


1. bold statement seeing as Truss quite probably will not be in a position to ask her back
2. maybe she meant a cabinet for nawty politicians, it would need to be a rather large Cabinet

A celebration of Brexit benefits for travellers (msn.com)

i didn't realise the RMT had urged it's members to leave the EU

tw@ts