The Trans Rights Debate

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Originally Posted by James310

Rape Crisis Scotland are basically a Scottish Government organisation, I remember at the Alex Salmond trial and inquiry they were wheeled out with a statement whenever things looked bad for the SG.

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Aye right 🙄


https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/about-history/

Been on the go longer than the Scottish pretendy parliament!!!

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

That's just not cricket.

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Brought a giggle from me in this sometimes disturbing debate 😁

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Aye right ��


https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/about-history/

Been on the go longer than the Scottish pretendy parliament!!!

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Not sure what you mean? What's that got to do with who funds them?

This the same people?

https://www.scottishlegal.com/articl...ory-msp-s-name

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...-wins-25866762

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Originally Posted by James310

Not sure what you mean? What's that got to do with who funds them?

This the same people?

https://www.scottishlegal.com/articl...ory-msp-s-name

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...-wins-25866762

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They are a charity that receives donations. They are funded by anybody who donates to their cause. The same applies to Rape Crisis England & Wales.

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Originally Posted by James310

Rape Crisis Scotland are basically a Scottish Government organisation

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I wonder if you realise how desperate you sound, criticising a charity designed to assist rape victims. Low even for you.

Thank goodness we have the Charity Rape Crisis….very little Government or Official support for victims.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Thank goodness we have the Charity Rape Crisis….very little Government or Official support for victims.

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Certainly not a lot of support from the people who should protect them, such as the metropolitan police!!!!

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Originally Posted by grunt

I wonder if you realise how desperate you sound, criticising a charity designed to assist rape victims. Low even for you.

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A charity who defended a trans women staff member who said if rape victims want to be seen by a biological female, then they are bigoted and need re-education. Disgusting views

I think after seeing Alistair Jack’s legal case this afternoon we are back to trans rapist and peado scare stories.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I think after seeing Alistair Jack’s legal case this afternoon we are back to trans rapist and peado scare stories.


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Us talking about the legality of this is pretty silly. I'm sure the court's will be called and decide. The winner will be correct on the legality

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Originally Posted by Kato

As in "chicanery".

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Aye but I think cicadery works better.😁😁

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Certainly not a lot of support from the people who should protect them, such as the metropolitan police!!!!

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I know I am a bit pissed, but you know nothing!!! the majority of the Met are hard working decent people, you know nothing about rape victims and the trauma suffered by them both male and female. I have dealt with the cruelty committed to others that you could not imagine. I was SOIT trained so do me a favour STFU or piss off

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

A charity who defended a trans women staff member who said if rape victims want to be seen by a biological female, then they are bigoted and need re-education. Disgusting views

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They are different organisations.

The one you are talking about is Edinburgh RCS. They didn't sign the letter under debate.

It's Rape Crisis Scotland that the discussion is about.

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Originally Posted by grunt

I wonder if you realise how desperate you sound, criticising a charity designed to assist rape victims. Low even for you.

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You seem to have a real problem with criticism of anything that's remotely related to the Scottish Government or SNP.

I am sure they do a great job in supporting victims and I am not critical of the day to day work they do. What I disagree with is the way RCS were and are wheeled out for statements every time something negative seemed to happen in the Alex Salmond trial and inquiry and then again today another "statement" that surprise surprise supports the Scottish Government. I would hope the SNP aren't using a rape charity to further their political aims, that would be a new low, even for them.

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Originally Posted by James310

You seem to have a real problem with criticism of anything that's remotely related to the Scottish Government or SNP.

I am sure they do a great job in supporting victims and I am not critical of the day to day work they do. What I disagree with is the way RCS were and are wheeled out for statements every time something negative seemed to happen in the Alex Salmond trial and inquiry and then again today another "statement" that surprise surprise supports the Scottish Government. I would hope the SNP aren't using a rape charity to further their political aims, that would be a new low, even for them.

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Do you have the same issues with the 14 other signatories?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

They are different organisations.

The one you are talking about is Edinburgh RCS. They didn't sign the letter under debate.

It's Rape Crisis Scotland that the discussion is about.

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They are part of the same umbrella and backed Madwha and her comments at the time. They are free to have the opinion trans women are literally women, so should be in female rape crisis. But they are definitely on one side of the argument.

The comments that rape victims being bigoted and needing re-education is just vile, I know you'll agree. It shows the shades of the debate and the extreme views

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

A charity who defended a trans women staff member who said if rape victims want to be seen by a biological female, then they are bigoted and need re-education. Disgusting views

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This is what she actually said:

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Originally Posted by Mridul Wadhwa

“Sexual violence happens to bigoted people as well. It is not a discerning crime. But these spaces are also for you. But if you bring unacceptable beliefs that are discriminatory in nature, we will begin to work with you on your journey of recovery from trauma. But please also expect to be challenged on your prejudices.

If you have to re-frame your trauma, I think it is important as part of that re-framing, having a more positive relationship with it, where it becomes a story that empowers you and allows you to go and do other more beautiful things with your life, you also have to re-frame your relationship with prejudice.

Otherwise, you can’t really, in my view, recover from trauma and I think that’s a very important message that I am often discussing with my colleagues at Edinburgh Rape Crisis.


Because you know, to me, therapy is political, and it isn’t always seen as that.”

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

This is what she actually said:

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It was in reference to objecting to trans women treating females. Absolutely vile to speak of re-educating rape victims. They don't need education they need support at their lowest point.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Do you have the same issues with the 14 other signatories?

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Not so much as they aren't wheeled out as and when the Scottish Government needs a statement to support whatever it is they want. Although I am sure most are majority funded by the SG so will have some in built bias that will support the Government's view.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

It was in reference to objecting to trans women treating females. Absolutely vile to speak of re-educating rape victims. They don't need education they need support at their lowest point.

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Support often involves some form of re-education. When somebody has been though such a high level of trauma, it's not uncommon for them to lose control over multiple aspects of their life as a result. Addressing the emotional impact is only one aspect of the support that is often required.

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

Support often involves some form of re-education. When somebody has been though such a high level of trauma, it's not uncommon for them to lose control over multiple aspects of their life as a result. Addressing the emotional impact is only one aspect of the support that is often required.

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Jeez. Your equating trauma support to being re-educated that your wish to have biological female support is wrong. This is highly offensive

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...gn=uk_politics


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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

This all happened before the GRB was passed.

No impact. Like I said, rapists are going to rape.

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The GRB sees being a woman as an identity category rather than the reality of biological sex. This is why the GRB is a threat to woman only spaces. All a male at 16 would need to do is fill in the self-ID form and wait in their bedroom for 3 months as there is no need for applicants to have a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, the said male can then legally enter the ladies shower room at Meadowbank for example this could be done for voyeurism or more sadistic motives, either way it wouldn't make women feel more safe this is for sure.

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Originally Posted by James310

You seem to have a real problem with criticism of anything that's remotely related to the Scottish Government or SNP.

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No, I have a problem with what I perceive to be ignorant posts.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Jeez. Your equating trauma support to being re-educated that your wish to have biological female support is wrong. This is highly offensive

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Wishing to have biological female support isn't wrong. Automatically assuming that a transgender female would be incapable of carrying out the same job or that they would pose a danger to the victim is wrong, not to mention highly offensive.

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

Wishing to have biological female support isn't wrong. Automatically assuming that a transgender female would be incapable of carrying out the same job or that they would pose a danger to the victim is wrong, not to mention highly offensive.

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It doesn't have to be danger though. Why can't a person have same sex care?

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

Wishing to have biological female support isn't wrong. Automatically assuming that a transgender female would be incapable of carrying out the same job or that they would pose a danger to the victim is wrong, not to mention highly offensive.

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Your first sentence would have the person classed as transphobic and needing re-educated by some. The second as far I see no one has said?

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Originally Posted by 147lothian

The GRB sees being a woman as an identity category rather than the reality of biological sex. This is why the GRB is a threat to woman only spaces. All a male at 16 would need to do is fill in the self-ID form and wait in their bedroom for 3 months as there is no need for applicants to have a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, the said male can then legally enter the ladies shower room at Meadowbank for example this could be done for voyeurism or more sadistic motives, either way it wouldn't make women feel more safe this is for sure.

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Ok, I'm going to ask this again for the umpteenth time on this thread and for the last time as going around in circles and getting no answer is becoming tiresome.

Why on earth would a sexual predator wait 3 whole months in order to gain legal access to women only spaces, only to then do something illegal, when they can just enter illegally anyway?

Sexual predators do not require a GRB to enter female spaces. They just go ahead and do it anyway.

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

Wishing to have biological female support isn't wrong. Automatically assuming that a transgender female would be incapable of carrying out the same job or that they would pose a danger to the victim is wrong, not to mention highly offensive.

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Every victim is different and their wishes and wants have to be paramount in their recovery

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Your first sentence would have the person classed as transphobic and needing re-educated by some. The second as far I see no one has said?

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The word "re-educated" wasn't even used. They used the term "re-frame", which is a very common practice in trauma therapy to help victims move on from their ordeal.