The Trans Rights Debate

[147lothian]

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Why would identifying as a woman give anybody increased access to children?

Ask Katie Dolatowaski, who is male but identifies as a woman and was convicted of filming a 12 year old girl with the mobile phone over the partition wall of a female toilet cubicle of a Dunfermline Asda Store, same person grabbed a 10 year old girl by the face in a Morrisons Store in Kirkcaldy forced her into a female toilet cubicle and sexually assaulted her. This person had stayed for 71 days at a domestic violence refuge for mothers and children in Leeds, and a woman only hostel in Fife.

Katie Dolatowaski was jailed at Polmot young offenders institution for male offenders, but after assaulting a fellow inmate has since been transferred to the women only Cornton Vale Prison.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/sco...ice-criticised

[Stairway 2 7]

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Interesting response to HMG's intervention from a number of Civil Society organisations:-

https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.u...ntervention-o/

An organisation who defended their Edinburgh leader a trans women, when she said that women who have been raped and don't want to speak to trans councillors are bigoted and need re-education. They are very much on the side of trans women being literal women so should be in female rape crisis groups

[James310]

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I see, it's when others look at who funds people it's deflection.

Did you read the article?

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It's an option like everyone else has, I am not surprised it reflects the position of the SG though. Ultimately the courts will decide who is right and who is wrong.

I see no difference if a bunch of Tory funded organisations came out with the opposite view and people went well of course they would say that, they are funded by the Tories.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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Ask Katie Dolatowaski, who is male but identifies as a woman and was convicted of filming a 12 year old girl with the mobile phone over the partition wall of a female toilet cubicle of a Dunfermline Asda Store, same person grabbed a 10 year old girl by the face in a Morrisons in Kirkcaldy forced her into a female toilet cubicle and sexually assaulted her. This person had stayed for 71 days at a domestic violence refuge for mothers and children in Leeds for 71 days, and a woman only hostel in Fife.

Katie Dolatowaski was jailed at Pollmot young offenders institution for male offenders, but after assaulting a fellow inmate has since been transferred to the women only Cornton Vale Prison.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/scottish-prison

They could have committed these crimes anyway without the need to identify as a woman.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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Ultimately the courts will decide who is right and who is wrong.

They won't though, because the UK Government can just overrule them anyway.

[WeeRussell]

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Ask Katie Dolatowaski, who is male but identifies as a woman and was convicted of filming a 12 year old girl with the mobile phone over the partition wall of a female toilet cubicle of a Dunfermline Asda Store, same person grabbed a 10 year old girl by the face in a Morrisons in Kirkcaldy forced her into a female toilet cubicle and sexually assaulted her. This person had stayed for 71 days at a domestic violence refuge for mothers and children in Leeds for 71 days, and a woman only hostel in Fife.

Katie Dolatowaski was jailed at Pollmot young offenders institution for male offenders, but after assaulting a fellow inmate has since been transferred to the women only Cornton Vale Prison.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/scottish-prison

Would it be pedantic to suggest that someone could grab a victim by the face and force them into a cubicle without being a fully recognised trans person?

[Hibrandenburg]

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So why make it easier for them than it already is? We should just accept it happens so do nothing?

So why have police, teachers or priests if they're an even bigger risk than transgender women? "Because we need them" isn't an acceptable answer because that would open a can of worms regarding many other minority sections of society.

[CropleyWasGod]

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No, just an opinion. Look who funds most of those organisations.

And here's mine.

I have worked with and against many of those organisations over a period of over 20 years. I deeply disagree with their views on some things, and applaud them on others.

However, at no time would I ever doubt their integrity and their commitment to their own values, even if I disagree with them. The suggestion that they would compromise those values for cash is pretty offensive.

To paraphrase a colleague, "if they resort to ad hominem attacks, you've probably won the debate".

[Ozyhibby]

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Ask Katie Dolatowaski, who is male but identifies as a woman and was convicted of filming a 12 year old girl with the mobile phone over the partition wall of a female toilet cubicle of a Dunfermline Asda Store, same person grabbed a 10 year old girl by the face in a Morrisons Store in Kirkcaldy forced her into a female toilet cubicle and sexually assaulted her. This person had stayed for 71 days at a domestic violence refuge for mothers and children in Leeds, and a woman only hostel in Fife.

Katie Dolatowaski was jailed at Polmot young offenders institution for male offenders, but after assaulting a fellow inmate has since been transferred to the women only Cornton Vale Prison.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/sco...ice-criticised

What has that got to do with the GRA? And what has it to do with the equalities act in England?


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[He's here!]

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‘Take back control’. Unless your Scottish.
Disgusting after last week boasting about devolving power away from Westminster. Fails the first test.


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There's only one party eager to engineer the end of devolution by exploiting this issue for political ends. And it's not the Tories.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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There's only one party eager to engineer the end of devolution by exploiting this issue for political ends. And it's not the Tories.

Would that be the SNP, Labour, Lib Dem and Tory Party? Because MSPs across the board have backed the Gender Reform Bill.

[Kato]

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There's only one party eager to engineer the end of devolution by exploiting this issue for political ends. And it's not the Tories.

6 years of engineering a bill that is designed to trigger the UK Govt into revoking it.

If your assertion is true the SNP must be the best politicians ever to politic.

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[James310]

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They won't though, because the UK Government can just overrule them anyway.

Do you know this for a fact? What's the lottery numbers please?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

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Do you know this for a fact? What's the lottery numbers please?

I said they can, I can't say whether they actually will or not. But the fact remains that they have given themselves the power to do so.

[weecounty hibby]

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There's only one party eager to engineer the end of devolution by exploiting this issue for political ends. And it's not the Tories.

Yip, the Westminster Tories. SNP, Labour, Lib Dems, greens and even Tories voted for the Bill. Your point would be funny if it wasn't that you actually believed it

[James310]

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And here's mine.

I have worked with and against many of those organisations over a period of over 20 years. I deeply disagree with their views on some things, and applaud them on others.

However, at no time would I ever doubt their integrity and their commitment to their own values, even if I disagree with them. The suggestion that they would compromise those values for cash is pretty offensive.

To paraphrase a colleague, "if they resort to ad hominem attacks, you've probably won the debate".

The trans woman who runs the Edinburgh Rape Centre, the one who caused controversy with her views, guess which party she tried to become an MSP for? The SNP. I don't believe for one minute they don't let their political views impact their decisions either deliberately or via an unconscious bias. Politics in Scotland is so divisive it would be impossible to find a genuinely impartial organisation that is funded by the government. We have seen the third sector say they are scared to speak for fear of losing funding.

It's no different to the many on here who say the BBC has an inbuilt bias and that's lapped up.

All in my opinion of course.

[Ozyhibby]

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6 years of engineering a bill that is designed to trigger the UK Govt into revoking it.

If your assertion is true the SNP must be the best politicians ever to politic.

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Especially as at the time they started it, the UK govt was intending doing the same thing.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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The trans woman who runs the Edinburgh Rape Centre, the one who caused controversy with her views, guess which party she tried to become an MSP for? The SNP. I don't believe for one minute they don't let their political views impact their decisions either deliberately or via an unconscious bias. Politics in Scotland is so divisive it would be impossible to find a genuinely impartial organisation that is funded by the government. We have seen the third sector say they are scared to speak for fear of losing funding.

It's no different to the many on here who say the BBC has an inbuilt bias and that's lapped up.

All in my opinion of course.

ERCC didn't sign that letter. They are irrelevant to this part of the debate.

As for the bit in bold, you're wrong. I have worked with and for a few, and know of plenty.

(and, no, I'm not saying who they are. I value my anonymity )

[Kato]

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Especially as at the time they started it, the UK govt was intending doing the same thing.


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Yeah, but they knew the UK Govt would drop it because, as asserted by He's Here, the SNP are the greatest political chicanarists ever.

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[CropleyWasGod]

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Yeah, but they knew the UK Govt would drop it because, as asserted by He's Here, the SNP are the greatest political chicanarists ever.

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Why I love Hibs.net #324.

If that's not a word, it should be

[greenlex]

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Yeah, but they knew the UK Govt would drop it because, as asserted by He's Here, the SNP are the greatest political chicanarists ever.

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Fabulous apart from the spelling. Cicadarists?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Chicano artists?

I don't know what the SNP have in connection to Mexican art. But I'm glad there is one.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Fabulous apart from the spelling. Cicadarists?

That's just not cricket.

[greenlex]

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That's just not cricket.

😁

[Bristolhibby]

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Obviously not 🙄 but lets deflect and ignore an Act that could put predators in women’s safe spaces

It might not also.

J

[Bristolhibby]

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So what's the problem?

Why would a man who has the intent of committing sexual assault, wait 3 months to have their gender identification changed just so they can legally access a female space in order to commit an illegal act?

It's completely illogical.

I know. It’s all a bit Simpsons “will anyone think of the children”.

Criminals gonna do crime. It’s what they do.

Bill or not.

J

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/lordcfalconer/st...b6M4Oxi9T3TeFA

Labour peer has his say.


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[Bristolhibby]

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Ask Katie Dolatowaski, who is male but identifies as a woman and was convicted of filming a 12 year old girl with the mobile phone over the partition wall of a female toilet cubicle of a Dunfermline Asda Store, same person grabbed a 10 year old girl by the face in a Morrisons Store in Kirkcaldy forced her into a female toilet cubicle and sexually assaulted her. This person had stayed for 71 days at a domestic violence refuge for mothers and children in Leeds, and a woman only hostel in Fife.

Katie Dolatowaski was jailed at Polmot young offenders institution for male offenders, but after assaulting a fellow inmate has since been transferred to the women only Cornton Vale Prison.

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/sco...ice-criticised

This all happened before the GRB was passed.

No impact. Like I said, rapists are going to rape.

J

[Kato]

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Fabulous apart from the spelling. Cicadarists?

As in "chicanery".

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[Moulin Yarns]

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Interesting response to HMG's intervention from a number of Civil Society organisations:-

https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.u...ntervention-o/

Thanks CWG 👍