I really hope so.Quote:
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Is this Americas version of 2014’s “Shy No’s”?
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I really hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Is this Americas version of 2014’s “Shy No’s”?
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Difficult to say. Last two elections with Trump on the ballot have under estimated his support. Polling companies now claim they have weighted their polls to fix this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
2022 under estimated Dems but hard to compare because Trump not directly on the ballot.
Polling companies can’t really weight for an increased female vote because of Roe because it may not exist. We will just have to wait and see. I think it does but it may not.
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Pretty much tbh 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I’m no really bothered, doesn’t make any difference to me. You?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Well when America sneezes the world catches a cold. If an authoritarian, which Trump self proclaims as, was in control of the USA the obvious alignments made would be with other authoritarians. He's already said Putin should be allowed to do as he pleases which would lead to war in Europe and would drag us in. I don't want my 18 year old son involved in a war designed to allow billionaires to get richer. I also have quite a few pals in the US who are dreading him being elected.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
Does it affect you much? Does it bother you that other people will be affected? Does it make a difference to you that American women will would be denied health care and would see a return to back-street abortions. Or is it just that you would be OK so, why bother?
But, aye, it does bother me. Thanks for your concern.
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I’ve said before on this thread that I don’t know anything about US politics, and I don’t know anything about what you are saying about wars and abortions etc .. I don’t watch the news or keep up to date about what Donald Trump is up too. I’m just not bothered about it. I just wanted to know who was going to win because people on here know a lot more than me, hence why I asked.Quote:
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To be fair, if your toilet's blocked and you need to force a Donald sized Richard the Third round the U bend in one seamless thrust having the MP for Clacton on hand is a better option that one of those plastic brush efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
And you can depend on him because he ain't going to be in Clacton.
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Sorry, I got mixed up with you not being bothered and you wanting to know stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
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You’ve just given me a business idea….donald trump toilet brushesQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
I hear you, with optional detachable Nasty Nigel heads. Where do I sign up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
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Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I'm so on this, anyone got the number for Dragons Den?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
https://pinshape.com/items/57524-3d-...or-3d-printing
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/...or-3d-printing
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/art/...donald-j-trump
Too lateQuote:
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=trump+loo+brush&adgrpid=156491836690&gad_sourc e=1&hvadid=697091502883&hvdev=m&hvexpln=70&hvlocph y=9180944&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=3672559196565636864--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=3672559196565636864&hvtargid=kw d-475808099003&hydadcr=16908_2153602&tag=hydrukspg-21&ref=pd_sl_35qc8a7nw7_e_p70
[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
The Clacton Daily Bugle is doing an Edinburgh Evening News type spot the ball competition.
Every week the Clacton electorate get a map of their constituency to put an X on and who ever is lucky enough to pinpoint where their MP is wins a billion.
Safe as houses as he spends more time in the States up a big orange sphincter than he will ever do in Clacton post election.
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There was a documentary on bbc 2 last night about his attempts to overturn the votes in Georgia.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
I’d be surprised if anyone watched it and still thinks Trump is harmless.
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Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
If you’re not bothered who wins the presidential election, and you don’t know anything about US politics, and you don’t know abortion law changes there, or the wars going on the DT has been giving his opinions on… why did you bother to come on the thread and ask?
Well, they do say ‘ignorance is bliss’.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
I like to ask things 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
Not enough by sound of it.[emoji6][emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
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It will make a difference to you.Quote:
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I was going to explain why you should be bothered. But I can't be bothered.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOOJ O45
Good, because I couldn't have been bothered reading your explanation.Quote:
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:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
https://iandunt.substack.com/p/us-el...od-help-us-all
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Originally Posted by Ian Dunt
they will most likely be prepared for the infantile ignorant man-child name-calling Trump will hit them with Nobel prize winners endorse Harris and warn Trump would endanger future of science | US elections 2024 | The Guardian
More than 80 Nobel prize winners have endorsed Kamala Harris for the presidency, warning that Donald Trump would “jeopardize any advancements in our standards of living” given his earlier proposals for enormous cuts to science funding.
In an open letter, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times, 82 Nobel prize winners from the US in the fields of physics, chemistry, economics and medicine, said “this is the most consequential presidential election in a long time, perhaps ever, for the future of science and the United States”.
Losers
Dumb
etc etc etc
Like to know whether any of those 82 have aced the cognitive test that Trump did a few years back.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
No one knows more about nuclear than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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As humans we've been here before and I'm not surprised that intellectuals are concerned about what Trump, Putin and their counterparts world wide are trying to sell their electorate. History has shown is again and again where this all goes. No matter the ideology the result is the same, imperialism, holocaust, culture revolution and dictatorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
There's always a scapegoat, for the Nazis it was the Jews, for the Communists the bourgeois and nobility, Mao targeted intellectualism and the Church other religions. When Trump talks about draining the swamp, he's talking about teachers, political opponents and intellectualism. They have a right to be worried.
And not one of them even contemplated getting Americans to ingest bleach as a Covid cure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
What a visionary the orange blob is.
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I'm watching an American comedy series called Sprung and it's set during the pandemic, one character is coughing and the others make a concoction of bleach and other cleaning stuff and are about to drink it when the guy with the cough realised he was allergic to something he was wearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Honest, it was funny at the time. 😉
[emoji16] Parody, or real life in Trumpean corners of the USA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Probably difficult to tell.
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
You’ve got to be careful of so called expert opinions a few days before an election.
Remember the hundred or so security experts and former FBI people signing a letter say the Hunter Biden laptop was fake and a Russian plant a week before the 2020 election and it turned out it was 100% genuine.
What was on the laptop?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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:greengrin Show me the evidence for this! (Actually, don't bother, I'm not going to read it).Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Nothing. Hunter Biden wasn't even on the ballot. Russian infowars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He had a genuine laptop!! Not a fake laptop a genuine one..Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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The laptop contents were used by the prosecution to convict Hunter Biden of tax evasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Hunter Biden may not have been on the ballot but his dad was and there were various emails implicating him in Hunters deals with foreign entities including a breakup of their profits which listed 10% to the “ big guy “
Two of Hunters partners have sworn under oath that Joe Biden was the big guy.
Not good information to be circulating a couple of weeks before an election so they got some “ experts” in to sign a letter saying it was all a Russian fake.
I’ve a horrible feeling that, with things so tight in the run up to the election, tango man is going to sneak it. It’s a lose lose situation for democracy in America and the world in general. Republicans win and Trump will display how loud and loose a canon he is. World peace kaput. Democrats win and potentially civil war in America. Depressing times.
Leonardo di Caprio endorses Harris
……. why does this give me a sinking feeling? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Well you certainly convinced me.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
That's just the tip of the iceberg. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Some experts???Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
51 former intelligence officials signed a public statement asserting that the laptop story had “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”
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Originally Posted by Jim44
over 19 million votes have been cast already :worried:
10% to the big guy but Trumps useless son in law gets billions from friendly countries to start his own fund even though he has no experience in that field.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Trump claims foreign interference because Labour have sent a few people
To help campaign for Kamala, yet Truss, Farage and Johson support Trump.
Also have Musk effectively buying votes in swing states by offering a million dollar a day lottery.
Trump is a wee greeting faced *ank stain.
What the actual charge?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-...evasion-trial/
I would not be surprised if there’s been a back room deal done between the Bidens and Trump to pardon each other after the election depending on the results.
Call me suspicious but I don’t trust any politician, especially Yanks. :greengrin
Bidens son was tried and agreed to pay the tax. That is the opposite of Trump who disagrees and disputes his multiple charges. He disputed the election also and will againQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
What’s that to do with his laptop?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I bet it was a Chinese Laptop...
I watched the Joe Rogan podcast last night interviewing Trump for 3hrs. It was actually quite interesting but what struck me was the amount of views. It had been up for 20hrs and had over 23m views and it's now at 30m. He didn't hold back on what he thought of Harris whatsoever. Pretty funny at times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBMoPUAeLnY
The evidence of all his undeclared income and expenditure was found on his laptop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I had a guy in the taxi the other day from upstate NY, he's a big Trump fan and went on to say he works 12 hour days, teetotal and is good for US businesses, I didn't get into a deep conversation with the guy as he was already a Trump voter and I couldn't be bothered going through all the bad the things about the guy, Trump voters are deep rooted and it'll take a lot to change their minds, we need to hope the young voters come out in force against this guy or he'll be back in.
Not going to debate this with you as I suspect we are very much on the same side on this, but I think we're going to find out exactly how good for US businesses in the next 4 years if he gets in (unfortunately when imo).Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
And that will be not very good at all.
Which is important because?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Trump advert
https://x.com/Daractenus/status/1850799140772393165
Because it proves the iPad and its contents were genuine and not a Russian fake as the “ experts “ claimed and the media ran with before the 2020 election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Fake, real. What is the significance? He is a private citizen.Quote:
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Pity it wasn't an iPad though! 😁Quote:
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Panorama tonight is an hour long programme about why Trump should get a second chance. I’m depressed that things at present point towards a Trump victory. :grr:
What things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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WTF? What's happened to the BBC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Just looked at the blurb for the programme ...
Is that the BBC saying the "attempted assassination" was real and not staged? Perhaps they should do a Panorama about the "shooting".Quote:
For the past two years, Panorama has been following some of Donald Trump’s most ardent supporters. One was just feet away from the former president when a gunman tried to assassinate him during a rally in Pennsylvania.
It's the state broadcaster so it needs to represent the views of the British government. Britain's (short-term?) interest means that it has to hedge its bets, just like many US business people have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Has Panorama already done a "Why Harris should get a first chance" or is that still to come? Not a trick question, genuinely don't follow the BBC's current affairs output since it became mostly right-of-centre political propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Tubs
Neither do I, mate. It's terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Well, bookie’s favourite for a start, a lot of media exposure, both positive and damaging, but keeping his name in the forefront of the minds of ‘undecidedes’. Barring some insipid, publicised vocal support from eminent pop stars, Harris doesn’t seem to get his level of media attention and, from a distance admittedly, unfortunately I think ‘things’ point to a victory for him. I’m watching the programme now and can’t help feeling he’s got all these thick Yanks eating out of his hands. Just a strong feeling I’ve got to say, but I think my feeling is backed up by what we are hearing and seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As I’ve said before, Ozy, you incessantly tell us that Trump won’t\can’t win, but I don’t think you’ve ever backed it up with sound reasoning. I hope I’m wrong and you’re right and, if Harris wins, I’ll be the first to celebrate with you, but I honestly think we’re both in for a major disappointment.
The programme was called "Trump: A second chance?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Isn't the question mark very important in this context? I don't think it was all about why Trump should get a second chance and being justified by the BBC!
I didn’t know about the ? and take the point. However, the programme, to me, was highly pitched in Trump’s favour and, on balance or maybe imbalance, supported the Trump campaign. I found the last glimpse of Trump highly disturbing and threatening. He said “If we don’t win this election, it might be the last ever election we ever have.” Take what you want from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
That family they followed are completely mad, as are most of his followers. It's become a cult that has these people in a spell, they are deranged if they think he gives a toss about any of them?
If you look up gullible in the dictionary, it just says yanks. :rolleyes:
The polls point to a Harris win. I think on the day she will win by more than 4%. I actually think she can take Florida. So long as she gets to 270 though then I’ll be very happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Early voting is showing massive turnout among women, black and Latino voters. It’s also just up massively overall, pointing to a huge turnout. All that will help Harris.
I’m still confident she wins. Although I’ll get more nervous as next Tuesday approaches.
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Using twitter right now to try and gauge what way voters might go seems like a waste of time. Musk pretty unashamedly using it as a propaganda machine and his MAGA bots with blue ticks being propelled right to the top of the newsfeeds. Pointing to republican voter regististration as a outright win when people are getting paid to register seems unwise as well.
https://youtu.be/t6ZZU4xXtqE?si=BXuHAUm3Lx1TdFjf
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https://x.com/morning_joe/status/185...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Late endorsement from W maybe?
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This for me is the crux of the problem. Firstly you have the Joe Bloggs Republican supporters who will vote for their party, irrespective of the candidate. I don’t think any of them, even the one’s who know Trump is a liability, and a danger society, will abstain. Then you have the ‘gullibles’ like the idiots featured in the programme, who are fanatics and mesmerised by Trump’s histrionics and lies. Lastly, and possibly the most worrying, are the crazy insurgents, who would follow any clown, like Trump, who preaches and encourages their violent philosophies. Without exaggeration or knee-jerking the USA and the wider world is on a knife edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
https://x.com/kamalahq/status/185104...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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Nobody knows more than him about articulacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If hydrogen is what's currently worrying him maybe they could try bleach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The orange one knows best.
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I’m hoping after next week he loses so bad we can start properly laughing about what an idiot he is.[emoji1696]Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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He’s tagged some random The Rangers fan in on a tweet about postal votes…
https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status...JgiKF_bB4aPXvw
Make Rayngurs Great Again!
I wonder which candidate the people who did this support?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I see Biden has had a gaffe and called Trump supporters 'Garbage'. I don't think he meant it as that, he was very very muddled in the 27 second clip and couldn't get his words out. Hard to tell.
However.. It reminds me of Hilary Clinton referring to Trump supporters as 'Deplorables' which, to me, was a big turning point. Terrible timing.
Think it will be fine. Unfortunately for Joe, nobody is listening to him anymore. He’s not the candidate and has been totally sidelined by her campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by USA_Hibee
Still, if Trump wants to spend the last 6 days running against Biden then that would be good.[emoji106]
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Originally Posted by USA_Hibee
Republicans have wanted Ballot boxes removed
most ballot box votes are from Democrats
apparently three devices had "free Gaza" and "free palestine" messages on them Devices used in Oregon, Washington ballot box fires had 'Free Gaza' messages, reports say
so i'm really not sure :wink:
anyhoo, nearly 60m votes have been cast
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That's got to be a spoof.... surely!
https://x.com/connorgillies/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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https://x.com/wired/status/185208405...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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https://x.com/atrupar/status/1852016...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Musk saying they are going to crash the economy.
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Maybe that's why they've been giving Dim Lizzie so much air time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If anyone knows how to crash an economy.........
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Does early voting in the US election mean good news for either party or no advantage to Reublican or Democrats?
With only 5 days to go which pollster are possibly the best to keep a eye on for a idea of who the yanks are gonna vote for as next president
Musk is an enemy of ordinary Americans. He is a self centred egoist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
He's a nutter. He looked like a 15 year old after having his first beer when he came on stage at the Trump rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Every single day a news headline seems to read that some celebrity is endorsing Harris. Today’s BBC top headline begins with “Harris campaigns with Cardi B in Wisconsin”.
Have I lost touch with reality or is there a reason why we should give a **** who Cardi B, Leonardo Dicaprio, Taylor Swift, or the hundred other celebrities who have piped up think people should vote vote.
Any statesmanship that once existed in American politics is dead and buried. It resembles a reality tv show more than the world’s most powerlful leadership contest these days.
I wish they could both lose.
I read that a large number of early votes is meant to be good for the Dems, who are perceived as being more likely to vote early.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS44
It’s one of Trump’s bugbears - a perfectly legal and acceptable way to cast a vote but as it goes against him, Trump thinks it suggests corruption.
All these stars have millions of followers on various platforms, they are very influential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
I would say almost nobody bases their vote on a single endorsement but a lot of endorsements can create a narrative and the appearance of momentum. Also the endorsements of so many Republicans is helping create the feeling among republicans that it’s ok this time to vote for a democrat to stop Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
People want to join a group they know has other people like them. And for some people, they might just feel like Cardi B is just like them.
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I think a large turnout is thought to be good for dems as there is thought to be a ceiling for Trumps support. It’s thought he can only win when Dems are apathetic like in 2016 where Hilary didn’t really get people excited and many were stung by Sanders treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
That was the danger with going with Biden. Harris appears to have stopped that.
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Originally Posted by Paul1642
I think it’s a common thing there, for public figures to endorse candidates, it also happens in the process to select a presidential candidate as well.
The campaigns of each party also court public figures to donate, support and publicly endorse candidates. Kal Penn talks about it at length in his autobiography, where he was inspired by Barack Obama at such an event in Los Angeles, and ended up volunteering to do a lot of work for the campaign, who were both keen to leverage his relative high profile and also concerned about him being primarily known for Harold and Kumar, and the possible interpretation of supporting drug use.
It's absolutely cringeworthy but it's how the American system works. Politics in a great many countries is a basket case but despite all the rhetoric the vested interests tend not to want to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Look at who gave us Truss and Sunak, to name a few.
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It's not unique to the US, it's been happening in the UK for decades.Quote:
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