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03-06-2021, 10:54 PM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by brog

It's really quite amazing that with this poor defence, we had our best defensive season for 20 years & conceded 11 goals less than the wonderful St Johnstone!

It’s not a poor defence. We all know that.
03-06-2021, 10:56 PM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

I get the point in the graph. But I honestly think a huge part of our problem is relying on our CB's creating our chances.

They're there to be solid, defend and stop goals. Couldn't care less how good their 'forward passes per 90' or 'passes per 90' look if I'm completely honest. We have other players in the team to carry out that role.

Our defence was the 3rd best. Our issue is always midfield.
03-06-2021, 11:03 PM
northstandhibby

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Originally Posted by Smartie

You were right to make the point you did FWIW.

Our club is a great one and is very attractive to many players for a number of reasons.

It's certainly not a dig from me at Hibs or anyone at Hibs, rather than a frustration that this is a place we end up at with players.

I actually still think we've got a bit to offer both Porteous and Nisbet by way of development, but I don't think they see it that way.

I totally get the frustration mate. The ones with the big money can come in and swoop for any player at any time. Thankfully, these days we'll hold out for top dollar and not make it quite so easy as in days gone by for those with the big bucks.

:aok:
04-06-2021, 12:17 AM
lucky

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Originally Posted by Smartie

You were right to make the point you did FWIW.

Our club is a great one and is very attractive to many players for a number of reasons.

It's certainly not a dig from me at Hibs or anyone at Hibs, rather than a frustration that this is a place we end up at with players.

I actually still think we've got a bit to offer both Porteous and Nisbet by way of development, but I don't think they see it that way.

The reality is football is a short career and players are 1 bad injury away from not getting a big move. Both RP & KN will get very good money if they move south to the championship or EPL. It’s near impossible to expect these guys to knock back moves which could see them set for life. It’s been said many times but how many of us would not move to a job that pays 8-10 times more a week? Hibs are a selling club, we get good players and sell them on. Look how many we’ve taken of St. Mirren. The reality is money talks
04-06-2021, 05:57 AM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by S4uzee

Is Porteous that good on the ball? Gives it away a lot of the time

I think he is some of his decisions are questionable and probably takes too many chances at times however yes I do think he is good on the ball.
04-06-2021, 06:43 AM
flash

Will be interesting to read the match threads on here I we sell RP and replace him with a centre half who can head it 40 yards and only ever kicks it the way he is facing.
You don't know what you got till it's gone as they say.
04-06-2021, 06:53 AM
Iain G

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Originally Posted by flash

Will be interesting to read the match threads on here I we sell RP and replace him with a centre half who can head it 40 yards and only ever kicks it the way he is facing.
You don't know what you got till it's gone as they say.

I keep thinking RP is Rod Petrie 🤣
04-06-2021, 06:54 AM
flash

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Originally Posted by Iain G

I keep thinking RP is Rod Petrie 🤣

Everyone knows you could never get anything past Petrie.
04-06-2021, 06:54 AM
CJHibby

I wish nothing but the best for young Ryan if he moves on but I personally think we should be looking at a complete overhaul of our central defence for next season. Hanlon and McGregor as back up would be ideal. If a club down south are interested in Doig, a deal whereby we are loaned him for another season from a potential suitor would be fine.
04-06-2021, 07:13 AM
Ray_

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Originally Posted by flash

Will be interesting to read the match threads on here I we sell RP and replace him with a centre half who can head it 40 yards and only ever kicks it the way he is facing.
You don't know what you got till it's gone as they say.

Agreed 100%, RP would be a big loss and will be a top EPL star some day, there is not Scottish central defender I'd rather have than him.
04-06-2021, 07:19 AM
CJHibby

I very much doubt Ryan becoming a top English Premiership player but would love to be proved wrong Ray.
04-06-2021, 07:22 AM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by Ray_

Agreed 100%, RP would be a big loss and will be a top EPL star some day, there is not Scottish central defender I'd rather have than him.

He definitely had/has potential to be a really good player.

But he’s not a baby anymore. He’s a fair bit away from playing in the Premier League down south. Wasn’t even our best centre half this season.
04-06-2021, 07:33 AM
Ray_

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

He definitely had/has potential to be a really good player.

But he’s not a baby anymore. He’s a fair bit away from playing in the Premier League down south. Wasn’t even our best centre half this season.

He has not had years and years playing in the first team and has rough edges, which are being worked on. To me his distribution sets him apart, he is not just a long cross field pass to the opposite wing, whether it was on or not, he reminds me so much of Stones as a young player at Everton.
04-06-2021, 07:58 AM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by CJHibby

I wish nothing but the best for young Ryan if he moves on but I personally think we should be looking at a complete overhaul of our central defence for next season. Hanlon and McGregor as back up would be ideal. If a club down south are interested in Doig, a deal whereby we are loaned him for another season from a potential suitor would be fine.

Why do we need an overhaul? We let in less goals that anyone outside the old firm? We had a +13 GD. Again the only team to have a positive GD outside the old firm. So why would we need an overhaul of our central defence.
04-06-2021, 08:02 AM
wookie70

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Originally Posted by Ray_

He has not had years and years playing in the first team and has rough edges, which are being worked on. To me his distribution sets him apart, he is not just a long cross field pass to the opposite wing, whether it was on or not, he reminds me so much of Stones as a young player at Everton.

I agree with that. Young players are most often bought on potential and RP has bags of that. He is very strong and physical for a young centre half, really confident and can also play football on the deck and see a pass. He is very young for a centre half and I think there will be clubs who are willing to take time to knock the rough edges off and if Ryan improves his decision making, which will happen with game time and experience, he will be a very good player. Not sure he will be EPL but he will end up in England at a good level
04-06-2021, 08:22 AM
Cod Boy

Campbell away down south today
04-06-2021, 08:28 AM
Souter96Mac

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Originally Posted by Cod Boy

Campbell away down south today

Not so bad news if he goes down south. Would much rather that than him signing for a rival at least.
04-06-2021, 08:41 AM
Highwayman

Some of the negative posts on this thread and others about Ryan Porteous are ridiculous.

IMO after the goalkeeper centre back is the most vulnerable position and mistakes can be costly,but overall I think Porteous has had a good season.

He is the best young centre half in Scotland and don’t be fooled by Gerrard at the current buns bad mouthing him,he would take him without doubt.

I think sooner rather than later Porteous will move on and it’s regrettable that we won’t see the best of him at ER.

If he makes the progress I hope he makes I can see him as a future Scotland captain.
04-06-2021, 09:03 AM
Mutu

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Originally Posted by Unseen work

I’ve made this point on numerous occasions too and I’m glad someone else see’s it.

Whilst I do think Kerr and McCart are very good defenders and would improve us I think a lot has to be said for how they play. Start of the season they struggled massively.

Porteous has had a very good season overall despite making some howlers. But he is brave on the ball and you can see a lot of what we do comes from him taking a risk or playing a slide pass into midfield.

We also defend with McGinn and Hanlon being adventurous and when we’re in possession we’re very stretched to keep the game wide.

If you put Hanlon and Porteous in St Johnstone’s team and they were told to only defend and get the ball away at all costs they would look solid (even more solid than they have been).

St Johnstone essentially play with a back 5 and 2 sitting midfielders.

Also it’s worth noting all of our back three - McGinn, Porteous and Hanlon got called up to the national team this season. Not one of the st Johnstone defenders did

My main thing with Porteous is something I’d never thought I would associate to him and that is he appears more interested in looking good and being a ball player than actually defending. Kerr for me knows exactly what he is, he defends solidly, consistently and on the ball he is still good whilst knowing what’s too risky and what’s not.

This is an excellent observation which I think is missed a lot of the time. Yes Kerr has had a good season, but how good is he defending 1v1 / 2v2 with loads of space in behind? He'd better be because that is what will be asked of him if he gets a Hibs move. See Duffy for Celtic this as a perfect example. Ventured up north after a good season in England and was by all accounts a liability. Reason? He was often being asked to defend without adequate protection due to Celtic being an attacking side who commit bodies forward.

Porteous would be a massive loss if he were to go. Irreplaceable.
04-06-2021, 09:11 AM
Scottie

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Originally Posted by Cod Boy

Campbell away down south today

Skegness or Butlin's maybe ?

Its holiday time after all :wink:
04-06-2021, 09:13 AM
Cod Boy

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Originally Posted by Half Pint

Skegness or Butlin's maybe ?

Its holiday time after all :wink:

Luton
04-06-2021, 09:20 AM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by CJHibby

I very much doubt Ryan becoming a top English Premiership player but would love to be proved wrong Ray.

Not a chance will Porteous ever be a top English premiership player. If you’d suggested that when he broke through I maybe would have agreed.
Not now though.
04-06-2021, 09:36 AM
Ray_

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Not a chance will Porteous ever be a top English premiership player. If you’d suggested that when he broke through I maybe would have agreed.
Not now though.

Okay, however as my thoughts wasn't based on the need of your approval, I'll file your conclusive view accordingly.
04-06-2021, 09:39 AM
tonyrougier123

Ilkay durmus left st mirren.done not too bad there.looks like heading to turkey.
04-06-2021, 09:42 AM
Stuart93

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Originally Posted by Ray_

Okay, however as my thoughts wasn't based on the need of your approval, I'll file your conclusive view accordingly.

He wasn’t responding to your post to be fair.

I agree though. Can’t see him playing at the top level down south. Maybe higher championship though.

Has to cut out the mistakes in his game as when he does make them they’re usually pretty costly.
04-06-2021, 09:46 AM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by Mutu

This is an excellent observation which I think is missed a lot of the time. Yes Kerr has had a good season, but how good is he defending 1v1 / 2v2 with loads of space in behind? He'd better be because that is what will be asked of him if he gets a Hibs move. See Duffy for Celtic this as a perfect example. Ventured up north after a good season in England and was by all accounts a liability. Reason? He was often being asked to defend without adequate protection due to Celtic being an attacking side who commit bodies forward.

Porteous would be a massive loss if he were to go. Irreplaceable.

On a separate note, I thought Jack Hendry looked really good for Scotland the other night and has done brilliantly to get his career back on track so quickly.

He's another one who looked hopeless at Celtic.

What do they do to centre-backs?
04-06-2021, 09:53 AM
Ray_

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Originally Posted by Stuart93

He wasn’t responding to your post to be fair.

I agree though. Can’t see him playing at the top level down south. Maybe higher championship though.

Has to cut out the mistakes in his game as when he does make them they’re usually pretty costly.

Without a doubt Stuart and the one against St Johnstone was dreadful, but he is getting better and I think he will continue to do so and when we think of some of the lumps who have been considered as top prospects I believe Porteous has much more within his game and he is improving and will continue to do so.

England, like everywhere else is struggling for top class centre backs and it has been that way for the last few seasons and that will help young players with potential stake their claim and gain the experience needed to succeed at that level rather than teams being able to bring in the ready made article.
04-06-2021, 09:57 AM
CJHibby

Not trying to make killer comments but Mr. Brightside, I'd prefer Hibs to have a new central defence next season..only my opinion.
04-06-2021, 09:58 AM
Vault Boy

Looks like Tony Stokes might be signing for Dumbarton
04-06-2021, 10:05 AM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by Ray_

Without a doubt Stuart and the one against St Johnstone was dreadful, but he is getting better and I think he will continue to do so and when we think of some of the lumps who have been considered as top prospects I believe Porteous has much more within his game and he is improving and will continue to do so.

England, like everywhere else is struggling for top class centre backs and it has been that way for the last few seasons and that will help young players with potential stake their claim and gain the experience needed to succeed at that level rather than teams being able to bring in the ready made article.

I don't think he is getting better though, I think he's been getting worse.

It might be his first run of poorer form and he'd end up being a stronger player for being able to work his way through it (which I think Jack Hendry will be FWIW) but I think there's a mental issue right now.

I should add that when he first broke into the side I thought he was a major talent and he performed to a very high standard immediately, so he's dropping off from a very high level, and to a level that is still just about decent enough.

The problem with Porteous is that I think he's believed his own hype and I think that to kick on he'll need to move on somewhere else.

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