Summer 2021-22 transfer thread

[brog]

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My above quote saying he is miles and miles better i have said it's quite harsh but still maintain JK is a better dender than RP


That's my opinion by the way

I'm glad you qualified that, having previously said that Kerr being a better defender than Ryan wasn't even up for debate. I'm afraid it is.

[HibbyAndy]

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I'm glad you qualified that, having previously said that Kerr being a better defender than Ryan wasn't even up for debate. I'm afraid it is.

Debate on

[Wheat Hound]

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My above quote saying he is miles and miles better i have said it's quite harsh but still maintain JK is a better dender than RP


That's my opinion by the way

Aye fair enough.

Fine to say you think JK is a better player at the moment but just thought saying he is miles better is not true.

[HibbyAndy]

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Aye fair enough.

Fine to say you think JK is a better player at the moment but just thought saying he is miles better is not true.

You are right he is not miles better , But he is better

[Unseen work]

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I’m sure Porteous would do a fine job if asked to spend the majority of the time defending his own 18 yard box with the help of two other central defenders and two defensive midfielders in front of him.

I’ve made this point on numerous occasions too and I’m glad someone else see’s it.

Whilst I do think Kerr and McCart are very good defenders and would improve us I think a lot has to be said for how they play. Start of the season they struggled massively.

Porteous has had a very good season overall despite making some howlers. But he is brave on the ball and you can see a lot of what we do comes from him taking a risk or playing a slide pass into midfield.

We also defend with McGinn and Hanlon being adventurous and when we’re in possession we’re very stretched to keep the game wide.

If you put Hanlon and Porteous in St Johnstone’s team and they were told to only defend and get the ball away at all costs they would look solid (even more solid than they have been).

St Johnstone essentially play with a back 5 and 2 sitting midfielders.

Also it’s worth noting all of our back three - McGinn, Porteous and Hanlon got called up to the national team this season. Not one of the st Johnstone defenders did

My main thing with Porteous is something I’d never thought I would associate to him and that is he appears more interested in looking good and being a ball player than actually defending. Kerr for me knows exactly what he is, he defends solidly, consistently and on the ball he is still good whilst knowing what’s too risky and what’s not.

[S4uzee]

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Better defender at present but nowhere near as good on the ball which will be the reason Ryan will play at a higher level.

Is Porteous that good on the ball? Gives it away a lot of the time

[Highwayman]

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I’m sure Porteous would do a fine job if asked to spend the majority of the time defending his own 18 yard box with the help of two other central defenders and two defensive midfielders in front of him.

This has been my question about Jason Kerr as well.

He plays his part and plays it well for St Johnstone in what is a very rigid system.

What happens when you transfer him to a far more flexible system where he’s required to make his own decisions.Are we ready to find what happens if we take a chance on him?

[Brightside]

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Reference previous posts as to rumoured interest in the massively injury prone Mikey Devlin.

Surely Hibs can’t afford another season where they have half a team they can’t rely on because of injury,recovering from long term serious injury or illness.

Namely Messrs Cadden,Mackie,Magennis,Allan,Wright and Murphy.

If Hibs want Jason Kerr they’ll have to sell Porteous for decent gelt and persuade St Johnstone to part with him for probably most or all of Porto fee.

As for Alex Campbell.Seems like the boy has his eye (like Nesbit) on big bucks down south.

Hibs don’t have to sell anyone. But selling for big money can only take us to the next level.

[blackpoolhibs]

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You are right he is not miles better , But he is better

How much better though, could you measure it in distance?

[Brightside]

JK is better than RP right now. RP may become a better player but he sees his future down south. JK would be a great signing. 2 CBs, a CM, a striker in time for the arsenal game.

[HibbyAndy]

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How much better though, could you measure it in distance?

Just better

[Brightside]

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Can't find anything from the season ended but the previous season his passing was amongst the best. Has he regressed? Would be good to see a comparison

Someone will claim that because Hanlon and Porto just pass it to each other. There are also some graphs that show passes that turn into chances. Both do well in that. JK is not a ball playing CH like Hanlon. But he is a strong and intelligent CH.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Just better

[ahibby]

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Jason Kerr is a billion times better than Porteous. That’s why St Johnston had no offers for him in January.

Raise you a trillion and a bag of crisps.

[brog]

It's really quite amazing that with this poor defence, we had our best defensive season for 20 years & conceded 11 goals less than the wonderful St Johnstone!

[Smartie]

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I’ve made this point on numerous occasions too and I’m glad someone else see’s it.

Whilst I do think Kerr and McCart are very good defenders and would improve us I think a lot has to be said for how they play. Start of the season they struggled massively.

Porteous has had a very good season overall despite making some howlers. But he is brave on the ball and you can see a lot of what we do comes from him taking a risk or playing a slide pass into midfield.

We also defend with McGinn and Hanlon being adventurous and when we’re in possession we’re very stretched to keep the game wide.

If you put Hanlon and Porteous in St Johnstone’s team and they were told to only defend and get the ball away at all costs they would look solid (even more solid than they have been).

St Johnstone essentially play with a back 5 and 2 sitting midfielders.

Also it’s worth noting all of our back three - McGinn, Porteous and Hanlon got called up to the national team this season. Not one of the st Johnstone defenders did

My main thing with Porteous is something I’d never thought I would associate to him and that is he appears more interested in looking good and being a ball player than actually defending. Kerr for me knows exactly what he is, he defends solidly, consistently and on the ball he is still good whilst knowing what’s too risky and what’s not.

I accept that Porteous is good on the ball, it's definitely a major strength of his and in the modern game that is more important than ever.

Defenders are first and foremost there to defend though and I just find him to be deficient at it too often. He's a big laddie, he's strong and he's aggressive so he has all the physical tools to do it but I think there's just a bit missing between the ears. He makes stupid mistakes, loses his cool and his decision making when not in possession can be incredibly suspect. I agree with what you say about Kerr but knowing your own limitations is part of the job of being a defender - knowing what you're able to do and not.

Darren McGregor has been a wonderful player for Hibs but I accept he's in many ways a limited player. Doesn't stop him being a 1st class defender and one of the best CH's we've signed during my time watching Hibs.

I don't want to make this thread to go the same way as the Nisbet one went last night but I think Porteous thinks he now deserves to earn what players down South earn and his head was turned in January (well, long before - I think a lot of this stemmed from that link up with Andy Murray's lot). Under other circumstances I might suspect that he's just gone through a rough patch of form that he needs to work his way through to become a better player but I reckon he needs to be somewhere where he feels a bit more rewarded for his talents in order to knuckle down and improve. That's just not going to happen with us.

[ancient hibee]

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It's really quite amazing that with this poor defence, we had our best defensive season for 20 years & conceded 11 goals less than the wonderful St Johnstone!

It must be late if you think a sensible post will butter any parsnips on here.All these players we should be signing . Should’t be a problem as nobody else seems to want them whereas they do want ours who are evidently inferior in every way.As for posts about easily replacing the best young striker in the league-they’re beyond laughable.

[northstandhibby]

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It must be late if you think a sensible post will butter any parsnips on here.All these players we should be signing . Should’t be a problem as nobody else seems to want them whereas they do want ours who are evidently inferior in every way.As for posts about easily replacing the best young striker in the league-they’re beyond laughable.

I don't recall seeing any poster saying that. The reality is that Kevin will probably be away this summer if Hibs valuation is agreed upon. Of course it won't be easy to replace him as he has all the attributes a striker needs - pace, guile, links play, scores a lot of goals. That's why Hibs will seek the optimum compensation for letting him go and we go again, scouting for the next Kevin Nisbet that will develop into a multi million pound player. Never easy but hopefully we'll bank a fair chunk of dough that will help the search process.

[CMurdoch]

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Meant Alan Campbell.Don’t know where I got Alex from.

You mean Allan Campbell

I say Nisbet they say Nesbet
Nisbet Nesbet, Nisbet, Nesbet
Let's call the whole thing off

[SMAXXA]

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I don't recall seeing any poster saying that. The reality is that Kevin will probably be away this summer if Hibs valuation is agreed upon. Of course it won't be easy to replace him as he has all the attributes a striker needs - pace, guile, links play, scores a lot of goals. That's why Hibs will seek the optimum compensation for letting him go and we go again, scouting for the next Kevin Nisbet that will develop into a multi million pound player. Never easy but hopefully we'll bank a fair chunk of dough that will help the search process.

You haven’t been reading enough then as I’ve also seen them over a few threads. I’m trying my best just to ignore the stupid comments such as hope I never see KN play for Hibs again, RP is ***** and JK is miles better, Irvine isn’t that good no fussed for signing him and that all or some of the above are just Mercenaries. Those are just the ones that spring to mind, owe the comments on Macey seem to have subsided since the final which is a positive 🤦*♂️

[jacomo]

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I don't recall seeing any poster saying that. The reality is that Kevin will probably be away this summer if Hibs valuation is agreed upon. Of course it won't be easy to replace him as he has all the attributes a striker needs - pace, guile, links play, scores a lot of goals. That's why Hibs will seek the optimum compensation for letting him go and we go again, scouting for the next Kevin Nisbet that will develop into a multi million pound player. Never easy but hopefully we'll bank a fair chunk of dough that will help the search process.

There has been loads of chat about moving Kevin on if we get offered £x for him. But too little concern about how we replace him imo.

Good players can be hard to find and Nisbet is a good player. I hope he stays another season.

[JohnM1875]

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Someone will claim that because Hanlon and Porto just pass it to each other. There are also some graphs that show passes that turn into chances. Both do well in that. JK is not a ball playing CH like Hanlon. But he is a strong and intelligent CH.

I get the point in the graph. But I honestly think a huge part of our problem is relying on our CB's creating our chances.

They're there to be solid, defend and stop goals. Couldn't care less how good their 'forward passes per 90' or 'passes per 90' look if I'm completely honest. We have other players in the team to carry out that role.

[northstandhibby]

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You haven’t been reading enough then as I’ve also seen them over a few threads. I’m trying my best just to ignore the stupid comments such as hope I never see KN play for Hibs again, RP is ***** and JK is miles better, Irvine isn’t that good no fussed for signing him and that all or some of the above are just Mercenaries. Those are just the ones that spring to mind, owe the comments on Macey seem to have subsided since the final which is a positive ��*♂️

I'm pretty certain the ones that said they never want to see Kevin back is because of the alleged transfer request which always attracts negative posts understandably so. Its a defensive biased mindset and again understandably so. We all want to see our best players stay at the club for as long as possible.

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There has been loads of chat about moving Kevin on if we get offered £x for him. But too little concern about how we replace him imo.

Good players can be hard to find and Nisbet is a good player. I hope he stays another season.

I'm certain we'd all much prefer Kevin is at ER next season but money talks and if he's keen to move on then it's better we seek the maximum compensation and he moves on to his next club. We could be looking at around 3 to 5 million which is not a bad bit of business that will go some way to easing the process.

[Hibee Mac]

We should know better by now than to sign a St Johnstone player and expect him to be anything other than a flop.

Their players play well in part of a stuffy determined type of team with a single purpose which is to kill games and nick a goal. They're the new Aberdeen in that sense.

[SMAXXA]

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We should know better by now than to sign a St Johnstone player and expect him to be anything other than a flop.

Their players play well in part of a stuffy determined type of team with a single purpose which is to kill games and nick a goal. They're the new Aberdeen in that sense.

100% are and I’ve made the same comparison a few times recently

[Smartie]

We all want our best players to remain at the club but those players are only our best players if their attitude is right and their head is in the right place.

There comes a time when it is appropriate for players to move on and I just think the time is right for a few to move on.

Players like John McGinn and Steven Fletcher moved on at the right time - had they stayed I'm not convinced they'd have continued to progress, in all likelihood they'd have stagnated, stood still or maybe gone backwards and the good relationships these players had with the support might have worsened.

Would I like to see Ryan Porteous iron out the daftness and build on his strengths in a Hibs shirt? Yes, I would. Would I like to see Kevin Nisbet get a bit more support around him, kick on and build on his very good first season with Hibs? Of course I would. I just don't think there's any likelihood of these things happening.

I don't think that in the eyes of most footballers Hibs are that attractive an option, in a short career they can earn much more elsewhere and will be relatively impatient in pursuing that.

Doig has the most potential but probably has most to gain by staying and I'd hold out hope of him doing so. Boyle's getting on a bit and will be the most likely to fancy one last payday if it's on offer but I think he'd still do a shift for us again if no move materialised. Porto and Nisbet I reckon will be off in a shot, and if they're not then I'd be concerned about where their heads might be at when it comes to playing for us next year.

It's always challenge replacing good players but we just have to do our best.

[northstandhibby]

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We all want our best players to remain at the club but those players are only our best players if their attitude is right and their head is in the right place.

There comes a time when it is appropriate for players to move on and I just think the time is right for a few to move on.

Players like John McGinn and Steven Fletcher moved on at the right time - had they stayed I'm not convinced they'd have continued to progress, in all likelihood they'd have stagnated, stood still or maybe gone backwards and the good relationships these players had with the support might have worsened.

Would I like to see Ryan Porteous iron out the daftness and build on his strengths in a Hibs shirt? Yes, I would. Would I like to see Kevin Nisbet get a bit more support around him, kick on and build on his very good first season with Hibs? Of course I would. I just don't think there's any likelihood of these things happening.

I don't think that in the eyes of most footballers Hibs are that attractive an option, in a short career they can earn much more elsewhere and will be relatively impatient in pursuing that.

Doig has the most potential but probably has most to gain by staying and I'd hold out hope of him doing so. Boyle's getting on a bit and will be the most likely to fancy one last payday if it's on offer but I think he'd still do a shift for us again if no move materialised. Porto and Nisbet I reckon will be off in a shot, and if they're not then I'd be concerned about where their heads might be at when it comes to playing for us next year.

It's always challenge replacing good players but we just have to do our best.

I think you're talking our of your erchie stating that Hibs are not an attractive option in the eyes of most footballers. Every club is a stepping stone for the most talented players. Of course we're not the footballing pinnacle of success but we're a good wholesome club that seeks to look after our players and reward them as much as we can. One of the poorest posts I've ever read on here.

[Smartie]

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I think you're talking our of your erchie stating that Hibs are not an attractive option in the eyes of most footballers. Every club is a stepping stone for the most talented players. Of course we're not the footballing pinnacle of success but we're a good wholesome club that seeks to look after our players and reward them as much as we can. One of the poorest posts I've ever read on here.

It's maybe a bit harsh but I think players' heads get turned when they reach a certain level, often when they get into international squads.

When players of ours start mixing with players who are their equal ability-wise but who may be earning significantly more, our good wholesome club suddenly doesn't appear to be all that attractive any more.

Sure, our club will have been appealing to Nisbet last summer or to Porteous when he was trying to make his breakthrough.

I guess my point is that when players start to think they're bigger than their club then that's not a good thing - and it doesn't matter who the players or the club are.

A few players, good players, have reached that stage in the past and I think a few have reached that stage with us now.

And when that stage is reached, it's time to cash in.

[northstandhibby]

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It's maybe a bit harsh but I think players' heads get turned when they reach a certain level, often when they get into international squads.

When players of ours start mixing with players who are their equal ability-wise but who may be earning significantly more, our good wholesome club suddenly doesn't appear to be all that attractive any more.

Sure, our club will have been appealing to Nisbet last summer or to Porteous when he was trying to make his breakthrough.

I guess my point is that when players start to think they're bigger than their club then that's not a good thing - and it doesn't matter who the players or the club are.

A few players, good players, have reached that stage in the past and I thin a few have reached that stage with us now.

And when that stage is reached, it's time to cash in.

I totally agree with most of what you say. When the offers come in and the player wants to go then its time to start talking numbers. I think we can look forward to a big wedge for Kevin Nisbet as he's bound to have serious suitors. We're a good wholesome club mate and I get the disappointment that we have to sell on our best players when big money offers arrive, but that is the situation with virtually every club bar the top moneyed few.

[Smartie]

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I totally agree with most of what you say. When the offers come in and the player wants to go then its time to start talking numbers. I think we can look forward to a big wedge for Kevin Nisbet as he's bound to have serious suitors. We're a good wholesome club mate and I get the disappointment that we have to sell on our best players when big money offers arrive, but that is the situation with virtually every club bar the top moneyed few.

You were right to make the point you did FWIW.

Our club is a great one and is very attractive to many players for a number of reasons.

It's certainly not a dig from me at Hibs or anyone at Hibs, rather than a frustration that this is a place we end up at with players.

I actually still think we've got a bit to offer both Porteous and Nisbet by way of development, but I don't think they see it that way.