Coronavirus

Yesterday 379 UK deaths

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Originally Posted by grunt

Largest one day number of deaths in almost a year (Feb 2021).

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

129,587 cases and 398 deaths registered in the UK today.

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But yeah, it's mild.

https://twitter.com/ons/status/1481265426080350209?s=21

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Stable from the previous week


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Weekly NRS update;

In the 7 days up to 9th January 72 deaths were registered where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate - increase of 27 from the previous 7 days.

12 of the deaths were people under 65, 12 were 65-74 and 48 were 75+.

The total number of deaths registered from all causes in the week up to 9th January was 13% below average. The number of deaths registered in week 1 can fluctuate due to the number of public holidays which fall within that week.

The number of deaths at home or in non-institutional settings were 8% above average, hospitals 21% below average and care homes 20% below average.

62 fewer deaths from circulatory causes, 50 fewer deaths from respiratory causes, 39 fewer deaths from cancer and 23 fewer deaths from dementia/Alzheimer's compared with the average for the time of year.

5 excess deaths from other causes.

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Originally Posted by grunt

Yesterday 379 UK deaths



But yeah, it's mild.

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SDG did a check on deaths in each UK nation the other week. Unfortunately deaths are the last indicator to come through. We in Scotland were doing well in the last check. I'd be interested to see how we all measure up in a week or so, to see how the protections in each country measured up during the festive period.

Public health protections are about trying to save lives after all.

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Originally Posted by Sylar

Hopefully not Michael Levitt?

I can 100% confirm that the man is a total wackjob. I attended a seminar he was at the last time I was over on campus at Stanford and he's as mad as a box of frogs.

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It was Jayanta Bhattacharya on Lex Fridmans podcast. Worth a listen to hear about how himself and other scientists were censored regarding the effectiveness of lockdowns in America.

Nightclub owners have criticised the slow rollout of financial support for their businesses, which have been closed again under Covid restrictions.

Clubs have been closed since 27 December with Nicola Sturgeon announcing the shutdown will remain in place until at least 24 January.

But trade groups said Scottish government funding promised before Christmas has not yet materialised.

Deputy First Minister John Swinney said the grants will be paid "very soon".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59964548

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

I hope he gets put in jail to be honest



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According to the Guardian he could be (though I highly doubt it):

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...covid-positive

I note also that the French journalist who interviewed Djokovic for L'Equipe after he'd tested positive has confirmed that he was not informed that the player had Covid and also instructed not to ask about vaccinations because it was 'very sensitive for Novak'.

Now they tell us 😆

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/01/11/study-finds-cannabis-compounds-prevent-infection-by-covid-19-virus/?sh=c05644017537

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Originally Posted by SideBurns

Cheers - hard to argue with much of what you say. However, do you not think we're getting relatively close to moving from pandemic to endemic, the situation where you wouldn't support penalising the unvaccinated? And, I just find it hard to see that the introduction of fines would allow the rest of us to return to normality quickly. I'm against the idea on a point of principle, but also just don't get the purpose behind such a proposal (other than simply punishing the unvaxxed for their decision; I really can't imagine sufficient numbers suddenly deciding to take the vaccine to make a difference).

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I think we are getting close to the end stage of the pandemic, at least in this country, but we're not there yet. Hospital numbers in Scotland are at their highest level in nearly a year and are currently increasing by about 4% every day and we're hearing constantly about health boards cancelling procedures and the knock on effect that's happening on the NHS in general.

All of that would be much less severe if we didn't have around 8% of the eligible population completely unvaccinated.

You're possibly correct about the kind of impact such measures would have but I just think we need to try something. It's unacceptable to me that we'll possibly have the threat of restrictions hanging over us when so many people over the age of 18 in Scotland have been boostered and it feels like we're being held back by a few hundred thousand people who aren't willing to listen to science.

I think for the time being we should be introducing measures to really get tough with the unvaccinated otherwise this is just going to keep getting prolonged.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

I think we are getting close to the end stage of the pandemic, at least in this country, but we're not there yet. Hospital numbers in Scotland are at their highest level in nearly a year and are currently increasing by about 4% every day and we're hearing constantly about health boards cancelling procedures and the knock on effect that's happening on the NHS in general.

All of that would be much less severe if we didn't have around 8% of the eligible population completely unvaccinated.

You're possibly correct about the kind of impact such measures would have but I just think we need to try something. It's unacceptable to me that we'll possibly have the threat of restrictions hanging over us when so many people over the age of 18 in Scotland have been boostered and it feels like we're being held back by a few hundred thousand people who aren't willing to listen to science.

I think for the time being we should be introducing measures to really get tough with the unvaccinated otherwise this is just going to keep getting prolonged.

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Fair enough - I certainly wouldn't attempt to argue with your grasp of statistics, given you're the one who has been dutifully keeping us informed for the duration of this bloody thing!

I'm hoping the rise in hospital cases is the inevitable lag between infections & hospitalisation, and they will start to reduce soon as we get over the peak of this. Then, hopefully shortly thereafter, we can all begin the journey to putting the pandemic behind us - regardless of how many jabs in the arm we've had.

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 1,027
Edinburgh - 792
Fife - 580
North Lanarkshire - 515
South Lanarkshire - 502
Aberdeen - 316
Aberdeenshire - 276
Renfrewshire - 267
Highland - 254
Falkirk - 244
Dundee - 222
West Lothian - 220
Dumfries and Galloway - 210
Perth and Kinross - 190
North Ayrshire - 183
East Ayrshire - 160
Angus - 160
East Lothian - 151
Stirling - 144
East Dunbartonshire - 144
Midlothian - 140
West Dunbartonshire - 132
South Ayrshire - 129
East Renfrewshire - 123
Scottish Borders - 111
Moray - 97
Inverclyde - 94
Argyll and Bute - 94
Clackmannanshire - 75
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 19
Orkney - 16
Shetland - 6

Djokovic to have visa withdrawn by Australian immigration minister according to media reports.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

Djokovic to have visa withdrawn by Australian immigration minister according to media reports.

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That's good to hear.

Here's one of the reports.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tenn...lia-Alex-Hawke

Just watched the press conference with his parents and brother from a couple of days ago. You've got to laugh at the trophies they brought along to it, not to mention the bust of his head.

Maybe Lewy's missing a trick and should wear both his cup winner's medal to any pre-match pressers he does.

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Originally Posted by Coco Bryce

And who would tell us if it wasn't Big Pharma? I doubt it very much.

I know a doctor at Sick Kids. He still says he wouldn't let his daughter get the vaccine as they have no idea how this will affect the reproductive system in the future.

It's still a trial vaccine until 2023 for a reason.

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He's an idiot, you're should send him the article and please read it too

Mike Bird

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Big study of ~70k Covid cases showing Omicron's far lower severity of outcomes vs Delta Symptomatic hospitalisation -53% Median hospital stay length -70% ICU admission -74% Mortality -91% Major effects among both vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...045v1.full.pdf

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Originally Posted by 007

That's good to hear.

Here's one of the reports.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tenn...lia-Alex-Hawke

Just watched the press conference with his parents and brother from a couple of days ago. You've got to laugh at the trophies they brought along to it, not to mention the bust of his head.

Maybe Lewy's missing a trick and should wear both his cup winner's medal to any pre-match pressers he does.

https://i.ibb.co/hgJMsSh/Screenshot-...0-You-Tube.jpg

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I’m still hoping that Chris Mueller cuts about with an owl on his wrist the whole time and that it wasn’t just a one off photo opportunity.

That would be a decent and worthwhile accessory.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

He's an idiot, you're should send him the article and please read it too

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He really isn't. Clearly he has his own medical opinion which he is clearly entitled to. I'll tell him though that a guy on a football forum thinks he's an idiot though.

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Originally Posted by Coco Bryce

He really isn't. Clearly he has his own medical opinion which he is clearly entitled to. I'll tell him though that a guy on a football forum thinks he's an idiot though.

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Andrew crowxford is seen as one of the world's leading immunologists says his opinion is wrong, so do almost all other immunologists and vaccine experts. It's not just big pharma as you say, it's the leading experts in the field who have nothing to gain

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Originally Posted by Coco Bryce

He really isn't. Clearly he has his own medical opinion which he is clearly entitled to. I'll tell him though that a guy on a football forum thinks he's an idiot though.

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Thinking that the vaccine is unsafe despite the massive overwhelming evidence it isn’t is not “having your own medical opinion”. It’s being duped by nonsense.

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Originally Posted by HibsGW

Thinking that the vaccine is unsafe despite the massive overwhelming evidence it isn’t is not “having your own medical opinion”. It’s being duped by nonsense.

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Well tbf, there's no long term evidence of the vaccine and how it will effect people in 4,5 or even 10 years time.

I tend to think it won't at all, but that doesn't mean there's evidence it won't.

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Originally Posted by Onceinawhile

Well tbf, there's no long term evidence of the vaccine and how it will effect people in 4,5 or even 10 years time.

I tend to think it won't at all, but that doesn't mean there's evidence it won't.

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The majority of medical opinion suggests that any effects from vaccines are seen within the first few weeks of application.

I'm yet to hear of any vaccine being trialled for 4, 5 or 10 years before being made available.

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Originally Posted by Onceinawhile

Well tbf, there's no long term evidence of the vaccine and how it will effect people in 4,5 or even 10 years time.

I tend to think it won't at all, but that doesn't mean there's evidence it won't.

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The problem with balancing risks and benefits of the vaccine in children is that most children have a mild illness with vovid so any risk of a vaccine at all is disproportionately amplified.
The post covid inflammatory condition PIMMS TS, does however cause critical illness in children
I think your friend is offering a personal view rather than it having the scientific kudos of his workplace behind it.

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Originally Posted by Onceinawhile

Well tbf, there's no long term evidence of the vaccine and how it will effect people in 4,5 or even 10 years time.

I tend to think it won't at all, but that doesn't mean there's evidence it won't.

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All effects of vaccines will kick in very soon after the jab. 4 or 5 years down the line the only effect is going to be on your immune system.

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Originally Posted by Kato

All effects of vaccines will kick in very soon after the jab. 4 or 5 years down the line the only effect is going to be on your immune system.

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What do you mean it may effect your immune system down the line? Not meaning to be argumentative just looking to understand

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

The majority of medical opinion suggests that any effects from vaccines are seen within the first few weeks of application.

I'm yet to hear of any vaccine being trialled for 4, 5 or 10 years before being made available.

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Exactly. Once a vaccine is tested for 10 years, we don’t know what it does in 20 years. Test it for 20 years we don’t know what happens in 30 years. All indications are that vaccine side effects show up very quickly.

Andrew L. Croxford
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Thread: Of the arguments put forward for turning down a jab, the most difficult to challenge is ‘there isn’t any long term safety data’. It’s used by anti-vaxxers, but also strikes me as a valid concern for vaccine hesitant people caught up in the Covid-19 info grinder.

It’s painful to argue over and over (so I don’t in general) because there is an inevitable retreat into ‘well you can’t prove it and nobody knows for sure….. so there.”… which is to immunologists what this image is to hiding spots. Cute, but.... well.... room for improvement

It’s kind of a non sequitur, which makes labouring the point frivolous. They argue: 1) All vaccines need long term safety data (of unspecified time). 2) COVID vaccines do not have long term safety data (of unspecified time). 3) Therefore, COVID vaccines are not safe.

People making this argument miss something very important: the time you need to wait to generate confidence in safety varies substantially with the ‘type’ of new therapy in question. Small molecules are different to biologics are different to vaccines are different to whatever

Remember also that trials are divided into multiple endpoints that finish over the course of a few years. The estimated study completion date of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is Feb 2023. But safety endpoints are already completed, and I will try to explain.

Drugs that are administered for chronic conditions accumulate safety data as time goes on. Carcinogenicity/teratogenicity/genotoxicity studies accompany development to de-risk. Toxicologists can wreck your fave project but are like goalkeepers stopping you conceding.

This is paramount for molecules that can have diverse off-target activities with negative outcomes. MANY drugs with favourable drug-like properties will fail, as the the future of a company can depend on not screwing up - and more importantly, patients may suffer.

These points above are for drugs administered over many years, perhaps daily, twice daily, weekly, monthly and so on. This is *very* different for a vaccine. It’s a one-and-done kind of intervention/regimen, split over one or more doses (potentially with boosters to follow).

What is a good amount of time to be sure that a vaccine won’t result in something nasty? There are only two major areas to look at: 1) Components of the vaccine itself that can cause long term effects? 2) Consequences of immunisation, that can result in long term effects?

What’s in an mRNA vaccine? Lipids & polyethylene glycol (widely used laxative and excipient). The rest are substances that can be found in milk products, soft drinks, fruits, or that disgusting stuff you use to make vodka jelly .… and of course some mRNA. https://fda.gov/media/144414/download#page=2

We know these substances and their properties. We obliviously ingest them daily. PEG can be a problem, and anyone with history of allergy is informed pre-jab. This is also why you sit 15 minutes after vaccination, incidentally. They’re looking for anaphylaxis armed with EpiPens

So.. we are left with the immunisation. To understand where the risks lie, you need to understand what’s happening in your body. For the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, primary safety endpoints for serious adverse events conclude after 6 months. Why? https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04

The immune response elicited by COVID vaccines varies between products. In all cases, T cells are primed and move out of the lymph nodes looking for a fight. Antibody titers elevate. This begins around a week after, and continues for a number of months.

This is where risk of vaccine-related severe adverse events is highest (like Guillan-Barré, ITP, VITT, myocarditis). These are identified and documented, and we have observed this system in operation. With vaccines, this will happen in the first weeks/months after the jab.

Then the immune response settles, effector cells decrease in frequency, memory cells are established, humoral immunity plateaus before its slow decline. The risk of immunisation-related severe complications doesn’t further increase after this. Quite the opposite, in fact.

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Originally Posted by Keyser Sauzee

What do you mean it may effect your immune system down the line? Not meaning to be argumentative just looking to understand

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It effects it as in you will retain some measure of immunity. Some vaccines will last for ever, some will need boosted. There are no effects from a vaccine which will kick in years later, or even months later.

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As of 11 January, in London, 3,227 total acute hospital beds were occupied by confirmed COVID-19 patients. However just 1,576 (49%) were being treated primarily for COVID. A month ago it was 80% - so the huge increase in infections has led to many more “incidental” admissions

England as a whole is 55%

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Originally Posted by Kato

It effects it as in you will retain some measure of immunity. Some vaccines will last for ever, some will need boosted. There are no effects from a vaccine which will kick in years later, or even months later.

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Andrew crowxford is seen as one of the world's leading immunologists says his opinion is wrong, so do almost all other immunologists and vaccine experts. It's not just big pharma as you say, it's the leading experts in the field who have nothing to gain

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Your last sentence may not be true. It's quite common for scientists to go support the current narrative in order to retain their funding. It happens in many fields such as Egyptology, go speak against the mainstream and your funding is withdrawn and you no longer have a job.

I'm not saying this is definitely what is happening regarding Covid vaccines but it's a distinct possibility. There are scientists and medical professionals that do speak up but they tend to be ridiculed unfairly in the media or censored so what they are trying to say doesn't even reach the majority of the population. Leaked emails have recently been released where Fauci and another government official are discussing how they are going to stamp down a paper against lockdowns, signed by hundreds of doctors, virologist and scientists.

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Originally Posted by SChibs

Your last sentence may not be true. It's quite common for scientists to go support the current narrative in order to retain their funding. It happens in many fields such as Egyptology, go speak against the mainstream and your funding is withdrawn and you no longer have a job.

I'm not saying this is definitely what is happening regarding Covid vaccines but it's a distinct possibility. There are scientists and medical professionals that do speak up but they tend to be ridiculed unfairly in the media or censored so what they are trying to say doesn't even reach the majority of the population. Leaked emails have recently been released where Fauci and another government official are discussing how they are going to stamp down a paper against lockdowns, signed by hundreds of doctors, virologist and scientists.

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Nah the data doesn't lie and it's being studied by too many people. There's almost a dozen vaccines that didn't make it as the data was poor, from the biggest pharma groups like gsk.

The government and az would have liked under 40s to have az, but the scientific community said although tiny the heart risk means only mrna. Blood clots and heart inflammation was flagged early and widely

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

He's an idiot, you're should send him the article and please read it too

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I don't find that kind of response particularly useful.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Nah the data doesn't lie and it's being studied by too many people. There's almost a dozen vaccines that didn't make it as the data was poor, from the biggest pharma groups like gsk.

The government and az would have liked under 40s to have az, but the scientific community said although tiny the heart risk means only mrna. Blood clots and heart inflammation was flagged early and widely

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The data from the trials for the Pfizer vaccines won't be made public for 80 years, I'm not sure about the other manufacturers. I think this data should be available to the public so people can have a bit more trust in the vaccines and believe there is nothing being hidden from them. It's perfectly reasonable for people to want to read the data for themselves and be sceptical when the data is made unavailable to them. Surely it would be within the publics interest to have the actual information provided to them rather than being told, 'I'm a scientist so just believe me'.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I don't find that kind of response particularly useful.

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Yeah it's poor to be fair, misinformed better.

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Originally Posted by SChibs

The data from the trials for the Pfizer vaccines won't be made public for 80 years, I'm not sure about the other manufacturers. I think this data should be available to the public so people can have a bit more trust in the vaccines and believe there is nothing being hidden from them. It's perfectly reasonable for people to want to read the data for themselves and be sceptical when the data is made unavailable to them. Surely it would be within the publics interest to have the actual information provided to them rather than being told, 'I'm a scientist so just believe me'.

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The data from the trials were released last December. Absolute mases of information. Do you not think they would keep myocarditis quiet if there was a cover up. UK releases every noted side effect observed every week.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

The data from the trials were released last December. Absolute mases of information. Do you not think they would keep myocarditis quiet if there was a cover up. UK releases every noted side effect observed every week.

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There’s also data on gov websites about any noted side effects outside of trials. There’s all the date you’d need. I don’t know why there always has to be some big cover up, I think people just want the story to be a lot more interesting than it is.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

The data from the trials were released last December. Absolute mases of information. Do you not think they would keep myocarditis quiet if there was a cover up. UK releases every noted side effect observed every week.

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Think we are talking about different studies/information

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Originally Posted by HibsGW

There’s also data on gov websites about any noted side effects outside of trials. There’s all the date you’d need. I don’t know why there always has to be some big cover up, I think people just want the story to be a lot more interesting than it is.

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I looked at that the other day, 400k people had received some kind of side effect, I thought that seemed high until I saw we have done over 135m jags, works out about 0.002% risk I think

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

I looked at that the other day, 400k people had received some kind of side effect, I thought that seemed high until I saw we have done over 135m jags, works out about 0.002% risk I think

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About the same risk as a young healthy person dying from covid

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Originally Posted by SChibs

About the same risk as a young person dying from covid

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Yep, one of the reasons I'd be in two minds to give it to kids or not

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Yeah it's poor to be fair, misinformed better.

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Ridicule is never a good way to make a contribution to any discussion, no matter how convinced or certain you feel about the righteousness of your convictions.

There are legitimate concerns; around vaccination, the corruption associated with the contracts and management of resources, the divisive nature of the narrative and the erosion of rights.

It should be a semi-respectful conversation, not a one person crusade to blow any dissenting voice out the water.

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

I looked at that the other day, 400k people had received some kind of side effect, I thought that seemed high until I saw we have done over 135m jags, works out about 0.002% risk I think

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Did they say how they defined a side effect?

I felt crap for a day after the first 2. After the booster my arm was a little sore but nothing more.

I assume that doesn't count as I'd then have expected the figure to be much higher than 400k.

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Yep, one of the reasons I'd be in two minds to give it to kids or not

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I wouldn't be giving it to kids, but then again I think everyone who is deemed medium-high risk should get it as the data is obvious in the support for that. It should also be available for anyone over 16 who wants it. However healthy under 30s with no underlying conditions should be given the choice and not be treated any differently for the decision they make.

It's all down to where we draw our lines, it looks like your line is drawn at kids and I respect your opinion on that. Mine is drawn at under 30s but I end up getting tarnished (not really on here) as an antivax nut job who believes microchips are being planted into us and that's why I havent had 3 jabs. It's frustrating that the media and government turn everything into a you vs them scenario like it's a black or white matter when in reality there's lots of grey in the middle.

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Originally Posted by danhibees1875

Did they say how they defined a side effect?

I felt crap for a day after the first 2. After the booster my arm was a little sore but nothing more.

I assume that doesn't count as I'd then have expected the figure to be much higher than 400k.

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Think it was pretty much anything, but they rely on the public to tell them the side effects they are having, unless it's something pretty major the majority of people won't have done that

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

I looked at that the other day, 400k people had received some kind of side effect, I thought that seemed high until I saw we have done over 135m jags, works out about 0.002% risk I think

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Just looking at the figures there 400k out of 135m is 0.29% chance I'm sure. Someone might correct me on that but it reinforces my point regarding young healthy folks chances of side effects vs serious covid

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Originally Posted by SChibs

Just looking at the figures there 400k out of 135m is 0.29% chance I'm sure. Someone might correct me on that but it reinforces my point regarding young healthy folks chances of side effects vs serious covid

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That was all side effects though, if we are talking life threatening or altering I'm sure it's a small fraction of that 400k

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Think it was pretty much anything, but they rely on the public to tell them the side effects they are having, unless it's something pretty major the majority of people won't have done that

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Of course. Some people I know have said they felt unwell with the booster. Mostly a couple of days, temperature and feeling knocked for six. A couple have said it lasted a bit longer |(one close friend has said he has had recurring episodes of fever and feeling run down since the booster). A smaller number have said it had no effect, beyond the sore arm.

No one I know has gone to their Doctors to report this.

Is this normal? Possibly so. Either way, I do believe it's a thing.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Of course. Some people I know have said they felt unwell with the booster. Mostly a couple of days, temperature and feeling knocked for six. A couple have said it lasted a bit longer |(one close friend has said he has had recurring episodes of fever and feeling run down since the booster). A smaller number have said it had no effect, beyond the sore arm.

No one I know has gone to their Doctors to report this.

Is this normal? Possibly so. Either way, I do believe it's a thing.

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Vaccine side effects are always under reported because as you say not everyone goes to their doctor. Someone might get a side effect, check online and see that it's normal so wait it out and be fine once it subsides
They won't report it so it never gets recorded. However the most serious side effects do tend to be recorded more accurately as they often require medical treatment

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Of course. Some people I know have said they felt unwell with the booster. Mostly a couple of days, temperature and feeling knocked for six. A couple have said it lasted a bit longer |(one close friend has said he has had recurring episodes of fever and feeling run down since the booster). A smaller number have said it had no effect, beyond the sore arm.

No one I know has gone to their Doctors to report this.

Is this normal? Possibly so. Either way, I do believe it's a thing.

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Totally. Something designed to provoke an immune response has provoked an immune response. That's what it's for.

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Originally Posted by SChibs

About the same risk as a young healthy person dying from covid

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A side effect is somewhat different to death.

I'd rather risk the former.

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Originally Posted by SChibs

Just looking at the figures there 400k out of 135m is 0.29% chance I'm sure. Someone might correct me on that but it reinforces my point regarding young healthy folks chances of side effects vs serious covid

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It's side effects v death.

I can't think of any reason not to give the vaccination to children generally.

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Originally Posted by danhibees1875

Did they say how they defined a side effect?

I felt crap for a day after the first 2. After the booster my arm was a little sore but nothing more.

I assume that doesn't count as I'd then have expected the figure to be much higher than 400k.

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It's any side effect no matter how minor.

The yellow card scheme is a tool used to record adverse reactions for all medications. It's probably in the small print info leaflet that comes with all medications.

https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/_asse...nt-YC-form.pdf

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

It's side effects v death.

I can't think of any reason not to give the vaccination to children generally.

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The CDC came out and admitted 12-17 year olds were 5-6 times more likely to be admitted to hospital with vaccine side effects than covid itself. That's a good enough reason for me

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

A side effect is somewhat different to death.

I'd rather risk the former.

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It's like having a 1,000,000 to 1 bet and a 100,000 to 1 bet. One is 10 times more likely to come in but in reality both are extremely unlikely.

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Originally Posted by SChibs

The CDC came out and admitted 12-17 year olds were 5-6 times more likely to be admitted to hospital with vaccine side effects than covid itself. That's a good enough reason for me

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I haven't seen that report.

If that's the case, then I understand your point.

However, if the vaccine is being recommend for children, I would think that the risks of Covid are greater than the risks of the vaccine.

Why would they recommend it otherwise?

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I haven't seen that report.

If that's the case, then I understand your point.

However, if the vaccine is being recommend for children, I would think that the risks of Covid are greater than the risks of the vaccine.

Why would they recommend it otherwise?

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Was it not to essentially calm the spread of the virus by vaccinating kids to stop then spreading it to the more vulnerable? I think that was the primary driver rather than to protect against severe illness.

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The vaccines don't stop the spread, do they?

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Well, yes, if they are vaccinated they are less likely to catch it, therefore the number of kids who can then pass it on is reduced.

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I haven't seen that report.

If that's the case, then I understand your point.

However, if the vaccine is being recommend for children, I would think that the risks of Covid are greater than the risks of the vaccine.

Why would they recommend it otherwise?

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Not sure if I misunderstood the poster with the pal in the Sick Kids, but is the point not about the potential fertility risks? We can't have any data about that yet for kids.

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I haven't seen that report.

If that's the case, then I understand your point.

However, if the vaccine is being recommend for children, I would think that the risks of Covid are greater than the risks of the vaccine.

Why would they recommend it otherwise?

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If I had a son I would think long and hard sbout giving him the vaccine. Boys are 10 times more likely to get myocarditis than girls.

Scotgov daily figures changing to take account of no longer confirming +ve LFT with PCR:

https://blogs.gov.scot/statistics/20...ase-reporting/

Daily Scottish update;

* 8,203 new cases since yesterday - Please note that as of 13 January 2022, this figure includes cases identified using either a first LFD (lateral flow device) or PCR (polymerase chain reaction) positive test.
Increase of 23 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday - 1,560
Decrease of 1 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday - 58
4,395,793 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 1,037 people since yesterday
4,057,606 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 2,854 people since yesterday
3,159,109 people have now received a booster vaccination - 13,572 people since yesterday
26 deaths registered since yesterday

* Whilst improving, there continues to be large volumes of tests being processed by labs; this has impacted turnaround times resulting in delays between specimen’s beings taken and results being received and reported. PHS are continuing to monitor the situation.

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I didn't think vaccination reduced the risk of catching Covid. I thought it reduced the risk of serious illness if/when it's been contacted.

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It reduces the risk of catching it and also reduces the risk of spreading it once you catch it as there’s a higher chance of being asymptomatic. Doesn’t completely remove the risk though.

With omicron it might have changed a bit but with Delta you were about 2/3 less likely to spread the virus than unvaccinated people were.

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It reduces the risk of catching it and also reduces the risk of spreading it once you catch it as there’s a higher chance of being asymptomatic. Doesn’t completely remove the risk though.

With omicron it might have changed a bit but with Delta you were about 2/3 less likely to spread the virus than unvaccinated people were.

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I thought that being asymptomatic doesn't reduce the risk of spreading it.

It just means that you don't know you've got it or you have no symptoms, but you're still infectious. In fact, I'd suggest that asymptomatic people are even more likely to spread it inadvertently.

I thought that vaccines stop serious illness and death and that they didn't stop you catching it or spreading it. I need to do some more research!

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I thought that being asymptomatic doesn't reduce the risk of spreading it.

It just means that you don't know you've got it or you have no symptoms, but you're still infectious. In fact, I'd suggest that asymptomatic people are even more likely to spread it inadvertently.

I thought that vaccines stop serious illness and death and that they didn't stop you catching it or spreading it. I need to do some more research!

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I've a recollection of Dr Chris Smith saying on the BBC Breakfast programme last Saturday that asymptomatic people were less likely to pass it on than those symptomatic. I'm possibly talking keech that it was him, but definitely heard some medical gadgy saying something along these lines recently (how's that for a confident statement of fact 😄?)...

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I've a recollection of Dr Chris Smith saying on the BBC Breakfast programme last Saturday that asymptomatic people were less likely to pass it on than those symptomatic. I'm possibly talking keech that it was him, but definitely heard some medical gadgy saying something along these lines recently (how's that for a confident statement of fact 😄?)...

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Ha ha.

I've had a bit of a search and it seems that actually is the case.

However, a friend of mine in York is triple jagged and has just recovered from a hellish bout of Covid. He says it's the worst illness he's ever had.

He's very glad he's been vaccinated!

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Ha ha.

I've had a bit of a search and it seems that actually is the case.

However, a friend of mine in York is triple jagged and has just recovered from a hellish bout of Covid. He says it's the worst illness he's ever had.

He's very glad he's been vaccinated!

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It certainly seems to affect people to different degrees. The vast majority that I know who've had it haven't had anything worse than fairly mild symptoms, but I've heard from a few that have been completely floored.

Btw, talking of Dr Chris Smith, I recall hearing him on Colin Murray's radio show on BBC 5live away back in the early days of the pandemic. When asked by Murray what percentage of the population he expected to catch the virus, he replied that he expected everyone to become infected at some point. He's probably not wrong. Don't ask me why I remember that, other than some stuff sticks in the brain (not enough in my case, unfortunately).

109,133 cases and 335 deaths registered in the UK today.

* Scotland cases include PCR results only.

Hospital patients continue to decline.

Breakdown of today's cases by council area - PCR results only;

Glasgow - 694
Edinburgh - 529
Fife - 423
South Lanarkshire - 377
North Lanarkshire - 340
Aberdeenshire - 200
Aberdeen - 187
Renfrewshire - 173
West Lothian - 153
Falkirk - 153
Dundee - 152
Highland - 149
North Ayrshire - 135
Perth and Kinross - 127
East Ayrshire - 127
East Dunbartonshire - 113
Angus - 113
East Lothian - 109
Dumfries and Galloway - 90
Scottish Borders - 88
Stirling - 86
East Renfrewshire - 86
Midlothian - 85
South Ayrshire - 83
West Dunbartonshire - 79
Inverclyde - 78
Moray - 60
Clackmannanshire - 59
Argyll and Bute - 54
Orkney - 12
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 11
Shetland - 5

Two parties held in Downing Street as Queen and country mourned death of Prince Philip.

The leaving events for No 10 staff were held on the eve of the Duke's funeral and excessive alcohol is believed to have been consumed.

Downing Street staff drank alcohol into the early hours at two leaving events the night before Prince Philip’s socially-distanced funeral, The Telegraph can reveal.

On the evening of Friday Apr 16 2021, Britain was in a period of public mourning. Union flags on Government buildings across Westminster hung at half mast to mark the passing of Prince Philip, Queen Elizabeth II's husband, the previous week.

With the country in step two of a strict lockdown roadmap, which barred indoor mixing, mourners were told not to leave flowers due to the Covid threat. A book of condolence was set up online to “reduce the risk of transmission” from physical signings.

In a private chapel in Windsor Castle the Prince’s coffin lay overnight. The next day the Queen, her face covered by a black mask, would say farewell to her husband of 73 years. With social distancing rules in force, she sat alone.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...mourned-death/

The US Supreme Court has blocked President Joe Biden's rule requiring workers at large companies to be vaccinated or masked and tested weekly.

The justices at the nation's highest court said the mandate exceeded the Biden administration's authority.

Separately they ruled that a more limited vaccine mandate could stand for staff at government-funded healthcare facilities.

The administration said the mandates would help fight the pandemic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59989476

A new study has linked Covid-19 to complications during pregnancy.

Scottish researchers found that women who catch the virus near the end of pregnancy were more vulnerable to birth-related complications.

They are more likely to suffer them than women who catch Covid in early pregnancy or not at all.

The researchers say getting vaccinated is crucial to protect pregnant women and their babies from life-threatening complications.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59986452

NICOLA Sturgeon has come under fire for crucial business support grants being handed over to traders “at a snail’s pace”.

At First Minister’s Questions, Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross pressed Ms Sturgeon over concerns raised by businesses they have not yet received funding to mitigate restrictions rolled out by the Scottish Government in response to the Omicron surge – despite previously being assured the cash would be handed over by Christmas.

Ms Sturgeon appeared to put the blame onto necessary red tape as councils give out the funding to protect against fraud.

Mr Ross pointed to his opponent’s pledge on December 14 that ”vital financial support…would be delivered before Christmas” but claimed that “the First Minister has failed”.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...pport-funding/

https://twitter.com/stvnews/status/1...556636672?s=21

Next coronavirus variant ‘could be worse than Omicron’, says Leitch.

“It will be the next normal, it won’t be the same as it was pre-Covid,” he said.

Boy on question time just described the choice to take the vaccination or not as the “ultimate first world problem”.

Quite liked that.

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Next coronavirus variant ‘could be worse than Omicron’, says Leitch.

“It will be the next normal, it won’t be the same as it was pre-Covid,” he said.

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The article itself doesn't reflect the soundbite headline, though.

The next variant will be pi. Much easier.

Covid-related absences in the NHS are at their highest levels since April 2020, the month after the first virus case was confirmed in Scotland.

Official figures show about 50,200 NHS staff were off work in the week to 11 January.

The record absence level remains the first week of April 2020, when more than 65,000 NHS staff were absent.

The numbers have soared due to the rapid transmission of the Omicron variant and the strict isolation rules.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59988292

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Covid-related absences in the NHS are at their highest levels since April 2020, the month after the first virus case was confirmed in Scotland.

Official figures show about 50,200 NHS staff were off work in the week to 11 January.

The record absence level remains the first week of April 2020, when more than 65,000 NHS staff were absent.

The numbers have soared due to the rapid transmission of the Omicron variant and the strict isolation rules.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59988292

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I will be in the stats for this week, just did a lateral flow as per guidance and it’s positive 🤦🏼 Thought it was a cold- runny/blocked nose and swollen tonsils. Praying I don’t get a fever as this could cause my epilepsy to worsen.

John Swinney has said he doesn’t understand “the fuss” around vaccine passports.

Speaking before the Covid-19 Recovery Committee on Thursday, the deputy first minister said: “The vaccine certification scheme works well.

“I fail to understand what the fuss is about it. I think it’s a completely reasonable request for us to make.”

https://news.stv.tv/politics/swinney...cine-passports

Welsh Covid restrictions on large events and businesses brought in to tackle the Omicron variant will be scrapped in two weeks under new plans.

It follows mounting pressure from opposition parties demanding an exit plan, and falling case numbers.

Rules limiting outdoor activities will be lifted first.

The Welsh government said the success of the booster campaign meant it was able to lift restrictions, with 1.8 million having received an extra dose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-59984873

Spain seeking to ‘lead’ world with new Covid-19 monitoring system.

The Health Ministry is finalizing a coronavirus surveillance plan that will mirror the one used for the flu, but a leading WHO official and two primary healthcare associations have expressed reservations.

The Spanish Health Ministry wants the ongoing sixth wave of the coronavirus pandemic in the country to be the last that is managed using the indicators that have been in place since the crisis began. Speaking on Wednesday, Health Minister Carolina Darias told reporters that with a largely vaccinated population, and variants such as omicron that appear to be much milder, “it is necessary to evaluate a new Covid monitoring system,” and said that Spain would be seeking to “take the lead” with this debate in international settings.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/english...outputType=amp

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Djokovic to have visa withdrawn by Australian immigration minister according to media reports.

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Confirmed now 😂😂

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...man-with-covid

Absolutely heartbreaking account of the clinical decisions being made.

Well done, Australia!

Australia has revoked tennis star Novak Djokovic's visa for a second time in a row over his right to remain in the country unvaccinated.

The decision by Immigration Minister Alex Hawke means Djokovic now faces being deported.

However, the 34-year-old Serbian can still launch another legal challenge to remain in the country.

The men's tennis number one was scheduled to play in the Australian Open, which begins on Monday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59991762

BBC Breakfast reporting that Djokovic will either be on a flight out of Australia within the next 3-4 hours or he'll need to lodge a second appeal which could mean that he begins the tournament but if the appeal's not heard until next week he may have to pull out during the tournament!

I actually think Djokovic is the type of character who will fight this decision all the way so I expect this to run a bit longer.

It will also be interesting to see if the Immigration Minister's decision today leads to a longer ban from Australia for Djokovic.

'Djokovic has nobody to blame but himself. His selfish approach to life has finally caught up with him':

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2...approach-life/

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BBC Breakfast reporting that Djokovic will either be on a flight out of Australia within the next 3-4 hours or he'll need to lodge a second appeal which could mean that he begins the tournament but if the appeal's not heard until next week he may have to pull out during the tournament!

I actually think Djokovic is the type of character who will fight this decision all the way so I expect this to run a bit longer.

It will also be interesting to see if the Immigration Minister's decision today leads to a longer ban from Australia for Djokovic.

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If he had the grace to go quietly I imagine the potential three-year ban would be waived, but as you say he'll no doubt try to stick around like a bad smell. If so he'll have utterly trashed whatever reputation he had left in Australia - and indeed further afield.

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I will be in the stats for this week, just did a lateral flow as per guidance and it’s positive 🤦🏼 Thought it was a cold- runny/blocked nose and swollen tonsils. Praying I don’t get a fever as this could cause my epilepsy to worsen.

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All the best pal and hope you're like the majority with mild cold like symptoms. :aok:

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Well done, Australia!

Australia has revoked tennis star Novak Djokovic's visa for a second time in a row over his right to remain in the country unvaccinated.

The decision by Immigration Minister Alex Hawke means Djokovic now faces being deported.

However, the 34-year-old Serbian can still launch another legal challenge to remain in the country.

The men's tennis number one was scheduled to play in the Australian Open, which begins on Monday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-59991762

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I wonder why he was even allowed into the country, he was never going to be allowed to play. There's something very fishy about it all imo.

BBC now reporting that Australian Immigration officials will be meeting Djokovic's team tomorrow but he won't need to spend tonight in an immigration hotel.

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If he had the grace to go quietly I imagine the potential three-year ban would be waived, but as you say he'll no doubt try to stick around like a bad smell. If so he'll have utterly trashed whatever reputation he had left in Australia - and indeed further afield.

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The thing with this whole sorry affair is that Tennis Australia and the Victorian Government we’re making promises and assurances that they had no authority to do so. So desperate they were for the World No 1 to be in attendance they rode roughshod over the Federal Governments Immigration Policy.

And having been to Australia multiple times and have family members who have just got citizenship, I know how strict the immigration is in Australia, and that was pre pandemic.

He has to go, to fight will tarnish his legacy. The anti vaxxing kook that he is.

J

FAO @CropleyWasGod

Update from Celtic Connections https://www.celticconnections.com/ne...-january-2022/

We are continuing to engage with the Scottish Government regarding in-person shows due to take place from 24th January onwards and will be able to confirm our approach in line with any ongoing restrictions following the First Minister’s update next week.

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https://twitter.com/stvnews/status/1...556636672?s=21

Next coronavirus variant ‘could be worse than Omicron’, says Leitch.

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Future variants will almost certainly be more vaccine evasive, that's the obvious evolutionary path for them. Whether they're milder or more severe in terms of disease is in the lap of the gods.

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FAO @CropleyWasGod

Update from Celtic Connections https://www.celticconnections.com/ne...-january-2022/

We are continuing to engage with the Scottish Government regarding in-person shows due to take place from 24th January onwards and will be able to confirm our approach in line with any ongoing restrictions following the First Minister’s update next week.

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Cheers :greengrin

WHO have came out and said booster shots every year is not sustainable going forward and the current aim should be vaccinating those who need it in poorer nations rather than giving 3rd and 4th in richer ones. 100% on board with that. Every vulnerable or high risk person across the world should have been at least offered the vaccine before young healthy folk, especially kids. A global pandemic should have seen a global collaborative effort but that would mean countries working together and we all know that rarely happens.

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Generally speaking the virus should get weaker. We should be expecting a weaker virus but have a contingency plan prepared if it doesn't turn out that way.

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I wonder why he was even allowed into the country, he was never going to be allowed to play. There's something very fishy about it all imo.

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The authorities definitely haven't come out of this well at all, although I do believe that the correct decision has now been reached in line with the laws of the land.

It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow after this latest round of talks between the two parties.

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There's no reason for that to happen with this virus. It's random - Alpha and Delta were both more virulent than the original strain, Omicron is milder.

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Is it not the case that the next voc would need to be more infectious as opposed to severe, to have the ability to overtake omicron as the dominant variant?