Ron Gordon

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Originally Posted by SquashedFrogg

Based on what he said when he took over. What should he have already done in his very short time as owner?

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Folk are naturally nervous. New owner comes in with stated good intentions and immediately goes to ground. Radio silence would not be a problem had the team been doing well.. but the opposite is true. We've sacked a manager, falling well short of expectations and the deficiencies in the squad are patently obvious, even to the new manager. Watching opponents doing decent business, while it appears our need is greater, is galling at best.

Big few weeks coming up for Ron. He needs to get the balance between short term needs (2 or 3 key players) and long term ambitions right to convince a lot of fans that he knows what the hell he's doing and that he's here for the right reasons.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Folk are naturally nervous. New owner comes in with stated good intentions and immediately goes to ground. Radio silence would not be a problem had the team been doing well.. but the opposite is true. We've sacked a manager, falling well short of expectations and the deficiencies in the squad are patently obvious, even to the new manager. Watching opponents doing decent business, while it appears our need is greater, is galling at best.

Big few weeks coming up for Ron. He needs to get the balance between short term needs (2 or 3 key players) and long term ambitions right to convince a lot of fans that he knows what the hell he's doing and that he's here for the right reasons.

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I get where you're coming from. I'm more intrigued than nervous.

My understanding was that he'd take stock, assess before anything major would happen.

Clearly there's plans coming.

I just think some of the lazy comments about him on here are getting pretty boring.

In relative terms he's been in the door 5 mins. Let's see what happens over a more realistic period.

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Originally Posted by SquashedFrogg

I'm not talking about Petrie? He's no longer at the club.

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We were told to have patience then too.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

More than six months and that’s more than long enough to let us know wtf is going to happen.

It’s not realism also. Unless we can get an answer as to why he bought us speculation will continue. It’s not as if anything positive has happened since we got bought over.

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The positive is Heck was sacked


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Originally Posted by Hibeesmad

What is the big deal about the indoor pitch being brought in? Is it going to be more effective than bringing in a couple of players better than we already have?

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You need the indoor facility to maintain the regional academy status and the funding that comes with it and the links to specialist educational arrangements.

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Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby

You need the indoor facility to maintain the regional academy status and the funding that comes with it and the links to specialist educational arrangements.

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Medium/long term could transform the team/prospects because of our weather. The building of indoor tennis centres transformed Swedish tennis starting with Borg. Same here in Scotland. Allows you to develop technique instead of fighting the elements.

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Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs

Medium/long term could transform the team/prospects because of our weather. The building of indoor tennis centres transformed Swedish tennis starting with Borg. Same here in Scotland. Allows you develop technique instead of fighting the elements.

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I understand what you're saying, but tennis isn't played in the rain - football is (fairly often).

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Originally Posted by 90+2

I’m sure Sir Tom would have had us debt free before he left always regardless. Debt free is amazing but is that the ambition we have? The owner has? It makes little sense.

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He emphasised he wanted to own a Community Club and Sir Tom was at pains to point out that was a key component in selling to Ron
So to be honest I wasn’t expecting a lot to begin with The AGM has clearly been delayed so that it won’t happen till he has a Plan to bring to it
Once we see this we will know the extend of any Ambition and if he has plans to bring in other investors
If he just wants to own a financially stable Community Club that will become clear
The extent to which he asks for fans financial support in developing an Indoor Training facility will be interesting , as he has hinted about this
I am happy to pay towards player pool budget as I currently do ,but am less inclined to pay towards infrastructure Although would consider a one off payment
I think Heck has derailed us and put a spanner in the works by his poor results and spending the Player Budget poorly
But like a lot of others I hope we get a date for an A G M announced soon so we can hear what his plans are Then and only then will it become clearer the extent of the Clubs ambition
But if we are just trying to make savings and improve every department s performance that can only take us so far ,without extra investment




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To me his intentions are pretty clear from his opening statement which you can read in a preceding post on this page.
It all reads like he is looking to build the club as an investment. He is a business man not a mad man.

That means he will spend money on everything but expensive established players.
I expect the player budget to remain at current levels with Hibs playing in Europe every year from season 2021/22 and fighting with Aberdeen and Hearts for 3rd to 5th in the SPFL.

He will invest on the indoor training pitch and the academy in the hope that we can attract, develop and sell players.
He will spend money on Easter Road so it will be well maintained and the PA system, catering etc will all be sorted out.
STF and Ron Petrie have already done the hard miles other than the indoor training pitch.

Ron Gordon will also improve and develop the business and commercial aspects of the club.

In 6-10 years he will sell a very healthy club for a healthy profit.
This I believe is his end game.

Many of you won't be happy with my predictions but that's what happens when you sell your club.
I think Ron Gordon will be a good owner in that he will ensure the club remains financially stable and he will develop and improve it but there will be no spectacular revolution on the pitch. Expect top 6 every season but not top 2. Natural order.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

natural order will remain i.e us placing 3rd to 6th every season.

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That would actually be an improvement on our natural order

Does anyone know how long he has to be in the building, before we can say he's been in it longer than 5 minutes? :confused:

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Does anyone know how long he has to be in the building, before we can say he's been in it longer than 5 minutes? :confused:

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If you want to get technical, I'd say between 6 and 9 months.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Does anyone know how long he has to be in the building, before we can say he's been in it longer than 5 minutes? :confused:

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6 minutes into the AGM

What's been the actual point of RG? So disappointing and underwhelming to say the least.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

What's been the actual point of RG? So disappointing and underwhelming to say the least.

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Crikey!

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Does anyone know how long he has to be in the building, before we can say he's been in it longer than 5 minutes? :confused:

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He’s also 65 years old so I’d assume he would want things improving sooner rather than later. I wouldn’t have thought it to be a long term project.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

If you want to get technical, I'd say between 6 and 9 months.

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Not bothered about getting technical, just fed up hearing he's only been in the door 5 minutes when he's been here 7 months. :wink:

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

To me his intentions are pretty clear from his opening statement which you can read in a preceding post on this page.
It all reads like he is looking to build the club as an investment. He is a business man not a mad man.

That means he will spend money on everything but expensive established players.
I expect the player budget to remain at current levels with Hibs playing in Europe every year from season 2021/22 and fighting with Aberdeen and Hearts for 3rd to 5th in the SPFL.

He will invest on the indoor training pitch and the academy in the hope that we can attract, develop and sell players.
He will spend money on Easter Road so it will be well maintained and the PA system, catering etc will all be sorted out.
STF and Ron Petrie have already done the hard miles other than the indoor training pitch.

Ron Gordon will also improve and develop the business and commercial aspects of the club.

In 6-10 years he will sell a very healthy club for a healthy profit.
This I believe is his end game.

Many of you won't be happy with my predictions but that's what happens when you sell your club.
I think Ron Gordon will be a good owner in that he will ensure the club remains financially stable and he will develop and improve it but there will be no spectacular revolution on the pitch. Expect top 6 every season but not top 2. Natural order.

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I don’t disagree with a lot of this Timescale of six to 10 years before he sells will be dependent on what pleasure he is getting from owning the Club
If he is looking to sell the Club on for a Profit the problem might be he isn’t too bothered about who then takes over as his bottom line is a Profit It’s so hard to make a profit out of a club like purs although he probably got the club in a good deal as Sir Tom was more interested in the Buyers credentials and intentions So just need to wait and see what happens



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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

What's been the actual point of RG? So disappointing and underwhelming to say the least.

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Have you seen our debt?

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Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay

Have you seen our debt?

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He's not here to clear debt for a club he has no association with, it's f'ing strange. He told Kano and Willie McEwen he's here to get his money back, and more then move on.

I'd rather have the debt than that sort of ****housery.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

He's not here to clear debt for a club he has no association with, it's f'ing strange. He told Kano and Willie McEwen he's here to get his money back, and more then move on.

I'd rather have the debt than that sort of ****housery.

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That's what Fergus McCann did at Celtc. If Ron's even half as successful I'll be delighted.

In saying that, I'd be very surprised of Ron confided in Kano & Willie.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

What's been the actual point of RG? So disappointing and underwhelming to say the least.

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The club was for sale and STF agreed to sell it to Ron Gordon.
Ron paid STF and the club is his now.
He will look after it and eventually try to sell it to someone else for a profit.
Pretty simple really.

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Originally Posted by Ronniekirk

I don’t disagree with a lot of this Timescale of six to 10 years before he sells will be dependent on what pleasure he is getting from owning the Club
If he is looking to sell the Club on for a Profit the problem might be he isn’t too bothered about who then takes over as his bottom line is a Profit It’s so hard to make a profit out of a club like purs although he probably got the club in a good deal as Sir Tom was more interested in the Buyers credentials and intentions So just need to wait and see what happens



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I agree, no worries about Ron Gordon and the risk is who he eventually sells his large majority shareholding to.
Hopefully HSL can come back into play and RG will agree to sell to them IF the fans can come up with the money in sufficient numbers this time.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

He's not here to clear debt for a club he has no association with, it's f'ing strange. He told Kano and Willie McEwen he's here to get his money back, and more then move on.

I'd rather have the debt than that sort of ****housery.

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Did he tell them that aye? :greengrin

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

He's not here to clear debt for a club he has no association with, it's f'ing strange. He told Kano and Willie McEwen he's here to get his money back, and more then move on.

I'd rather have the debt than that sort of ****housery.

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He told Kano? Brilliant. Another Ponzi scheme.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

He's not here to clear debt for a club he has no association with, it's f'ing strange. He told Kano and Willie McEwen he's here to get his money back, and more then move on.

I'd rather have the debt than that sort of ****housery.

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But that’s exactly what he has done.

I seriously doubt he’s had that conversation with Kano and Willie, but if he has, then isn’t that what all business people aim to do...make a profit.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

That's what Fergus McCann did at Celtc. If Ron's even half as successful I'll be delighted.

In saying that, I'd be very surprised of Ron confided in Kano & Willie.

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Fergus took control of a company virtually bust then built it back up to be successful and profitable which resulted from a winning team doing the business.

Ron, however, bought a club in a pretty good financial position with a fairly recent “success” on the pitch which has very quickly slipped backwards. I wonder if he is now changing what he intended to do or reducing it, just a thought.

I too look forward to the AGM in order that we can see just what Ron paid for the club and his cash injection along with clearing the mortgage of £500K, I raised this on another post so let’s see if anyone has any figures - I have tried to piece as much as I can together and Ron appears to have bought us for way under £10 million.

HFC was surely worth more than that?

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Originally Posted by hibeerealist

Fergus took control of a company virtually bust then built it back up to be successful and profitable which resulted from a winning team doing the business.

Ron, however, bought a club in a pretty good financial position with a fairly recent “success” on the pitch which has very quickly slipped backwards. I wonder if he is now changing what he intended to do or reducing it, just a thought.

I too look forward to the AGM in order that we can see just what Ron paid for the club and his cash injection along with clearing the mortgage of £500K, I raised this on another post so let’s see if anyone has any figures - I have tried to piece as much as I can together and Ron appears to have bought us for way under £10 million.

HFC was surely worth more than that?

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I don't think any money paid directly to STF,RP,HFC Holdings or whatever will figure in the accounts. We'll probably never know exactly how much he paid for the club.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

He's not here to clear debt for a club he has no association with, it's f'ing strange. He told Kano and Willie McEwen he's here to get his money back, and more then move on.

I'd rather have the debt than that sort of ****housery.

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Who?

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Originally Posted by hibeerealist

Fergus took control of a company virtually bust then built it back up to be successful and profitable which resulted from a winning team doing the business.

Ron, however, bought a club in a pretty good financial position with a fairly recent “success” on the pitch which has very quickly slipped backwards. I wonder if he is now changing what he intended to do or reducing it, just a thought.

I too look forward to the AGM in order that we can see just what Ron paid for the club and his cash injection along with clearing the mortgage of £500K, I raised this on another post so let’s see if anyone has any figures - I have tried to piece as much as I can together and Ron appears to have bought us for way under £10 million.

HFC was surely worth more than that?

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First the accounts at the AGM will cover the year before Ron bought the club so there will be nothing in them unless there is a note detailing what happened after 30th June.
Second the mortgage cleared was around £3million not £500K.

God help us if the height of peoples ambitions is 6th. No wonder others laugh at us when we try and compare ourselves to hearts and aberdeen.

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Originally Posted by hibeerealist

Fergus took control of a company virtually bust then built it back up to be successful and profitable which resulted from a winning team doing the business.

Ron, however, bought a club in a pretty good financial position with a fairly recent “success” on the pitch which has very quickly slipped backwards. I wonder if he is now changing what he intended to do or reducing it, just a thought.

I too look forward to the AGM in order that we can see just what Ron paid for the club and his cash injection along with clearing the mortgage of £500K, I raised this on another post so let’s see if anyone has any figures - I have tried to piece as much as I can together and Ron appears to have bought us for way under £10 million.

HFC was surely worth more than that?

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First the accounts at the AGM will cover the year before Ron bought the club so there will be nothing in them unless there is a note detailing what happened after 30th June.
Second the mortgage cleared was around £3million not £500K.
Third of course the club was sold for less than £10million.The idea that it was worth more than that is pretty fanciful .

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Originally Posted by we are hibs

God help us if the height of peoples ambitions is 6th. No wonder others laugh at us when we try and compare ourselves to hearts and aberdeen.

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What level of ambition should we have and how would you go about achieving it?



Genuine question, not a dig. I'm just interested in your PoV

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I have zero problem with him making money from us, if he does that then it means we've been successful and are in better nick than when he bought us.

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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge

Did he tell them that aye? :greengrin

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Hahaha unreal eh

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Originally Posted by hibeerealist

Fergus took control of a company virtually bust then built it back up to be successful and profitable which resulted from a winning team doing the business.

Ron, however, bought a club in a pretty good financial position with a fairly recent “success” on the pitch which has very quickly slipped backwards. I wonder if he is now changing what he intended to do or reducing it, just a thought.

I too look forward to the AGM in order that we can see just what Ron paid for the club and his cash injection along with clearing the mortgage of £500K, I raised this on another post so let’s see if anyone has any figures - I have tried to piece as much as I can together and Ron appears to have bought us for way under £10 million.

HFC was surely worth more than that?

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Like everything thing else in life HFC was worth what someone was willing to pay for it and STF was trying to sell it to the right person for a long time before Ron Gordon came along.

The success on the pitch went backwards for 2 reasons, none of which was associated with Ron Gordon.

Reason 1 - The wonderful team that ended season the 2017/18 season moved on to pastures new. Natural causes.
Reason 2 - In the summer transfer window of 2018 Neil Lennon recruited badly and in the first half of the 2018/19 season he realised this, soiled his trousers and started to unravel. Things came to a head and he was sacked.
A new manager was appointed. At the end of the season the loan players and a few others left and Heckenbottom was able to recruit lots of players in the summer of 2019. He recruited many on long and probably lucrative contracts and worst of all didn't replace our defensive mids and didn't know how to use the new guys properly. As a result the team didn't do well and Heckenbottom was rightly sacked.
The board then appointed the level headed and pragmatic Jack Ross who is currently handicapped by having a squad, only 2 of whom have contracts that end in May 2020 and as such it may take until the end of season 2020/21 to fully replace the players he doesn't want with ones that he does.

In conclusion the current playing level is as a result of poor and costly recruitment by Lennon and Heckenbottom and a poor appointment by the board of the latter.

So, nothing to do with Ron Gordon or lack of investment in players.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

What's been the actual point of RG? So disappointing and underwhelming to say the least.

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Ffs, you got millions to put in the club, nah thought not.

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

What's been the actual point of RG? So disappointing and underwhelming to say the least.

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Lol

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

He's not here to clear debt for a club he has no association with, it's f'ing strange. He told Kano and Willie McEwen he's here to get his money back, and more then move on.

I'd rather have the debt than that sort of ****housery.

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This post has given me a good laugh after reading through the transfer thread. Kano ffs

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Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay

Have you seen our debt?

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Or lack of. 😉

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Originally Posted by davhibby

This post has given me a good laugh after reading through the transfer thread. Kano ffs

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Kano, he was a decent player for us, Aberdeen and St Johnstone among others. He now runs a decent pub, with others. Why anyone would confide in him on business matters is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Kano, he was a decent player for us, Aberdeen and St Johnstone among others. He now runs a decent pub, with others. Why anyone would confide in him on business matters is beyond me.

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Maybe Ron likes a drink or 5...

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Originally Posted by Greencore

Maybe Ron likes a drink or 5...

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Maybe, but surely not in the pub I'm thinking of 🤔

We have not won a major trophy since Ron arrived, and I think it's time he told us why.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

I don't think any money paid directly to STF,RP,HFC Holdings or whatever will figure in the accounts. We'll probably never know exactly how much he paid for the club.

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It is the notices from company house and in the posts relating to those notices from last summer.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

We have not won a major trophy since Ron arrived, and I think it's time he told us why.

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We have but they aren't announcing it until 10 minutes before the window transfer slams shut...

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Originally Posted by davhibby

This post has given me a good laugh after reading through the transfer thread. Kano ffs

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I’ll tell you what’s even stranger than Ron telling Kano that he’s just here to get his money back is the story on how his money ended up here without him knowing!

First thing he did was to jet into Edinburgh, host a fake presser with STF then headed down the pub to drown his sorrows. Here he was telling anyone that would listen, including the owner of the pub, that he was just here to get his money back and as soon as he had he’d be gone for good.

It’s a strange tale indeed and we’ve yet to hear the full story...allegedly this will all come out at the AGM. But because his lawyers are now involved the AGM has been delayed repeatedly with recent rumours now suggesting it will need to be after the slamming of a window before it can happen.

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Originally Posted by we are hibs

God help us if the height of peoples ambitions is 6th. No wonder others laugh at us when we try and compare ourselves to hearts and aberdeen.

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This is a belter of a Hibs.net straw man argument.

Literally no one: ‘My ambition is 6th place.’

We are Hibs: ‘God help us. Everyone is laughing at us for something that no one said.’

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Originally Posted by jacomo

This is a belter of a Hibs.net straw man argument.

Literally no one: ‘My ambition is 6th place.’

We are Hibs: ‘God help us. Everyone is laughing at us for something that no one said.’

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The place is full of this sort of crap. It's becoming unbearable.

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Originally Posted by jacomo

This is a belter of a Hibs.net straw man argument.

Literally no one: ‘My ambition is 6th place.’

We are Hibs: ‘God help us. Everyone is laughing at us for something that no one said.’

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Dear Jacamo,
You know fine well that straw man arguments are beloved by the ravers and fantasists of Hibs.net
What is to become of them if they have to post balanced and reality based comments?
As you can see above WEH has already stated that he can't be arsed.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

You know fine well that straw man arguments are beloved by the ravers and fantasists of Hibs.net
More to be pitied than scolded.

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They get on my Wick(er) man...

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Originally Posted by I'm Spartacus

He's not here to clear debt for a club he has no association with, it's f'ing strange. He told Kano and Willie McEwen he's here to get his money back, and more then move on.

I'd rather have the debt than that sort of ****housery.

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Celtic were a tinpot biscuit tin mentality basket case before McCann came in and dragged them into the 20th century.

He made a profit on his investment and left them in a far, far better place.

If RG did similar with Hibs there would be zero complaints from me.

I struggle with the notion that having no direction and a lump of debt is better, either football or business-wise - and as the two men you mention above are both businessmen, I am sure they would agree :aok:

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Kano, he was a decent player for us, Aberdeen and St Johnstone among others. He now runs a decent pub, with others. Why anyone would confide in him on business matters is beyond me.

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Given his previous rantings I think it is safe to say Kano would be one of the last people a new owner would confide in. Suppose he had to move on from STF.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Given his previous rantings I think it is safe to say Kano would be one of the last people a new owner would confide in. Suppose he had to move on from STF.

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Yes if I was the owner he would be the first person I would confide in about my intentions. Was it a troll post?

Is Paul Kane a bit dim?

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

Dear Jacamo,
You know fine well that straw man arguments are beloved by the ravers and fantasists of Hibs.net
What is to become of them if they have to post balanced and reality based comments?
As you can see above WEH has already stated that he can't be arsed.

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Wind your neck in pal.

Paul Kane once again getting it tight on the back of one line from an anonymous poster which may or may not have any truth in it.

From what I recall it doesn’t seem to far away from the truth to suggest that RG will want to increase the value of the club and then sell it on for a profit. That’s surely his end game and I can quite believe that RG met with a few of the higher profile Hibs supporters, Willie McEwan and Kano probably being two of them. Makes complete business sense.

I’m not sure why meeting Kano would make great business sense? And I’ve no idea who the McEwan guy is. So again I don’t understand the relevance to building a business.

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Originally Posted by underscore

I’m not sure why meeting Kano would make great business sense? And I’ve no idea who the McEwan guy is. So again I don’t understand the relevance to building a business.

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Willie McEwan was (is) the owner of McEwan Decor. They sponsored Hibs a fair bit and Willie himself used to be heavily involved with the Hibs Kids and stuff like that.

I think, like Kano, he had a wee falling out with the club (though I could be wrong).

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Willie McEwan was (is) the owner of McEwan Decor. They sponsored Hibs a fair bit and Willie himself used to be heavily involved with the Hibs Kids and stuff like that.

I think, like Kano, he had a wee falling out with the club (though I could be wrong).

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So again I’ve no idea why Ron Gordon would want to spend time with them to discuss Hibs? He’s not emailed me yet. 😂

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Paul Kane once again getting it tight on the back of one line from an anonymous poster which may or may not have any truth in it.

From what I recall it doesn’t seem to far away from the truth to suggest that RG will want to increase the value of the club and then sell it on for a profit. That’s surely his end game and I can quite believe that RG met with a few of the higher profile Hibs supporters, Willie McEwan and Kano probably being two of them. Makes complete business sense.

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He's not really getting it tight though and it's possible that he met with Ron Gordon. It's pretty much inconceivable that Ron would say what was claimed to high profile supporters of the club even if that was his intention. It's the poster that made the claim and apparently believes it that is (rightly IMO) getting it tight.

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

First the accounts at the AGM will cover the year before Ron bought the club so there will be nothing in them unless there is a note detailing what happened after 30th June.
Second the mortgage cleared was around £3million not £500K.

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Think the confusion here is that Hibs fc were paying back 500k a year to the holding company.
Great thing is 500k extra for the overall budget ..
Stf said before he left the books for the last year will be very good indicating a large cash surplus so I guess that why there is interest

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

He's not really getting it tight though and it's possible that he met with Ron Gordon. It's pretty much inconceivable that Ron would say what was claimed to high profile supporters of the club even if that was his intention. It's the poster that made the claim and apparently believes it that is (rightly IMO) getting it tight.

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That's how I see it.

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Originally Posted by we are hibs

Wind your neck in pal.

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Maybe take a wee step back yourself?

I’m all up for robust discussion and disagreements, but keep it friendly eh?

Maybe Ron Gordon was speaking to Paul Kane as the chair, or whatever he is, of the Former Players Association. There's a lot of goodwill from the support towards former players so it makes sense.

Chatting with a former sponsor maybe finding out why he's a former sponsor and encouraging him to renew his sponsorship. Again it makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Jack

Maybe Ron Gordon was speaking to Paul Kane as the chair, or whatever he is, of the Former Players Association. There's a lot of goodwill from the support towards former players so it makes sense.

Chatting with a former sponsor maybe finding out why he's a former sponsor and encouraging him to renew his sponsorship. Again it makes sense.

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If such a meeting took place Ron would have been told of Kano's problems with the board and previous owner(s).

It would make no sense whatsoever for Ron to say to Kano and Wille (as a potential sponsor) that his only plan was to sell the club at a profit.

It would be ideal if somebody independent (from me!) asked PK and/or WMcE as to the content of their exact conversation, they are 2 very loyal and vocal supporters with the clubs best interests at heart.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

If such a meeting took place Ron would have been told of Kano's problems with the board and previous owner(s).

It would make no sense whatsoever for Ron to say to Kano and Wille (as a potential sponsor) that his only plan was to sell the club at a profit.

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Did he not say that in public?

Something along the lines of increasing the value of Hibs and therefore the value of his shareholding. That's making a profit that benefits him and the club.

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Did he not say that in public?

Something along the lines of increasing the value of Hibs and therefore the value of his shareholding. That's making a profit that benefits him and the club.

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"He told Kano and Willie McEwen he's here to get his money back, and more then move on" is what was posted

I'd imagine he plans to do quite a lot of different things with the club before then.

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

I think people may be missing the point here.Ron’s been in the door five minutes and has we believe cleared the mortgage and put in more cash.The main thing that has happened is first the football dept.was given a budget to bring in new players and made a complete horlicks of it.The manager appointed by the previous board was not up to the job and was sacked by the new board.Given that the football people have wasted a good financial position it is highly unlikely that Ron is going,in the short term,to say”well you did so badly last time I’m going to give you a good bit more dosh to spend”.I Suspect his thinking is of the “you messed it up,you sort it “kind and that way he’ll see what they’re made of.

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I disagree, where would we have been if Stubbs was told you have no money to fix the mess Butcher left us in? The club knew they made a mess of things and also realised they needed to spend to fix it. It's part of football, it's a slippery slope if you sit and hope things will get better rather than going out and making them better (by improving the squad).

Logged on for the first time in quite a while only to discover this thread disappearing over the horizon with its ar5e on fire.

I'm not even going to glance at the Holy Ground...

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Logged on for the first time in quite a while only to discover this thread disappearing over the horizon with its ar5e on fire.

I'm not even going to glance at the Holy Ground...

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Ever thought the two might be related?

In your absence, Hibs.net is lost and adrift on a sea of poor puns and even poorer bickering.

Your particular brand of nonsense and inventive Jambo mockery is needed!

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He's not really getting it tight though and it's possible that he met with Ron Gordon. It's pretty much inconceivable that Ron would say what was claimed to high profile supporters of the club even if that was his intention. It's the poster that made the claim and apparently believes it that is (rightly IMO) getting it tight.

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I don't think it's inconceivable at all - he's bought the club and at some point wants to get out having made some money on his investment? I'd be amazed if his plan was anything other than that.

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I don't think it's inconceivable at all - he's bought the club and at some point wants to get out having made some money on his investment? I'd be amazed if his plan was anything other than that.

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Absolutely agree. He’s seeing Hibs as a chance to make money, there are many different ways to increase the value of his shareholding and I guess that’s what we are all waiting to hear.

However his plans for our club should stand up to scrutiny, be transparent and above all in the best interests of every supporter.

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Absolutely agree. He’s seeing Hibs as a chance to make money, there are many different ways to increase the value of his shareholding and I guess that’s what we are all waiting to hear.

However his plans for our club should stand up to scrutiny, be transparent and above all in the best interests of every supporter.

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If he’s ever making money from hibs, which is doubtful, it means we’ll have been successful on the pitch

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I don't think it's inconceivable at all - he's bought the club and at some point wants to get out having made some money on his investment? I'd be amazed if his plan was anything other than that.

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It's not the plan that I think is inconceivable, it's the idea that he'd share it with two people he hardly knows in the terms expressed in the op.

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Originally Posted by Stuart93

If he’s ever making money from hibs, which is doubtful, it means we’ll have been successful on the pitch

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If you think getting a return on his capital investment is “doubtful” can you share an opinion why he bought the club?




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If you think getting a return on his capital investment is “doubtful” can you share an opinion why he bought the club?

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To sell off all our assets, e.g the Stadium and Training Centre, then run off to the US with the proceeds.

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To sell off all our assets, e.g the Stadium and Training Centre, then run off to the US with the proceeds.

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Aye. His track record of building successful sustainable community centric businesses suggests that will be his plan.....[emoji2]

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What investor in Scottish football of the past 20 years has bought a club and made a profit?

He shouldn’t have to answer the second part either, the owner should have addressed the situation by now.

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If you think getting a return on his capital investment is “doubtful” can you share an opinion why he bought the club?

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Probably the same reason I’d fancy buying a football club - because I’ve been fanatical about football my whole life and it’s something I’d love to do if I had the time and money. Christ, the amount of hours I put into playing Championship/Football manager when I was younger, it would be fun to do that for real.

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What investor in Scottish football of the past 20 years has bought a club and made a profit?

He shouldn’t have to answer the second part either, the owner should have addressed the situation by now.

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Fergus McCann?

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Originally Posted by 90+2

What investor in Scottish football of the past 20 years has bought a club and made a profit?

He shouldn’t have to answer the second part either, the owner should have addressed the situation by now.

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He did sort of answer this last summer, although I’ll admit that I was hoping for a bit more flesh on the bones by now.

Anyhow, as per my previous post...

He made a huge profit when he sold his business, loves football and so started looking for a club to invest in. He was looking for about three years, not a Hibs fan, but has family connections to Scotland and recognised a well-run outfit and good opportunity when he saw one.

So looks like he decided to pony up after all 👍

Kano told him to go and get Steph.

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Kano told him to go and get Steph.

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😂😂

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Originally Posted by underscore

Kano told him to go and get Steph.

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:greengrin :top marks

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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

Fergus McCann?

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Slight tangent (not a problem on this thread it seems!) but am I right in thinking that Fergus was roundly boo’d by the Celtic fans when he unveiled the league title flag one year as he was seen as being too tight and only in it for the money?

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Slight tangent (not a problem on this thread it seems!) but am I right in thinking that Fergus was roundly boo’d by the Celtic fans when he unveiled the league title flag one year as he was seen as being too tight and only in it for the money?

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Yes.After all he had only saved them from disappearing.Doesn’t compare with not giving McStay more money.

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Fergus McCann?

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That was over 20 years ago 👍

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He did sort of answer this last summer, although I’ll admit that I was hoping for a bit more flesh on the bones by now.

Anyhow, as per my previous post...

He made a huge profit when he sold his business, loves football and so started looking for a club to invest in. He was looking for about three years, not a Hibs fan, but has family connections to Scotland and recognised a well-run outfit and good opportunity when he saw one.

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Fair do’s. You would think he would look closer to where he stays to buy a club for they reasons instead of just watching on Hibs TV. 👍

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Yes.After all he had only saved them from disappearing.Doesn’t compare with not giving McStay more money.

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Ahh thought so! Sure it was after he had rebuilt their stadium and stopped Rangers winning 10 in a row as well...crazy stuff but just shows how fickle fans can be!

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Originally Posted by 90+2

That was over 20 years ago 👍

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You get the gist though eh, he sold them 21 years ago 👍

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

Yes.After all he had only saved them from disappearing.Doesn’t compare with not giving McStay more money.

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Did it have something to do with Mo Johnston going to rangers as well? Or was that before this point in time?

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Fair do’s. You would think he would look closer to where he stays to buy a club for they reasons instead of just watching on Hibs TV. 👍

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His reasons, not mine.

Americans with Scottish heritage do often have a real fascination with the ‘old country’ though.

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His reasons, not mine.

Americans with Scottish heritage do often have a real fascination with the ‘old country’ though.

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Is he not Peruvian?

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Is he not Peruvian?

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1 of his parents is think the other is American with scottish heritage

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Is he not Peruvian?

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Think his dad is American, his mum from Peru. He was born in Peru but moved to USA when he was 15. So a bit of both (and Scottish of course!)

Again, I posted his July interview earlier in this thread which answers a lot of this.

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1 of his parents is think the other is American with scottish heritage

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Think the American is his mother's second husband and is not his father.

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Slight tangent (not a problem on this thread it seems!) but am I right in thinking that Fergus was roundly boo’d by the Celtic fans when he unveiled the league title flag one year as he was seen as being too tight and only in it for the money?

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Yep.

After saving them from bankruptcy, overseeing the re-build of their stadium and them winning their first title in ten years, he thought his work was done and he would sell his shares.

The Celtc Fans were upset that that the money from the sale was going to him, and not being put straight back into the club.

They've always been a strange bunch.