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Trump is pretty much as bad as Biden in terms of his ability to speak. His speeches are consistently incoherent and and fantastical and he forgets words and just mumbles until he picks up again.
I don't know why more is not being made of this. Actually I do.
It’s wrong. 20 year old Thomas Matthew Crooks has been named as the now dead shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
His remarks about Pelosi still resonate. There are deaths because of what he incited and now seeks to wriggle out of.
Narcissist sociopath who will turn even this horrible event to his advantage, no genuine humanity or empathy.
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More isn’t being made of it because it’s not the case. I have absolutely zero time for trump, but the idea he’s as bad a public speaker as Biden is miles off it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
Any lingering chance, which Biden or a replacement Democratic candidate had of defeating Trump, has evaporated with this crazy incident.
I doubt this moves polls much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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https://x.com/ResoluteSquare/status/1800175700613239224Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Reagan got a big boost in the polls after his attempted assassination. The Guardian newspaper reporting the shooter was a registered Republican. I’m always surprised with the gun culture in the States that this sort of thing doesn’t happen more often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think Trump is a shoo in for the Presidency now.
Yup. And Joe Biden manages to do that when the teleprompter doesn’t break.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
As I said, I’m no fan of trump and his ideologies by any means, but the idea they’re equally as bad public speakers or that they’re at a similar stage in life in terms of their cognitive abilities is just silly.
Biden has to drop out. Not just to beat Trump but for his own good and the good of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
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You're quite right. Just not in the way you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Undoubtedly this will help him. Conspiracies will be rife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Delighted this never succeeded. Not because I like Trump but because this would have seen so many life’s lost in the fallout.
https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/eur...dRedirect=true
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Yep. It’s quite scary to think what effect a Putin puppet in the White House would have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Heard this on Morning breakfast, seemingly the shooter is a Republican party member, so his own members are trying to kill him.
I guess if you surround yourself with gun toting lunatics then results can get unpredictable.[emoji2369]Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
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Originally Posted by Jim44
Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it as well.
My feelings on this are; I have sympathy for the innocent victim... but also dread what this could lead to, given the previous behaviour of some of his MAGA followers and the ridiculously entrenched divisions in US politics.
Trump is going to make the most of this and I wouldn't be surprised if he encourages retaliation of some kind.
https://x.com/brianklaas/status/1812...C3BFp5Xyg&s=08
Just a wee reminder of the man's lack of humanity. I guess he will understand if people have a similar reaction to his misfortune
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Seconds after the shooting, with minimal damage to himself, admittedly, he was fist pumping and screaming fight, fight, fight. Consequences will be grave for America, internally and also for world peace as Trump and his hero, Putin, unite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
It’s worked out pretty well for Trump, every image is election gold. Fist pumping with the American flag flying behind him. On the ground with his hands cupped looking like he is praying.
Unfortunately unless Biden pulls out and is replaced with a very strong, well liked candidate, one evil act is going to lead to even more evil acts through a Trump presidency.
Reports saying that the shooter was a registered member of the Republican Party but had made a financial donation to the Democrats. Conspiracy theories will grow arms and legs.
Good article. Sums up exactly how I feel about the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Feel desperately sorry for the Ukrainian people who in a matter of months will be cut free from air. Europe has to step up.
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there's class
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSatbCAW...jpg&name=large
and there's TRUMPS
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSatbCNX...jpg&name=large
i noticed this morning that tweet had been deletedQuote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
i said several months ago, and even further back, that a country full of guns and amazingly no one had taken a pop at him
Europe won’t go to war with Russia without U.S. support. If Trump gets in and pulls the plug the best hope is a ceasefire with Russia consolidating its territorial gains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
See Nigel Fascist is blaming Liberalism for this. Nothing to do with gun laws then.
In Nasty Nige's world only his type of people would be allowed guns, to sort out the Liberalism and everything and everyone else that isn't like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY
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Russia will bring war to us if we back down. It’s inevitable. It’s happened many times before in History.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
Thankfully democracies usually come out on top but we’ll spill a lot of blood.
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My point. I’d rather send some tax pounds to Ukraine than send my sons there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Plus British industry benefits as we re stock all the ammunition and weapons used. More employment, more tax revenue, less Putin and Russians in Ukraine.
Trump is like a kid, and he admires Putin SOOOOO much.
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Do you think the secret service yelled “Donald Duck” :greengrin:greengrin
Putin's already said that's not sufficient for this conflict to end. He wants to return the entirety of Ukraine to 'mother Russia's bosom'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
Please don't ask me where I heard him say that (I honestly can't remember), but it was quite recently.
He would need a ceasefire to do that. Crimea is unsustainable until then as it has no fresh water supply and is within range of Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
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I'm sure it's what the electorate of Clacton wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSdGRiHW...pg&name=medium
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Originally Posted by Sylar
Funny that he doesn't apply the same principles to Kaliningrad (or Königsberg) and offer to return it to Germany.
It's one of the things I question most (there's numerous potentially ridiculous security breaches)Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
But would the secret service genuinely let the president pop his head up multiple times and raise a fist literally seconds after he's been shot at
Absolutely mind blowing
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It doesn’t matter what the Democrats do with Biden now, Trump wins.
I still think he loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Elaborate, please Ozy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
In my opinion, Trump has been given the golden ticket to the White House. He will get 100% of the Republican vote, the vote of most fence sitters and, very importantly, a substantial number of ‘light’ Democrats who will give him a sympathy vote.
I just don’t think America will vote him back in when it comes down to it in November.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
I’d like Biden to stand aside but I still think he can win.
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I think prior to todays events, Biden probably would have been pressured into standing down eventually, with Biden having a very slim chance to win if he stood and Harris about 45% chance to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think today changes that and Biden will now run. I genuinely don’t think he has a hope in hell in winning to be honest.
What baffles me the most is how even when the two candidates are possible the worst ever on offer, the obvious option of a credible 3rd party being formed and standing isn’t even considered an option.
Having seen photos of the injury Trump sustained he has to be the luckiest person alive. An inch to the right and he would be dead. He must have been facing directly at the shooter for him only to lose the top of his ear.
Or there was a straight line between his right ear, left ear and the sniper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Seen some comments that it was actually shards from the teleprompter that caused the damage rather than actually being shotQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Not sure if that's right or not
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Attachment 28049Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Originally Posted by Callum_62
Yeah, I didn't think his injuries were directly from a bullet.
FWIW, my first thoughts on hearing about the shooting was that the whole thing had been rigged by the Trump team, but I realise I'm getting into the conspiracy theory nut-job area with that one...
There's a still which shows the bullet whizzing past his head.
Wait and see if the shooter gets silenced before you rule it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
The shooter is dead, shot at the scene by marksm.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
That's what they're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
OK, what's your theory??Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Originally Posted by NORTHERNHIBBY
It'll get worse when he finds out what liberalism is and how it allows the likes of him and his family rights and privileges they might not otherwise enjoy in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Wonder how the voters in Clacton are enjoying his commitment to the adulation he craves in the States and the time he is devoting to that part of the world.
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Too early to say. The Warren Commission took nearly a year to report, and that wasn't exactly conclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
As mentioned earlier, it was very strange to see Trump stand and punch the air in the middle of an assassination attempt. Trump's not normal, but it would be normal to hunker down. I haven't thought of him as unduly brave previously. I suppose recklessly stupid might cover it.
Every news outlet is saying that the shooter was shot and killed by security marksman, are you disputing that?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Too early to say. I don't necessarily believe everything that comes out of American polis depts. Has a motive been suggested yet? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Attachment 28050
This shows the bullet going past his head.
It's America, do they need a motive to carry guns?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Conspiracy theories abound. Republican 'attempts to assassinate the Republican candidate' but miraculously missed from 130m with high velocity rifle, amid high security and is pointed out by members of the crowd.
It's a strange way for a young man to effectively commit suicide. And Trump is such a big, fat target to effectively miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
another result for Trump from a Judge Really American 🇺🇸 on X: "🚨MAJOR BREAKING: In an unbelievable miscarriage of justice, Judge Aileen Cannon has just DISMISSED the classified documents case against Donald Trump. Jack Smith's team, of course, will appeal the disgraceful decision. https://t.co/5Bfc0ooq0J" / X
i honestly never realised that the yank judiciary was so damn corrupt
Teflon Don true enough
America is heading to a dark place. And Europe and the UK are not ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
just heard on Al jazeera she was a Trump appointee :rolleyes:
no wonder he's such a cocky cant
She has done everything she can to delay the case for him. This was final act. It will be appealed but it now won’t happen until next year. The case itself is a slam dunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
There would be dozens of witnesses to him being shot by the secret service surely?
Was he a Republican though ? Maybe joined the party to get access to events where Trump was appearing to carry out the assassination or maybe like the John Lennon shooter a loser who wanted to be remembered for something, anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
They might have been hidden behind a grassy knoll:dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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Originally Posted by greenginger
Not much to go on but here's what the BBC have written about his background.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gw58wv4e9o
It seems odd that when everyone and their dug know all what happened, the Guardian is still today referring to the dead man as the 'suspect'. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...shooter-motiveQuote:
Originally Posted by McD
I thought you were joking? There is videos of him climbing on the roof, videos of him shooting and videos of him getting his head blown off by snipers. Multiple pictures online minutes after with his head a bloody mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
The polis were saying earlier today that it's too early to know what his motive for shooting at Trump was. Nothing in his social media history to suggest a reason. Have they decided now? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Usually it has little that makes sense to someone looking in.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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There won't be much logic in why a 20yo chose to murder the president knowing he'll be killed. Like most cases like this I'll assume mental health problems and easy access to gunsQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
He shot from outside the venue.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Almost certainly the case. Good chance if Biden was in town instead he’d have went for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Oh well then, lone killer, acting alone, just for the notoriety. Honestly, 'conspiracy theory' gets such a bad rap these days that some of you guys won't even consider the possibility that the Dems might have put him up to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's possible but I think if they had they would have given him a colander to wear on his head to protect him from secret service bullets and to simultaneously receive messages from the White House.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Some video here. Don't think it's too horrible for this site.
https://x.com/madorison/status/1812930710422102328
Well. How many more Republicans are actually Democrat sleepers?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Can’t trust anyone. Maybe a purge is required?
Darker or lighter if the lone shooter had succeeded? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Under-rated protective devices :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Deluxe versions come with a TV aerial as standardQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Soon to be US VP JD Vance:
https://x.com/bmay/status/1812941608570278107
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Originally Posted by JD Vance
Doesn’t say much or anything about the security at the eventQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I know that, maybe he sussed he wouldn’t get into a venue toting an automatic rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Pretty much every he has ever said is abhorrent, apart from his constant slatting of trump that he has obviously ignored now.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
JD Vance takes a shot at the UK Labour Party:
“What is the first truly Islamist country to get a nuke? And we were like, maybe it's Iran, maybe Pakistan already kind of counts. And then we finally decided maybe it's actually the UK since Labour took over
Said women should stay in violent marriages “for the sake of their kids”
Is against IVF and abortion even for cases of rape or incest
Warns against swarms of immigrants and the replacement theory that Democrats are trying to replace white people with coloured people to win power
If t helps, I read online that the real name of the shooter was Claus von StauffenbergQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Guardian is still today referring to Crooks as the 'suspect' and 'alleged shooter'. Can't be to ensure he gets a fair trial, perhaps they're suffering from the lunatic woke mind virus. Stauffy definitely didn't do his thing for the notoriety, did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
What article are you referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Edit : presumably this one.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-shooting-suspect-home-town-motive
But you really need to actually read the article before posting.
I read the article. It refers to Crooks as the 'suspect' and as 'alleged' shooter. What is it that you are disputing? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Crooks was almost instantly killed by Secret Service agents returning fireQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
It's obviously legal reasons. There's a dozen videos from the public of him climbing up, shooting and also getting his head blown, one us magazine has a picture of his head with blood pouring out post shooting I would have preferred to have not seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I'm actually not sure what it is your saying to be fair though
I'm saying I don't understand why the Guardian is using this language when the person in question is already dead. What are the obvious legal reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
No idea but it certainly doesn't concern me enough to spend 10 minutes looking it upQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Until the Feds retrieve the bullets and check against the rifle Crooks had they won’t say categorically he was the shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee