I'm sure this will grow arms and legs over the course of the next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
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I'm sure this will grow arms and legs over the course of the next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Good. Time for the snp to get the NHS working properly and expanding capacityQuote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Breakdown of today's cases by council area;
Glasgow - 916
North Lanarkshire - 592
Edinburgh - 536
South Lanarkshire - 470
Fife - 353
Renfrewshire - 288
West Lothian - 226
Aberdeenshire - 219
Highland - 212
Falkirk - 188
Dundee - 183
East Dunbartonshire - 169
West Dunbartonshire - 146
Aberdeen - 145
Dumfries and Galloway - 139
East Renfrewshire - 116
North Ayrshire - 104
Stirling - 103
Inverclyde - 103
Angus - 96
East Lothian - 94
South Ayrshire - 90
Midlothian - 87
East Ayrshire - 84
Perth and Kinross - 83
Scottish Borders - 79
Argyll and Bute - 78
Clackmannanshire - 76
Moray - 21
Shetland - 17
Orkney - 4
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 4
Which is why there will be nothing like a shutdown of hospitality, IMHO. Any government to shut down parts of the economy without financial support is committing political suicide. IMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
32,181 cases and 50 deaths registered in the UK today.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...mpression=true
England to press on with bringing in vaccine passports next month
We really, really need to follow, or explain in clear terms why not and what else is being done to avoid future lockdowns. Appealing to the public to be cautious, get vaccinated etc isn't working and Delta has completely destroyed previous plans given how transmissible it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
If Boris can see this, how the **** is NS not?
Seems there may be enough dissenters in the Tory Party to block it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Good - now for a similar statement up here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
By when?Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoDoidge
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Daily update - first dose;Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
UK - 48,048,009 (88.3% of eligible population)
Wales - 2,352,754 (90.5% of eligible population)
Scotland - 4,106,408 (90.3% of eligible population)
England - 40,304,404 (88.2% of eligible population)
Northern Ireland - 1,284,443 (85.6% of eligible population)
Second dose;
UK - 42,790,585 (78.7% of eligible population)
Wales - 2,180,336 (83.9% of eligible population)
Scotland - 3,680,761 (80.9% of eligible population)
England - 35,768,055 (78.3% of eligible population)
Northern Ireland - 1,161,433 (77.4% of eligible population)
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Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-58402153
Of course it's linked to schools! Anyone I know that has kids in schools knows of multiple cases, and it's hardly a surprise given that the strategy is now clearly to let it run through them - particularly primaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Yip, I got another notification today from the school. Just highlighting the point you've made given E. Dunbartonshire currently has the highest case and vaccination rates in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
The teachers must be delighted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Glasgow and Lanarkshire are the two worse hit coronavirus hotspots in Europe, according to the World Health Organisation.
The rate of Covid-19 cases per person in the two Scottish regions are significantly higher than elsewhere in the country, the United Kingdom and the continent.
https://news.stv.tv/west-central/gla...-of-europe?top
The EIS has asked they are prioritised for boosters, I hope that includes the min wage PSA's who btw are about to ballot for industrial action re: their shocking pay increase. We'll no doubt hear the FM say (again) tomorrow in her Parliamentary statement schools have enhanced measures in place (even though they don't)...Quote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
Looking like it's happening.Quote:
PUB bosses have warned of “severe and irreversible damage” to the industry if Nicola Sturgeon clobbers the sector with new curbs.The First Minister is to make a statement today where she’s expected to reiterate that reimposing restrictions in the coming weeks is possible if the surge in cases continues.
Last night, one insider said ministers could peg back opening hours - and even shut nightclubs again.
But senior sources insisted there was still no immediate plan for new restrictions , with ministers and officials hopeful that the dramatic surge in cases - partly fuelled by high test numbers - will settle down in the coming days.
Ms Sturgeon’s parly address comes after Scotland recorded seven more deaths of people with recently confirmed Covid and 6,029 new cases.
And 585 people who recently caught the virus were in hospital, up by 34 in a day, with 54 patients in intensive care, up two. This compares to pandemic peaks of 2053 in hospital and 221 in intensive care.
Ahead of Ms Sturgeon’s statement, Scottish Government national clinical director Jason Leitch said public health officials’ advice to ministers would be that “you have to stop transmission”.
He added: “Transmission happens indoors, unventilated, in crowds. So if you wanted to stop transmission, you need to think about areas that fit that criteria that you can just turn back a little bit.”
Asked if that meant nightclubs and pubs, he said that “might be where you start”, but said ministers would also have to consider the economic implications.
Last night Scottish Beer and Pub Association spokesman Paul Togneri said: “Any further restrictions placed on the hospitality industry would do severe and irreversible damage to an already fragile sector at the worst possible time.
“Professor Leitch is right to highlight the economic complexities that factor into the decision-making process.”
Glasgow businessman Donald MacLeod, who owns the Garage and Cathouse clubs, said he feared ministers were “switching the tap on and off on a whim” which would leave the night-time industry “in paralysis”.
He said: “It seems to me they’re putting the frighteners on here and I just wish they’d stop it.
“I wish they’d let us get on with our lives because we now have 80 odd per cent double vaccinated. People might be contracting the virus but there’s no pressure that I can see.
“It’s about time we started accepting that the vaccine is doing its job.
“Are we going to be doing this alone, being the only part of the UK closing down again?
“Eighteen months of this has been awful and we must move out of it. The mental stress of this is incredible - it’s taken its toll on a lot of people.”
FURLOUGH ENDING
Sources have said that the end of the UK Government’s furlough scheme on September 30 is a factor weighing on SNP ministers’ minds, and could make closures now more likely.
Last night, SNP Finance Secretary Kate Forbes - isolating due to a family member testing positive - told a Holyrood committee via video link that there was money available for business support or furlough if Scotland were to impose fresh restrictions, with furlough ending in four weeks.
Senior hospitality industry sources said any move to impose fresh restrictions on the sector was likely to be met by legal challenges on “proportionality” grounds, with hospital cases only just above levels when hours were extended to midnight in July.
Colin Wilkinson, managing director of the Scottish Licensed Trade Association, said: “If pubs and clubs have to close again – in a so-called circuit-breaker – it will be absolutely devasting for our industry.
“We’ve talked about a perfect storm – another lockdown would be a tsunami from which many simply won’t recover.
“We’re trying to recover from the pandemic, businesses are striving to get up and running again at a time when there are now supply chain issues and staff shortages. Everything that can be thrown at businesses in the licensed hospitality sector has been – businesses just can’t take any more.”
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...-restrictions/
A ban on travellers using private Covid tests when returning from abroad could be scrapped by the Welsh government.
Rules say travellers from Wales should use NHS tests, costing £68 each, when going abroad or face a £1,000 fine.
First Minister Mark Drakeford had said in July he had "no plans" to change Wales' preferred approach of using NHS tests as the Welsh government was advising against foreign travel.
But a Welsh government spokesman has said the policy is now being reviewed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-58400233
They can **** off with that ****. Hospital numbers are a quarter of what they were at their peak. There’s only 54 people in intensive care, how is that causing the nhs to become overrun? Any restrictions now are only kicking the can further down the road into the flu season when the pressures on the nhs will be far greater.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
You can bet your arse the can will be kicked well past winter if they decide to start restrictions again. If we’re going to sack off opening now then we’ll not be doing it in winter because of the pressures already on the NHS.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
What a shambles. We are constantly being told the nhs in Scotland outperforms the other home nations, but they’re not talking about more restrictions or collapsing under the pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
They're not talking about restrictions yet, but the NHS in England, Wales and NI are facing the same problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
20+ hours a and e waiting times and army called in Devon and Cornwall
https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.c...ws-1174064/amp
Army called in to help ambulance services in England
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...h-58281665.amp
Worst A and E performance ever in Wales plus waiting lists of 650,000 patients
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58267774
NI A and E under extreme pressure
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-58382927
Schools back this week in England/Wales as well I think - what could possibly go wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
Students coming back soon after too - I'd say quite a bit can go wrong (and will), as you allude.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
But no mention of restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
Weekly NRS update;
In the 7 days up to 29th August 48 deaths have been registered where Covid-19 was mentioned on the death certificate - increase of 7 from the previous 7 days.
9 of the deaths were patients under 65, 11 aged 65-74 and 28 were 75+.
Deaths from all causes in the 7 days up to 29th August were 10% above the 2015-2019 average for the time of year.
Deaths at home and in non-institutional settings were 39% above average, hospitals 2% above average and care homes 7% below average compared with the 2015-2019 average.
23 more deaths from circulatory causes and 16 more deaths from dementia/Alzheimer's compared to the 5 year average. 15 fewer deaths from cancer and 8 fewer from respiratory causes compared to the 5 year average.
Seemingly some sort of briefing today, what time is it
Back of 2 from parliament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Good to see, but the whole squad should have been there getting vaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I'm guessing it'll go the same way as up here and any debate about extension of furlough or reintroduction of restrictions will have to wait until there's pressure on the UK government.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
Yet. We'll see if that changes in the next few weeks if the expected spike in cases materialises. BTW, nightclubs in NI are still closed and folk thought we had it bad hereQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
As much as this may only apply to the English part of your argument - do we really expect Boris Johnson to warn people that restrictions returning remains a potential possibility?Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Or is her more likely to continue enjoying his slight increase in popularity because people are back in night clubs, and then slap-in restrictions at the last minute.
Nsw premier says it looks like it's impossible to stop delta spreading even with full lockdown. There were 1116 cases in new South Wales yesterday even after months of stay at home lockdown. Perhaps scot gov knows your just pissing in the wind, once it's as widespread as it is now
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThatRyanC...71363669708802
It's amazing how many men in work vans seem unable or unwilling to put a mask on when in a shop.
Daily Scottish update;
6,170 new cases since yesterday - 11.5% positivity rate
Increase of 44 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
Increase of 5 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
4,108,804 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 2,396 people since yesterday
3,691,066 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 10,305 people since yesterday
9 deaths registered since yesterday
How long to get PCR results back? They told me up to 48 hours. Anyone get theirs quicker?
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Two of my pals tested positive on LFT over the last couple of days one got his PCR done yesterday morning and had the result before 8 this morningQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Nicola Sturgeon. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Case growth thankfully dropping quite fast, if it continues cases should fall next week. A record 57,000 tests yesterday but test positivity not changed from last week, so more testing picking up more cases. Starting to look similar to the euros spike
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Originally Posted by silverhibee
i think they maybe just used those four club "Stalwarts" for the sake of a publicity photo shoot, i'm sure at least several more have been vaccinated
more interestingly i'd like to know why we still get a 'page not found' when clicking on that NHS link to the story :confused:
Statement starting now.
Vaccine certification to be used in Scotland for entry to:
▪️nightclubs
▪️indoor live events with 500+ people unseated
▪️outdoor live events with 4000+ people unseated
▪️any event with 10,000+ people
Subject to debate and vote at Holyrood next week
Increase of cases extremely concerning.
Hopeful we can turn the corner without imposing any restrictions.
Next few days are crucial.
13% of cases ended up in hospital pre-vaccine, now it is 2-3%.
Cannot rule out restrictions but do not want to apply them.
Wonder if josh Taylor will need vaccinated to fight at the hydro at the end of the year 😆Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Vaccine certification to commence in a limited number of settings subject to parliament approval.
Nightclubs and adult entertainment venues
Indoor live events with 500+ people unseated
Outdoor live events with 4000+ people unseated
Any event with 10,000+ people
Not deemed appropriate at this stage to introduce certification in other hospitality venues.
QR code to become available.
That's means it's 100%, they can debate it all they want but the SNP and Greens have the numbers so it's a done dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
About time as well. That should help with vaccine numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
It’s also Tory policy in England so it should be a certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Defo guaranteed pickup and also bumping of gums all over social media this week haQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
He won’t be getting it cos he’s tough and hard so he’ll actually just knock the virus out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Is this a digital vaccine certificate you mean? Surely it’s not still just to become available, there should have been a date for this ages ago, and even more so now if they want to start using vaccine certificates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Think Sturgeon said it would be available from/after Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibsGW
A vaccine passport is something that I would usually be deeply opposed to.
In this instance, as a temporary measure, then I support it, albeit somewhat grudgingly.
It's not a normal situation and it calls for more radical measures to tackle it. I'd rather have to carry a letter about or scan/show a QR code when going out than go back to being told to stay in the house.
Ah great, hopefully that’s the case. Wonder if that means they’ll be in use within the next week or two then.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
It's quite a u turn on vaccine passports as only a few weeks ago John Swinney said "Rejecting people who refuse a coronavirus vaccination from certain large events is the wrong approach"
I think he was wrong then but right now.
I think it's imminent.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibsGW
Hopefully it’s just a case of logging into the NHS page and saving a qr code to your phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Think that's what she outlined. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by HibsGW
John Swinney said.... Should have been the clue there.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Quite happy with that on vaccine certificates, makes things safer in the short term and it’ll also push a few more people to get vaccinated. Then when things are better, they can get rid of them.
Can you get into the above events with testing
I get it I really do and it's a tough call but I just don't like the thought of any government shutting you out of part of society until you obey and do with your body what they want you to doQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Down the line it will be if youve not had the flu Jag then your not coming in
It has to be temporary for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
If it starts to lead to increasing levels of intrusiveness with flu jabs and the like being included then I could quickly reverse my tentative support.
I suppose there is an argument the pandemic has seen nothing but incremental intrusions into our lives by the govt and this is just another step but I'm just about willing to trust them, for now.
Glenn Campbell
@GlennBBC
·
30m
Green
@patrickharvie
was arguing against vaccine passports in July:
“Vaccine passports would deepen discrimination against those who have not yet been vaccinated. It would deepen inequality at a time when the country needs collective effort”
Green party
@scottishgreens
source saying #covid certificate proposal from
@scotgov
is a “discussion they’ll need to have
I’d say this is an example of good politics. Being fair on the situation back in July, acknowledging the change in circumstances now (people having had the chance to get vaccinated) and then changing your opinion based on the circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
To be fair, today’s announcement is only for entertainment venues etc, so not really a massive restriction of people’s liberties. It’s not exactly a denial of someone’s human rights to deny them entry to Easter road or Why Not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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I welcome today's announcement although I'd personally like to see it extended to hotels, restaurants and pubs but the proposals will do for now.
I just feel there's a far higher risk of an unvaccinated person doing damage in an indoor venue like a restaurant compared with an outdoor venue like Easter Road.
Both Harvie and Swinney said similar things at the end of July/beginning of August. Looks like the change in circumstances has changed their minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibsGW
So, is it really going to be a case that if you're not double jabbed you can't get in to these events? If so, that is ****ing mental, IMO.
No, what’s mental is all of us being told to stay at home again and closing down our economy because people don’t want to get vaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunbar Hibee
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Tell you what maybe these conspiracy theorists were onto something 😂
Yes that's correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunbar Hibee
I fully support it.
35,693 cases and 207 deaths registered in the UK today.
In normal times most folk would see it as ****ing mental but here we are. It's the least worst option were the fewest number of people will face restrictions through choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunbar Hibee
My worry is the incremental additions to the restrictions that may happen over winter. Every one justified at the time, but a cumulative effect that ends up being permanent and then... boom, we have the ID Card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I hope that, when the legislation is passed, there is provision for it being reviewed frequently for unintended consequences and that it is time-limited.
Talking about vaccines has anyone else had any lingering fatigue after their 2nd dose?
I'm training for a marathon at the moment and pre vaccine I was going well as I increased my mileage. The days after the 2nd dose I struggle big time but that wasn't unexpected. It's a pain in the arse now though as I am tiring noticeably quicker and my recovery takes far longer.
It could well be there is something else at play but it seems a bit of a coincidence it has become a noticeable issue after the 2nd vaccine dose.
My wife has an ID card alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
All biometric info on there etc
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I'd hope that our "back benchers" will have that in hand. :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Suppose. I've pissed about not getting the vaccine yet so only myself to blame I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
Had one on Friday at 12 got result 24 hrs later on the SaturdayQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Is that NZ Government-imposed, or is it voluntary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Wish I shared your optimism :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I've personal experience of that type of review being (sensibly IMO) suggested by the Opposition , only for political horse-trading to have it bumped.
It's UK government imposedQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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But not mandatory, (yet :greengrin) which is the point I was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
If it encourages enough people to get the jab then it's a good temporary measure/lure. The curve seems to be mirroring some predictions from a while back. If we jab enough people in the next couple of months, including teenagers there may not be a winter spike at all, was the shout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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For a kiwi living/working here it's absolutely mandatoryQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Gotcha. :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
That's the German 3g approach which makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
3g = Geimpft (vaccinated), genesen (recovered) and getestet (tested). Any one of them will get you access to events.
Tested should only apply to those who can’t have the vaccine imo. Everyone has had enough time to get vaccinated,if you’ve not had it you can’t do the things the vaccinated can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Is this vaccine passport, going to be the same one to use travelling to a foreign country?
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Is it really such a big deal to get double jabbed? The same sort of restrictions are due to be imposed in England by the end of this month and IMHO it seems a sensible enough move. Personally I'd extend it to more events because I don't get how sitting centimetres away from somebody in a football stadium is safer than standing at, say, an outdoor concert/festival.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunbar Hibee
Of course if public outrage proves huge we'll probably see the plans dropped.