How long until Budge can’t leave the house for months anyway? I’m sure that will be more of a concern to her at this moment in time. At 72, she won’t have a choice.
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How long until Budge can’t leave the house for months anyway? I’m sure that will be more of a concern to her at this moment in time. At 72, she won’t have a choice.
My only concern would be if it was won by a team from the Championship for the second time in five years!Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
Whatever solution they come to will have to stand the test of time. This Coronavirus, or another strain of SARS, is going to come around again, quite probably next year. That is if it goes away in the summer at all. If the football authorities decided to have no relegation this year and we then saw, lets say, three or four further years of SARS that caused the season to be stopped, we could end up with 18 or 20 teams in the top league. Would that be a bad thing? I suppose it depends on your stand on league reorganisation I suppose.
In the midst of a different season with most likely different players or even managers involved (assuming we get next season under way)? Bizarre in the extreme and simply not necessary. This is an uprecedented situation and getting the Scottish Cup finished is really of little consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
I always thought Tynecastle was like a Tardis (or rather a Turdis) in that it was bigger on the inside than the outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
To any external observer it is a 19,000 seat unfinished stadium. To the Jambos inside it 20,000+ and has the finest stand in the history of Scottish football with a view of the castle.
Interesting point.Quote:
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Originally Posted by HibbySpurs
I can already picture the scene in court at the Jambos appeal -
Judge - 'so your team was at the bottom of the league because they were ***** ?'
Budgie - But, but your honour'
Judge - 'and they had indeed been ***** for a whole calendar-year'
Budgie - 'but your honour, we're big and we're also famous AND we have 400,000 supporters !'
Judge - 'and despite being ***** you want this court to believe that because you're big, famous and have 400,000 supporters, you'd somehow have turned things around and won enough points to stay in the SPL had the season been allowed to continue ?'
Budgie - 'yes your worship'
Judge - 'Appeal dismissed with huge amount of scorn and disbelief and an order given that all associated with this midden of a club to immediately undergo pyschiatric-assessment !' !
Probably been mentioned already but...
Banderson saying Hearts will take legal action if the season is finished early and Hearts are relegated.
Curiously enough, there's no quotes from anybody at Hearts.
@gdown:
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Originally Posted by Keith_M
Banderson has probably been ordered to float the idea and guage what the response is.
Legal action may make the Hearts famous. As the whole world will be laughing at them.
I think the associations will ask the govt to cancel the season so as to avoid legal action I think
These days every body considers taking kegal action. The SFPL is made up of members who will get to vote. Rangers, Hearts, Dundee, Brechin City and anyone else who is unhappy will have had opportunities to have alternative solutions floated. The association rules probably prevent taking legal action on votes so long as there was a competent majority.
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There is no chance of it succeeding. The rules state it is up to the spfl board to decide when the season is complete.
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What’s the argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
“But but but...eh...we beat Hibs the other day?”
I think this will happen in the end. A few clubs will be unhappy but possibly only Dundee United will be apoplectic. Given the extreme circumstances, to make amends, the new season could start with teams who lost out, getting bonus points and teams who were lucky to escape relegation, getting minus points. A bit daft but then the situation we are in is crazy and unprecedented. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by 007 Mickey Weir
They don’t need to, rules state that the board can decide on the end of the season. Whether they do or not is another thingQuote:
Originally Posted by 007 Mickey Weir
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There’s no way Hearts would object to league platings being final if they were 2nd bottom. They had the chance to leapfrog St. Mirren, & weren’t good enough. What’s their argument? We will win 4/5 of our last 8 games? Even though they have only won 4/30 and are 4 points adrift. Even then it may not be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
The only possible alteration around the country, is Aston Villa, who currently sit 3rd bottom in a relegation spot, may possibly be allowed to play their outstanding game in hand behind closed doors tp make themselves safe. If your in a relegation spot, it’s because you’ve not been good enough over 30 odd games. End of.
Given who's involved - relegate now!
If this was England and totally unconnected to my and my teams interests, I'd say, 24 points is a lot of points up for grabs, it's nearly 1/4 of a season.
- Cancel the next winter break.
- Make all contracts have to extend to the end of the current playing season.
- Play full cards on Saturday/Wednesday's and **** the European rule of not playing games on Euro nights.
- Start next season late and play
- Show as many games as possible on TV and offer advertising through the roof
At the end of this the UK will be choking for sport.
The teams being relegated in the EPL will be highly compensated without a doubt which a couple will see a bonus considering they look doomed already. Same with teams like Barnsley the league below.
Ha ha ha ha ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by Newry Hibs
Anyone got a pic? I think this is absolutely hilarious
Barry Anderson has about as much grasp of the legal situation as a chimp does when faced with a rubix cube. Getting some delicious bites from jambo acquaintances already. Hope they confirm it soon so we can pass these dark hibsless days by goading the cardigan enthusiasts.
Exactly what will happenQuote:
Originally Posted by 007 Mickey Weir
I dont think the govt has the right to "cancel the season" and I also think they will have many more pressing and important issues than settling arguments in football.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007 Mickey Weir
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Interesting, so relegations and promotions apply?Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
So it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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B. E. A. UtifulQuote:
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Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Has anyone considered the reputation cost to any club bringing legal action against a decision made for the good of the sport and for the good of the general population at a time like this?
If the decision is to finalise the league now due to a health emergency, any club taking legal action purely in their own self interest would be pilloried by society for doing so and make themselves pariahs.
Not so easy to bring litigation at times like these as perhaps people think.
The SPFL is a private company is it not? The government can intervene when it comes to crowd control, etc. but not on results or league standings.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
Keep going I’m close.Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Reasonable source too.Quote:
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The same guy is now saying Hearts won’t be relegated as they will base SFA sing on last season. I don’t understand.
He seems to have gone from passing on information to sharing his opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
That’s his “personal view” and it includes his team killie qualifying for Europe which seems like wishful thinking to say the leastQuote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Seems to conflict with his earlier info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
The same guy is now saying Hearts won’t be relegated as they will base SFA sing on last season. I don’t understand.
Why would the league be making a decision at this stage when they don't need to? Surely they wait and see how the position is in a months time or so,
It would be the righl outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Allows Scottish football five months off to prepare for next season and more importantly in which time very hopefully we're over the worst of covid 19 crisis and back to relative normality.
Who’s Gavin Wallace when he’s at home?
Another punter like all of us who doesn’t have the foggiest about what will happen.
He works for the Beeb & Killie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Who is the SPFL Premier league club without insurance?
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Originally Posted by HibbySpurs
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Legal action would also happen if the season was cancelled.
The situation in Scotland is that even Sevco recognise the title is finished, so while I’m sure they’d prefer 19/20 be cancelled I doubt they’d have the brass neck to complain too loudly if Celtc get given the league.
Is Hearts, saviours of the world in WWI, really going to sue if they are relegated?
Surely there’s many clubs around Europe that could be bumped out of champions league places and money if they just void all the leagues? I’m sure they will lose a lot more £ than poor hearts, the same club that shafted Dundee to stay up after announcing admin after the season ended knowing they couldn’t continue.
Must have been seasons last century that finished way into the summer simply through poor winter weather and no undersoil heating.
Probably still Gavin Wallace.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
Nope. They just played on ice, mud or snow. So long as they could sweep the lines. There were some funny surfaces even in the 60’s when I started attending games but a lot of players paid them price in their knees and other joints as a resultQuote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
Thick fog and deep snow were the only things that stopped a game.
He probably still won’t have a clue about any decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
They need money in to clubs. Can’t do that until decisions are made.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
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The main story on the BBC Scottish football page...the club calling for the season to be declared void can surely only be the yams? Or maybe the huns keen to stop 9 in a row?
Declare all remaining games a draw?
That way if you have a game in hand you have something to show for it?
Jambos deserve to go down. Simple.
I find it funny that a club or its supporters can talk about a potential 24 to play for when they have only managed to earn 23 so far.
That's 23 out of a possible 90 which suggests that they are only likely to get 6 or 7 of the next 24.
If they make a decision now then clubs who have insurance for lost revenue will be able to make a claim, and also any prize money due can be paid out.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
I would hazard a guess that the team without insurance might be Hamilton after what happened there recently when they were conned out of a load of money.
This really is an unprecedented situation. Anyone complaining about unfair decisions and contemplating legal actions based on a situation where there is no right decision needs to take a long hard look at them self.
Ultimately we are all going to be financially impacted. Many people will lose jobs. Many will die.
Does anyone have the stats on points won over the last 18 months? I'm sure when Avril was in charge they had the worst record in a calendar year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
Its certainly not been better since Stendal took over!
If you have been the worst team in Scotland for 18 months and you get relegated how can they complain about that? :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin
Precisely. How self obsessed and small minded would the yams look by dragging this through the courts at a time of global crisis to try and avoid a spell in the Championship? You'd have thought a 'great businesswoman' would be able to see the bigger picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Waiting for the barbers to open and had a quick chuckle at Keeckback.
Plenty of the Dunkirk spirit over there...‘we won’t take this lying down” “we will take them to court-and win!” “We will bring the Scottish football house of cards down”
Absolute roasters.
Wonder what their opinion would be if Hibs we're bottomQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Just relegate them already.
Hearts Twitter aka Twatter is similar. Loads of bleating from clowns like Ewan Murray who could win global awards for most punchable face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
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Originally Posted by matty_f
Oy vey!
A lot of rumours it is Sevco.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
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That would be a shame. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by Hibs4185
And I thought making sacrifices for the greater good was the thing that defines the Famous?
Utter snowflakes.
I’d hazard a guess it may well be Hearts as they’re always trying to save a few easy quid like not doing their stand as a D&B and appointing a main contractor.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Highly possible they’ve been caught with their pants down (again)...
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Just came across this on a Celtic forum. No idea how accurate it is (the guy who originally posted it on Twitter acknowledged it was rough estimates) but if it’s hearts that don’t have insurance, then I’d imagine bums will be twitching!
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Budge has already got her exit worked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
Well they are bottom. If they end the season now its bye bye.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Hearts spending £1.225M a month! :dizzy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
If they are given money given thier overspending it would be wrong imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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To get the SPL league payout the clubs will have to accept their finishing position.Doubt any club can afford not to now.
Of course there is no verifying how accurate the table is but if it's anywhere near correct it is pleasing to see that our club is run well within it's means and the long term stability of the club is the ethos of it's stewards. We on the basis of this will be ok for 6 months although none of us want to see the clubs capital dwindle away due to enforced shut down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
Look at the two clubs who appear to be in the most precarious position, one is a phoenix club from an older liquidated club and the other has only recently endured points deductions for going into administration due to financial mismanagement. It is apparent neither of these clubs have learned a single thing from these experiences and continue to sail close to the wind with no "rainy day money" whatsoever.... Well, unfortunately for them (and the rest of football generally) the heavens have just opened and it's pouring down and is likely to do so for a while yet.
It will be interesting to see what sort of shape these two clubs come out of this current crisis in.
It remains to be seen which clubs actually have Business Interruption Insurance that will respond to this eventuality. Standard policies tend to list the diseases and only those with a good Broker will be likely to have the wider cover that responds to any notifiable disease (which has been declared by the Govt).
I think that is why the clubs want the govt to forbid them from holding fixtures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
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If bums are twitching at Tynecastle there will be diarrhoea sloshing about Ibrox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thief
Two good reasons why Ann Budge would potentially welcome Hearts being relegated by the League this week
1) Hearts get the prize money in, which keeps them afloat til the autumn
2) All those players & coaches with relegation clauses are immediately off the payroll, making the prize money go a lot further, keeping them alive as a club when sport resumes later in the year.
Why would the league give hearts prize money if they have shown their intentions to use it to draw up legal action against the same body? I’m thinking terms and conditions of an early payout will be agreeing to the decision. No agreement by any club, no payout, just in case they have to compensate Dundee Utd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Good second point mind you. I think the players will have to take reduced terms or leave and not be kicked out due to relegation though - who is going to give any of they huddies contracts at this time when everyone is struggling?
I think hearts will agree to a large parachute payment then come out with some **** about not taking legal action in these times trying to get some moral victory.
Probably why they will want the season ended ASAP - to start selling season tickets for next year and ask UEFA for their prize money for Europa league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
If the season is null and void do they get Europa money? Surely can’t get it both waysQuote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
Correct. That’s my theory as to why they have been quiet as anything and hearts are the club that wants the season void.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean04
That’s my query too, how can prize money be awarded for a competition that was effectively cancelled?Quote:
Originally Posted by sean04
Will UEFA not have to reimburse their sponsors and TV deals?Quote:
Originally Posted by sean04
If only they had oneQuote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
They won’t want the Europa league voided. That’s the point of them now signing from the rooftops already.Quote:
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And two likely problems:
1. She forgot to organise insurance (just as she forgot to order the seats)
2. Not all contracts have relegation clauses and she has no idea what the likely liability is.
The media loves to praise Budge’s business acumen, but all the evidence from her time at Hearts is a woman who became very wealthy after good fortune and is now way out of her depth.
I’m not sure the Jambos have much to feel confident about.
She thought Levein was the messiah, he loves himself and was director of football - why on earth in that case would he insist on relegation clauses for all the diddies he signed? “Right Craig, I know we are looking to challenge Celtic this year but in case we come bottom make sure we can release Damour or Uche on half wages please”Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Rangers need to decide between wanting the season voided and nothing is won and no prize money awarded or concede the title to Celtic. A lot of there fans want the season voided to stop 9 in a row but without thinking it thru they could put themselves in a horrible financial situation. Who represents Scotland in Europe next season? If the season is voided then nobody has qualifiedQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
How any regulation is drafted would be relevant. They may apply from the expected end of season not at the point when a relegation spot is certain. This would give the to be emptied manager the certainty of income up to the expected end of the season. We are in unprecedented territory but a clause that is written so can be activated from a certain date, e.g. say a review in May rather than from when regulation applies at an undefined season end date would not help dr budge however much she’d like to wash her hands of expensive staff. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Budge knows:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...-take-21702224
“We’ve already made our feelings known to the spfl in a non-pushy way (although now threatening legal action)”. = we are running to the media now because we aren’t going to get it our way and now putting pressure on the league.
Last paragraph tells you she knows they are toast.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
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Originally Posted by 90+2
Oh wow.
Even with her record, Budge is about to make her biggest mistake so far.
Is she really going to drag the SPFL through the courts on this, holding up a resolution and financial settlement for all the other clubs?
I know she is a fool, but I didn’t know she was this much of a fool.
And:Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
3) Relegation becomes somebody else's fault. We do know how our Gorgie chums love to abdicate responsibility (see Poppy foundation, Hearts Community Trust, Scottish Ambulance Service etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc)
I hope Dundee United are prepared to go to court if they're refused promotion, in that case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
They've been toast since before Budge appointed Desperate Dan, his track record sealed it and their league position is going to see them deservedly relegated.
Every other team in the country is affected by Coronavirus the same way and it's telling who the loudest bleaters are. Shameless and entitled, the good doctor is making sevconians look dignified.
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Totally hypothetical question................
Had Hertz beaten St. Mirren 1-0, instead of losing 1-0, both teams would have been on 26 points with a goal difference of -19, but Hertz would have been above St. Mirren having scored 32 goals to the Saint's 23. I wonder what Ms Budge would have said then.
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Let me guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
Off with St Mirrens heads she cries.
Would never have happened if Craig Levein had been in charge?[emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
It’s the heroic sacrifice made by Hearts that really swells the chest and brings a tear to the eye... a century on from that magnificent gesture, once again Hearts put the country ahead of their own self-interest...
What?! They are bleating about relegation despite being, by any measure, the worst team in the top flight?
Oh. I see.
No need Matty, Promotion and Relegation should be announced in next 48 hours. Clubs already know their individual and collective position. PM (Boris) to announce to public (all agreed with FIFA / UEFA) which takes onus off the respective football associations and Business Interruption Insurance will kick in (for those that have it, saw somebody had been told one club in SPL does not have it surely no).Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
The governments everywhere have more on their plate to worry about than who gets relegated from the SPL!!!
This Virus is massive and we are in unprecedented territory, millions will die and EVERYONE's life will change, at least temporarily. Budge/Hertz will not be taking any legal action expect confirmation on league positions within 48 hours.