Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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When I first had the idea for the site it was always with League reconstruction in mind, however when the Rangers story broke I put it on the back burner.

Now with it being discussed I have done some work on the idea and have attached a sneak preview based on my idea's.

Folow link to first draft: http://cl.ly/2k1q1X1B272V3U3S2l3M

The intention was to invite feedback and look to how we could structure questions relating to it as a survey, this is a a first draft.

Basically I have based it on finishing positions in Scottish leagues last season.

The idea is a 30 match league season preceded by the opening stages of the League cup in a group format similar to the old days.

However on this occasion seed teams into 8 pots based on their finish in league the previous season and the top seeds are drawn with one in each group.

Second & subsequent seeds are then placed into groups on a regional basis to create interest through derby matches which in turn will hopefully lead to increased media & sponsorship interest with hopefully bigger gates.

Doing this creates a 40 game season then knockout stages & Scottish cup ties on top.

We are looking for feedback positive or negative with suggestions on how to structure it as a survey.

Feel free to email us or post in here.

email: [email protected]

Bill & Mark

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Originally Posted by Mainboy19

SPL clubs are worried that Sky will cancel their five-year TV deal worth £80m if the top flight went without a Rangers team for more than a season. (Sunday Times)

Good :aok:

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Great news indeed. :agree:

The game has some hope yet.

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Originally Posted by Twa Cairpets

The fans are here today gone tomorrow? WTF? Beyond contempt.

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What should it be about then Craig? People that have never put a penny into Scottish football in their lives, like you. C*ck!

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Originally Posted by Seveno

The increasing alacrity with which some people either cry that they are finished with football or demand the resignation of our Chairman is staggering beyond belief. Even more so when the statements are based on reports in a media that is regularly condemned even more vehemently.

Can we just change the name of this website to kneejerk.com ?

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I agree about people jumping the gun about Petrie. He might well hold a position of power but let's wait until there's actual proof he had a hand in the propaganda piece.

If the media aren't pro-rangers they still like looking for sensational headlines and interesting twists...which sometimes come from nothing more than an educated punt!

Let's wait and see.

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Originally Posted by grunt

Warning: this is from the Daily Record. Don't read it if you're squeamish or hungover.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23903059/

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What an absolute prick of a man:grr: These people just don't get it! They just can't see past the ££££ and their love for the OF

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Originally Posted by peterdouglas

I agree about people jumping the gun about Petrie. He might well hold a position of power but let's wait until there's actual proof he had a hand in the propaganda piece.

If the media aren't pro-rangers they still like looking for sensational headlines and interesting twists...which sometimes come from nothing more than an educated punt!

Let's wait and see.

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The document exists, somebody or some group of people compiled it. Any of the people refusing tae deny their involvement in it can surely expect such allegations. It would be very easy for Petrie or anybody else tae put a stop tae any allegations in their direction by coming out denying their involvement and by speaking out against it. The fact that neither Petrie nor anybody else who has been fingered has done so can only lead tae increased suspicion and further allegation of their involvement.

So far the public statements all indicate a desire to stamp on Sevco 5088 sneaking into Division One rather than stand on it.

:top marks for those clubs.

Electronic Tims ‏@ETimsNet
SoS A Smith names @StewartRegan Rod Petrie of HIbs, Neil Doncaster & David Longmuir as men behind "threats" to SFL clubs & inc of Newco.

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Originally Posted by BOVRIL

I've solved the problem.

Send both Newco and Celtic to the 3rd division .... the SKY deal is for SPL matches and 4 SFL matches a season .. bobs yer uncle

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:)))

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Originally Posted by Pitlochry hibee

Add Falkirk to the list, and they need 22 SFL clubs to approve their application.

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Looks like that might not be the case, as was pointed out by Andrew Smith in today's SoS:

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Clearly, the powerbrokers have misjudged the public mood again. There is every chance that the raft of proposals, which include play-offs to the SPL, £1 million being filtered through the three tiers of the SFL, merger of the two league bodies and a pyramid system below the senior set-up, oh and Green’s Rangers starting off life just outside Scottish football’s highest level, won’t garner the necessary support. Even when the threshold figure for forcing through this “special case” scenario seems to have dropped from 23 clubs out of 30, to 16 clubs.

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http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...sage-1-2386605

Incredible, if this is the case.

I still don't see many wanting to let them in. I hope they get booted down. They've been punished and now they're starting over

I'm not in favour of adding another six clubs to the existing forty one, plus the vacancy created by the demise of the Huns which will be filled by Sevco 5088.

The simplest solution would be to have two leagues of twenty, two up/two down automatically and a play off between third bottom and third/fourth/fifth in Division Two. There would then be a regional structure below this, and two of the Third Division Clubs would have to be relegated to the regional leagues at the start.

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Originally Posted by Mainboy19

Electronic Tims ‏@ETimsNet
SoS A Smith names @StewartRegan Rod Petrie of HIbs, Neil Doncaster & David Longmuir as men behind "threats" to SFL clubs & inc of Newco.

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Im in two minds here.

Either, this is true. Or, the media has a long history of having no love for Rod for various reasons, our lack of leaks to the press, playing hard ball with the Old Firm and presumably more recently for being the first Chairman to start making statements against a newco... Could they be trying to blacken his name? It's a possibility.

Of course his position at the SFA suggests he has to of at least seen this document before it went out, but again that could mean anything from he wrote it while twirling his moustache to him refusing to even proof read it.


A statement from the man himself is required.

I can understand why some SPL clubs want to go down the route of maintaining the TV money and Div 1 will help that happen. Am guessing Dundee Utd, Kilmarnock and possibly one or two others could well follow into administration (possible liquidation) if they were to lose out on the income from TV. Should these clubs suffer from Rangers wrong doing, possibly not although how will we learn the lessons to fund our football without the same huge reliance on TV companies who do not have the interest of fans at heart.

What I struggle with is how can any governing body have any input to this proposal when there is an outstanding investigation into possible Rangers wrong doing. If they are found guilty but then created this situation where Rangers go into Div 1 then there is very limited scope for punishment as they are not then going to suspend them or demote them. Does this mean that the authorities are now not really going to follow through on their investigation and it becomes a whitewash - if that's the case I would imagine there must be scope for some sort of class action by fans to take individuals to task.

Beginning to believe the SFL clubs can save Scottish football. Hopefully they'll maintain their stance and vote no to newco in division 1 (would be even better if they also voted no to newco in div 3 too, but I'll settle for them starting there). Also hope that the threatened breakaway SPL2 falls flat on its face, as the revolution would hopefully see the resignation of Doncaster and Longmuir (possibly Regan too, not sure what his perceived silence actually tells us, and I've seen a few comments on here that he's not all that bad, so giving him the benefit ot the doubt for now). Petrie is an entirely different matter, and obviously from a Hibs point of view, a separate matter as to what he resigns from. But again, his silence asks more questions than gives answers.
If the SFL clubs can help us bring some integrity back to the game, I'm more than happy to head along to some SFL games to show my support. They deserve the extra cash, but not through backhanded deals of tv money or whatever else the SPL is trying to sell to them.

My own views are largely correlated with what you have provided there. However IMO Scottish football doesn't have the depth for 48 league teams.

My view is that there should be two leagues of 16, two up and two down with playoffs for third spot as you have said. That would provide 3 spaces per year in Division two to be filled from the regional leagues. I think there should be three regions, Highland, West and East. The top teams in each region per season would be promoted to Division Two. Relegated teams would go down to their region based on location.

Under this scenario the League Cup would take on the Champions League format of 32 teams split into 8 groups. Teams would be seeded based on league pos and play twice, which would only add six games to the 30 league games minimum. Gate receipts would be equally shared amongst all group members. Therefore domestically, if the Scottish Cup follows the same format, a top division side would only have to play a maximum of 46 games if they reached the final of both competitions (Replays could add to this). At the moment a maximum of 48 games (minus replays again) is possible so not much variance.

I understand that in my previous post there would need to be 10 teams removed from the current league setup. This would probably be the least popular thing I suggested and could be compromised with an inbetween league of some sort. Open to suggestions on that front though!!

There are lots of possibilities to restructure the leagues in a way that will make scottish football unique and fresh and potentially exciting again for fans. This proposal is one that I like and have posted about doing something similar before while aligning it with a move to summer football but at the moment my personal favourite, while remaining in a winter season is something like this:

Leagues of 16, Play a round of 30 matches 1 home and 1 away.
League is split into groups of 4 based on league positions (1st to 4th, 5th to 8th, 9th to 12th and 13th to 16th) and points from previous round wiped. Mini leagues would start with the highest placed team on 3 points, 2nd on 2, 3rd on 1 and 4th on 0 and another round of 6 matches 1 home and 1 away played in each mini league giving a full 36 game season with an even number of home and away matches for each team and a few weeks in winter for a mid-season break.

at the end of the season the positions in the leagues determine who wins what:

1st - champions & CL place
2nd - CL Place
3rd - Europa League
4th - Europa League Playoff v 5th (winner of two legged match gets the europa place)

5th - Europa League Playoff v 4th (winner of two legged match gets the europa place)
6th - n/a
7th - n/a
8th - n/a

9th - n/a
10th - n/a
11th - n/a
12th - Relegation playoff v 14th (loser enters play-off tournament with 1st division sides)

13th - stay in SPL
14th - Relegation playoff v 12th (loser enters play-off tournament with 1st division sides)
15th - Auto relegated
16th - Auto relegated

1st division would be the same structure but top 2 earn promotion, 3rd 4th and 5th enter play-off tournament

4 teams in play-off tournament play each other once at neutral venues over 1 week with winners getting place in the SPL.

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Originally Posted by grunt

Warning: this is from the Daily Record. Don't read it if you're squeamish or hungover.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23903059/

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This is a cracking line...

"It must not be about satisfying the wishes of too many fans who are here today and gone tomorrow."

The ONLY constant IS the fans, all of whom have been ignored for far too long. Burley is just another cheating apologist who has no concept of the crimes that the Huns have committed - only MONEY MONEY MONEY. You really have to wonder about the MORALS of Burley and his like.

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Im in two minds here.

Either, this is true. Or, the media has a long history of having no love for Rod for various reasons, our lack of leaks to the press, playing hard ball with the Old Firm and presumably more recently for being the first Chairman to start making statements against a newco... Could they be trying to blacken his name? It's a possibility.

Of course his position at the SFA suggests he has to of at least seen this document before it went out, but again that could mean anything from he wrote it while twirling his moustache to him refusing to even proof read it.


A statement from the man himself is required.

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I don't doubt that Petrie saw the SFL document before it went out, and before he made his latest statement on the Hibs website. Which makes his choice of words in that statement all the more worrying - suggesting that it was all in the hands of some other people and nothing to do with Hibs or him any more. That's just patently not true (a lie in other words). He has a lot of explaining to do, and might have to fall on his sword if he is a driver behind the SFL doc.

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Originally Posted by MyJo

There are lots of possibilities to restructure the leagues in a way that will make scottish football unique and fresh and potentially exciting again for fans. This proposal is one that I like and have posted about doing something similar before while aligning it with a move to summer football but at the moment my personal favourite, while remaining in a winter season is something like this:

Leagues of 16, Play a round of 30 matches 1 home and 1 away.
League is split into groups of 4 based on league positions (1st to 4th, 5th to 8th, 9th to 12th and 13th to 16th) and points from previous round wiped. Mini leagues would start with the highest placed team on 3 points, 2nd on 2, 3rd on 1 and 4th on 0 and another round of 6 matches 1 home and 1 away played in each mini league giving a full 36 game season with an even number of home and away matches for each team and a few weeks in winter for a mid-season break.

at the end of the season the positions in the leagues determine who wins what:

1st - champions & CL place
2nd - CL Place
3rd - Europa League
4th - Europa League Playoff v 5th (winner of two legged match gets the europa place)

5th - Europa League Playoff v 4th (winner of two legged match gets the europa place)
6th - n/a
7th - n/a
8th - n/a

9th - n/a
10th - n/a
11th - n/a
12th - Relegation playoff v 14th (loser enters play-off tournament with 1st division sides)

13th - stay in SPL
14th - Relegation playoff v 12th (loser enters play-off tournament with 1st division sides)
15th - Auto relegated
16th - Auto relegated

1st division would be the same structure but top 2 earn promotion, 3rd 4th and 5th enter play-off tournament

4 teams in play-off tournament play each other once at neutral venues over 1 week with winners getting place in the SPL.

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I'm a fan of the 16 size league but surely competition in the middle 1/3rd of the season could be hampered if point gaps begin to develop. If a team gets too far behind the 'mini league' in front then there is less incentive to pick up points as they are all but wiped at the 30 game stage. There is also the issue of the team finishing 13th staying in SPL and team that finishes 12th having a Relegation Playoff. I understand this is to keep excitement for teams 9th to 12th but there surely has to be more incentive to finish 12th rather than 13th?

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

The document exists, somebody or some group of people compiled it. Any of the people refusing tae deny their involvement in it can surely expect such allegations. It would be very easy for Petrie or anybody else tae put a stop tae any allegations in their direction by coming out denying their involvement and by speaking out against it. The fact that neither Petrie nor anybody else who has been fingered has done so can only lead tae increased suspicion and further allegation of their involvement.

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It is a complex world and sometimes things are just not quite that easy. However, I see that you believe in the concept of guilty unless proved innocent.

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Originally Posted by grunt

Warning: this is from the Daily Record. Don't read it if you're squeamish or hungover.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23903059/

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Burley is a thicko, and this article inforces that....He just does not get it at all.....Rangers are no more, and have to apply for status....The paragraph about the fans is laughable and stupid....Prize plum Burley.....

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Originally Posted by Onion

I don't doubt that Petrie saw the SFL document before it went out, and before he made his latest statement on the Hibs website. Which makes his choice of words in that statement all the more worrying - suggesting that it was all in the hands of some other people and nothing to do with Hibs or him any more. That's just patently not true (a lie in other words). He has a lot of explaining to do, and might have to fall on his sword if he is a driver behind the SFL doc.

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He said that it was now up to the SFL clubs to decide. Where is the lie in that ?

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Originally Posted by Seveno

It is a complex world and sometimes things are just not quite that easy. However, I see that you believe in the concept of guilty unless proved innocent.

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I believe that people who have nothing tae hide should have nae fear of speaking out.

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Originally Posted by Seveno

He said that it was now up to the SFL clubs to decide. Where is the lie in that ?

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Is that up tae the SFL clubs tae decide of their ain own volition or is it up tae the SFL clubs tae decide with bribes and threats in a document put before them? (by somebody or some group)

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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn

Burley is a thicko, and this article inforces that....He just does not get it at all.....Rangers are no more, and have to apply for status....The paragraph about the fans is laughable and stupid....Prize plum Burley.....

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What a prize plum indeed, I honestly can't believe some of the comments in that article. He slates a couple of players that have left and goes on to slate the spl chairmen and fans aswell.

Idiot of the highest order.

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Originally Posted by SMAXXA

What a prize plum indeed, I honestly can't believe some of the comments in that article. He slates a couple of players that have left and goes on to slate the spl chairmen and fans aswell.

Idiot of the highest order.

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He is a dick, cant wait to slag everything about Scottish football when commentating, as if he was some superstar when he played?

He was another greedy twat too, when taking the Dundee money way back when they were throwing it about like confetti.

I agree, he's not got the ability to write something like this, even when its that poor.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/317152558377256/

Over 300 members in the first day - all welcome :-)

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

He is a dick, cant wait to slag everything about Scottish football when commentating, as if he was some superstar when he played?

He was another greedy twat too, when taking the Dundee money way back when they were throwing it about like confetti.

I agree, he's not got the ability to write something like this, even when its that poor.

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His judgement wasnt great when he went to dundee either iirc he played one game against hibs got sent of in the first half then got made redundent on the monday morning the man is a tit who doesnt have a clue whats going on

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Originally Posted by Parfect

http://www.facebook.com/groups/317152558377256/

Over 300 members in the first day - all welcome :-)

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afraid I dinnae use facebook but keep up the good work whatever it is :thumbsup: