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That's totally out of order.. no way is it government related info?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Edit: happy for crunchie etc to put their point forward on why this is a good way of spending our money during this particular financial crisis this way rather than adding it into the pot for those on benefits/using food banks
They do it all the time. They are sitting on about two years worth of polling on Scottish independence and have lost court cases trying to keep it hidden yet it is still not available. The rules don’t apply to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
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Tories voted out down under Australia election: conservative government voted out after nearly a decade (msn.com)
now get them to **** out of Westminster...and Holyrood after independence :)
horrible people :agree:
If they are booted out of Westminster then that means a Labour government, surely that's not great for the SNP? How would that bring independence closer? The Tory's and the SNP are like the old firm, they both feed off each other. Would surely be harder for the SNP attack lines to work on a left of center progressive Labour government than this particular right wing Tory one. (Not that it seem to have made any difference to the polling for Independence)Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
SNP came to power in Scotland under a Labour govt in London.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Too many people put too much emphasise on the Tories or Johnson being what drives support for Indy. It’s a crap system that favours the the south of England above all else that drives support for Indy. That won’t change no matter who is in power in London.
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
The outgoing government was a coalition!!!!
Huh! In your dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
The next, if there ever is one, left of center progressive Labour government it will be too late.
Scotland will be a thriving, established independent county for a long time by then.
When do you think the next referendum will be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Why should I know any better than anyone else?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
The referendum will be so close that I would presume that if a labour Westminster government came in before it, then it would be a no vote.
Me not wanting that doesn't change the reality of another tory win helps independence.
It's undecideds that is the game 40% either way won't budge. Alot of labour voters to be won and many would want to give a labour Westminster a chance, thinking they are daft doesn't change the fact
it's widespread in the vile Tory party i'm not sure if this is a new one or not :rolleyes: Top Tory MP faces drink spiking claims as victim 'woke up to find nipples being licked' - Mirror Online
A senior Tory MP is caught up in allegations swirling around Westminster that he plied four victims with date-rape drugs.
It is claimed the man used the substance on a fellow Conservative MP, who awoke to find his nipples being licked.
It is also said a Labour MP was abused after the man administered the drug to him – while the flatmate of another Tory MP claimed to friends he had a similar experience.
A fourth man also claimed he had rebuffed his advances, and had suspicions his drink was spiked.
A source said: “The name of this alleged attacker is being spoken about openly among Conservative MPs.
It depends on the type of Labour government.
If it’s the type of centre right Labour government that England might actually vote in then that should be a gift to the SNP.
If it was a “proper” Labour government (that would very much be up against ever being voted in) then that would be a different story.
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-23/...uring-lockdown
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Prime Minister Boris Johnson pictured drinking at Downing Street party during lockdown
Needs to be resignations in the MET as well as government.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
There might be, but none of the resignations will be Boris Johnson's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
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I’m struggling to keep up with all his different positions on this?
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He’s got more positions than the Kuma Satra so he hasQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Imran Ahmad Khan: Ex-MP jailed for sex assault on teenage boy - BBC News
don't enjoy yer stay too much Tory ***t
A former Conservative MP has been jailed for 18 months following his conviction for sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy.
At a trial last month, Imran Ahmad Khan, 48, who was elected as Wakefield MP in 2019, was found guilty of groping the boy at a party in 2008.
Khan was expelled by the Conservative party following his conviction and later stood down as an MP.
The judge said he did not accept Khan had "any remorse" for what he had done.
How do you u turn, on a u turn which you said you never made?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Poor wee laddie just can't help tying himself in knots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If I was one of the staff who's been fined for attending this particular party I think I'd be sticking in an appeal!Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Flip flop RossQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It really doesn’t get any clearer than that. In normal times it’s a straight resigning issue for breaching the ministerial code and lying in the HoC.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Except we don’t have any procedure to get rid of him. There is no written constitution. The system is built on customs and has no way of dealing with a party who has a majority deciding to ignore those customs. He can do as he likes now.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Dougie showing his strong jellyfish leadership qualities :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Above that, we do have a rule of law which is supposed to hold them to account. But the gatekeepers of that law are the Metropolitan police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think that's who took and published the picture 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Johnson is showing just how farcical and unchecked our governmental system is and it is ****ing amazing.
Teflon Johnson...it's sickening what the Tory party has done to politics in the UK
Partygate: Insiders tell of packed No 10 lockdown parties - BBC News
Insiders who attended events at Downing Street during lockdown have told the BBC how staff crowded together, sat on each other's laps and how party debris was left out overnight.
For the first time, insiders who were at some of the events have told BBC Panorama in detail what they saw.
They describe arriving for work the morning after a get-together to find bottles lying around parts of the building, bins overflowing with rubbish and empties left on the table.
They also tell of events with dozens of staff crowded together, and parties going so late that, on occasion, some ended up staying in Downing Street all night.
And they say staff mocked others who tried to stop what was going on.
The cleaning staff should all be sacked, clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
They are waiting for the flight to Rwanda!Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Why was it ok to have a send off for someone changing jobs, but not for someone who died.
Answers to the PM, on a large postcard.
Led by donkeys
https://youtu.be/y9g_DiHL1cM
Has the BBC finally woken up?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61566410
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For the first time, insiders who were at some of the events have told BBC Panorama in detail what they saw. They describe arriving for work the morning after a get-together to find bottles lying around parts of the building, bins overflowing with rubbish and empties left on the table. They also tell of events with dozens of staff crowded together, and parties going so late that, on occasion, some ended up staying in Downing Street all night.
Boris Johnson enters another period of difficulty after being found out yet again to have clearly been lying to Westminster and us, the British public, what's his greatest achievement been that should mean "we" keep him in a job?......
Ha! Beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
None, he should never have been elected as PM and has been awful. He should resign and that would be his greatest achievement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
I like you're thinking... we agree! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by James310
However, of the things he's done... anything in particular?
This, from Rachel Clarke, is something to think about.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e_iOSApp_Other
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They were partying, to be clear, on the day Britain’s Covid death toll topped 52,800. Another 438 deaths added to the tally just hours before the revelry started. With the country yet again in lockdown, Covid felt old, so grim, and so much harder this time round. Still, you gritted your teeth and did what you must. Because, honestly, who in their right mind would want to risk infecting and killing others?
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As Boris raised his glass and chortled, more than 60,000 of us still lived, still breathed, who, three months later, would be dead.
The only thing I can think of was the vaccine rollout and the military support for Ukraine. But he is unfit to be PM and he should still resign.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Nah, BBC Panorama has always been a bit off script.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
That and Have I Got News For You are about the only programs on the BBC that get close to the truth - or at least not lying.
I think he is close to going.
He won’t resign but the pictures, the Sue Gray report, panorama and people coming out telling stories as they feel thrown under the bus.
He must be close to the edge now?
Next 24-48 hours crucial.
So far, 15 mins in, it's mostly Kuenssberg gushing about Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Now Duncan Smith comparing Johnson to Muhammad Ali. FFS.
Laura Kuensberg trying so so hard to give balance to the lying, corrupt, disgrace of a human being Johnson.
Ros Atkins would have done that whole programme in 7 or 8 minutes, losing nothing but the other 52 or 53 of the smitten schoolgirl wittering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Influential Tory MP shares NHS poster after Boris Johnson partygate photos emerge (msn.com)
It comes after Baker previously called for Johnson to quit over the events of partygate in April by telling the Commons: “The prime minister now should be long gone. Really, the prime minister should just know the gig’s up.”
Baker, who is deputy leader of the Tories’ Covid Recovery Group, said he found that he could not “forgive” Mr Johnson for “not obeying the letter and spirit” of the law.
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oh look, another distraction from partygate
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Wouldn’t be surprised if we end up sending troops in to Ukraine just to buy the man another 5 minutes in office
Just shows how vicious the internal fighting over the leadership is amongst Conservatives. Rory Stewart has talked about how Gove, Sunak and others simply turned on him when it seemed he had a chance of beating Johnson. Think it was George Osbourne (not known for his sagacity) who said recently that as nobody really wants to go for the leadership so Boris is safe. Took a stalking horse to get Thatcher out. This will be others clearing the fieldQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-boris-johnson
John Crace on Grant Shapps, ‘the finest mind of this generation of half-wits’.
Both things you mention are about it. Both involve the liberal spending or our dosh. They are bereft of positive ideas or a plan to take the UK forward. Everything is reactive. Under Thatcher, who had a plan, the complaints came in the shape of asking for more jobs. Now the plea for more benefits is repeated day-to-day without any questioning as to why it has to be this way. They came to power on lie and therefore can only ever be lying, their yearning to go back to the days of brexit division is palpable. So they bring it up with fictional new battles to fight as they thrive on the emotive rather than the practical.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
40 new hospitals? A Nuclear power plant every year? This lot would toil to make them out of lego.
Meanwhile the siphoning of cash towards the rich churns away in the background.
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Tories are not liars, they just don't cooperate with the metropolitan police by not responding to the questionnaire!!!
A source at the @metpoliceuk says the reason why junior Downing Street staff got fined, while senior figures didn't is that the senior people failed to answer the questionnaire.
So non-cooperation gets you off.
I'll remember that next time I'm arrested for protesting.
Pretty much a wet blanket of a report. Very weak conclusions IMO. Not going to bring Johnson down.
Pretty photos though.
https://assets.publishing.service.go...GATHERINGS.pdf
Edit to add.. While I think the conclusions are politically worded and weak, some of the detail about individual "works events" will be potentially damaging. People leaving at 4:20am following parties ....
It’s a total and utter cop out…and it’s been edited following the event as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Finding number 2
Johnson in Parliament - "all guidance was followed".Quote:
Whatever the initial intent, what took place at many of these gatherings and the way in which they developed was not in line with Covid guidance at the time. Even allowing for the extraordinary pressures officials and advisers were under, the factual findings of this report illustrate some attitudes and behaviours inconsistent with that guidance. It is also clear, from the outcome of the police investigation, that a large number of individuals (83) who attended these events breached Covid regulations and therefore Covid guidance.
There is nothing wrong with the report. There is enough info in there for multiple people to lose their jobs in a normal situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by stokesmessiah
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He's ****ing delusional. They're just taking the piss. They're laughing at us.
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It must have been very difficult for Bozo, telling folk what they should and shouldn't do live on TV then going off doing what the **** he and his chums fancy straight after.
It's almost as if they are somehow entitled.
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Hideous, vile performance from Johnson at PMQs today.
Just another Wednesday thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
the UK is no more a democracy than Hungary or Egypt or any of these countries who have lost track of what the rule of law means. Utterly shameful. We should be out in the streets. But then again, even thats illegal if excessive noise is used while doing it.
The right blend of contempt and arrogance that they're taught at Eton and a bit of jingoistic nationalism thrown in will see them through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Actual opposition might help as well in the long run but Bozo is in touching distance of the jubilee so a decent fanfare from the media on this should see the masses " move on" from folk dying while him and his chums partied.
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Boris really has to resign. If not It's a disgrace.
Boris is genuinely a danger to democracy in this country.
No moral compass, never resigns is only every sacked, it's really down to the UK equivalent of the oligarchs who pull the strings to decide if he's going to cost them the next election or not and pull the trigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
I suspect that, looking at the ministers around him,, he will be staying.
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He'll stay on for the next wee while, allow him to soak up all the negatively around partygate and the cost of living crisis caused by Brexit, Tory MPs will then vote in a new leader, probably Sunak, about 3 months before a general election and sell it as moving on from Boris ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
They have no moral compass whatsoever. Any idiot can see Boris should not be leading the country but Tory MPs would rather pickup their paycheck than do what's right and proper for their constituents.
Expect a diversionary story very soon, maybe even tomorrow. Energy prices relief or similar of that ilk.
If theres any cash left, target it at the traditional nasty party base plus any red wallers who still think Bozo and the gang will chase all the "foreigners" away whilst simultaneously saving £350m a week from the EU to give directly to the NHS.Quote:
Originally Posted by stu in nottingham
That'll help them limp on for a few more months but the country will need to either ramp up its production of union Jack's dramatically or import more from China to keep the momentum going.
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Office of PM and the democratic system in this country is broken and Johnson just so happens to be the first one who has decided to test it.
It's a losing game trying to fix democracy in the UK.
One minute he's saying he's humbled and sorry for everything, the next he's calling the LOTO "Sir Beer Korma" and calling for him to resign.
Utterly pathetic.
With the references to parties taking place whilst the press conferences were going on, I wonder if Whitty and Vallance saw anything and, if so, did they turn a blind eye?
Sky News Politics on Twitter: "'Did you lie at the despatch box, prime minister?' Our deputy political editor @SamCoatesSky has been outside Downing Street asking the prime minister and his cabinet about partygate https://t.co/Wx6yts2ZIX" / Twitter
sky news
'did you lie at the despatch box, prime minister?'
The man is a complete erse and should be nowhere near that job. Attachment 25870Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Good Law Project ain't giving up, i give them a donation every few months
The Metropolitan Police investigated the various gatherings - we use a neutral expression - around 10 Downing Street during the pandemic lockdown by sending questionnaires to suspected attendees.
Our interest is in three such gatherings:
- On 13 November 2020, a gathering in No. 10 on the departure of a special adviser (understood to be the former Downing Street Director of Communications)
- On 17 December 2020, a gathering in the Cabinet Office on the departure of a senior Cabinet Office official (understood to be a defence advisor)
- On 14 January 2021, a gathering at No. 10 on the departure of two No. 10 private secretaries.
Together, these are known as the “Three Gatherings”.
It is reported that the Prime Minister did not receive questionnaires in respect of the Three Gatherings despite evidence that he attended them. Other attendees did receive questionnaires. We do not understand the decision to investigate some attendees but not the Prime Minister.
Attendees at the Three Gatherings who received questionnaires were fined for attending them. We do not understand the decision to fine some attendees but not the Prime Minister. As we understand the law, if a gathering was prohibited it follows that all who participated in it committed an offence.
We can see no basis for holding junior civil servants to a higher standard than the Prime Minister. And that is why we - former senior police officer Lord Brian Paddick and Good Law Project - have taken the first formal step in further judicial review proceedings against the Metropolitan Police.
We invite the Met to confirm it will rectify its failures to investigate the Prime Minister’s participation in the Three Gatherings, or provide us with its reasons so we can assess the lawfulness of its refusal. Unless it does, and we have given it 14 days to comply, we will begin further judicial review proceedings.
Lord Paddick: “If the Met is to avoid further deterioration in public trust and confidence, they must explain why they failed to even question the Prime Minister about his attendance at these events. We are simply asking the Met to either explain or investigate further, and if necessary we will ask the Courts to force the Met to do so.”
It was only after Good Law Project began judicial review proceedings in January that the Met agreed to investigate at all. And we will not hesitate to commence further proceedings to ensure it investigates them properly.
For the rule of law to operate it must operate fairly, without favour to the powerful. We will do what we can to ensure it does.
Thank you,
Jo Maugham - Good Law Project
2022.05.25 - [redacted] - Pre-Action Protocol letter.pdf - Google Drive
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i bet that drew a few laughs from the shower of utter ****e around him, he's a funny guy dontcha know
Resigning isn't enough IMO. But I can't articulate what I'd like to see happen to him and the ****s that surround him, or I'd be arrested.
Hi George! :wink::greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Correct. As with other public servants who do so... they should be charged with misconduct in a public office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
I have never understood why it doesn't seem to extend to MPs.
They're criminals the lot of them
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I only copied his tweet :agree:
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Why is he so desperate to stay in the job? Its not as if he needs the money.
Could it be he's been compromised?
I don't know about that. There's been rumours of him being broke, particularly around the time about using the donations to do up his flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
Edit: Your general point still stands though as he could probably earn more (legitimately) being out of office.
He's a very dangerous mix of unprincipled and thick as mince. He's surrounded by a cabinet of people in the same boat and there's every chance that he's gotten himself into a lot of trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by overdrive
The most savvy thing he's ever done is convince people he's thick as mince.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Oh how we laughed when he appeared on have I got news...
He's just a nasty two faced ******* with utter disregard for everyone and he knows he can get away with it.
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I think he's convinced people that it's quite an innocent ignorance. People forget the conspiring to have a journalist's ribs broken, the "tank topped bum boys" and the "letterboxes" and remember the gaffes of him dangling from the zip wire and the like.Quote:
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Another change of position from Ross. That’s two in one afternoon. I’m beginning to think he not quite right?
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We talking Murray or Douglas here? Either way more faces than a town hall clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
To think that Bozo's tenure is somehow relevant to events in Ukraine is truly bizarre.
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
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Exactly. Shipping ar.ms abroad has nothing to do with him personally. Any PM could do exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
It's the same ploy as the "getting on with the Govts vaccine roll-out". It was the NHS rolled out the vaccine. All they did was spend our money on it
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Ross Murray was one of my favourite ex Linesman, will we ever see his like again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
A true scotchman.
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The Tories go on and on about changing leader will take months and leave the UK in turmoil during these difficult times... that's ONLY if the Tories put up multiple leadership candidates, they could easily put someone up as interim leader and it's an almost overnight process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I suppose it all depends on if they want to put their party or the country first?
Marr: Johnson singularly terrible:
https://youtu.be/C7bdgxpprVU
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Amusingly, Douglas Ross has somehow managed to end the day with even less credibility than Johnson.
England is not ready for a brown skinned PM and those who are are unlikely to vote Tory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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If he won’t do the decent thing and resign, he needs to be removed. Interpret that however you wish.
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Aaaaand there it is:
Energy bill support of £10bn set to be unveiled
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61584546