And the rest. Their losses have usually been up towards £8 and £9m (don't have the exact figures to hand).
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You can just imagine how that conversation would go....
Investor: "I would be very interested in purchasing your company."
Vlad: "Well have I got the deal of a life time for you! For just a measly 8 million pounds, you will inherit a whopping 22 million pounds worth of debt and you'll not need to worry about taking care of any of the assets as I'll still have 100% ownership over them."
Investor: "I beg your pardon..."
Vlad: "£22,000,000 worth of debt, for just £8,000,000!"
Investor: *jumps out window*
And there was me getting a little disappointed as things had gone quiet on this thread..........
Yeah, but when they pull the plug on the Pink Palace they will be able to claim that it was only done after all other options had failed.
" We tried to sell the Club as a going concern but nobody came up with an acceptable offer. "
" We tried to negotiate a settlement with HMRC but they would'nt accept the loose change in Vlads pocket "
Unfortunately the only other option is liquidation. Will the secured creditors please step forward first . :greengrin
Quote of the day from brokeback:
"VR will write of the debt.
After all, it's his."
Yes you read it right, apparently hearts were debt free before vlad arrived. Thats why they were planning to sell their stadium they have played at for over 100 years and also why they felt the need to sell the club to a russian maniac who nobody had ever heard of and had already been kb'd from several scottish clubs. Apparently all big teams do the same.....
:ostrich:
It's fine. Andy "in the know" Webster is confident that enough Hearts fans will succumb to the latest round of Confidence Trickster 101 blackmail emanating from HoMFC and "Family funday" their way out of trouble.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...urvive-1458819
I must confess - although it is all most probably too little too late, and I have no sympathy whatsoever for the mugs - a horrid fascination watching the various well intentioned bake sales/pub quizzes etc being put together by The Peoples Front of Gorgie/The Gorgie People's Front. Great participation and genorosity from the Hearts fans on an individual scale, but the sums being raised just aren't adding up, even if looked at cumulatively. The following numbers are almost certainly wrong but I mean, what is it, £2 million to survive until the end of the season less £600k (?) from this paper printing excercise that HoMFC have the gall to call a share issue = 1.4 million.
Let us - generously - say that (on average), these small scale tombolas/sponsored silences/selling the family silver auctions raise about £7,500 each. They need 267 more such events to raise the money. Now. the really interesting figure will be to see what the shortfall is when the share issue closes in a few weeks time. HoMFC is such a toxic investment that no-one who has had enough savvy to accumulate £8, let alone £8 million, will touch them with a bargepole, so we can almost certainly forget the "White Knight on his trusty stead with a briefcase of cash" option.
As long as HMRC et al have the stones to enforce the law of the land, they are f***ed, and the more you think about the sums involved, assuming no further benevolent Romanov involvement, the more this becomes clear.
Why doesn't Anderson ask him what the current debt figure is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry (I Do What I'm told) Anderson
Why doesn't Anderson ask him who really owns the stadium?
Why doesn't Anderson ask him what UBIG's game plan is? Fedotovas is a director of UBIG and will know EXACTLY what's going on.
And why doesn't he ask him - Since April (i.e. when the season ticket 2012-13 Dynamic pricing!! was launched) it has been widely acknowledged that HOMFC have taken in around £6.5m, why only 3 wages into the 2012-13 season(where 2 of them were delayed and taxes are being withheld!!) has the money ran out?? :aok:
What an embarrassing shambles this is...how any supporters put up with this balloon of an owner and hail him at the same time beggars belief..
I think a more tactfull answer is because his bosses don't want him too.
The een are scared to ask any questions that may piss off the club in case they remove cooperation and they then struggle to get there two stories a day from hearts.
Same applies to hibs btw, sure the journalists would like to ask more probing questions but need to think of there jobs and future stories, especially when they wouldn't get an honest answer anyway.
Think between you and Bingo you've got the answer.
Bingo's point especially rings true - one of the big selling points of the EEN is the Hibs and Yams coverage. IF they peed off either club to the point where they stopped getting any stories at all, then it's going to hit them.
They need to keep the clubs sweet - don't bite the hand that feeds you and all that.
Sorry, don't buy that. The yams are going down the pan ... what happens to income from yammugs for the een at that point? Only bothering to ask utterly inane questions isn't going to prolong the life of the yams one whit. Doing a serious bit of investigative journalism boosts the een income from the yammugs who just might show a bit more interest in what the een has to say. The yams shutting up shop and refusing to speak to the een means exactly what to the een? Nothing; all they get from either club are scraps already in the public domain.
The een has nothing to gain from pathetic cronyism ... and quite a bit from showing a bit of teeth. Except it can't, because its principal yam reporting journalist is a male dangly thing.
Whether you buy it or not doesn't change the situation that without that pathetic cronyism, the paper doesn't get the stories. The gritty investagitive journalism only really helps when there's a big story, it doesn't shift papers on a slow news day, week, month.
The status quo suits all parties, Hibs/Yams get stories - mostly positive - regularly in the papers, and the EEN keeps it's readership happy.
Disagree. They should have declared war on Vlad years ago and sent out rallying calls for the fans to save their club before it was too late. If they'd been clever about it then they might even have got a fair amount of Hibbies on board. Instead they've played along with the yams and fed their delusions of grandeur.
As it is, all they now can do is sit back and wait for the inevitable to happen and feign outrage when the impossible happens.
Agreed. There's a big difference from churning out the usual 'No we definitely won't be selling player x during the transfer window' type nonsense and writing this kind of toadying crap that is helping to convince mugs to hand over every penny they have to the 'cause' when really they should be trying to inform the fans of what the reality is.
At the end of the day, as funny as some of this nonsense has been, people not smart enough or too blinded by emotion to know better are pouring their cash into this mess believing it to be the right thing to do. I hope the knowledge that come the inevitable end of this when the club could well be gone and that money will have made itself at home in Vlad's cash pile won't stop ****holes like Barry Anderson sleeping at night, because while the bosses over at the PBS can spout whatever nonsense they want, it is the duty of those calling themselves 'journalists' to seek the truth.
I know that some of the journos agree with you but the editors don't want to rock the boat.
If I was a jambo right now I'd be wanting those questions answered but I'm guessing there's not the same demand for answers across on jkb just now? Speaking of which I can't believe there's not at least been a protest against Vlad after one of there recent home games considering the stick they gave the pieman
Poppy Shirt scam...
**** right off with this 'Poppy - WWI' scam. I simply stuck a fiver in the British Legion tin and wore one with pride.Quote:
Auction 2 is a signed mehdi taouil match worn strip, worn by medhi at the game v Inverness on rememberance weekend, the strip includes the poppy badge, the strip also comes with a Letter of authenticity signed by David southern. Bearing in mind Jason holts poppy strip went last week for £1150 these are sought after items so please dig deep for the cause.
I really do detest those
I'd always thought it was LBJ - but according to Wiki it was Nixon's strategist Chuck Colson who had it pinned to the wall of his office.
I have it on good authority that Zalsuckass's cup final shirt fetched £1500 at auction, the new owner is...............................zalsuckass.
In his vain attempt to push the bidding he ended up paying for his own shirt..........a true fud
oh contraire, I think that the een getting shunned by tha gorgie mob, would sell much more papers to Hibernian minded readers:greengrin I'D buy a dozen extra a day and pop them into the doors of some of the older folk in my street, free of charge:greengrin
:agree:well said. to a point anyway, as they'd still never get me on board when it comes to saving the gorgie mob:wink:
you ask all the real questions here Mikey , :agree:but as a few others say,it's possible that young journos are under instructions not to actually rock boats etc, although they might be itching to do so. the man you refer to is an A1 fud imho but nevertheless the bold Sergie has answered in a way that I'm quite delighted and that is by saying; meanwhile we are working on improving the business of the club ,that will make it more competative and more attractive to investors. I nearly pished masel at that bit. then,:we are prepaired to speak to any reasonable buyer.meanwhile there "was" no reasonable offer from the foundation. that looks like they are definately out of the equation, and will no longer be involved or even considered. when Sergie said "was" ,does he mean not yet/ or forget that lot?:wink:
Lethargy amongst the Jambos
The pace an momentum seems to have died aroun their fundraising . 3 weeks after they realised they face oblivion , thy have not even 50 percent of ht is required to secure themselves for the rest of the season.
They have not sold out their game tonight . So they managed 1 sell out
I think there is still some waking up and coffee smelling to do over there...
It certainly lacks the intensity of our Hands off Hibs campaign
So what is it?
They won't sell at all or Romanov will sell for £5M?
Are you reliably telling us what your reliable source is telling you?
Is your reliable source reliable?
Your just talking wind and p*sh depending on which way the wind is blowing?
...the last of the above is my thinking.
Post from JKB;
"A wee fundraisers since I did not get a ticket.
Having a few fellow Jambo's round to the house. £5 minimum donation for a couple beers and a bite to eat. Any other beer etc a quid. All monies to Hearts Shares. Every little helps."
Charging your mates to visit your house? They are the most cringeworthy organisation on the planet.
I don't think it is, no.
The hilarity those utter tramps are providing on a daily basis is magnificent. Establishment big club my erse!!
Another said that once they get rid of the high earners they will be trading within their means.
I think a quick snoop through their accounts would tell him that even before a single penny is paid towards wages that they are already running at a loss.
So unless the whole camp is going voluntary, they're pickled. Barry!!
"Improved takeover bid" LOL. If some wean chucks in his piggy bank that would significantly improve their "bid".
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Meanwhile, Hearts are hoping for a late surge of ticket sales today for tonight’s SPL match with Celtic. As of yesterday afternoon, there were still around 1500 tickets available.
That's "buying" in the sense that I'd like to buy your car. I'll pop round and pick up the keys later. Obviously I won't be giving you any money, and you can pay off the car loan and tax it ... but I'll put some petrol in it.
The Foundation of the Hard-up are a total irrelevance unless and until we hit newco territory.
Has anyone asked what the script is with Tincastle? I was under the impression tha IF they did not build a new stadium either end of this season or next season tynie would not be deemed fit to host football.
Is romanav going to sell hearts for x millions rent the stadium to them for a year or 2 then sell it to the highest bidder and leave hearts with no home?
We were told by the council of all people only this year how hearts need a new stadium and there must be somoeone who can shed light on the safty certificates of that old rickety stand surely they cant keep being signed off with that horror stand falling down around them :confused:
The yams must be right numpties or don't really like watching their team play. The club is begging them for money right left and center. Yet they would rather bake cakes to buy worthless shares rather than buy a ticket to watch their team tonight and at least get something for their money. 1500 tickets left big team my arse.
Actually i am now assuming that this is for Sunday and not Tonight (maybe im gonna let him off) Hope my mate doesnt get any ideas for when we are round his for matches :greengrin
If im being totally honest what they have done and raised has been very impressive in such a short period of time, Given how dodgy the Proposition actually is its nothing but Blind Faith/Stupidity and connection to their club, To say they dont have the same connection to their Club We have to ours is a nonsense. I Still Want Them To Die Though :greengrin
There was so much fire, passion and fight during the HOH campaign.
I haven't seen anything of the sort from these lot considering their circumstances. Instead they just make up pathetic excuses like "It was worth it for our glorious cup wins" or "At least we had our 5 minutes of fame in the Champions League".... etc
They're nothing like us and their connection with their club is nothing like ours either.
So you really Believe that we The Hibs fans have a relationship with our club that they dont ? how would you quantify that ? and how much of HOH do you remember at 22 ? im 36 and other than that hidious Mercerneries record and the event at ER i dont recall that much, Oh aye and Mercer Must Die on the tent in Princes St Gardens :greengrin
I think it has been said before...but a lot of Hearts fans seem, in the past decade at least, to have adopted some sort of superiority complex, that prohibits them from doing or saying anything that could be construed as an admission of anything other than "we are always the big team, in the right, never wrong"
So rather than accept they are in serious trouble, they will say "it was worth it for the journey".
I honestly think Vlad was a wiley old fox, and when he was being rebuffed by the likes of Dunfermline (who dealt in hard facts and financial realities), and knew he needed an "angle" to get himself involved with a team in Scotland...he could spot the Hearts fans desperate need to be considered "a big team" and fed them what they wanted to hear.....added to the fact they seem more concerned with Hibs fortunes rather than their own....he probably seen his way in...which would account for all the very early "one team in Edinburgh / docksiders / different level" chat the various Hearts management came out with from the start of his tenure....
As long as they were fed the dream they so desperately wanted to believe in......they didn't care or didn't question what was going on at their club.......
And they still don't want to.....
They would rather spend their children's Christmas present money on worthless shares, than dare to question why the self proclaimed multi-millionaire owner sits on his hands and does nothing to help a situation that is mostly his doing.......spinning the whole thing out as showing how good a bunch of fans they are. There were Facebook posts after their St Mirren game comparing their "full house" picture to a random photo of our East Stand...... neglecting to accept they were blackmailed into turning out....
The St Mirren "sell out Saturday" they called it. Most of them sold out to Vlad long ago......
Obviously I don't remember anything from the campaign as i've made quite clear already. But are you going to tell me that i'm wrong and that that my description of the campaign is incorrect?
Hearts fans should be doing everything in their power to get rid of that man and to get their club back. But they're not. They're either lapping it all up, or they're too afraid to take any real action against their so called "Saviour".
Hearts fans aren't a patch on us.
To Hearts fans it was 'Sell out Saturday' When in reality it was NOT a sell out...I watched the highlights and the gaps in the stadium was there for everyone to see.. Im guessing they will be telling all and sundry that tonight's game is a sell out too when in actual fact there is not a hope in hell it will be a sellout.
Hearts fans = Deluded, Thick and unbelievably stupid.
A bullet in the post seemed to get through to Mercer.
Ever since Robinson was there they have been tepid in their 'action'. They had a 'red card' protest, they released some black balloons FFs.
No passion, no visible signs of discontent, just gentle mutterings ala Dear Vladimir.
I know that if the shoe was on the other foot this would have been resolved a long time ago, by hook or by crook, we would have got rid of them.
They deserve all that is coming to their backward wee club- and let us be assured, it is coming and I for one really can not wait.
I think its because 1. its changed days financially and i genuinely (and i think they themselves ) cant see how they can be saved. 2. They still think Vlad is gonna pardon them and give the fans the club back debt free:aok: or 3. Maybe they dont actually care about their club:confused:. Now im not going with 3 i know plenty of them who are buying shares and love their club as much as i love mine and for some Genuine fans i will feel sorry (ken the ones that didnae phone from the bus after the cup game) but there are also plenty who i cant wait to get whats coming to them, im not trying to be a Dick but to Suggest we are some kind of superfans and they dont care is simply at Yam Levels of Delusion. What we have to remember is Vlad Holds all the cards how can you force him to do the right thing ? Protest ? Piss him off they are Deed, Pander to him they could be Deed and raise some money and they are Probably gonna be Deed. i dont think Vlad would care less about a Bullet in the post for example :greengrin
But my point is these have just sat back and watched their club be ripped to pieces- yeah it's probably too late for them but apart from under Burley and a few months after they have been sliding, financially, morally they are a mess.
The Rix fiasco, the beast Thomson, Rimi & her magic sticks, nade 10k a week, Kingston huffs, malofeev- all of it an utter embarresment yet they just go 112 years wee team hobos???
Reap what u sow and with them sitting back & doing nothing it's now way too late.
I for one will dance a merry jig come the day.
My Point in counter is with a football club its not a normal business, its got fans as customers and they have hopes, dreams, memories, love and affection, Vlad Owns them lock stock the ******in lot and can do as he pleases (he has also brought them some sucess) What can they do to force him out ? why would he walk away ? who is there to buy them ? is there a Sir Tom figure to do the damage for them ? The answer to all of those is not great for them and they have been left with no option but to enjoy the ride and see what happens. NOW ITS END GAME :greengrin
Maybe its time to play long bangers outside the old rickety stand with a cossack hat or two once again.
What I still can't get my head around - and never have been able to - is how the merricks aren't grabbing their flaming torches and pitch forks and marching off to burn Romanov to the ground. There's no smell of a revolution, just the rattle of bairns' empty pocket money tins as they line up to hand it over like turkeys queueing up to be ladled with sauce before a christmas slaughter. I just don't understand in any sane world how any of them can still have even an ounce of respect or affection for VR. When I try and figure it out, it hurts my brain. It just seems impossible that a large group of people could willingly be that stupid. Even them.
People comparing HOH to the Heartd situation is apples and pears IMO.
Vlad has their stadium, he owns the club and is in complete control of weather they die.
Hibs had a chance to survive by putting pressure on our then owners not to sell aswell as opportunities to make it clear to Mercer that he wasn't wanted.
Romanov has them over a barrel. They more they press him, or threaten him etc the even less chance they have than they do now.
Their only way out of this is to try and get their club for 4-5 million and pay the debt back at 1.5 - 2 million a year for 10-15 years with the stadium being handed over at the end of the period.
Romanov won't sell with the debt outstanding and te stadium handed over otherwise the new owners would put them into admin and buy the stadium for pennies - see rangers.
That trumpet fed express pretty much said so in the article yesterday.
Reading and hearing that Hearts will agree to tax liabilities of c£3m tomorrow with HMRC.
Might not even be a game on Sunday
Where?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenEagle;3428351[B
chic young said that someone walked past him with a 40 inch tv on his shoulder whle he was in the tunnel,looks like the start of a large car boot sale
TICKETY TOCK
You may well laugh but JKB and it backs up something on our own PM board earlier...the poster on JKB is as close as you can get to getting solid info out of that place.:aok:
:agree: Pretty good summing up, once they'd bent over and taken it just after Robertson there was a collective closing of net curtains amongst the few intelligent yams to the west, the rest fell for it and the hypnosis is only now wearing off and it's now too late........unless they still have the balloons. No way would this have happened to Hibs - sit back and enjoy the show.
Big day today :greengrin
:pray::pray: