Block Seven

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Originally Posted by PHeffernan

Just read the Block 7 statement again and I am very concerned about 2 things they allege happened to them at the hands of the Police.
They state "After being detained in a kettle for over an hour and a camera shoved down our faces"
That is an absolutely horrific level of Police brutality although i'm not sure how either feat was achieved.

Sounds like the Green Brigade got off very lightly on Sunday.
From what I read they just got kettled by the Police and had their photo taken.

A few other observations for Block 7;
Get someone a bit brighter to write your statements.
Read over and amend your statements before publishing.
Learn about Section 60 Police powers as they apply to you and comply with them.
You come across as a right bunch of whiny ninnies.

P.S. If away supporters attend a game and find Block 7 have stolen their seats simply threaten to put them inside a kettle and shove a camera down their face. They will immediately vacate your seat and rush away to empty their incontinence pants.

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Originally Posted by JoeT_WasTheBest

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Hey Joe, seems like Block 7 were telling the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAP_5CAnmpQ

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

To me, this appears to very rarely be an issue these days.

They came in at Parkhead, wanted to change where they were positioned and it got dealt with. But other than that, they’re pretty much always in the pre advertised area as far as I can see.

I find them a bit nippy at times but don’t see this as much of an issue now.

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I think this is now because they are usually given the seats they want for away games, with parkhead they where given front and centre of the initial allocation, we then got another 5k seats and it transpires they are not in the best place anymore so they attempted to ‘take’ them, was only a few rows down from where I was I’ve no idea what went on but they definitely made a good attempt to start setting up there plastic frames in that section at the front, despite those seats already being taken

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Originally Posted by Dmas

I think this is now because they are usually given the seats they want for away games, with parkhead they where given front and centre of the initial allocation, we then got another 5k seats and it transpires they are not in the best place anymore so they attempted to ‘take’ them, was only a few rows down from where I was I’ve no idea what went on but they definitely made a good attempt to start setting up there plastic frames in that section at the front, despite those seats already being taken

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They weren't given front and centre of the initial allocation, Hibs and Celtic put them at the back left of that allocation to keep them out the way.

For me, Block 7 would be fine if they: a) dropped the masks/face-coverings (if you're not guilty of anything then why do you need face-coverings?) and b) stayed out of trouble with opposition fans.

The face-coverings in particular make them an obvious target for the police, so I don't have a huge amount of sympathy in that regard.

Young lads with high levels of testosterone going to the football. From my own experiences and perspective I say let them be. There is a lot worse they could be doing. Being part of a sub faction of club supporters is much better than being knife crime and what not.

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Originally Posted by Ribs1875

Young lads with high levels of testosterone going to the football. From my own experiences and perspective I say let them be. There is a lot worse they could be doing. Being part of a sub faction of club supporters is much better than being knife crime and what not.

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Being a young fanny is a gateway to becoming an old fanny. Get them clued in while they're young enough to learn.

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Originally Posted by Wilson

Being a young fanny is a gateway to becoming an old fanny. Get them clued in while they're young enough to learn.

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Agree 100% however the problem is that these days we live in a society where a growing percentage of the population live a culture of "let's see what we can get away with", whether it's the likes of Block 7 and their antics which are annoying or detrimental to others, players on the park (and not just in football but in most sports), students cheating in exams, folk fiddling their expenses etc etc. and we're so wishy-washy with discipline, right from P1 at school, that there are rarely any meaningful consequences. The result of that is that the "what-can-I-get-away-with" bar gradually gets raised. It's only going to get worse unless there is a major sea change in discipline with meaningful consequences. Many teenagers will be well beyond such behavioural change. Some will grow out of it. Some will have their "eff-you" attitude and behaviour so well engrained that they won't change and will be forever a skit stain on society. Education policies on discipline in schools need to change from P1 onwards for a long-term outcome but I'm not holding my breath.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

Agree 100% however the problem is that these days we live in a society where a growing percentage of the population live a culture of "let's see what we can get away with", whether it's the likes of Block 7 and their antics which are annoying or detrimental to others, players on the park (and not just in football but in most sports), students cheating in exams, folk fiddling their expenses etc etc. and we're so wishy-washy with discipline, right from P1 at school, that there are rarely any meaningful consequences. The result of that is that the "what-can-I-get-away-with" bar gradually gets raised. It's only going to get worse unless there is a major sea change in discipline with meaningful consequences. Many teenagers will be well beyond such behavioural change. Some will grow out of it. Some will have their "eff-you" attitude and behaviour so well engrained that they won't change and will be forever a skit stain on society. Education policies on discipline in schools need to change from P1 onwards for a long-term outcome but I'm not holding my breath.

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It won't change, I recently found out high school students now can't be forced to go to class, if teachers find kids kipping school they can only ask them to go to class, if said students say no, no further actions can be taken and the teachers are told to move on.

Crazy.

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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16

It won't change, I recently found out high school students now can't be forced to go to class, if teachers find kids kipping school they can only ask them to go to class, if said students say no, no further actions can be taken and the teachers are told to move on.

Crazy.

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When was it different? A really long time ago.

If I didn't want to go to class 25 years ago, the worst a teacher could do back then was ask me to go.

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Originally Posted by easty

When was it different? A really long time ago.

If I didn't want to go to class 25 years ago, the worst a teacher could do back then was ask me to go.

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It was different when I was at school, we'd be given detention/wouldn't get to go on certain trips/play football or my mum/dad would have been called and that itself was worse than anything.

Now if you skip class, you get no reprimands or consequences.

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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16

It was different when I was at school, we'd be given detention/wouldn't get to go on certain trips/play football or my mum/dad would have been called and that itself was worse than anything.

Now if you skip class, you get no reprimands or consequences.

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Nah, I don't believe that's true. My mates a depute head in Edinburgh though, so I'll check the now.

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Originally Posted by easty

Nah, I don't believe that's true. My mates a depute head in Edinburgh though, so I'll check the now.

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Ah yes so my niece, her dad and mum will all be lying then.

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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16

Ah yes so my niece, her dad and mum will all be lying then.

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Well, I'd assume if it's not true (which I don't know yet) then it's just your niece who'd be lying. The mum and dad are just believing what they're told.

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Originally Posted by easty

Nah, I don't believe that's true. My mates a depute head in Edinburgh though, so I'll check the now.

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Schools are a **** show. My eldest is at high school and has a kid that has been problematic (fighting/sexual harassment) that just sits in reception all day. This counts as "exclusion". Been to another couple of schools where there have been issues and just dumped at his.

My son broke a security camera ****ing about and nothing happened. We offered to pay for a new one but that was declined. Kids constantly sit in class on the phone. Couple of weeks ago eldest was off school and his pals were calling him from lessons

In fairness to the teachers they can't do a thing because of restrictions that are in place.

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Originally Posted by Fuzzywuzzy

Schools are a **** show. My eldest is at high school and has a kid that has been problematic (fighting/sexual harassment) that just sits in reception all day. This counts as "exclusion". Been to another couple of schools where there have been issues and just dumped at his

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Didn't you have kids who were problematic when you were at school too though? It's not a new thing for there to be kids who are ********s and nothing apparently can be done to fix them. They existed when I was at school.

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Originally Posted by Fuzzywuzzy

Schools are a **** show. My eldest is at high school and has a kid that has been problematic (fighting/sexual harassment) that just sits in reception all day. This counts as "exclusion". Been to another couple of schools where there have been issues and just dumped at his.

My son broke a security camera ****ing about and nothing happened. We offered to pay for a new one but that was declined. Kids constantly sit in class on the phone. Couple of weeks ago eldest was off school and his pals were calling him from lessons

In fairness to the teachers they can't do a thing because of restrictions that are in place.

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They must be lying, its the only logical conclusion:rolleyes:.

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Originally Posted by easty

Didn't you have kids who were problematic when you were at school too though? It's not a new thing for there to be kids who are ********s and nothing apparently can be done to fix them. They existed when I was at school.

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Definitely not a new thing. And I did have kids with problems. Back then ADHD autism etc never seemed that prevelant or discussed.

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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16

They must be lying, its the only logical conclusion:rolleyes:.

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You need a tissue to dry your eyes mate?

Guy disagrees with you on the internet, you dinnae have to go in a complete huff :faf:

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Originally Posted by easty

You need a tissue to dry your eyes mate?

Guy disagrees with you on the internet, you dinnae have to go in a complete huff :faf:

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I'll wait for you to ask your deputy head mate. He's the oracle apparently.

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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16

It was different when I was at school, we'd be given detention/wouldn't get to go on certain trips/play football or my mum/dad would have been called and that itself was worse than anything.

Now if you skip class, you get no reprimands or consequences.

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If a period is missed parents are informed by text.

They can lose their breaks, and not be allowed off school premises at lunch.

Put on attendance monitoring cards if multiple instances.

Education Welfare Services involved when attendance is under 85%.

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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16

I'll wait for you to ask your deputy head mate. He's the oracle apparently.

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I dunno about the Oracle, but he definitely knows better than you do

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Originally Posted by easty

I dunno about the Oracle, but he definitely knows better than you do

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Of course he does, whatever he says goes!

Ask him if he's got the lottery numbers for the weekend?

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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16

Of course he does, whatever he says goes!

Ask him if he's got the lottery numbers for the weekend?

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Do you think that predicting the future and knowing the rules of your own place of work are the same thing? :faf:

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Originally Posted by easty

Do you think that predicting the future and knowing the rules of your own place of work are the same thing? :faf:

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Do you think the depute head of 2 completely different schools have the exact same calibre of students and resources to hand?

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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16

Do you think the depute head of 2 completely different schools have the exact same calibre of students and resources to hand?

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No.

I see where you're going with this though, so I'll bow out.

You're probably right. At the school you're specifically talking about the teachers probably don't bother following the guidelines. If someone skips school, they're probably just thankful for one less kid to teach. They're also probably not allowed to call parents or give detentions. As per your niece.

Feel better now?

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Originally Posted by Thatdayinmay16

Do you think the depute head of 2 completely different schools have the exact same calibre of students and resources to hand?

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Took me all of five minutes to find the policy.


https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/directory-record/1146112/relationships-learning-and-behaviour-procedure#:~:text=Relationships%2C%20learning%20an d%20behaviour%20procedure%20%2D%20Policy%20registe r,-Classification%20Education%20and&text=Originally%2 0called%20the%20Better%20Relationships,they%20rema in%20included%20in%20school.

Happy to help clear it up.

This was B7 (I believe) being kettled by police just outside Donaldson's School before the boxing day derby. I passed them on my walk to the ground. They were in this "position" before I arrived so I am not sure if there was an incident prior to make the police take this action.

(sorry not sure why the photo is sideways) :-(


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Originally Posted by Hibee_Craig7062

This was B7 (I believe) being kettled by police just outside Donaldson's School before the boxing day derby. I passed them on my walk to the ground. They were in this "position" before I arrived so I am not sure if there was an incident prior to make the police take this action.

(sorry not sure why the photo is sideways) :-(


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A group known to have been causing trouble throughout the season stoating about with balaclavas on it would be more of an issue in the police weren’t interested imo

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Originally Posted by Dmas

A group known to have been causing trouble throughout the season stoating about with balaclavas on it would be more of an issue in the police weren’t interested imo

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That's a fair point - the police are there to serve the needs of the wider public, they're not there to just police through the lens of stewarding a football match.

I think the police are far too heavy handed with their treatment of football fans at times, but there have been plenty times when my personal experience of them has been fine.

I don't enjoy not being able to leave the stadium as usual so that they can let away fans leave first but I understand why they do it because I've seen the bother that can happen when segregation isn't there, and in the not too distant past have seen stuff thrown from the home support gathering at the gates at the West stand at away fans. Those actions make it much harder for the police to have confidence that we're all grown up enough to leave the stadium at the same time as a big visiting support.

Every away game I go to, there are young lads taking coke in the toilets, that has consequences, I've seen groups fighting after games this season, that has consequences, I've seen pyro and pitch invasions and objects thrown from the crowd, I've seen Block Seven having physical fights with stewards in the stadium this season- these things have consequences.

The consequences are that football fans continue to get policed like an underclass. That's the price we pay for those behaviours.

It's not rocket science. Some self-awareness wouldn't go amiss and the ability to correlate the actions to the consequences instead of implying that this policing has come out of nowhere would help.

Block Seven have some significant positives, but you can't net off the bad stuff because there's some good stuff - it doesn't work like that.