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14-09-2023, 08:47 AM
Carheenlea

Josh Campbell is in the Stevenson mould. Like Stevenson, never a universal fans favourite but a player managers liked in their teams.

Despite Stevenson’s record appearances he’s still not lauded as a great player by many. Back in the day the general consensus was that he wasn’t good enough for Hibs, and we still hear such chat today.

As long as Campbell is with us, he’s going to face similar critique, and any praise will be grudging.

I sense he’ll be one who prospers under Montgomery.
14-09-2023, 08:51 AM
Since452

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Your doing Campbell a injustice there his ability is getting into goalscoring positions which he does regularly and he workrate and energy is right up there with any midfielder we have .

Again your trying to compare two totally different types of Midfielders . Why not try and compare Jeggo and Campbell or JDH with any ?. JDH rarely seems to get mentioned btw .

Campbell's value is because of numerous factors including his ability which is why it was rumoured Italian clubs were watching him and none of our other midfielders .

No ability ? Yeah right ��.
https://youtu.be/lPa6QllAy7A?si=-46vwgrCSZguL_Ik

That goal against Rangers is the best i've seen at ER in a long time. Technically brilliant. On a par with Mikey Stewarts goal v Aberdeen.
14-09-2023, 08:52 AM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Carheenlea

Josh Campbell is in the Stevenson mould. Like Stevenson, never a universal fans favourite but a player managers liked in their teams.

Despite Stevenson’s record appearances he’s still not lauded as a great player by many. Back in the day the general consensus was that he wasn’t good enough for Hibs, and we still hear such chat today.

As long as Campbell is with us, he’s going to face similar critique, and any praise will be grudging.

I sense he’ll be one who prospers under Montgomery.

Lewis was/is a far better player. And he has been part of 20% of the trophies Hibs have ever won. There is no real argument that he wasn't good enough.

Campbell has been in and out of poor Hibs sides for 3 years.
14-09-2023, 08:54 AM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Lewis was/is a far better player. And he has been part of 20% of the trophies Hibs have ever won. There is no real argument that he wasn't good enough.

Campbell has been in and out of poor Hibs sides for 3 years.

Would you say Lewis is a good passer of the ball?
14-09-2023, 09:07 AM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Brightside

Would you say Lewis is a good passer of the ball?

Not especially. He is good enough though.
14-09-2023, 09:11 AM
Lago

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Originally Posted by Carheenlea

Josh Campbell is in the Stevenson mould. Like Stevenson, never a universal fans favourite but a player managers liked in their teams.

Despite Stevenson’s record appearances he’s still not lauded as a great player by many. Back in the day the general consensus was that he wasn’t good enough for Hibs, and we still hear such chat today.

As long as Campbell is with us, he’s going to face similar critique, and any praise will be grudging.

I sense he’ll be one who prospers under Montgomery.

Josh is today's Benny Brazil.
14-09-2023, 09:13 AM
Johnny_Leith

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Originally Posted by Since452

That goal against Rangers is the best i've seen at ER in a long time. Technically brilliant. On a par with Mikey Stewarts goal v Aberdeen.

Can't agree with that, great goal by Campbell but a chesting down to strike a half volley is not as technically challenging as a fully volley delivered to edge of the box from a corner.
14-09-2023, 09:13 AM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by easty

Jeggo could be replaced far easier than Newell could.

For me, Newell starts for every team outside Rangers and Celtc in this league. Jeggo, not so much.

I agree.

Their relative value to the team in any one game might not reflect that, though.

Any way, this thread has descended into onlookers' opinions being repeated over and over and over. I've made my thoughts clear, I think. No point getting into an argument because we'll soon see what NM thinks.
14-09-2023, 09:15 AM
Donegal Hibby

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Originally Posted by Since452

That goal against Rangers is the best i've seen at ER in a long time. Technically brilliant. On a par with Mikey Stewarts goal v Aberdeen.

It certainly was there keeper was rooted to the spot as he watched the ball hit the net . His overall play that day was excellent between his attacking and willingness to get back to defend . 100%, workrate and commitment from Campbell. My MotM that day . Never tire of that goal ��.
https://youtu.be/-lUNS2Tz60E?si=KkVyM50KWU_gH0Du
14-09-2023, 09:16 AM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by Carheenlea

I sense he’ll be one who prospers under Montgomery.

See my OP. :wink:
14-09-2023, 10:13 AM
Since452

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

It certainly was there keeper was rooted to the spot as he watched the ball hit the net . His overall play that day was excellent between his attacking and willingness to get back to defend . 100%, workrate and commitment from Campbell. My MotM that day . Never tire of that goal ��.
https://youtu.be/-lUNS2Tz60E?si=KkVyM50KWU_gH0Du

He was tremendous that day.
14-09-2023, 10:38 AM
brog

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

It would be good, if he ever actually created anything. Scott Allan is someone I'd be fine with having 65% pass success. Cant think of Campbell splitting many defenses.

I can but specifically Nisbet's goal against Sheep at ER last season, a superb pass. Incidentally I doubt Scotty ever got near 65% pass completion but in his case he gets a free pass, so to speak!
14-09-2023, 10:40 AM
brog

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Originally Posted by Since452

That goal against Rangers is the best i've seen at ER in a long time. Technically brilliant. On a par with Mikey Stewarts goal v Aberdeen.

Strangely, I thought they were very similar because both were partial miss hits, came off the shin. IIRC Josh said as much after the game.
Had to respell miss hits!
14-09-2023, 10:43 AM
Paulie Walnuts

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Originally Posted by brog

Strangely, I thought they were very similar because both were partial miss hits, came off the shin. IIRC Josh said as much after the game.
Had to respell miss hits!

It was absolutely mis-hit.

If we’re talking great volleys/half volleys then Boyle v Livi is miles ahead of both in terms of technique imo.
14-09-2023, 11:08 AM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by brog

I can but specifically Nisbet's goal against Sheep at ER last season, a superb pass. Incidentally I doubt Scotty ever got near 65% pass completion but in his case he gets a free pass, so to speak!

65% pass is dreadful for any position. Allan would've been well above that.
14-09-2023, 11:25 AM
superfurryhibby

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Originally Posted by Johnny_Leith

Can't agree with that, great goal by Campbell but a chesting down to strike a half volley is not as technically challenging as a fully volley delivered to edge of the box from a corner.

The ball came off Stewart's shin, not his foot. Still a brilliant goal, but maybe not a technical masterclass.
14-09-2023, 11:27 AM
MKHIBEE

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

65% pass is dreadful for any position. Allan would've been well above that.

What would you consider an acceptable % of successful passes?
14-09-2023, 11:57 AM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

65% pass is dreadful for any position. Allan would've been well above that.

Again thats just wrong. Strikers are normally in the 50 to 70 range. It gets less the further up the pitch you go. Thats just common sense. :greengrin
14-09-2023, 11:59 AM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I agree.

Their relative value to the team in any one game might not reflect that, though.

Any way, this thread has descended into onlookers' opinions being repeated over and over and over. I've made my thoughts clear, I think. No point getting into an argument because we'll soon see what NM thinks.

I expect it will be Levitt and Newell in the majority of games.
14-09-2023, 12:36 PM
Donegal Hibby

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Originally Posted by Brightside

I expect it will be Levitt and Newell in the majority of games.

Not this week though , read Levitt isn't ready so would imagine Newell with Campbell or Jeggo unless Monty picks Delferriere instead.
14-09-2023, 12:44 PM
flash

Not a great fan of these threads personally but each to their own.

He is a young man who lives and breathes Hibs and has done so all his life just like many of us. He also knocks his pan in every match without fail and has contributed several important moments to the team both with goals and assists.

Clearly his passing could improve but he has put through one or two fantastic balls in his time so he is capable, just needs to find some consistency.

We all clamour for our kids to make it to the first team then, as often as not, they become the whipping boys when they do.

Nothing wrong with voicing opinions of course, this is a fans' forum after all, but not sure there's any need for some of the more extreme criticism he picks up.
14-09-2023, 01:21 PM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Not this week though , read Levitt isn't ready so would imagine Newell with Campbell or Jeggo unless Monty picks Delferriere instead.

Yep agreed. Assuming he does got 442. He may stick with what Dave Gray has been doing for the first game tho..... who knows.
14-09-2023, 02:00 PM
WeeRussell

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

65% pass is dreadful for any position. Allan would've been well above that.

Dreadful (it’s not).. but you’d be fine with it?

That’s not holding Allan to very high standards 😁
14-09-2023, 04:43 PM
Dashing Bob S

Quote:

Originally Posted by flash

Not a great fan of these threads personally but each to their own.

He is a young man who lives and breathes Hibs and has done so all his life just like many of us. He also knocks his pan in every match without fail and has contributed several important moments to the team both with goals and assists.

Clearly his passing could improve but he has put through one or two fantastic balls in his time so he is capable, just needs to find some consistency.

We all clamour for our kids to make it to the first team then, as often as not, they become the whipping boys when they do.

Nothing wrong with voicing opinions of course, this is a fans' forum after all, but not sure there's any need for some of the more extreme criticism he picks up.

Great post.
14-09-2023, 04:58 PM
Donegal Hibby

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

65% pass is dreadful for any position. Allan would've been well above that.

How many goals did Scott Allan score for Hibs ?
14-09-2023, 06:57 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

How many goals did Scott Allan score for Hibs ?

17 in 127

39 assists

Campbell has 13 in 87

9 assists

Lets not be silly and compare these 2 players.
14-09-2023, 07:19 PM
Donegal Hibby

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

17 in 127

39 assists

Campbell has 13 in 87

9 assists

Lets not be silly and compare these 2 players.

That's exactly what I mean when your saying Newells better than Campbell or even when you said Allan would have a higher pass % than Campbell. Different types of Midfielders and silly to compare them tbh .

I knew Allan would have more assists as he was more creative than Campbell though Campbell will certainly end up with more goals than Allan as he gets imo into the box more often which is why he'd have less of pass %,than Allan too.
14-09-2023, 07:30 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

That's exactly what I mean when your saying Newells better than Campbell or even when you said Allan would have a higher pass % than Campbell. Different types of Midfielders and silly to compare them tbh .

I knew Allan would have more assists as he was more creative than Campbell though Campbell will certainly end up with more goals than Allan as he gets imo into the box more often which is why he'd have less of pass %,than Allan too.

So Campbell only ever gives it away when its a real high risk pass because he's so high up? Is that what you're genuinely saying?

You can compare different types of midfielders. Not directly but you can. Campbell has been poor so far this season and has a lot to work on. His passing and general control isn't good enough. Nothing you've said is convincing me otherwise.
14-09-2023, 08:28 PM
Donegal Hibby

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

So Campbell only ever gives it away when its a real high risk pass because he's so high up? Is that what you're genuinely saying?

You can compare different types of midfielders. Not directly but you can. Campbell has been poor so far this season and has a lot to work on. His passing and general control isn't good enough. Nothing you've said is convincing me otherwise.

Campbell's games not about spreading passes about or being creative . He's a worker with great energy and stamina and he does a lot of work both ends of the field though primarily he will get himself in the box and get goals at times . Could he improve on certain aspects of his game ? I've no doubt about it though I'm sure there's things all our Midfielders could improve on even Newell as well.

Look at Newells goalscoring record over his career , it isn't great tbh , I'm sure he'd like to improve on it . He has 3 assists this year in 8 competitive games so far . I know of one that came from a corner he took , don't know of the other two though , maybe that's another area he'd like to improve on too !

You mentioned comparing Allan and Campbell as silly now you say you can , very confusing tbh , personally I think your right comparing Allan and Campbell or Newell and Campbell is silly tbh . Different types , different attributes . All good players but nothing alike .

I wasn't actually trying to convince you on Campbell though imo at the moment our 3 most important Midfielders are Jeggo , Newell and Campbell for totally different reasons . Take Campbell out and we have a lack of goals from midfield!
14-09-2023, 08:33 PM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Campbell's games not about spreading passes about or being creative . He's a worker with great energy and stamina and he does a lot of work both ends of the field though primarily he will get himself in the box and get goals at times . Could he improve on certain aspects of his game ? I've no doubt about it though I'm sure there's things all our Midfielders could improve on even Newell as well.

Look at Newells goalscoring record over his career , it isn't great tbh , I'm sure he'd like to improve on it . He has 3 assists this year in 8 competitive games so far . I know of one that came from a corner he took , don't know of the other two though , maybe that's another area he'd like to improve on too !

You mentioned comparing Allan and Campbell as silly now you say you can , very confusing tbh , personally I think your right comparing Allan and Campbell or Newell and Campbell is silly tbh . Different types , different attributes . All good players but nothing alike .

I wasn't actually trying to convince you on Campbell though imo at the moment our 3 most important Midfielders are Jeggo , Newell and Campbell for totally different reasons . Take Campbell out and we have a lack of goals from midfield!

You can’t play the position Campbell does and get away with not being creative.

Playing as the most advanced midfielder you need to be and, if you’re not, you’re not going to make a decent career in that position IMO.

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