Absolutely. I'm glad the deal that would have taken him to St Mirren didn't go through. There's no way our defence/midfield could handle Scott Allan.....his foresight is on a different levelQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
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Absolutely. I'm glad the deal that would have taken him to St Mirren didn't go through. There's no way our defence/midfield could handle Scott Allan.....his foresight is on a different levelQuote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Not a big fan but he made a big difference today. Good ball to the back post for the equaliser and generally did the simple things well and didn't lose possession. Held the ball really well in tight areas too and his decision making was much better than usual which meant he never gave the ball away cheaply that I can remember. Most of the good things we did involved Scottie and it was due to him getting the ball moving quickly and simply something I want to see him do more.
Hard to believe but his defending was actually worse than normal. He is never going to be brilliant when we don't have the ball but he at least needs to make some effort. I'm with one of the posters on the match day thread, when we went ahead, I would have considered taking him off. The half will have done him good and Jack Ross will see he can still make a difference but if we are starting to be put under pressure then he is a man short
Changed the game, lifted the crowd and he’s a joy to watch. I don’t know why he’s not playing more but he’s an essential part of the squad as far as I’m concerned. Players who try things win games (although admittedly not this one unfortunately).
JR spoke well about Scott on the radio and made it clear they talk regularly and get on well.
Scott wants to play. Ross wants to win games for Hibs. Those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. Ross made it clear SA has to take the chances when he gets them and said he had done that today. We all know what a fit, focused and sharp Scott Allan can do, so does the manager.
Absolutely changed the game today. His willingness to go forward gave the team and the fans a lift which eventually got us ahead.
Today has to have pushed him forward for a start. He looked far more like his old self, right from the minute he came on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Definitely not an Allan detractor either. Never had a bad word to say of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
The info I get is from a youth team player… not the PM board as some may suggest.
I’d love to see Scott starting every week, unfortunately if he does I don’t see him playing many 90 minute matches from what I’ve been told.
Exactly this… Ross and Allan are not by anyway enemies but when it comes down to football Ross demands very high standards and Scott wasn’t hitting those marks, the shock of potentially leaving has got him buckling down now and friendship/relationships aside, it hard working players that Ross favours… may this be the fresh start Allan was needing (or the kick up the backside).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
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Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Jeez. I'm glad your not the manager. Scott was a joy to watch today. He changes games and his touches and vision is the stuff I am happy to pay to watch at ER. Hibs class.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Allan has some guile about him. He'll be even better when he's fully fit.
Ross hasn’t got 100% off the fans prob lucky if 75% imho
For him to allow Allan leave in the window gone by is a red flag
I am no big Ross fan at all but he has improved the team since hecky
Football ain’t great consistent enough for me personally
But Scott Allan being allowed to leave is poor judgment.
There are plenty others at Easter road way before Scott Allan should have been even considered letting go to st Mirren.
Think thats the issue though mate. I dont think Scotty will ever be fully fit again and be able to deliver a full 90 minutes at the top level.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Absolutely, a player who can change a game and make it look all so easy is worth paying to see, how much have we missed his vision in the middle of the park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
He’s fully fit now?Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
He was brilliant when he came on I thought in an attacking sense. I think his position has changed and is probably a number 10 now rather than an attacking midfielder.
I’m a huge Scott Allan fan but I wouldn’t be using this as a stick to beat Ross with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
The Scott Allan we saw today we haven’t seen for a while.
Ross has actually used Allan a fair amount and even if only through necessity has continued to give him opportunities.
Bobby Williamson will forever be blighted by a transfer that didn’t even happen.
Who knows - this might end up being the making of Allan, Ross and Hibs, a well timed wee kick up the backside.
He can deliver the 45 he delivered today any time he likes though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancs Harp
Quite possibly but going forward will Hibs be happy paying someone what we pay Scotty to deliver 45 mins, 30 mins, 15 mins every now and then? Ive enjoyed greatly his contribution to Hibs over the years but Id be surprised if he was Hibs player next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Allan has said numerous times he’s as fit as he’s ever been and as fit as he’s gonna get without playing week in week out, can understand his heading dropping being hooked in our 1st European game despite having a good pre season then getting over looked for others no where near his level. Seeing jack ross favourites play through poor form or straight back in from injury. Guys played 2 half games and got 2 assists. Play him every week and he’ll guarantee you assists and goals.
Also IMO No fault of his for 2nd goal today he’s passed the goal scorer onto doig. Doig needs to attack that and clear it away. Not for the 1st time doigs inability to defend has cost us along with mcginn and macey making repeated mistakes leading to goals.
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Jack Ross’ favourites 😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by tmb1875
You don’t think he has favourites ? I certainly do.Quote:
Originally Posted by H18 SFR
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
Favourites ? between our coaching staff and the first team squad. We are basically a St Mirren throwback, so on today;s game. Who favours who ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
It’s worth remembering that Ross wasn’t just willing to let Allan go for nothing.
We were going to be getting another very creative and highly rated player in exchange.
Good interview from him today.
https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/stat...186001409?s=21
And only on loan tooQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
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Which would have effectively ended his Hibs career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
His interview says a lot in my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by DavieRoy
Has he had as many chances as drey Wright / hallberg / slivka /
I wouldn’t blame him for wanting to leave but in ten years time every fan will be saying what a player Allan was.
Only in over stimulated imaginations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
An inferior player who hasn’t and never will be as good as Scott Allan. It was a badly thought out transfer that we’ve lucked out on that it didn’t happen. Tell me anyone that watched that game today that thought that McGrath was a better option than Allan and I’ll show you a blind man.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Scott Allan is such an enigma. 45-60 mins today he was the best player on the pitch and turned the game round from 0-1 to 2-1. However he obviously doesn't do this on a regular basis because otherwise he wouldn't be at Hibs. If he could perform like that and the back heel for our 2nd goal v Livi then he would be playing at a far higher level at we are at.
I can’t say I concentrated too much on McGrath today so I don’t know if he was good, bad or indifferent, although I thought St Mirren were excellent to be fair to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
In terms of the comparison of the two players though, McGrath has recently been playing international football for Ireland. I don’t think Allan would have been called up to that Ireland side.
I thought McGrath showed a few nice touches, but on limited viewing of him he’d be competing with Magennis for a game if we’d signed him IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Someone posted earlier on this thread that one swallow doesn’t make a summer and I agree with that. Scott Allan needs to produce that type of performance on a regular basis, if he’s given the opportunity. If he does I’d rather have him than McGrath.
I love Scott Allan and have huge admiration for what he’s done and is still doing despite his health conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffers
Despite that though, I think McGraths career is on the up where as we are a bit unsure if what’s happening with Allans or if he’ll ever replicate his best form.
If I was offered a straight swap right now I would go with McGrath to be honest.
Sorry Scott.
Still the best actual footballer in our squad imo, his brain and knowledge of the position and game in general is second to none, long may we enjoy him before we get rid far too soon, he loves it here as well [emoji8]
He will, or he would have retired. He is fit and just needs to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancs Harp
He will never lose his quality but he’s definitely lost a bit of pace. He would walk into the starting XI of any other team outside the Old Firm, I would keep him happily. I will be surprised if he’s here next season though.
I think playing with one striker as we are at the moment it should open the door for a player like scott, I’m a big fan of his but I’m also aware that he’s a player that doesn’t suit certain formations or set ups, much the same as Stevie Mallan.
Yesterday’s game for example did we really need both JDH and Newell playing so deep? Could one have sat out and someone like magennis played deeper to give us more drive in the middle and Allan could sit behind the striker? It would probably stop nizzy dropping so deep to get involved as well.
A lot of pressure on Boyle to produce just now as well relieves that having another creative player in the team
Unless he has a consistent run with his wages he will be gone although he ain't getting what he is on now anywhere else. Worth starting him for the next two games to see how long he can last. We need his guile against St Johnstone as we know they will come and play 4-5-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
Yesterday showed the brilliance and liability of Scotty. He is still IMO one of the most talented and clever players in Scotland. That ball to McGinn, World class.! He is unbelievable with the ball at his feet.
However the biggest flaw is his fitness/pace. For whatever reason he cannot sprint. The moment when the buddies defender carried the ball about 60 yards at a stroll Scotty tried to tackle him/foul him on the half way line and missed out on both. Yes I'm sure someone will try and justify it or claim another reason why it happened but that was the bit that sticks out for me. He is immensely talented but a liability defending.
How do Hibs and Jack Ross go about justifying that?
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Originally Posted by DavieRoy
Saying all the right things.
Regardless of whether folk think he is the player he was, we can probably agree that a fit and hungry Scott Allan is a terrific asset for us.
Jack says he’s got faith in him… let’s hope we see more of the same this season.
It all depends on what matters to you as a manager and if you want to focus on the positives he brings or the negatives. With Scott Allan I know what I’d be focusing on, but it seems it’s his negatives that many want to look for. Joe Newell for example gets lots of plaudits on here, but I could point out he doesn’t create enough chances and his finishing in the main is woeful. JDH has had a great start to his Hibs career, but does he look like he will score goals or create many chances ? Take Murphy as another example, he plays wide but is basically allowed to cheat and offer little if any help to his full back. I could go on…..Quote:
Originally Posted by StevesFamau5
Allan not best pleased by last minute transfer attempt. Ready for 90 minutes.
IT is fair to say that Ryan Porteous was not best pleased with Martin Boyle when his Hibernian team mate strayed offside just as he got his head on the end of a Kyle Magennis corner in the cinch… http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19590960.scott-allan-opens-talks-hibernian-boss-jack-ross-easter-road-future/?ref=appshr
Very good summaryQuote:
Originally Posted by StevesFamau5
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Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
I wonder if the McGrath deal didn't go through because Allan said no to a loan move, especially if it was just sprung on him last minute.
Really pleased that Scott came on and impacted the game. Showed that he still has it. I'd start him against St Johnstone. They are going to be their usual industrial selves so having that creativity could be vital.
I doubt it, we have it on good authority from a text message that Mathie cocked the whole thing up. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Allan and Wright were permanently moving had that deal gone through.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Both Allan and Wright had agreed to it whatever the deal was.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Not convinced he would be a starter in any team in this league or maybe even the one below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
He has spent the vast majority of his career not playing 90 minutes, lots of that for other reasons than ability. Hibs seems to have been the only club it really worked for him and even then he has nowhere near as many minutes as a normal starter would, again not all his fault.
He is only half a player and most teams below us play energetic and combative football. Scott is above average when he gets the ball but nowhere near a top team player without it. He may be a luxury we can carry in our squad, the last two games prove how important he could be in that role, but I doubt he starts most weeks for any team in the top league.
Allan looked great when Hibs turned on the power for 15 minutes at the start of the 2nd half.Unfortunately for the supporters and Allan, Hibs immediately turned the power off again and set about trying to kill the game.Should have taken Scott off at that point and replaced him with a defensive minded player to play that way.Best form of defence is attack and i thought Hibs should have kept the power on until they were two goals clear.As for McGrath, I kept an eye on him on Saturday and could see why we wanted him. An advanced midfielder and a very good athlete who would fit in with how we play.
I thought McGrath looked good too particularly in the first half. Got too into the game to watch him as much in the second half. Very mobile and plays in between the lines quite a lot finding bags of space. Worked hard, a Jack Ross type of player imoQuote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Funny that, I forgot about watching him in the 2nd half as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Can you imagine the reaction if JR had subbed Scott off after bringing him on. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
New contract for Scotty please
He's back
Tonight is showing more of the best of Scotty and I am absolutely buzzing with it. Terrific performance and really working hard. This is the Scotty we have. Absolutely fantastic so far!
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Doo, doo, dee- do!
Sco-tty All-an!
Well happy for scotty boy gettin his goal ! Great to see how much enjoyed it after a tough year !
Allan is one of those players who makes things happen. I'm not sure there is another player on the park tonight who is able to see and execute the pass for the 1st goal.
Yes he leaves you a bit short defensively at times and he's probably not covering 15K a game or whatever but players like him are worth accommodating. Guys who work hard and run about a lot are everywhere. Players who can do what Scott Allan does are hard to come by.
I wonder if it’s a Scottish/British thing that we focus on his weaknesses too often and don’t appreciate him for his strengths. He’s a fabulous footballer, we should always find a place for a fit Scott Allan in our team.
Are you watching Graeme Mathie?
No, I'm watching the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
How long is his new contract?
I agree, but tonight he's been booked, Gollum is the ref and he's playing wide. Now we are winning 3-0 its not really a problem, and that is clearly down to him having a very good game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I'd much prefer to see him central, and have someone more suited to defending help Stevenson more.
Changed the game against St Mirren when he came on at the weekend and superb first half here. Undroppable now.
Totally agree with every word. But he has tracked back plenty tonight as well. Superb so far tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Very impressed by him tonight. Battled to get an opportunity and seems to have taken it with both hands.
That’s the attitude we need at this club.
If we get a fourth, I would take SA off to avoid a red.
Final year of his current contract isn’t it? Travesty if we let him go tbh
Absolutely. Heart of a warrior. So much respect and love for himQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
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:top markshere here :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
It would be a travesty if he didn't win a trophy with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
Yep, let him play where he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
He’s almost first name on the team sheet now. Has shown us past two games what we are missing. Almost hold your breath every time he gets the ball in the opposition half. Special footballer.
Ray Wilkins had zero pace/fitness while with us but had others around to do his running and dirty work, he still managed to play fantastic passes to teammates like jacko and Keith, we had a German guy on loan I wish we’d signed too, Thorsten Shmugge IIRCQuote:
Originally Posted by StevesFamau5
I love scotty, but I have to disagree he's first name on the team sheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Spaceman
Given our dearth of options at gk, cb, rb and cf, there's probably 4 or 5 ahead of him.
Games changed in a big way since then. Defenders think they can play football now. It makes defending from the front a really important skill to learn. Scotty tonight has been phenomenal. Scotty on Saturday was both brilliant and concerning.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOLA
Clearly showing development through match sharpness already. Hence why I am absolutely buzzing for him. My concern was purely fitness based and so far I'm being proven wrong. I'm happy with that.
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We were poor, but I’ll take a 3-1 win away from home any day.
Plus, stuck a tenner on Macey to get booked @ 33/1 and he duly obliged less than a minute later!
Worth the trip up.
Love Scott Allan and want him playing but would be happy never to see him out wide again.
Think Lewis Stevenson might agree!
Ray Wilkins was absolutely honking at hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NOLA
Massive fan of Lewis, but think him having an off night made Allan's defensive contributions considerably more noticeable.
Edit- lack of defensive contributions I meant
Wouldn’t have said he was as brilliant as some are making out, nor was the pass he made to Newell.
Thats not to say he never played well, I just think some overhype what he does sometimes because it is Allan.
It was a good reverse pass to Newell for the goal who finished well but the keeper will be disappointed he never saved it.
I never minded him left wing and actually thought he worked really hard and you could see that by some of the challenges he was putting in. The booking halted his tackles and pressing as you could see he was nervous getting another.
Great technique for the goal.
It’s brilliant to see him back in the team and getting goals and assists. As a team we need to start dominating the ball more though and getting our forward players on it more often.
Couldbe wrong, but is that not 3 assists and a goal for our last 5 goals?
Played well and had a goal and an assist. Don’t really see the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
The boys magic. Worked hard in tracking back, unlucky to be booked so early. He plays he contributes. That's for sure.
The constant two against ones including their goal were an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
I want him in the team just not out there.
This. I thought he was heading for a red. He really can’t tackle.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
As has been discussed in the thread, that’s what we have to weigh up in terms of risk. It worked tonight, wouldn’t rule it out again.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
Did a fair amount of tracking back in the first half tbf.
Me too, i'd play him central and have Newell on the bench. Allan in front of JDH and Kyle M.Quote:
Originally Posted by flash
QUOTE=greenlex;6702931]This. I thought he was heading for a red. He really can’t tackle.[/QUOTE]
Actually had one of the best tackles of the night.
Actually had one of the best tackles of the night.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
It wasn’t really. He never made contact with the ball at any point and it was the boy that made a mess of it. To ge fair he put the challenge in and caused the boy to mess it up but it wasn’t a great tackle.
I don't think Lewis had an off night myself. And Scott Allan was mixing it well for the time he was on the park and only started to flag defensively the last 5/10 before he was subbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc
Another brilliant performance from him in a game no one else really stepped up to offer anything and easily deserves man of the match.
He did to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf
Opinions eh. Thought lewis struggled at times, but a win is a win so not fussed about the rest. Just want more Scotty gametime
Some players careers are just intertwined with certain clubs and scotty Allan is ingrained in hibs folklore,the way he set the standard when he first signed to the way he left us for Celtic.then in his absence we built a really good side with mcginn coming in and lifted the cup.whilst Allan then coming back and proving to the fans he still had business in a hibs shirt.he grew a real appreciation for what the hibs fans gave him back.then how he had his health issues and fought his way back to getting in the first team,to now bringing a bit of life to the side.still an integral squad member with hopefully another gear to reach.
Won't disagree with you on that one!Quote:
Originally Posted by cameronw-hfc
I thought Newell had a great first half and did more for the team than anyone. I love Scottie and it was great to see him start a match but IMO he still needs more game time. Fitting him in and finding his best position in this team is very difficult. Play him anywhere in midfield or up front and he will have flashes of brilliance during a game but we need him where he can be an influence over the whole game (or as long as he can last in a match) and then we will have the player we know he can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Our middle 3 were very good today. It’s really hard to drop one. Hence the issue with JR having to find an area to get Allan on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Tonight was the Allan we know and love.
Fitting him in the team will always be tricky however. His defensive limitations means he can't play a deep central role and if he's wide left, then we need Stevenson at LB for balance rather than Doig. If we play him centrally, then Magennis either has to play wide left or we omit one of Newell or Doyle-Hayes with Magennis dropping back.
Nice problem to have though.