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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

watched this one, namibia gave a good account of themselves and even led for a few mins :)...until the 2nd half when the floodgates opened, as expected, jordie barrett playing his first game as a number 10....all 6ft 5" of him :greengrin

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Didn’t see any of the games yesterday as had a bit too many bevvies on Saturday night. Was out for the count on Sunday morning. Just watched highlights of both matches and thought the following:

France vs Tonga looked a really good game to watch. Tonga gave it as as good as they got. France always have a habit of pulling off a result at a World Cup and the game against mostly likely Wales in the quarters could go either way.

New Zealand vs Namibia - who would have thought half an hour into the game that the scoreline would read New Zealand 10-9 Namibia? I certainly wouldn’t have predicted that. 2nd half, as you said cabbageandribs1875, the floodgates opened and New Zealand just ran riot, playing some scintillating rugby that we are so accustomed to seeing from the All Blacks. Must have got a kick up the backside from Steve Hansen at HT!

Tomorrow it’s South Africa vs Canada.

typhoon possibly hitting the area where ireland play samoa on saturday, they need a bonus point to make sure of qualifying, any games cancelled are automatically given a scoreless draw, the name of the typhoon is 'Typhoon Hagibis' i'm convinced Hagibis is related to Haggis....the stars/weather whatever are aligning :wink: see you in the final All Blacks


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49959221

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

typhoon possibly hitting the area where ireland play samoa on saturday, they need a bonus point to make sure of qualifying, any games cancelled are automatically given a scoreless draw, the name of the typhoon is 'Typhoon Hagibis' i'm convinced Hagibis is related to Haggis....the stars/weather whatever are aligning :wink: see you in the final All Blacks


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49959221

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Couldn’t have timed this any better! 😁👍🏾

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

typhoon possibly hitting the area where ireland play samoa on saturday, they need a bonus point to make sure of qualifying, any games cancelled are automatically given a scoreless draw, the name of the typhoon is 'Typhoon Hagibis' i'm convinced Hagibis is related to Haggis....the stars/weather whatever are aligning :wink: see you in the final All Blacks


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49959221

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Any idea what happens if a typhoon hits during the knockout stages? Not much point calling it a scoreless draw?

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Any idea what happens if a typhoon hits during the knockout stages? Not much point calling it a scoreless draw?

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I believe if it's called off before half time then the game is replayed, if after half-time then the result stands.

If the replay can't take place in the next 2 days, then ...

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The sequential criteria to decide the victor is as follows:

The team with the most match points from the pool phase (applicable in quarter-finals and semi-finals).
The team which has the best points difference in all their tournament matches.
The team which has the best difference between tries for and tries against in all their tournament matches.
The team which has scored most points in all their tournament matches.
The team which has scored most tries in all their tournament matches.
Where all criteria above are not able to determine a winner, the team that is higher ranked in the official World Rugby Rankings at the time the match is scheduled to be played.

If the World Cup final is cancelled and criteria two to five cannot determine a winner, the two teams will be declared joint winners.

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oh, there's more, if the match is abandoned at half-time or later and the current score is a draw then ...

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the following sequential criteria apply:

The team which scored most tries in the match.
The team with the most match points from the pool phase.
The team which has the best points difference in all their tournament matches.
The team which has the best difference between tries for and tries against in all their tournament matches.
The team which has scored most points in all their tournament matches.
The team which has scored most tries in all their tournament matches.
Where all criteria above are not able to determine a winner, the team that is higher ranked in the official World Rugby Rankings at the time the match is scheduled to be played.

Again, if the final is abandoned and criteria one to six cannot determine a winner, the two teams will be declared joint winners.

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

FFS, Samoa why did you not just kick it out and go for a lineout at the halfway line if you wanted to try and get a losing bonus point?! So stupid going for the scrum, 5 metres out from your own try line!

Even if we get the bonus point win against Russia, it’s still in Japan’s hands and I just can’t see us beating them by more than 7 points with 4 tries. Plus they also have the advantage of having more time to prepare for the game than we do.

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Didn't see the game but was it not a free kick Samao got rather than a penalty, if so kicking it out would have finished the game as was in added time. Gregor was giving it large yesterday link to article below about the ref penalising the Samoans for a crooked feed in the scrum which apparently is now unheard of at this level so sounds like Japan being giving a helping hand at the most crucial of times. Bearing in mind Scotland got done over at the last world cup wouldn't altogether rule out the same happening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49959867

Taking a bit of a risk tomorrow with 14 changes and no Hogg or Russell on the bench as Russia have been pretty good and very physical. Hope this confidence in the squad pays off with a much needed bonus point win.

The super typhoon is now threatening our game v Japan. Very convenient for the Japanese if that happens!

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I believe if it's called off before half time then the game is replayed, if after half-time then the result stands.

If the replay can't take place in the next 2 days, then ...




oh, there's more, if the match is abandoned at half-time or later and the current score is a draw then ...

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:aok:

South Africa vs Canada - A predictably one sided 1st half is the best way to describe that 1st half. Every time South Africa attacked, they just seemed to score try after try. 2nd half Canada did not too bad and scored the opening try of the 2nd period but every man and their dug knew it was nothing more than a mere consolation. The Springboks finished off the 2nd period and their group campaign by scoring 3 tries in that 2nd period (10 in total).

Tomorrow (this morning) we have 3 games:-

Argentina vs USA
Scotland vs Russia - C’MON Scotland!!!!
Wales vs Fiji

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16k local school kids bussed in to cheer on scotland :)

no Finn Russell, stuart hogg, jonny gray or greig laidlaw

try and conversion Hastings 13 mins

7-0
Hastings again 18 mins...
double try and conversion...Hastings 14 Russia 0

interception at Russian line out, try Horne 22 mins, converted

21-0....... HT

Playing with, for Scotland, confidence, though I won't stop keeching myself till we get the fourth try. Thought 'Hairboi' had overcooked it for one of his tries but he's playing well.

4th try 45 mins, converted

28-0

Great pace from Graham, bonus point in the bag...phew

51 mins 35-0

20 of those for hastings


same scoreline oirland beat the russians


seymour in the corner 40-0...lovely conversion from hastings 42-0


i honestly think we're safe in this game


58 mins george horne hat-trick try 47-0, hastings misses conversion, get him off boooo


huge muck up with a forward pass for that try, surely the TMO notices it ? just about to take the kick and finally noticed, chalked off

pleased for john barclay getting a try

75 mins 54-0


77 mins try 59-0.....converted 61-0


and yet another forward pass again with hastings in for the try, pass the ball backwards boys, backwards, even i could do it :(




but anyway, well done scotland, japan beware :)

I think we’ve got this. :wink:

Scotland - SENSATIONAL 😁

Bring on Japan!

55 years since Scotland have went two successive games without losing a point


that doesn't happen often in modern day rugby

Before the Samoa and Russian matches I thought we'd end up going out due to bonus points but all credit to the team, they have steamrollered Samoa and Russia.

Very confident going into the match vs Japan which is a feeling I don't like having:greengrin

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

Scotland - SENSATIONAL 😁

Bring on Japan!

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That's the points difference sorted. So I think the permutations (not involving typhoons) are in ascending order of straw-clutchiness:

- Beat Japan by 8 points or more and if Japan score 4 tries, Scotland must also score 4 tries
- Beat Japan by less than 8 points but score 4 tries and stop Japan scoring 4 tries
- Beat Japan other than the 2 ways above or draw and Samoa beat Ireland

Superb performance. Have that very unusual warm, fuzzing feeling you get from thumping the oppo. Thought Barclay was going to stop running before he scored but what a nice wee mis-pass.

2004

Scotland 100 v Japan 8




hopefully see a repeat this sunday :)

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

51 mins 35-0

20 of those for hastings


same scoreline oirland beat the russians


seymour in the corner 40-0...lovely conversion from hastings 42-0


i honestly think we're safe in this game


58 mins george horne hat-trick try 47-0, hastings misses conversion, get him off boooo


huge muck up with a forward pass for that try, surely the TMO notices it ? just about to take the kick and finally noticed, chalked off

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That shouldn’t have been called forward. Trick of the eye as “explained” by BOD and Mcgeechan.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

That shouldn’t have been called forward. Trick of the eye as “explained” by BOD and Mcgeechan.

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but we DID get away with one that everyone except the TMO(and officials) agreed WAS forward...the TMO(and officials) were tricked :greengrin



great try Fiji after 3 mins v wales, the man just bulldozed his way to the line

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

That's the points difference sorted. So I think the permutations (not involving typhoons) are in ascending order of straw-clutchiness:

- Beat Japan by 8 points or more and if Japan score 4 tries, Scotland must also score 4 tries
- Beat Japan by less than 8 points but score 4 tries and stop Japan scoring 4 tries
- Beat Japan other than the 2 ways above or draw and Samoa beat Ireland

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Yep, although would we not get eliminated if we drew with Japan and Samoa beat Ireland? Due to h2h which is what comes down to. Or is it two points for a draw?

2nd Fiji 'try' , not given, forward pass, welsh player yellow card for dangerous tackle on Mata

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

Yep, although would we not get eliminated if we drew with Japan and Samoa beat Ireland? Due to h2h which is what comes down to. Or is it two points for a draw?

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surely safe to take that scenario out of the equation



try two this time for Fiji, both have been in the corner so not great chances for the extra points

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

Yep, although would we not get eliminated if we drew with Japan and Samoa beat Ireland? Due to h2h which is what comes down to. Or is it two points for a draw?

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needless yellow card for Fiji player now


and that's cost them within 90 seconds, try wales


another fijian yellow card, they do tend to self-implode don't they, which of course costs them yet again, try wales

fiji on top 2nd half, penalty try awarded and a yellow card for a welsh player fiji lead 17-14 after 53 mins


biggar takes a sore one from one of his own players


pen wales 17-17


29-17 wales, silly errors have cost the fijians, i think they've been the better team

Scotland actually qualified for the 2023 WC with that win today

Scotland's quite good at finding new ways to fail at sport but if we don't qualify because the Japan game gets postponed due to the typhoon I'm sure that would be quite unique.

Argentina vs USA - Very comfortable win for Argentina. USA had chances to score tries but failed to take them.

Scotland vs Russia - Couldn’t have asked for a better performance and result. 14 changes made by Townsend, I was thinking it would be typical Scotland that we win this game without that crucial bonus point but then beat Japan and get eliminated by 1 point. Thought we were absolutely sensational! Back to back clean sheets. Also as pointed out during the match, you need to go back 55 years since Scotland went two successive games without losing a point! Win has been a little shadowed though with this potential haggis typhoon. Hopefully it is nothing major in the end and the big game against Japan goes ahead this Sunday. Will see what gets announced tomorrow morning.

Wales va Fiji - Fantastic game from start to finish. Fiji could have finished their World Cup campaign on a major high but Wales just about pulled through in the end and got the win.

No game tomorrow. Next match is on Friday which is Australia vs Georgia.

We played really well against Russia and looked clinical, but Japan will be tough! Can't wait.

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they can **** right off wae this gash, get the games played :fuming: 7-a-side in a scout hall if necessary, just get a game played

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they can **** right off wae this gash, get the games played :fuming: 7-a-side in a scout hall if necessary, just get a game played

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It’s all speculation. No one has a clue. Some reports were claiming our game is going to get moved to Kobe and the England vs France is going to get postponed.

There is going to be an announcement tomorrow morning by World Rugby.

It kind of begs the question as to why World Rugby have chosen to hold a World Cup in a country that is prone to extreme weather conditions at the time of year that they have the World Cup.

Nothing against Japan hosting it but surely they need to look at things like this in advance.

It would make a complete mockery of the tournament if a country doesn't qualify from the group stages just because their last match is cancelled due to the weather.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

It kind of begs the question as to why World Rugby have chosen to hold a World Cup in a country that is prone to extreme weather conditions at the time of year that they have the World Cup.

Nothing against Japan hosting it but surely they need to look at things like this in advance.

It would make a complete mockery of the tournament if a country doesn't qualify from the group stages just because their last match is cancelled due to the weather.

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Which conveniently would also result in the hosts progressing to 1/4 finals by default.

England game cancelled and it's "wait and see" for the Scotland game.

Going out due to a Typhoon would give a while new meaning to "glorious failure"..

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

England game cancelled and it's "wait and see" for the Scotland game.

Going out due to a Typhoon would give a while new meaning to "glorious failure"..

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This also affects Italy.

Their game v New Zealand has been cancelled meaning Italy are out. The chances are they wouldn't have beaten New Zealand anyway but it's a shame they won't now have the chance to pull off a shock.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

This also affects Italy.

Their game v New Zealand has been cancelled meaning Italy are out. The chances are they wouldn't have beaten New Zealand anyway but it's a shame they won't now have the chance to pull off a shock.

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They’ll be delighted with a draw - best result in their history.

Seriously though there should be contingency - I know they’re not in control of the weather but they are in charge of having a contingency. It’s not as if theirs is an unexpected event - it’s the 19th of the season!

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Originally Posted by Gregor Townsend

The Ireland game cannot be postponed, it has to be played that day. If it cannot be played that day then it's two points for each team.

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Gregor Townsend has dug himself a massive hole with his comments a few days ago when it looked like the Ireland v Samoa game would be the one affected (and would have created an outcome that would have been a very useful result for Scotland).

He should have kept his trap shut, his comments are being thrown back at Scotland now that the shoe is on the other foot.

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Originally Posted by mayo hibee

Gregor Townsend has dug himself a massive hole with his comments a few days ago when it looked like the Ireland v Samoa game would be the one affected (and would have created an outcome that would have been a very useful result for Scotland).

He should have kept his trap shut, his comments are being thrown back at Scotland now that the shoe is on the other foot.

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why/how's that then :confused:

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Originally Posted by bringbackbenny

Which conveniently would also result in the hosts progressing to 1/4 finals by default.

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And winning the group and thereby avoiding New Zealand. However i think Japan want this game played as well

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Originally Posted by mayo hibee

Gregor Townsend has dug himself a massive hole with his comments a few days ago when it looked like the Ireland v Samoa game would be the one affected (and would have created an outcome that would have been a very useful result for Scotland).

He should have kept his trap shut, his comments are being thrown back at Scotland now that the shoe is on the other foot.

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What's happening has nothing whatsoever to do with anything that Townsend has said

No, but it weakens his argument/protestations that the Scotland game should go ahead. In his own words, if it can't be played on the day it will have to be called a draw.

Hopefully it will go ahead as the storm should have passed by then but you can see how the Japanese might be in no rush to fulfil the fixture and if transport systems etc. are not back fully running they will feel justified in calling it off and taking the two points needed to qualify.

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No, but it weakens his argument/protestations that the Scotland game should go ahead. In his own words, if it can't be played on the day it will have to be called a draw.

Hopefully it will go ahead as the storm should have passed by then but you can see how the Japanese might be in no rush to fulfil the fixture and if transport systems etc. are not back fully running they will feel justified in calling it off and taking the two points needed to qualify.

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Ultimately it is not going to matter what Townsend has said as a precedent has now been set anyway with the cancellation rather than rescheduling of 2 games.
As I said in my other posts, it would also mean Ireland coming 2nd in the group and getting NZ in the quarters, so I would suggest that it is very much in Irelands interest that the game gets played as well.

Surely a tournament loses all integrity if a crucial postponed game is just cancelled altogether and called a draw rather than rescheduled?

If the All Blacks were at risk of elimination would a game just be declared a draw? I doubt it.

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Surely a tournament loses all integrity if a crucial postponed game is just cancelled altogether and called a draw rather than rescheduled?

If the All Blacks were at risk of elimination would a game just be declared a draw? I doubt it.

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Agreed. They have only cancelled games that were fairly meaningless so far though (although I suppose France might’ve fancied topping the group).

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Originally Posted by Hibeesmad

Looking forward to the World Cup kicking off, I think the All Blacks will win it but there will be some fantastic spectacles. I've got an each way bet on Josh Adams to finish top goalscorer @ 25-1 paying 7 places.

Adams recently moved to Cardiff Blues from Worcester due to a Welsh Rugby Union rule that if you have less than 60 caps and don't play for a team in Wales, you do not get selected for the national team.

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Hat-trick for Mr Adams yesterday :cb

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Agreed. They have only cancelled games that were fairly meaningless so far though (although I suppose France might’ve fancied topping the group).

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Sergio Parisse would disagree https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...p-cancellation
While NZ would almost certainly have beaten Italy, you have to feel that his comment about what would have happened in the inverse scenario is spot on, which is why the cancellation undermines the integrity of the tournament

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Originally Posted by Mantis Toboggan

Sergio Parisse would disagree https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...p-cancellation
While NZ would almost certainly have beaten Italy, you have to feel that his comment about what would have happened in the inverse scenario is spot on, which is why the cancellation undermines the integrity of the tournament

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Steve Hansen coming across as a bit of **** in that article, perhaps not surprisingly.

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Originally Posted by Mantis Toboggan

Sergio Parisse would disagree https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...p-cancellation
While NZ would almost certainly have beaten Italy, you have to feel that his comment about what would have happened in the inverse scenario is spot on, which is why the cancellation undermines the integrity of the tournament

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:agree: it’s a fair point. There’s another player that’s worked hard through rehab to be fit for a short cameo in that match as well.

It’s a pity that NZ didn’t need the points cos we’d have seen a contingency then.

What a shambles - decision for the Scotland game is on Sunday which means there’s no time to play the game elsewhere. They should all be on a train just now to a place that’s safe - play the game behind closed doors in a stadium with a roof.

It’s been a very good World Cup so far but this will just make a massive mockery of the sport and it’s lack of sporting integrity if a nation is knocked out because of the weather!

Was only a kid back then but my dad mentioned that South Africa’s World Cup semi final in 95 was almost cancelled because of heavy rain and if it had been cancelled, France would have progressed to the final because they had a better disciplinary record than South Africa – that was to be the tie-breaker if necessary.

As 1-2 other posters have mentioned, if Sunday’s game was to affect England, New Zealand, Australia etc being knocked out because of the weather, you can bet your bottom dollar World Rugby will be doing everything they can to ensure the game was to go ahead.

I’ve got nothing against Japan as it is a beautiful country and the people are very nice and friendly over there. However it further begs the question why the f*** did they let Japan host this tournament, knowing that it is prone to typhoons and other adverse weather conditions during this time of the year? If the tournament was to be held in Japan, surely playing it in the summer would have been the more sensible decision.

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It’s been a very good World Cup so far but this will just make a massive mockery of the sport and it’s lack of sporting integrity if a nation is knocked out because of the weather!

Was only a kid back then but my dad mentioned that South Africa’s World Cup semi final in 95 was almost cancelled because of heavy rain and if it had been cancelled, France would have progressed to the final because they had a better disciplinary record than South Africa – that was to be the tie-breaker if necessary.

As 1-2 other posters have mentioned, if Sunday’s game was to affect England, New Zealand, Australia etc being knocked out because of the weather, you can bet your bottom dollar World Rugby will be doing everything they can to ensure the game was to go ahead.

I’ve got nothing against Japan as it is a beautiful country and the people are very nice and friendly over there. However it further begs the question why the f*** did they let Japan host this tournament, knowing that it is prone to typhoons and other adverse weather conditions during this time of the year? If the tournament was to be held in Japan, surely playing it in the summer would have been the more sensible decision.

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Playing it in our summer would mean it’d disrupt the Southern Hemisphere season though...

And I too was only a kid in 95 (honest) and I remember that. Sure the semi was played in a swimming pool - it would normally have been called off but better to crack on than rely on disciplinary records.

Different sport but I remember ROI going to the next stage of the football World Cup on the toss of a coin.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Playing it in our summer would mean it’d disrupt the Southern Hemisphere season though...

And I too was only a kid in 95 (honest) and I remember that. Sure the semi was played in a swimming pool - it would normally have been called off but better to crack on than rely on disciplinary records.

Different sport but I remember ROI going to the next stage of the football World Cup on the toss of a coin.

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That was because two teams were completely level after playing all the group games.

It is an absolute shambles to be honest. Surely they could have been moved to behind closed doors on say Monday at a stadium with a roof? Incredible there seems to be a rule that pool games cannot be moved which seems very random and specific. Apparently there have been 19 typhoons in this season.

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Steve Hansen coming across as a bit of **** in that article, perhaps not surprisingly.

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Certainly did. Ridiculous comments and hugely disrespectful to other teams. Hope they get horsed.

How can you possibly train for four years, preparing for the biggest tournament of your career and then get told your team's eliminated because of the weather?

There's six days between the Japan game and the Quarter Finals starting and even if the typhoon is bad on Sunday and the match can't go ahead, surely they could play it on Monday instead and whatever team progresses would still have enough rest before their Quarter Final.

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Playing it in our summer would mean it’d disrupt the Southern Hemisphere season though...

And I too was only a kid in 95 (honest) and I remember that. Sure the semi was played in a swimming pool - it would normally have been called off but better to crack on than rely on disciplinary records.

Different sport but I remember ROI going to the next stage of the football World Cup on the toss of a coin.

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Fair enough if it couldn’t be possible to stage it during the summer. But surely to God you would have had a couple of back up plans in place, just in case these situations arised which was always going to be very likely during this time of the year.

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

Fair enough if it couldn’t be possible to stage it during the summer. But surely to God you would have had a couple of back up plans in place, just in case these situations arised which was always going to be very likely during this time of the year.

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It is possible but they hardly ever do it. I can only remember the 1995 WC being played in May/June all the others have been October/November - which I assume to be to suit the Southern Hemisphere teams.

Total shambles. No integrity at all in the sport after this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50008474

Sorry Mr Jones, you wouldn’t be saying that if it was England that found themselves in Scotland’s position. All it does is show a lack of sporting integrity and makes a massive mockery of the sport on its very own biggest stage.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

How can you possibly train for four years, preparing for the biggest tournament of your career and then get told your team's eliminated because of the weather?

There's six days between the Japan game and the Quarter Finals starting and even if the typhoon is bad on Sunday and the match can't go ahead, surely they could play it on Monday instead and whatever team progresses would still have enough rest before their Quarter Final.

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Agree they know the time of year they were playing in so some contingency should have been built in. Can't see it going ahead to be honest which would be shambolic for the tournament. You can bet your bottom dollar they would be moving heaven and earth if one of the bigger teams or probably even Japan was going to go out in this way.

Good to hear Mark Dodson taking a robust attitude to this on the radio this morning, questioning why it isn't possible to play the game on Monday. The organisers have dug their heels in but the SRU have asked a QC to look at the agreement they have with World Rugby.

If the game doesn't go ahead I think we say to them, right, we start the next World Cup with 4 points.

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Originally Posted by The Pointer

Good to hear Mark Dodson taking a robust attitude to this on the radio this morning, questioning why it isn't possible to play the game on Monday. The organisers have dug their heels in but the SRU have asked a QC to look at the agreement they have with World Rugby.

If the game doesn't go ahead I think we say to them, right, we start the next World Cup with 4 points.

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They could make a decision earlier and move the game to somewhere that won’t be affected - play it at the scheduled time and behind closed doors if need be.

I’m not sure about starting the next one with 4 points is an option though - that’d just make a farce of 2 tournaments. I’d prefer a by to the final.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCSPORTN...49916339470336

The pitch for Ireland - Samoa game tomorrow looks horrendous. Injuries galore.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCSPORTN...49916339470336

The pitch for Ireland - Samoa game tomorrow looks horrendous. Injuries galore.

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Is that Tynecastle?

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Is that Tynecastle?

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Looks too small a ground to be Tynecastle.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

They could make a decision earlier and move the game to somewhere that won’t be affected - play it at the scheduled time and behind closed doors if need be.

I’m not sure about starting the next one with 4 points is an option though - that’d just make a farce of 2 tournaments. I’d prefer a by to the final.

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Absolutely correct.

The unknown factor is the possible damage to the infrastructure (roads, bridges, railways, buildings etc) which can't be repaired within 24 hours. However I can't see any reason why the game can't be moved to another part of Japan which hasn't been affected by the tornado.

I wonder if the same scenario would have played out if it was the case that Scotland had the narrowest of advantages going into the game v Japan? I think not.

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Originally Posted by hfc rd

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50008474

Sorry Mr Jones, you wouldn’t be saying that if it was England that found themselves in Scotland’s position. All it does is show a lack of sporting integrity and makes a massive mockery of the sport on its very own biggest stage.

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Absolute clown. Really hope that Australia annihilate them.

The projected typhoon track takes it right through Yokohama on the Saturday where the game is due to be played on Sunday. I guess it is a wait and see what damage has been caused rather than the weather affecting the game, but it could and should go ahead at another venue or behind closed doors. Imagine the scenario that Samoa beat Ireland :greengrin and Scotland is awarded the 2 points as the game is cancelled. Assume Ireland still get a bonus point and so are on 12 points, Scotland would also be on 12 points. We would be out because of the defeat to Ireland :rolleyes:

Eddie Jones - "It's typhoon season, so you go somewhere else and it's terrorists season. You know what's going to happen”.

What an utter bellend! Guy really is a Grade A prick.

The ludicrous assertion I keep seeing in NZ is “well you just should’ve beat Ireland and you wouldn’t be in this position”. That is the kind of apathy being shown here in many quarters. The whole thing is bugging me more than I ever thought I could be bugged by rugby!

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The ludicrous assertion I keep seeing in NZ is “well you just should’ve beat Ireland and you wouldn’t be in this position”. That is the kind of apathy being shown here in many quarters. The whole thing is bugging me more than I ever thought I could be bugged by rugby!

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It’s like they don’t understand 2 teams get out of the group in the World Cup.

Just shows they don’t care about the integrity of the game - they’re just happy to have to play 1 less game and get an extra week off before the QF.

Didn’t see the Australia vs Georgia game earlier today. Just the extended highlights and reading the match report, it’s been labelled as an “unimpressive win”.

Tomorrow, instead of 3 matches, it’s just the one game on what looks set to be played on an awful pitch - Ireland vs Samoa.

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-unio...saturday-night

Not holding my breath but fingers crossed! 🤞🏾

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Didn’t see the Australia vs Georgia game earlier today. Just the extended highlights and reading the match report, it’s been labelled as an “unimpressive win”.

Tomorrow, instead of 3 matches, it’s just the one game on what looks set to be played on an awful pitch - Ireland vs Samoa.

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Did you see the video of the Ireland player lifting the turf and “burying” the ball under it?

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Did you see the video of the Ireland player lifting the turf and “burying” the ball under it?

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Yep. Both teams will be lucky to escape without any injuries.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCSPORTNI/status/1182549916339470336

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It’s like they don’t understand 2 teams get out of the group in the World Cup.

Just shows they don’t care about the integrity of the game - they’re just happy to have to play 1 less game and get an extra week off before the QF.

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Genuine comments on Facebook and the like that we “only have ourselves to blame”! Mental.

hope greig laidlaw gets the chance to captain scotland in what could possibly be his last international game, we're certainly going to miss his kicking




Italians understandably not very happy at missing out against the all blacks https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...New%20Zealand.



kin farce

Japan’s training session this morning/afternoon:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OliverTre...49399371599873

Found it brilliant the way the Japanese players all made their way through it differently. Some just walked through it with no problem like Leitch while Nagare used the bench and door to not get wet above knee level 😂

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Japan’s training session this morning/afternoon:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OliverTre...49399371599873

Found it brilliant the way the Japanese players all made their way through it differently. Some just walked through it with no problem like Leitch while Nagare used the bench and door to not get wet above knee level 😂

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Theyre lucky not to get electrocuted there tbh

I think a lot of people are getting themselves hysterical (not on here, but in general) about a rugby match, when Japan is sitting in the path of what could be their worst typhoon in over 60 years. This thing could quite easily result in thousands of fatalities and thousands more being displaced, yet a large part of the focus is on us. I agree with World Rugby - the talk of legal action isn't helpful. We all signed up to the competition rules and accepted the risk of playing a RWC in a country that's subject to significant storms at this time of the year (the madness of choosing Japan with this knowledge is a different discussion). Even if WR took a "common sense" approach and moved it x00 miles away, or played it a few days later...this is likely going to be a major national emergency, and the days after this thing makes landfill will see the Japanese authorities/people dealing with disruption on a monumental scale - I doubt anyone will/should be thinking about rugby in the wake of that, especially the Japanese team who will undoubtedly be impacted by the devastation this thing will likely bring.

Is it going to suck if this is how we exit the competition? Absolutely. Is it a farce that this situation has been allowed to develop by choosing to play the World Cup in this locale during their typhoon season? Completely.

I'm also growing weary already of the suggestion that World Rugby wouldn't impose the rules if it were a New Zealand, England or Australia etc facing elimination. It's baseless, and it just sounds like a major chip on the shoulder.

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I think a lot of people are getting themselves hysterical (not on here, but in general) about a rugby match, when Japan is sitting in the path of what could be their worst typhoon in over 60 years. This thing could quite easily result in thousands of fatalities and thousands more being displaced, yet a large part of the focus is on us. I agree with World Rugby - the talk of legal action isn't helpful. We all signed up to the competition rules and accepted the risk of playing a RWC in a country that's subject to significant storms at this time of the year (the madness of choosing Japan with this knowledge is a different discussion). Even if WR took a "common sense" approach and moved it x00 miles away, or played it a few days later...this is likely going to be a major national emergency, and the days after this thing makes landfill will see the Japanese authorities/people dealing with disruption on a monumental scale - I doubt anyone will/should be thinking about rugby in the wake of that, especially the Japanese team who will undoubtedly be impacted by the devastation this thing will likely bring.

Is it going to suck if this is how we exit the competition? Absolutely. Is it a farce that this situation has been allowed to develop by choosing to play the World Cup in this locale during their typhoon season? Completely.

I'm also growing weary already of the suggestion that World Rugby wouldn't impose the rules if it were a New Zealand, England or Australia etc facing elimination. It's baseless, and it just sounds like a major chip on the shoulder.

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Totally agree with you on the legal action threat, absolutely ridiculous from the Scottish Rugby Union, and completely lacking in sensitivity as well due to the potential catastrophe that's possiblly unfolding.

The rules about cancelling a match are very sensible if a match has to be cancelled due to a sudden unexpected issue. When we have known for days of the potential to the area then it is a disgrace that there was no plan to move the game to another city or delay the game. That is not only the Scotland game but the NZ v Italy and the England v France games as well.

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Totally agree with you on the legal action threat, absolutely ridiculous from the Scottish Rugby Union, and completely lacking in sensitivity as well due to the potential catastrophe that's possiblly unfolding.

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Where have they said they are unsympathetic to the situation the people of the area are in. It is nothing to do with Japan, the Japanese, the area, or even the weather and everything to do with completely inept management of the situation by World Rugby

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Where have they said they are unsympathetic to the situation the people of the area are in. It is nothing to do with Japan, the Japanese, the area, or even the weather and everything to do with completely inept management of the situation by World Rugby

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In the context of what's unfolding its massively insensitive. Squabbling over getting financial compensation (because that's what legal action is about, let's be honest) when there's thousands of lives at risk. Keep your mouths shut till after the event.

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In the context of what's unfolding its massively insensitive. Squabbling over getting financial compensation (because that's what legal action is about, let's be honest) when there's thousands of lives at risk. Keep your mouths shut till after the event.

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I don't see where it's about a financial situation at all. It's about the right to progress to the next stage of the tournament on the pitch. World rugby are potentially taking that away from Scotland through poor planning and management. They have already done it to Italy, even though that was unlikely to happen they never had the chance to compete to see if they could qualify. Again I cannot stress enough that being given almost a full week to arrange a suitable alternative they are actually waiting till game day to make a decision. A completely disgraceful way to manage anything.
I have, as I'm sure everyone connected to the SRU will too, the greatest sympathy for anyone who has to contend with living in the area during or after the typhoon. It doesn't make the WR mismanagement any more acceptable

That pitch looks absolutely horrendous! Apparently big lumps of turf were already coming up when Samoa were practicing scrums during their warm up!

Real risk of injuries.

Makes a joke of the competition.

Six nations should be changed as well, final games should all be at the same time.

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I don't see where it's about a financial situation at all. It's about the right to progress to the next stage of the tournament on the pitch. World rugby are potentially taking that away from Scotland through poor planning and management. They have already done it to Italy, even though that was unlikely to happen they never had the chance to compete to see if they could qualify. Again I cannot stress enough that being given almost a full week to arrange a suitable alternative they are actually waiting till game day to make a decision. A completely disgraceful way to manage anything.
I have, as I'm sure everyone connected to the SRU will too, the greatest sympathy for anyone who has to contend with living in the area during or after the typhoon. It doesn't make the WR mismanagement any more acceptable

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Assuming this unfolding disaster is as bad as it looks like it could be, who in Japan is going to be concerned about a rugby match?

You could move it to the furthest point from where landfall is due: if thousands of people are killed and thousands more displaced, it’s going to be a state of national emergency. Moving it is putting a plaster over a tumour. My only thought is why Japan were awarded the competition given the known seasonality of typhoons. Having said that, one of this magnitude is an extremely rare event and the only thought anyone in Japan should have is for their safety.

SRU need to realise the gravity of what’s heading toward Japan. This thing is enormous and the impacts make a game of rugby seem meaningless.

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Assuming this unfolding disaster is as bad as it looks like it could be, who in Japan is going to be concerned about a rugby match?

You could move it to the furthest point from where landfall is due: if thousands of people are killed and thousands more displaced, it’s going to be a state of national emergency. Moving it is putting a plaster over a tumour. My only thought is why Japan were awarded the competition given the known seasonality of typhoons. Having said that, one of this magnitude is an extremely rare event and the only thought anyone in Japan should have is for their safety.

SRU need to realise the gravity of what’s heading toward Japan. This thing is enormous and the impacts make a game of rugby seem meaningless.

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So just call a halt to the whole competition. That would actually be better than penalising some teams

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Assuming this unfolding disaster is as bad as it looks like it could be, who in Japan is going to be concerned about a rugby match?

You could move it to the furthest point from where landfall is due: if thousands of people are killed and thousands more displaced, it’s going to be a state of national emergency. Moving it is putting a plaster over a tumour. My only thought is why Japan were awarded the competition given the known seasonality of typhoons. Having said that, one of this magnitude is an extremely rare event and the only thought anyone in Japan should have is for their safety.

SRU need to realise the gravity of what’s heading toward Japan. This thing is enormous and the impacts make a game of rugby seem meaningless.

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Given the scenario you describe, and I have little reason to argue it's inaccurate, is a postponement of games for 1 or 2 days really adequate or suitably sensitive?

In a state of national emergency with thousands killed and/or displaced surely you enter territory in which the recovery period is measured in months and as such the entire tournament just becomes an unnecessary distraction? Perhaps it would be best just to postpone the entire event.

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Given the scenario you describe, and I have little reason to argue it's inaccurate, is a postponement of games for 1 or 2 days really adequate or suitably sensitive?

In a state of national emergency with thousands killed and/or displaced surely you enter territory in which the recovery period is measured in months and as such the entire tournament just becomes an unnecessary distraction? Perhaps it would be best just to postpone the entire event.

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Exactly. It's either a national disaster and will be defined as one so sport is very much an afterthought or its manageable and you put contingency plans in place, as they have known about the typhoon for about a week, such as moving games to other places or delaying them by a day or two. What World Rugby have done is to disadvantage some of the relative minnows in the game rather than planning and managing the situation.

The eye of the typhoon has passed to the north of Tokyo and Nagasaki so news should be coming out of Japan as to the level of damage later today.

Current situation at the airport

https://www.webcamtaxi.com/en/japan/...i-airport.html

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Assuming this unfolding disaster is as bad as it looks like it could be, who in Japan is going to be concerned about a rugby match?

You could move it to the furthest point from where landfall is due: if thousands of people are killed and thousands more displaced, it’s going to be a state of national emergency. Moving it is putting a plaster over a tumour. My only thought is why Japan were awarded the competition given the known seasonality of typhoons. Having said that, one of this magnitude is an extremely rare event and the only thought anyone in Japan should have is for their safety.

SRU need to realise the gravity of what’s heading toward Japan. This thing is enormous and the impacts make a game of rugby seem meaningless.

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The argument about sport being a lot less important than many people potentially being killed, injured or made homeless as a result of this storm goes without saying.

However the point still stands that even if this storm does do its very worst, the rugby World Cup will still be played to a conclusion and the point being made is that some teams are potentially going to be denied the chance to progress as far as they can due to one of their matches being cancelled.

I agree that every team signed up to play knowing the rules in advance and knew that they were playing in a country that is prone to experiencing typhoons at this time of year but I can still understand why teams would be angry at being eliminated in this way, whilst still being able to put things in perspective and having the utmost sympathy for the Japanese people affected by this storm.

Bit of positive news regarding the game although we await World Rugby’s decision if it is totally safe for it to go ahead

https://mobile.twitter.com/dannychoo...43414792630272

https://mobile.twitter.com/HnakoDoro...47125568876545

https://mobile.twitter.com/stuartker...23990710734848

Any action taken from the SRU is going to be seen as nothing but negative. If it doesn't go ahead then we should keep quiet. It's galling to go out of two world cups in a row on circumstances outside of how we played.
I hope it's played but the world press won't paint a pretty picture of Scotland if we complain given that there has been fatalities.

It's just bloody typical of Scotland.