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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I can't think of any of their players who are worth money to a buying club. The better players they have are all out of contract in the summer.

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They only have to be worth >1 month's wages.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Nah, their players may be thick as pig**** but they'll have agents (and they can't all be represented by Medals :wink:). I would think there'll be some scheme involved where the deferred wages can be made up from enlarged cuts of transfer fees or being given frees so they can pocket bigger signing on fees at new clubs.

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Neither of the solutions you suggest might be used by hmfc would result in the SPL chasing them for late wages. They've got round it - SPL don't care.

According to the Scotsman they have to raise an additional £250k by mid December on top of the other amounts, the Yams better get the flour & face paint out again. :greengrin

Hearts must find another £250,000 to pay players

HEARTS must raise an additional £250,000 by the middle of next month in order to avoid further disciplinary action from the Scottish Premier League, The Scotsman understands.

The money is required to pay two months’ salaries to playing staff, who agreed to defer their November wages until next month.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...yers-1-2650243

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Originally Posted by YehButNo But

According to the Scotsman they have to raise an additional £250k by mid December on top of the other amounts, the Yams better get the flour & face paint out again. :greengrin

Hearts must find another £250,000 to pay players

HEARTS must raise an additional £250,000 by the middle of next month in order to avoid further disciplinary action from the Scottish Premier League, The Scotsman understands.

The money is required to pay two months’ salaries to playing staff, who agreed to defer their November wages until next month.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...yers-1-2650243

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The spl won't impose any meaningful sanctions as they won't want to be seen as the ones who put the final nail in the coffin

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

The spl won't impose any meaningful sanctions as they won't want to be seen as the ones who put the final nail in the coffin

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They will hit them with the relevant sanctions as per the new rules.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

They will hit them with the relevant sanctions as per the new rules.

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I think that will depend on what the next set of sanctions are if they are something that would possibly tip them over the edge then they won't impose them and lets face it if it were any club other than hearts we would probably agree with them

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I think that will depend on what the next set of sanctions are if they are something that would possibly tip them over the edge then they won't impose them and lets face it if it were any club other than hearts we would probably agree with them

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I would expect an extension of the signing embargo and possibly a suspended points deduction.

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Originally Posted by dangermouse

I would expect an extension of the signing embargo and possibly a suspended points deduction.

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Who would sign for them in this state

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Who would sign for them in this state

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You'd be surprised, beattie signed for them last season amongst all the wage problems, albeit they weren't in as bad a state as they are now.

Skacel would bend over and even put their cock in his hole for them to help out

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Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital

You'd be surprised, beattie signed for them last season amongst all the wage problems, albeit they weren't in as bad a state as they are now.

Skacel would bend over and even put their cock in his hole for them to help out

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I think Beattie was paid in full up front, and this contributed to the late payments the following month.

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Originally Posted by #FromTheCapital

You'd be surprised, beattie signed for them last season amongst all the wage problems, albeit they weren't in as bad a state as they are now.

Skacel would bend over and even put their cock in his hole for them to help out

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:agree:And don't forget about 'thicky' Stevenson

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Originally Posted by dangermouse

I would expect an extension of the signing embargo and possibly a suspended points deduction.

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Your probably right with that as its a punishment that doesn't actually punish them

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I think that will depend on what the next set of sanctions are if they are something that would possibly tip them over the edge then they won't impose them and lets face it if it were any club other than hearts we would probably agree with them

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The transfer embargo is basically saving them from themselves and isn't a punishment as such. One that wouldn't tip them over the financial edge would be to ban them from playing any unpaid players. This reduces the unfair quality advantage in their team and would also be a deterrant to any player signing for them in the knowledge his career might suffer, would also make them less likely to accept wage deferrals.

Why are authorities in this country so scared to issue a sanction which is actually a punishment.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

The transfer embargo is basically saving them from themselves and isn't a punishment as such. One that wouldn't tip them over the financial edge would be to ban them from playing any unpaid players. This reduces the unfair quality advantage in their team and would also be a deterrant to any player signing for them in the knowledge his career might suffer, would also make them less likely to accept wage deferrals.

Why are authorities in this country so scared to issue a sanction which is actually a punishment.

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For me its simple if you don't pay a player you can't play him no need for hearings or complicated legislation everyone knows where they stand

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

The transfer embargo is basically saving them from themselves and isn't a punishment as such. One that wouldn't tip them over the financial edge would be to ban them from playing any unpaid players. This reduces the unfair quality advantage in their team and would also be a deterrant to any player signing for them in the knowledge his career might suffer, would also make them less likely to accept wage deferrals.

Why are authorities in this country so scared to issue a sanction which is actually a punishment.

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This would be the most fair punishment although they would probably struggle to get a full team, which could provoke another hilarious statement on their website asking for people to volunteer :greengrin

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Originally Posted by clerriehibs

You'd think ... but the players have signed "adjusted contracts", and I suspect those contracts aren't definitive about how long the deferral may be.

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I don't believe the players have signed anything. Yams announced they were on " amended contracts" purely to get them off the hook.

Agreed. It happened too quickly.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Who would sign for them in this state

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Scatchel :agree:

I'm still absolutely howling at the fact a club as *massive* as Hearts are relying on making Banoffee f*****g Pies just to try and stay alive.

'We're in severe financial turmoil.....I know, let's make a trifle, motherf*****s!!!!'

Mental.

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Originally Posted by brog

I don't believe the players have signed anything. Yams announced they were on " amended contracts" purely to get them off the hook.

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If this is true, then the players must still be on prevoous contracts, so WTF is the spl doing about it? Bunch of friggin inepts.

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Originally Posted by brog

I don't believe the players have signed anything. Yams announced they were on " amended contracts" purely to get them off the hook.

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and no doubt then told they would be named and shamed if they kicked up and Hearts ended up going bust.

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Originally Posted by clerriehibs

If this is true, then the players must still be on prevoous contracts, so WTF is the spl doing about it? Bunch of friggin inepts.

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The SPL can only go on what information is given to them, not what is hypothesised on a message board. If HMFC are telling porkies about the deferrals, one would expect that the SPFA would have advised the SPL by now.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

The SPL can only go on what information is given to them, not what is hypothesised on a message board. If HMFC are telling porkies about the deferrals, one would expect that the SPFA would have advised the SPL by now.

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Not quite true - they're currently 'investigating' old rangers, and i'm sure they have the grounds to closely monitor player wages at hearts.

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Originally Posted by clerriehibs

Not quite true - they're currently 'investigating' old rangers, and i'm sure they have the grounds to closely monitor player wages at hearts.

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They are investigating Rangers because the case was made against them in the public domain, and so was available to the SPL.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

They are investigating Rangers because the case was made against them in the public domain, and so was available to the SPL.

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They are also on hearts case for unpaid wages - and I believe no-one has to raise a formal complaint to the spl about not getting their money anymore.

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Originally Posted by clerriehibs

They are also on hearts case for unpaid wages - and I believe no-one has to raise a formal complaint to the spl about not getting their money anymore.

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Sorry, don't get your point. If their understanding (either by HMFC telling them, or by their own investigations) is that there has been a deferral, then there's nothing more that they can do. However, if it then becomes apparent (eg by a player or the SPFA telling them) that it isn't a voluntary deferral, then there is a case to answer.

Remember, too, that it appears that not all of the players agreed to the deferral. If that's the case, then the deferral is entirely voluntary and, IMO, there is no case.

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

The transfer embargo is basically saving them from themselves and isn't a punishment as such. One that wouldn't tip them over the financial edge would be to ban them from playing any unpaid players. This reduces the unfair quality advantage in their team and would also be a deterrant to any player signing for them in the knowledge his career might suffer, would also make them less likely to accept wage deferrals.

Why are authorities in this country so scared to issue a sanction which is actually a punishment.

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The sanction should be plain and simple - if a player isn't paid, then he cannot play. How difficult can this be ?

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Originally Posted by Onion

The sanction should be plain and simple - if a player isn't paid, then he cannot play. How difficult can this be ?

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That may be the next step in terms of setting the rules. However, the SPFA may have some reservations.... eg, what happens if the player is subject to a club fine, and isn't due any wages for that week/month?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Sorry, don't get your point. If their understanding (either by HMFC telling them, or by their own investigations) is that there has been a deferral, then there's nothing more that they can do. However, if it then becomes apparent (eg by a player or the SPFA telling them) that it isn't a voluntary deferral, then there is a case to answer.

Remember, too, that it appears that not all of the players agreed to the deferral. If that's the case, then the deferral is entirely voluntary and, IMO, there is no case.

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But you say it appears not all of the players accepted deferral - if there's even one in conflict with hmfc, then they are in breach.

And my point is, as hearts are already in a posirion of receiving penalties for late wages, and if the players no longer have to complain about non-payment, then the spl are entitled, or even obliged to, ask the offending club - "have you paid wages as per the contracts we have copies of?"

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

That may be the next step in terms of setting the rules. However, the SPFA may have some reservations.... eg, what happens if the player is subject to a club fine, and isn't due any wages for that week/month?

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He is due - fines would be a "normal" deduction and they can only fine after tax due.

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Originally Posted by clerriehibs

But you say it appears not all of the players accepted deferral - if there's even one in conflict with hmfc, then they are in breach.

And my point is, as hearts are already in a posirion of receiving penalties for late wages, and if the players no longer have to complain about non-payment, then the spl are entitled, or even obliged to, ask the offending club - "have you paid wages as per the contracts we have copies of?"

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The ones who didn't accept the deferral were paid, as I understand it. Therefore there is no breach.

I think Hearts' defence to the second point is that the contracts were amended. Presumably, although I am not sure, those amended contracts will be lodged with the SPL.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

The ones who didn't accept the deferral were paid, as I understand it. Therefore there is no breach.

I think Hearts' defence to the second point is that the contracts were amended. Presumably, although I am not sure, those amended contracts will be lodged with the SPL.

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But only acceptable to the spl if signed - which some on here doubt

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Originally Posted by clerriehibs

But only acceptable to the spl if signed - which some on here doubt

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The SPL have already publicly acknowledged the contract amendments.

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Originally Posted by Onion

The sanction should be plain and simple - if a player isn't paid, then he cannot play. How difficult can this be ?

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Agree in principal, however this would probably lead to clubs deciding not to pay the wages of administrative staff, youth players, coaches etc. instead of high earners so that they can still play a strong team. Unfortunately this would have a greater impact on the people who can least afford to go without wages for a couple of months.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

The SPL have already publicly acknowledged the contract amendments.

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They have indeed but I doubt very much if anyone has requested or seen a written contract amendment. As Mikey says, it happened far too quickly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-20446382

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...iness-20446382

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82% of businesses are running smoothly and sensibly, while 18% of businesses are hanging on for their lives, or their half (zombie) lives.


I wonder which percent group the yams fall under.








































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(I was very bored before anybody asks. :greengrin )

Ma wife works am awright McGlynn said he wants to see 1m raised .. where are all these different targets being plucked from?
He also said he would defer his wages again if required.

Hope this whole **** circus has its lights put out for good by end of the year.

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Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague

Ma wife works am awright McGlynn said he wants to see 1m raised .. where are all these different targets being plucked from?
He also said he would defer his wages again if required.

Hope this whole **** circus has its lights put out for good by end of the year.

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Looks like they may make it to the end of the year unless they are telling porkies about the amount of money they have raised.
That means we will have at least 2 more games against them while they are on financial steroids.
Still think we will beat them.

So when were/are the payments due that they are meant to be making by early December?

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Originally Posted by Sergio sledge

Agree in principal, however this would probably lead to clubs deciding not to pay the wages of administrative staff, youth players, coaches etc. instead of high earners so that they can still play a strong team. Unfortunately this would have a greater impact on the people who can least afford to go without wages for a couple of months.

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I am quietely confident this will be a major problematic area for the gorgie mob.if they have somehow got background staff,young players, fringe players to agree to defer, it will soon start to hurt most of these people in their pocket. in this day and age it's bloody hard to survive financially and a lot of them may have set their lifestyle up to have a fairly big house, good car etc. we'll see at the start of next year I suppose, but I do think some will be in touch with the players union soon. I am waiting with baited breath, to hear what F.Wishart has to say.

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Originally Posted by monktonharp

I am quietely confident this will be a major problematic area for the gorgie mob.if they have somehow got background staff,young players, fringe players to agree to defer, it will soon start to hurt most of these people in their pocket. in this day and age it's bloody hard to survive financially and a lot of them may have set their lifestyle up to have a fairly big house, good car etc. we'll see at the start of next year I suppose, but I do think some will be in touch with the players union soon. I am waiting with baited breath, to hear what F.Wishart has to say.

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I'm not confident of anything re Hearts or Rangers so I'll save my hopes for Hibs.

Just had a look on the Yam official site to see if any mention is made of HMRC getting paid the tax and NI for October, but not a mention.

I did see Zaliukius won the October " Wonga Player of the Month Award ". That must be embarrassing even for a Lith. :greengrin

There is also breaking news that more tickets for their end at the cup-tie at ER. will be on sale first thing tomorrow morning. Just a thought, if they were to go tits up,would we be responsible for the VAT on the tickets or for refunds to any Yams should the game not go ahead ?

I just think if they had settled one HMRC bill they would have been shouting it from the roof tops if only to placate the few Yam Doubting Thomases that must exist out there.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Just had a look on the Yam official site to see if any mention is made of HMRC getting paid the tax and NI for October, but not a mention.

I did see Zaliukius won the October " Wonga Player of the Month Award ". That must be embarrassing even for a Lith. :greengrin

There is also breaking news that more tickets for their end at the cup-tie at ER. will be on sale first thing tomorrow morning. Just a thought, if they were to go tits up,would we be responsible for the VAT on the tickets or for refunds to any Yams should the game not go ahead ?

I just think if they had settled one HMRC bill they would have shouting it from the roof tops if only to placate the few Yam Doubting Thomases that must exist out there.

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If we keep the cash, we're due the VAT.

As for refunds, if we have the cash from the Yams, we're probably due to pay refunds. If we haven't had it, then it's up to the supporters to make a claim in the liquidation.

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Originally Posted by brog

I don't believe the players have signed anything. Yams announced they were on " amended contracts" purely to get them off the hook.

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Hearts held a gun to their head. Defer your wages or the club goes bust and you will see nothing.

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

So when were/are the payments due that they are meant to be making by early December?

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A week on Monday, 3rd December.

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Originally Posted by jgl07

Hearts held a gun to their head. Defer your wages or the club goes bust and you will see nothing.

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... which is not right. They would be second in the queue, behind the liquidator.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

If we keep the cash, we're due the VAT.

As for refunds, if we have the cash from the Yams, we're probably due to pay refunds. If we haven't had it, then it's up to the supporters to make a claim in the liquidation.

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Could there not be a claim that Hearts were acting as our agents in selling the the tickets for what is really "our " match. We are due the VAT and refunds and we have to then claim the liquidator.

It would be worth it though, I think. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Could there not be a claim that Hearts were acting as our agents in selling the the tickets for what is really "our " match. We are due the VAT and refunds and we have to then claim the liquidator.

It would be worth it though, I think. :greengrin

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Why? We wouldn't get it.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Could there not be a claim that Hearts were acting as our agents in selling the the tickets for what is really "our " match. We are due the VAT and refunds and we have to then claim the liquidator.

It would be worth it though, I think. :greengrin

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But with them getting half the gate where would we come into it though ;)

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Could there not be a claim that Hearts were acting as our agents in selling the the tickets for what is really "our " match. We are due the VAT and refunds and we have to then claim the liquidator.

It would be worth it though, I think. :greengrin

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No, the game is under the auspices of the SFA, so Hibs, and to an extent Hearts, would surely be considered agents of the SFA.



Anyway, the game will go ahead, in spite of all our wishful thinking, so it's all hypothetical. I still see them scraping by until January but then it could be all down to how many players they can offload as to whether they see out the rest of the season.

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Originally Posted by jgl07

Hearts held a gun to their head. Defer your wages or the club goes bust and you will see nothing.

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source? :wink: but I do see what your thinking. suppose many people over the years have had that put to them if they were employed by a company facing "cash flow" problems.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Why? We wouldn't get it.

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No, but we would'nt have to put up with the scarf twirling, big team ,big headed tossers anymore either.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

No, but we would'nt have to put up with the scarf twirling, big team ,big headed tossers anymore either.

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I'm not getting you. If they're getting liquidated anyway, why would we put ourselves in a position where we might be even more out of pocket?

Gonny write it down slowly, please? I am tired tonight. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I'm not getting you. If they're getting liquidated anyway, why would we put ourselves in a position where we might be even more out of pocket?

Gonny write it down slowly, please? I am tired tonight. :greengrin

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Sorry, just silly thoughts going through my head.

1) Yams are selling tickets for the Cup tie at ER and have the cash.

2) Yams go tits up before game takes place and are still holding cash.

3) VAT man says,you sold tickets for match through an agent ( the Yams ) who has screwed you , but I still want my tax.

4) Yam says I bought ticket for match at ER which has not gone ahead and I want my money back.

Not going to happen anyway, so rest your weary head. :wink:

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Originally Posted by greenginger

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I'm not getting you. If they're getting liquidated anyway, why would we put ourselves in a position where we might be even more out of pocket?

Gonny write it down slowly, please? I am tired tonight. :greengrin

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Sorry, just silly thoughts going through my head.

1) Yams are selling tickets for the Cup tie at ER and have the cash.

2) Yams go tits up before game takes place and are still holding cash.

3) VAT man says,you sold tickets for match through an agent ( the Yams ) who has screwed you , but I still want my tax.

4) Yam says I bought ticket for match at ER which has not gone ahead and I want my money back.

Not going to happen anyway, so rest your weary head. :wink:

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Yam would claim refunds from the liquidator. Hibbies claim from us.

VAT man wouldn't have a claim from us, since we refunded all the money we received. He might have a claim in the liquidation, but he'd get nowt.

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

No, the game is under the auspices of the SFA, so Hibs, and to an extent Hearts, would surely be considered agents of the SFA.



Anyway, the game will go ahead, in spite of all our wishful thinking, so it's all hypothetical. I still see them scraping by until January but then it could be all down to how many players they can offload as to whether they see out the rest of the season.

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I reckon they'll get through to the end of the season after shifting a load of players.

It wouldn't surprise me if they discover a few wonder kids and sell them off for millions 6-12 months later. That's why they need to die now!

The £250,000 they have to bring up to date by 16th Dec cannot be their full wage bill but must represent the amount they persuaded the top earners to forgo. Which means that by mid December they actually have to find about £750,000. And pay the tax bill.
How much have they raised?

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Originally Posted by VickMackie

I reckon they'll get through to the end of the season after shifting a load of players.

It wouldn't surprise me if they discover a few wonder kids and sell them off for millions 6-12 months later. That's why they need to die now!

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No chance, any wonder kids they might of had would've been scared off by Rix and Thomson

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Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague

Ma wife works am awright McGlynn said he wants to see 1m raised .. where are all these different targets being plucked from?
He also said he would defer his wages again if required.

Hope this whole **** circus has its lights put out for good by end of the year.

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Also bletherin on about the Yams in the war again and McCrae's battalion :rolleyes:

Good on ye Yams, if it wasn't for you lot we would be getting governed from Berlin :rolleyes:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...s-gave-1451163

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Originally Posted by jgl07

Hearts held a gun to their head. Defer your wages or the club goes bust and you will see nothing.

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I'm sure you're right & I'm also sure the players did agree to defer their wages for a month. What I believe is inconceivable is Yams actually producing written & signed contract amendments to that effect. If that was case they'd be doing an amendment every week or two!! IMO Yams just told SPL the players had amended their contracts & SPL ( unfortunately fairly understandably ) used that as excuse to delay taking further action & pushing Yams over the edge. Don't worry though, an avalanche is pretty hard to stop particularly when the only thing in it's way is a pile of fairy cakes!

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Originally Posted by VickMackie

I reckon they'll get through to the end of the season after shifting a load of players.

It wouldn't surprise me if they discover a few wonder kids and sell them off for millions 6-12 months later. That's why they need to die now!

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Don't fret, they've not got any wonder kids - they do have some very good youngsters though, so if they survive which they will in my opinion, they'll have some good kids to bring on - clearly the danger will be inconsistency but it will be very much like Mowbray's Hibs teams - they don't however possess talent like Brown, Riordan and Fletcher though.

They signed a young 15 year old recently who is a terrific young player and who apparently strolled through the Scotland trials - Hibs were in for him but the lad is a Hearts fan.

Believe it or not it's teams like Livingston that are nurturing some great talent at the moment. Hibs have got a couple of cracking young kids on their books too, but the competitiveness to get youngsters signed up is just as intense at youth level as it is at senior level.

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Originally Posted by poolman

Also bletherin on about the Yams in the war again and McCrae's battalion :rolleyes:

Good on ye Yams, if it wasn't for you lot we would be getting governed from Berlin :rolleyes:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...s-gave-1451163

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That is utterly shameful - mentioning the war dead in the same sentence as overpaid players from a corrupt club who bought into a crackpot crook`s bs and are paying the price for living beyond their means. Dreadful. Hearts class.

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Originally Posted by poolman

Also bletherin on about the Yams in the war again and McCrae's battalion :rolleyes:

Good on ye Yams, if it wasn't for you lot we would be getting governed from Berlin :rolleyes:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...s-gave-1451163

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When did the Jamtards become so obsessed about winning the wars - I can't remember them making such a big deal about it until the memorial at Haymarket was removed for the fekkin tram works a couple of years ago!!

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

That is utterly shameful - mentioning the war dead in the same sentence as overpaid players from a corrupt club who bought into a crackpot crook`s bs and are paying the price for living beyond their means. Dreadful. Hearts class.

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The thing that gets me about the McRae's battalion thing is that whether or not it included Hearts players is pretty much incidental. Their deaths should be no more or less valued than those from other units who died. Hibs players also died in the First World War. We don't try to 'own' their sacrifice though in the way the Yams do.

Making a comparison between slavishly deferring your wages, because your daft enough to work for a tax withholding financial basket case of a company with a cynical manipulative boss, and people who died on the battlefield is frankly quite crass.

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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin

That is utterly shameful - mentioning the war dead in the same sentence as overpaid players from a corrupt club who bought into a crackpot crook`s bs and are paying the price for living beyond their means. Dreadful. Hearts class.

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Tend to agree, pretty poor to be honest. No other people in Scotland at that time went to war of course.

It's hardly surprising from a club as morally bankrupt as they are just about financially bankrupt.

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Originally Posted by green glory

The thing that gets me about the McRae's battalion thing is that whether or not it included Hearts players is pretty much incidental. Their deaths should be no more or less valued than those from other units who died. Hibs players also died in the First World War. We don't try to 'own' their sacrifice though in the way the Yams do.

Making a comparison between slavishly deferring your wages, because your daft enough to work for a tax withholding financial basket case of a company with a cynical manipulative boss, and people who died on the battlefield is frankly quite crass.

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Excellent post.

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Originally Posted by Technofob

When did the Jamtards become so obsessed about winning the wars - I can't remember them making such a big deal about it until the memorial at Haymarket was removed for the fekkin tram works a couple of years ago!!

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Their older fans were very respectful towards all war dead and held special regard for the WWI team who went off to fight in the war.

It's only recently that they started claiming a special place in history as the only team that ever lost players in the conflicts since.

I say God bless them as my German is not very good.

Their poppy-watching is frankly cringeworthy.

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Also bletherin on about the Yams in the war again and McCrae's battalion :rolleyes:

Good on ye Yams, if it wasn't for you lot we would be getting governed from Berlin :rolleyes:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...s-gave-1451163

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I already am and it's not as bad as everybody thinks.


:greengrin

Did you realise that Hearts are actually to blame for the whole Nazi era and the Second World War?


The defeat of Germany, and the subsequent war reparations, laid the foundations for the resentment that provided the Nazi party's rise to power and, as a result, the devastation of the WWII

Now, if Hearts hadn't single-handedly beaten the Germans in WWI, then the terrible horrors that followed would NEVER have happened.



Jist saying likes....................

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Did you realise that Hearts are actually to blame for the whole Nazi era and the Second World War?

The defeat of Germany, and the subsequent war reparations, laid the foundations for the resentment that provided the Nazi party's rise to power and, as a result, the devastation of the WWII

Now, if Hearts hadn't single-handedly beaten the Germans in WWI, then the terrible horrors that followed would NEVER have happened.

Jist saying lines....................

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This is of course correct. No harm done though because luckily we had swarms of maroon Spitfires in WWII to protect our island nation.

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

Did you realise that Hearts are actually to blame for the whole Nazi era and the Second World War?


The defeat of Germany, and the subsequent war reparations, laid the foundations for the resentment that provided the Nazi party's rise to power and, as a result, the devastation of the WWII

Now, if Hearts hadn't single-handedly beaten the Germans in WWI, then the terrible horrors that followed would NEVER have happened.



Jist saying lines....................

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Quite a coincidence that most hearts fans have behaved like Hitlers followers throughout the Romanov era.

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

Did you realise that Hearts are actually to blame for the whole Nazi era and the Second World War?


The defeat of Germany, and the subsequent war reparations, laid the foundations for the resentment that provided the Nazi party's rise to power and, as a result, the devastation of the WWII

Now, if Hearts hadn't single-handedly beaten the Germans in WWI, then the terrible horrors that followed would NEVER have happened.



Jist saying lines....................

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Does this constitute Godwin's Law? :wink:

Anyway, Hitler did plan to build a 400,000 capacity stadium. And you wonder where Vlad gets his idea from...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-861889.html

With the latest Yamtastic fund raising event here...

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_2989482

...I can't but help thinking of Brian Potter trying to raise funds for The Phoenix Club.

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Situated in the Gorgie Suite from 12 noon until 4, the Family Fun Day is open to all with a donation asked for on the door.

Activities on the day will include a bouncy castle, arts and crafts, face painting, hair braiding, temporary tattoos, mini makeovers, speedcage, crossbar challenge, homebaking, tombola, raffles and performances. Access to all activities will again be subject to a minimum donation of £1.

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With the latest Yamtastic fund raising event here...

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_2989482

...I can't but help thinking of Brian Potter trying to raise funds for The Phoenix Club.

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:greengrin. Excellent comparison!! Haha. Maybe they'll also have (permanent) face-painting and a giant inflatable c0ck.

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With the latest Yamtastic fund raising event here...

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_2989482

...I can't but help thinking of Brian Potter trying to raise funds for The Phoenix Club.

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12 'til 4, must be so they dinnae have tae put the lights on :greengrin ****in' tramps

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:greengrin. Excellent comparison!! Haha. Maybe they'll also have (permanent) face-painting and a giant inflatable c0ck.

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Who needs an inflatable one if Klansman Mackay's attending?

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Does this constitute Godwin's Law? :wink:

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I did think about that while writing but, to be fair, I didn't suggest at any point that the YAMS were Nazis, just that they were almost solely responsible for their existence


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"Activities on the day will include a bouncy castle,......"



Is Nade back?



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tee hee hee

so have they not actually raised any actual cash with their actual dumb fundraising then actually?

it makes you laugh eh

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With the latest Yamtastic fund raising event here...

http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/articles/2...241384_2989482

...I can't but help thinking of Brian Potter trying to raise funds for The Phoenix Club.

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Funny, I always think about him when I hear the Willie Bauld suite being mentioned. All it will take is Skacel to have a few beers and a kebab for the picture to be complete.

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tee hee hee

so have they not actually raised any actual cash with their actual dumb fundraising then actually?

it makes you laugh eh

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The whole situation with that bunch of tramps makes me laugh.

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The whole situation with that bunch of tramps makes me laugh.

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Absolute ditto.

If it wasn't so funny it would be cringeworthy.

Ply a Jambo with a crate of Red Bull and I'd still ask him how he sleeps at night.

Never laughed so much in ma life as i have in the last few weeks !! Hahahahaha ! Get it round ye ya hearts f.... Hahahaha

It's getting so funny now it's embarrassing to be honest, what a pathetic bunch they are and it just goes to show how the mighty have fallen...big team indeed!...tombola--face-painting-- :rolleyes:

What is truly pathetic is the two clubs who shamefully exploit the bravery of our armed forces for their own financial gain are the same two clubs who immorally, if not quite illegally, take whatever steps they can to avoid paying their rightful taxes which enable our forces to operate in as safe a way as possible.

Other clubs just quietly go about their business doing whatever the two "establishment" teams do, only they do it without fanfare but they do it far more effectively.

Hearts (and Rangers) should be utterly ashamed of themselves and their self-serving conduct.

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The thing that gets me about the McRae's battalion thing is that whether or not it included Hearts players is pretty much incidental. Their deaths should be no more or less valued than those from other units who died. Hibs players also died in the First World War. We don't try to 'own' their sacrifice though in the way the Yams do.

Making a comparison between slavishly deferring your wages, because your daft enough to work for a tax withholding financial basket case of a company with a cynical manipulative boss, and people who died on the battlefield is frankly quite crass.

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Daughter is a teacher in an Edinburgh school. Hearts came in with the Cup this week and demanded a pound for a photo with the Cup.
How desperate are they to raise money! :faf::faf:

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Daughter is a teacher in an Edinburgh school. Hearts came in with the Cup this week and demanded a pound for a photo with the Cup.
How desperate are they to raise money! :faf::faf:

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Hope all this money raising is declared for tax!

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Daughter is a teacher in an Edinburgh school. Hearts came in with the Cup this week and demanded a pound for a photo with the Cup.
How desperate are they to raise money! :faf::faf:

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From schoolkids? That's staggering and just plain wrong:jamboclow Sickening desperados.

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Daughter is a teacher in an Edinburgh school. Hearts came in with the Cup this week and demanded a pound for a photo with the Cup.
How desperate are they to raise money! :faf::faf:

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May have changed :D ...... When they went to my daughters school it was £2
£1 for a yam charity... Not the yams (at that point anyway!) and £1 for school funds.

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Daughter is a teacher in an Edinburgh school. Hearts came in with the Cup this week and demanded a pound for a photo with the Cup.
How desperate are they to raise money! :faf::faf:

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So they're no happy with the bairns xmas money" they have moved on to their dinner money !! Hahahahahahaha

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I already am and it's not as bad as everybody thinks.


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:greengrin I love Dusseldorf myself :agree:

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Daughter is a teacher in an Edinburgh school. Hearts came in with the Cup this week and demanded a pound for a photo with the Cup.
How desperate are they to raise money! :faf::faf:

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They should be reported to Social Services. Riff Raff.

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Daughter is a teacher in an Edinburgh school. Hearts came in with the Cup this week and demanded a pound for a photo with the Cup.
How desperate are they to raise money! :faf::faf:

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Based on recent media reports and about 7 years of ticking and tocking I'd say they are pretty desperate for cash.
As for demanding a pound for a photo, are they not giving the kids an option?

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Based on recent media reports and about 7 years of ticking and tocking I'd say they are pretty desperate for cash.
As for demanding a pound for a photo, are they not giving the kids an option?

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Yep , its their money and their lunch or they get chinese burns.

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Yep , its their money and their lunch or they get chinese burns.

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Daughter is a teacher in an Edinburgh school. Hearts came in with the Cup this week and demanded a pound for a photo with the Cup.
How desperate are they to raise money! :faf::faf:

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That is a new low, even for them. What a disgrace.

I've lost count of the number of different fundraising groups trying to bail them out. Compiled the following list and I'm sure I've missed some.

Supporting Hearts In Trouble - not to be confused with ...
Supporting Hearts In Trouble (Edinburgh)
Fans And Romanov Together - which opposes ...
Buy Out Romanov, Rebuild Our World
The Hearts Emergency Fundraising Trust
Buying Up Shares Trust
Romanov Investment Programme.

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I've lost count of the number of different fundraising groups trying to bail them out. Compiled the following list and I'm sure I've missed some.

Supporting Hearts In Trouble - not to be confused with ...
Supporting Hearts In Trouble (Edinburgh)
Fans And Romanov Together - which opposes ...
Buy Out Romanov, Rebuild Our World
The Hearts Emergency Fundraising Trust
Buying Up Shares Trust
Romanov Investment Programme.

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:faf:

Lost a mouthful of coffee there when I had a second look

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I've lost count of the number of different fundraising groups trying to bail them out. Compiled the following list and I'm sure I've missed some.

Supporting Hearts In Trouble - not to be confused with ...
Supporting Hearts In Trouble (Edinburgh)
Fans And Romanov Together - which opposes ...
Buy Out Romanov, Rebuild Our World
The Hearts Emergency Fundraising Trust
Buying Up Shares Trust
Romanov Investment Programme.

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Superb :top marks

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Originally Posted by Eyrie

I've lost count of the number of different fundraising groups trying to bail them out. Compiled the following list and I'm sure I've missed some.

Supporting Hearts In Trouble - not to be confused with ...
Supporting Hearts In Trouble (Edinburgh)
Fans And Romanov Together - which opposes ...
Buy Out Romanov, Rebuild Our World
The Hearts Emergency Fundraising Trust
Buying Up Shares Trust
Romanov Investment Programme.

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**** OFF!
We're the people's front of Judea!