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Hope your away to watch Vera drake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Abortions will never stop that is just stupid, safe abortions will
If banning abortions stops abortions they should ban all guns in America. Oh but wait they said banning guns is pointless because people will still use them
For your information no mother has ever killed their unborn child. It's a legal impossibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Nicola Sturgeon
@NicolaSturgeon
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One of the darkest days for women’s rights in my lifetime. Obviously the immediate consequences will be suffered by women in the US - but this will embolden anti-abortion & anti-women forces in other countries too. Solidarity doesn’t feel enough right now - but it is necessary
Quinnicio Del Toro 🇹🇹
@misterj006
So if a woman is raped at gunpoint and becomes pregnant, the gun is the most protected party in that situation
Somewhere between all the wee digs there is a half decent moral debate going on here.
That's a very telling comment upon the mess of America now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
A sad day.
Abortion exists and has done for centuries. This doesn't rid certain states of abortion, it only removes access to safe abortion.
I always argue you don't have to like the action of abortion or the outcome, you can argue about what is a reasonable 'cut off' for when it should be permitted and you can argue that all other avenues of support should be offered first; however it is still something that is a necessity in some cases and a choice in others and as such should be available in a safe and supportive environment.
I suppose one good thing will come out of this, if this is the case then proper gun controls can't be far behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Pro lifers are pro gun in the main, so they fully believe in the rights of children to live unless they’re shot, in which case the gun wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
It’s like a perverse game of Rock Paper Scissors.
Yup and they don't seem to see how hypocritical they're being!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Gilead is a step closer
Blessed be the fruit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
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And pro-death penalty. Strange for such pro-life 'Christians'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
This agenda is about controlling women. What's the next target of the fundamentalists? Contraception, gay marriage, even interracial marriage could be vulnerable to being sent back to the individual states:
https://youtu.be/R8Z0JxLQBqU
SCJ Clarence Thomas already going after gay marriage:
https://youtu.be/IBDrwHfAoF0
What the SC Justices who voted to overturn Roe v Wade said about it during their confirmation hearings. Strange...
https://youtu.be/mMpGEwwQNbM
Just to be clear on this, by going after Lawrence vs Texas 2003 Clarence Thomas is calling for a judgement on whether or not gay sex should be illegal. Organs Hungary or new Poland hasn’t even gone that far. That’s the company the GOP is keeping. It’s all nice and everything to have friendly debates online about abortion rights, gay rights, black right to vote, but FFS if you support all of that I reserve the right to call you a ****ing racist, a homophobe and a misogynist. And I don’t think you’ve got a leg to stand on. (Not directed at the quoted poster)…Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Yes, you're right. Thomas is going beyond same sex marriage and is going after 'sodomy'. Would that mean lesbian relationships would be allowed, but male relationships illegal? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Totally crackpot.
i was thinking earlier if any of the SC were appointed by that vile fake tan monster Trump then did a little google just now, things are clearer especially that 4th one who was giving advice to his wife who got a mention in the hearings the last week for assisting Trump in trying to get the voting stopped/overturned.
P.S. i also remember that slimebag Kavanaugh as well
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...LA&oe=62BB23A9
A very powerful response from a young American woman :applause::
https://youtu.be/8w5tH902MFw
2 woman hit by a car at a pro choice rally in the US
2 dead outside a oslo gay bar from a random gunman
The right is the greatest terrorist risk
But for some reason are almost never referenced as terrorists in reporting. That's a huge part of the problem. Painting these people as a 'lone wolf' or a 'crazed gunman' downplays the fact that this is a loosely organised group of extreme right wing nutjobs, primarily male. Emoboldened by the success of the likes of Trump and Bolsonaro they are increasingly dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I'm curious as to what Venn diagram of the relationship of US states that were pro-life, pro-gun control and pro-death penalty?
I'm guessing, without checking, it would resemble an RAF roundel!
Right wing hypocrites, the lot of them!
What about sodomy in opposite-sex couples?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Given that the dictionary definition of sodomy includes oral sex, many gay women would also be criminalised.
My question would be, as it always has been in some US States, how would that be policed?
Check out the other thread on the topic: the states where execution is legal are almost identical to the ones where abortion is now illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales
Thought as much, looks like Ozyhibby done the homework I set out for him 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
(To be fair, I did mean to post my "Venn" comment on the Roe Vs Wade thread).
Indeed. It's a matter of taking the fundamentalist Christian view that sex is sinful, to the extreme. 18th century American Puritanism to be revived in 2022, in some attempt to put the toothpaste back in the tube. It's insane and impossible to police. Justice Thomas is proposing that all equality rights won via the Fourteenth Amendment be challenged, but with one exception: interracial marriage. He didn't mention that one, though, of course, the fact he is a black man married to a white woman would be coincidental. Stripping others of their legal rights is fine, but he draws the line when it would affect him. However, interracial marriage will be challenged in the same way - advocates will claim it's a states rights issue and isn't constitutionally guaranteed. If that issue reaches the SC, what will Thomas do? He is a very dodgy and unpleasant guy. His wife is currently deeply implicated in the attempt to overturn Biden's win.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I wonder what the progressives and liberals who refused to vote for Clinton are feeling right now?
The issue with US presidential elections is you aren't just voting for a 4 or 8 year period, you are voting for them potentially having the ability to shape the future of the country for decades, particularly in the case of Trump who was able to rebalance the ideology of the Supreme Court.
This ruling would never have happened had Clinton been the 45th US President. For all her many faults she would have secured a liberal, relatively speaking, majority among Supreme Court justices for a generation.
Plus the electoral college played a big role again. Clinton got more votes, but Trump won the EC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Northern Ireland isn’t much better. Although it’s legal now due to it being imposed by the UK govt when the DUP collapsed the assembly, they have managed to not fund any service at all so it’s like it’s banned. Most still travel to mainland UK.
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You really won't believe this. A debate between the Republican primary candidates for Arizona governor. This is the GOP in 2022, the party expected to win control of Congress this November in the most powerful country on earth. We like to laugh at how stupid and crazy Americans are, but this is really disturbing:
https://youtu.be/6IYX8ydZ9pA
this woman is nuttier than a box of freakin frogs, the GOP's Nadine Dorries
coming fresh after her outburst that the American Government is going to force Americans to eat fake meat grown by Bill Gates in a "Peach Tree Dish" Marjorie Taylor Greene warns of meat grown in a ‘peach tree dish’ while peddling Bill Gates conspiracy | The Independent
now she's speculating the shootings in Philadelphia and Highland park were meant to increase republican support for Gun Control Legislation Marjorie Taylor Greene claims mass shootings ‘designed’ to make GOP support gun control (msn.com) :crazy:
She's just won her Primary too. Utterly mental. I'm far from being considered intelligent but seeing these morons getting in to positions of powers makes me realise I could have perhaps pursued a career in government.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I'm with the lady at the end. The education system is one of the big reasons for Americans holding these views in such numbers. Combine that with a rigged media and massive firepower and you have a huge problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
My kids don't believe in God, are good Hibees and hate the Tories. They are also very wary of the Police, as I am, and know to question everything you see on TV. Now does that mean I have brainwashed them or have I influenced them and they haven't found strong enough reasons to form an alternative view, that may come when their mates influence them more than me.
When you think about it young minds are there to be moulded and filled with information and at least in the UK our state schools give kids a fairly clean view of the world and some ability to critically think. If, as was said in the clip, the church plays a big part in schooling and curriculums could be shaped by individuals in the community or those funding schools then it is quite easy to see how quickly you could flood the electorate with little clones with ludicrous far right views. It is basically the Trump Youth.
One thing is for sure we can forget about solving Global Warming and living in peace and harmony in the future. The world is just waiting to die and when you see the quality of our leaders in the UK and US then perhaps it isn't before time.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/stat...33205508857857
This is very weird trump at a rally tries to praise the vaccine roll out. But he says he can't say the word vaccine, presumably as his supporters hate it
He was booed at a rally when he said he supported the COVID vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Actual nut jobs 😆 how many died because of believing these fanatical liesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
While that is part of the problem, the other major factor goes back to Ronnie Reagan, he deregulated the News Media industry while being funded by a number of media moguls (while US news outlets were not censored they were under an ethical guide (the Fairness doctrine) mandated by government). Essentially that meant that Fox News could exist, whereas before then a 'news' channel spouting what Fox puts out would find themselves in court every single day because US laws did not allow false reporting. Reagan changed that and essentially said that News programs are entertainment shows and could say anything they liked under the first amendment, he removed the ability of government to hold media moguls feet to the flames whenever they spouted lies. The deregulation that Ronnie did in the 80s were the catalysts to modern America. (please excuse my simplified and ramble on this).Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
You are sadly correct about the direction of the world right now, we are heading towards a dystopian future, oft imagined by authors. The EU have basically said oil is green energy, the US will never cut their energy consumption (remember if you split the US military from the US then they would still be the 1st (the country) and the 4th (the military) largest polluters on the planet). We are in the beginning of the end years of capitalism and unfortunately none of us make it out alive from that scenario.
A regression into fascism. The Texas Republican Platform for 2022:
https://youtu.be/Er67SqUT48c
That’s is so unhinged you could only assume it is a parody manifesto..but it’s not !! Wild beyond comprehensionQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
i see his first wife Ivana has died, 73
Ivana Trump, Donald Trump's first wife, dies at 73 - BBC News
Ivana Trump, Donald Trump's first wife and the mother of three of his children, has died aged 73.
"She was a wonderful, beautiful, and amazing woman, who led a great and inspirational life," Mr Trump posted on his social media platform Truth Social.
Ms Trump, who was born in the Czech Republic, married the former president in 1977. They divorced 15 years later in 1992.
They had three children together - Donald Jr, Ivanka and Eric Trump.
Steve Bannon looking like he's heading to the pokey
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/29/u...smid=url-share
Article, paywall shouldn't apply, on how Russian agents are spreading disinformation in the States. Playing both sides and stirring animosity.
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Darwin at work there. Thinning them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Depends on your definition of funny. Tragic, I think is a better description.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Trumps pal Alex Jones trial is shocking, people think they can say what they want regardless of truth. Some heart breaking statements from parents of sandy hook
https://mobile.twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1554539801105293319
His goose is cooked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/statu...tUGoFr_iw&s=19
His lawyer handed over all his texts and emails for the last 2 years by accident.
This includes Jan 6th 2021 when Jones was with Trump during the attempted insurrection.
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More on how Putin's "Eurasia Project" has manifested itself in the States.
" A Russian national backed by the Russian state has been indicted by the US Justice Department for funding and using members of American political groups as foreign agents of Russian Intelligence in nearly a decade of malign influence operations."
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/08/02/a...oreign-agents/
Alexander Dugin's philosophy was discussed at the start of the Ukraine invasion.
https://i.ibb.co/FX56HrS/20220225-094102.jpg
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I had a bit of a mental meltdown at the start of the war, and there were several events that happened around that time that led to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Looking back, one of the scarier parts of it was the discovery of this piece of work, sometimes called “Putin’s playbook”.
At a time of fear and uncertainty, reading about what was contained in it scared the living **** out of me.
As time has gone by, I’d take more convincing than ever that it isn’t the exact playbook and it is chilling in the extreme to look back and see how much of it has already been worked very hard on.
Agreed. And let us not think it's only the US that has been targeted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
All western democracies have been targeted. The bunch that were founders of The Conservative Friends of Russia are in power in this country. Wreckers, dividers, "Anti-Woke". Putin loves all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Donnie's Florida home Mar-A-Lago currently being raided by the FBI, searching for evidence that Trump left the White House with fifteen boxes of classified documents in 2021. :thumbsup:
If the FBI find what they find what they are searching for. Bye bye returning to officeQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Ofcourse the problem is the FBI..... [emoji1787]
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And lets not forget 'Britain Trump'. NHS selloff and procurement, military deals, post Brexit shenanigans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FZsygYxX...g&name=900x900
that's one way of looking at it i guess
Rumour has it that the FBI have destroyed Trump's library during the raid. Apparently both books have been destroyed and the colouring in hadn't been completed.
What a joke. Broken US.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
If it is a witch hunt... release the warrant. He has a copy of it. Somehow I feel it will be like his tax returns.
The MAGA types, such as Fox News, are going ballistic about it, but the raid was carried out on a warrant signed by a Trump appointed judge, at the request of a Trump appointed FBI Director. Sounds like probable cause must have been established. There is no way the FBI would undertake such an operation unless they were one hundred per cent legally covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haymaker
Exactly. And he has a copy of the warrant and a list of everything taken in the raid. If it's a witch hunt, share them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Also, pleaded the 5th today. Like the Mob do.
Oh yeah, pleading the Fifth is outrageous and a sign of guilt....until he does it when being investigated for financial fraud:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haymaker
https://youtu.be/Ww4sZ6qPMC8
Looks like they were looking for documents releated to nuclear weapons/materials.
Interesting.
Terrifying who he might have been selling/sharing it with. Long been suspected that the Saudi's have been secretly developing nuclear weapons. Given the $2b they paid Kushner it really wouldn't surprise me if he's selling secrets them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haymaker
You really have to laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haymaker
Is there such a crime as treason in the USA, and can it carry the death penalty?
(Pretty sure it's the only crime in the UK that can carry the death penalty although I'm no lawyer).
Don't think that's ever been true in the UK. Currently there are no crimes that carry the death penalty (treason carries a prison sentence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_t..._Kingdom#Today), and the last folk hanged before it was abolished were convicted of murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
EDIT – further reading tells me it was the case up until 1998:
No idea about the US.Quote:
Beheading was abolished as a method of execution for treason in 1973. Hanging, however, remained available until 30 September 1998 when, under a House of Lords amendment to the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, proposed by Lord Archer of Sandwell, the death penalty was abolished for treason and piracy with violence, replacing it with a discretionary maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
I was glancing through twitter last night and came across a thread which I initially thought was just more made up BS. So I had a wee look and see if the thing it was claiming was true. And I am just not sure having seen the photos now!
Anyway, the tweet tagged in the FBI and when something like. "Dear @FBI, If I were you I would be getting a warrant to exhume Ivana Trumps coffin! I am pretty sure it would not normally take 10 pall bearers to lift a surprisingly huge coffin (for who was a relatively small 73 y.o. woman). Just saying."
Now go and google "Pictures of Ivana Trumps funeral" and tell me that isn't a huge box of stolen documents being planted on his New Jersey golf course! For any normal human I would ignore it but this is Trump :greengrin
Apologies for the macabre nature of this post.
Believe this is under the "espionage act" and he could do serious time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Robert Hanssen is doing 15 consecutive life with no parole under the same act.
Reports saying documents recovered were top secret and classified. Trump says they were unclassified.
Who to believe 🙄
Under the espionage act it doesn't matter if classified or not. If he's tried to hide the documents he's ****ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
As far as I understand it.
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/s...0xGwcYjvotNtUQ
The documents.
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I will never believe he’s ****ed. He’s got too many people willing to take his side no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haymaker
I just think that he asks so much of so many people that he has to run out of luck eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
..or he's committed so many crimes its only a matter of time before he got sloppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Funny Rees-Mogg says he's the UKs greatest ally yet its possible he's been selling nuclear secrets to the country which was home to the 9/11 bombers.
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While I generally agree... someone very close to him has flipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Cons/rightys will always look after themselves when it gets tough in my experience. Someone, or some people have cut deals.
Oh he is sooooo ****ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Statements from Trump HQ seem to be taking the line that as President he can point at documents and suddenly they are declassified, rendering the need for 'paper pushing beaurocrats' or any of that due process stuff, irrelevant.
Hopefully that is tested in court...
Unbelievably the late night news from the BBC last night was implying that this strengthens his support and also his run for presidency again. Americans are off their heads and beyond saving if that is true
LeMonde reporting on that second item, 'Info On the President of France. No comment from Macron. Wonder what that could revealQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I wonder if going after corrupt former political leaders might one day be seen as acceptable behaviour in the UK too.
It'll Never catch on, too many are in awe of the protagonists to ever be able to admit they were conned/exploited.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Investigative journalists like Kuenssberg will be ever more determined to get to the bottom of the Perugia trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
She will be hoping to line up even more one to one chats / catch ups with Bozo, I can't bring myself to call these sessions interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Keeping a selection of blackmail material to hand on various world leaders perhaps. Hopefully the (alleged) Trump/Hooker pissing tape will be found in there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Nah, he'll not serve a single day. Sadly America is so ****ed that even treason is not longer a bipartisan issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
At worst he'll get a fine.
at least she can hold her head high Rep. Liz Cheney loses her primary in Wyoming to Trump-backed challenger (nbcnews.com)
Good speech after losing. Maybe US is not completely ****** after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
That's the last line of defence now. The Trumpanzees began by saying the FBI planted documents. Then they switched to saying the documents were never classified. Now they are saying the documents were actually top secret, but a president can de-classify anything at any time. Actually that isn't true, there is a protocol to follow when de-classifying documents. Furthermore, some documents e.g. nuclear secrets, are so sensitive, a president can't unilaterally de-classify them. Anything de-classified means that it's available for anyone to see. Trump is therefore arguing that top secret documents were declassified on the spot, thus in theory any American could have had instant access to them. That's nonsense of course; there is a process. A desperate defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
4:59 p.m. Documents marked top secret are instantaneously de-classified so Trump can take them home.
5.00 p.m. If Chuck the welder from Pittburgh asks to see those documents, that perfectly okay now. Aye right.
https://twitter.com/McClureShawn/sta...hdsfq79gA&s=19
Allowing extreme ideologies representation leads to more extremism every time.
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Only "Woke Liberals" ban things according to my Republican friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Crazy. What’s even the justification for banning Anne Frank’s Diary? What ideas can you be attempting to protect?
News to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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“When we got ‘The Diary of Anne Frank,’ we thought, ‘This is a joke.’ But it wasn’t,” Hawes said, adding that the complaint was that “the book shouldn’t be read without parent supervision.” She suspected that the parent may have objected to the unabridged diary’s references to female genitalia, same-sex attraction and other sexual matters, which have been deemed “pornographic” by parental challenges in the past. But she couldn’t be sure because the parent who challenged the book didn’t show up to the meeting.
https://twitter.com/keithboykin/stat...z1VftL39Q&s=19
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US patriots.. training for war. No sure whether to laugh or cry. Very fascist weirdos
https://mobile.twitter.com/telltalea...86437289553920
Trump egging all this sort of stuff on with his crazed Truth Social retweeting of QAnon etc. He must be getting nervous now about becoming a convict. For him, real actual civil war would be a good deflection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://twitter.com/DailyLoud/status...11791838654464
Slightly more upbeat than much of the stuff on this thread but Jamie Foxx does a quite brilliant Donald Trump impression.
I was watching Neil Oliver earlier on GB News, with the most bizarre tirade against….well I’m not really sure exactly who he was having a go at…Seemed to be a bit of covid denial and anti vax combined with some healthy anti woke stuff. But it made me think Fox News and trumpish behaviour is equally easy to find in this country as it is in the US. And Mr Oliver was a BBC poster boy not so long ago, with his wistful glances down the misty glens and his ill informed pseudo history.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
he’s become a proper arse latelyQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Aye Bollah has summed it up perfectly re his stances on things. He seems to essentially be a conspiracy theoristQuote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
Truth Social, Trumps answer to Twitter has been blocked on Google Play store for lack of moderation against hate speech and violence/Violent content! Quelle Surprise
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b063d5e61f5e81