Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

Too late for him IMO. There's a difference between doing the right thing because you want tae and changing your mind because you ken you're going tae be on the losing side and suffer a double penalty of nae huns and a boycott of other supporters.

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Exactly how I feel about it. A spineless coward who tried to look after his own interests, and wasn't even blessed with the common sense to determine what that was. Way too late for a U-turn as far as I'm concerned, I won't be putting money in the pocket f this sad quisling.

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Originally Posted by snooky

Why bother asking the fans if you're gonna load the options? Pretty pathetic really.
It's as bad as heating ping-pong balls. :wink:

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Worth bearing in mind that should any kind of 'Rangers' be playing anywhere in Scottish football next season, come Scottish Cup draw time the traditional heated ping-pong balls are going to be back in service, but to achieve entirely the opposite objective...

Although it seems unlikely, I really do hope we are acknowledged as to which clubs vote which way next Wednesday. Surely most will say no now to protect their own behinds but I feel so strongly against any team that sympathize with Sevco 5088 that I will protest against giving them money.

I am now looking to purchase a season ticket now as well, now that this is 'almost' all done and dusted.

I don't really get the Kilmarnock hate-fest. Their supporters seem to be as solidly against Newco as anybody else's. As far as the club's directors are concerned, they potentially face a real chance that Killie will go under if Rangers disappear. If Hibs faced that prospect, does anybody believe that RP would be quite so adamant in his 'no to newco' stance?

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

Exactly how I feel about it. A spineless coward who tried to look after his own interests, and wasn't even blessed with the common sense to determine what that was. Way too late for a U-turn as far as I'm concerned, I won't be putting money in the pocket f this sad quisling.

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If we and other teams' fans boycott Killie then they go out of business. Is that what we want for them and more particularly for their fans who have voted "no"?

- Another SPL team disappears because of the Huns cheating?

- Huns feel vindicated and can point and say "told you so"?

- It potentially expedites the new Huns return to SPL?

I think a more measured approach is required than a straightforward boycott. And the Killie fans are going to ensure their club votes no - why punish those same fans?

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Originally Posted by Twiglet

Could be tough for them, considering a few clubs have made their feelings known about the Rangers situation. Might end up coming down to the options available in who else applies for the space, but who else would apply? A Highland league team? Spartans? Whoever it is would need to have some financial backing.

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Any club who's position is more influenced by financial need than sporting integrity should probably be out of business anyway, and should not be a part of this league. Their position is fatally and morally compromised. The Killie Board should have the guts to recognise this and restructure the club. If that means going into Admin, starting again with a sustainable financial model, then so be it.

If one thing has come out of this it's that other SPL teams can't live or die on the existence of 2 other teams who they have no control over.

You make a very good point. Would the same have happened pre internet days?

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Originally Posted by Onion

Any club who's position is more influenced by financial need than sporting integrity should probably be out of business anyway, and should not be a part of this league. Their position is fatally and morally compromised. The Killie Board should have the guts to recognise this and restructure the club. If that means going into Admin, starting again with a sustainable financial model, then so be it.

If one thing has come out of this it's that other SPL teams can't live or die on the existence of 2 other teams who they have no control over.

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It’s been said many times on here "the fans are the club", why should the hard core Killie fans lose their club because of the current guardian? It wasn't the fans fault in 1990, when we were vulnerable & if it wasn't for the golden generation, our debts would have been far more than it is today.

With rangers, for the non arrogant fans, who support their club for the right reasons, I have sympathy, however, they have far too many that are outside that category & that’s why there the attitude towards them is so different.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Any club who's position is more influenced by financial need than sporting integrity should probably be out of business anyway, and should not be a part of this league. Their position is fatally and morally compromised. The Killie Board should have the guts to recognise this and restructure the club. If that means going into Admin, starting again with a sustainable financial model, then so be it.

If one thing has come out of this it's that other SPL teams can't live or die on the existence of 2 other teams who they have no control over.

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100% :agree:

Scottish football is on a "crest of a wave" just hold on as it could be a bumpy ride .... :wink:

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Originally Posted by Ray-in-ireland

It’s been said many times on here "the fans are the club", why should the hard core Killie fans lose their club because of the current guardian? It wasn't the fans fault in 1990, when we were vulnerable & if it wasn't for the golden generation, our debts would have been far more than it is today.

With rangers, for the non arrogant fans, who support their club for the right reasons, I have sympathy, however, they have far too many that are outside that category & that’s why there the attitude towards them is so different.

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I didn't know Killie had hardcore fans.... They must be the Brian Kerr of Scottish Football fans

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Originally Posted by Lucius Apuleius

You make a very good point. Would the same have happened pre internet days?

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What, all 13,682 of us? :wink:

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Originally Posted by Onion

Any club who's position is more influenced by financial need than sporting integrity should probably be out of business anyway, and should not be a part of this league. Their position is fatally and morally compromised. The Killie Board should have the guts to recognise this and restructure the club. If that means going into Admin, starting again with a sustainable financial model, then so be it.

If one thing has come out of this it's that other SPL teams can't live or die on the existence of 2 other teams who they have no control over.

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"Going into admin and starting again with a sustainable financial model" is all very well for you, the Killie Board, and the clubs supporters. What about the local businesses who have supplied goods and services to Killie in good faith - many of which will be owned or run by supporters - whose bills won't be paid? Should they just have to take the hit and like it or lump it?

As another poster has pointed out, if it were not for the great good fortune we enjoyed with 'the golden generation", who brought us in about 12 million in transfer fees, we ourselves would be in a very difficult place. We were lucky enough to be able to sort out our financial problems with the minimum of off-field disruption.

Suppose we hadn't had that good fortune, and you were the owner of a small business who stood to lose your living, along with your employees, while Hibs "went into admin, and started again with a sustainable financial model" How cavalier would your talk be then?

I think some people on this board are overdosing on self-righteousness.

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Originally Posted by Nailrod

"Going into admin and starting again with a sustainable financial model" is all very well for you, the Killie Board, and the clubs supporters. What about the local businesses who have supplied goods and services to Killie in good faith - many of which will be owned or run by supporters - whose bills won't be paid? Should they just have to take the hit and like it or lump it?

As another poster has pointed out, if it were not for the great good fortune we enjoyed with 'the golden generation", who brought us in about 12 million in transfer fees, we ourselves would be in a very difficult place. We were lucky enough to be able to sort out our financial problems with the minimum of off-field disruption.

Suppose we hadn't had that good fortune, and you were the owner of a small business who stood to lose your living, along with your employees, while Hibs "went into admin, and started again with a sustainable financial model" How cavalier would your talk be then?

I think some people on this board are overdosing on self-righteousness.

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Don't forget selling the old car park (waste ground) behind the terracing near the top of the property bubble, that got us almost another £10M. For all the talk of Petrie's financial acumen and "wock solid" accounts, Hibs have had some pretty hefty slices of luck.

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Originally Posted by Nailrod

"Going into admin and starting again with a sustainable financial model" is all very well for you, the Killie Board, and the clubs supporters. What about the local businesses who have supplied goods and services to Killie in good faith - many of which will be owned or run by supporters - whose bills won't be paid? Should they just have to take the hit and like it or lump it?

As another poster has pointed out, if it were not for the great good fortune we enjoyed with 'the golden generation", who brought us in about 12 million in transfer fees, we ourselves would be in a very difficult place. We were lucky enough to be able to sort out our financial problems with the minimum of off-field disruption.

Suppose we hadn't had that good fortune, and you were the owner of a small business who stood to lose your living, along with your employees, while Hibs "went into admin, and started again with a sustainable financial model" How cavalier would your talk be then?

I think some people on this board are overdosing on self-righteousness.

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What do you suggest we should have done, cheated the tax man? We got into that mess because we overspent, that was our fault completely. As in any other walk of life, if you spend a penny more than you earn, you are very soon going to find you have problems.

Now you either address those problems, and run more efficiently, or you get into more debt and in my opinion thats not advisable.

Running Kilmarnock's finances on the amount of Rangers fans they get through the door is a ridiculous way to work, their attendance should be looked at as a bonus, not a way of breaking even.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Glad to hear somebody else voicing this opinion. I've mentioned it a few times but felt that I was being accused of being unnecessarily vindictive since a 'no' vote was assured and it didn't matter what the fence-sitters were going to do. I hope Johnston and Killie get it tight next season.

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Johnston is by all accounts a Hun first, Killie second man, Kenny Shiels much the same. The Killie fans, on the other hand, are solidly behind blocking New Huns and will vote accordingly, imo.

Now is not the time to drive wedges between the other clubs. We should rally round all the remaining SPL clubs. Hopefully, the Killie fans will get rid of this chancer running their club.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...vic-debt.html#


Yet another problem for Mr Green. I can see a UEFA ruling that all these debts have to be cleared before Sevco Gers are allowed to play in Europe once their 3 year ban is up.

That will be another £ 2 million the Yorkshire Lad will have to charm out of his " consortium ". :greengrin

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Johnston is by all accounts a Hun first, Killie second man, Kenny Shiels much the same. The Killie fans, on the other hand, are solidly behind blocking New Huns and will vote accordingly, imo.

Now is not the time to drive wedges between the other clubs. We should rally round all the remaining SPL clubs. Hopefully, the Killie fans will get rid of this chancer running their club.

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:top marks

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Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...vic-debt.html#


Yet another problem for Mr Green. I can see a UEFA ruling that all these debts have to be cleared before Sevco Gers are allowed to play in Europe once their 3 year ban is up.

That will be another £ 2 million the Yorkshire Lad will have to charm out of his " consortium ". :greengrin

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I think they've got that wrong. According to the CVA proposal the amount due from Everton will go to the old club and become part of the liquidation fund.

Always knew he was a few sandwiches short but it appears Lee Wallace has agreed to transfer to the newco, does that mean that the newco will still have to stump up the cash for him or face sanctions or does that still lie with the Huns?

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Always knew he was a few sandwiches short but it appears Lee Wallace has agreed to transfer to the newco, does that mean that the newco will still have to stump up the cash for him or face sanctions or does that still lie with the Huns?

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Story here: http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=223999

Also, just a thought. That website is "Official". Official to who? Oldhun are liquidated, and therefore shouldnt presumably be incurring further cost in maintaining a website promoting a now non-existent football team. If its for newhunsevco, then why are they called Rangers, why do they have the badge with the stars, and most laughably, who do they have a little logo saying "1872-2012" celebrating 140 years...:greengrin.

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Always knew he was a few sandwiches short but it appears Lee Wallace has agreed to transfer to the newco, does that mean that the newco will still have to stump up the cash for him or face sanctions or does that still lie with the Huns?

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That is a strange one. You'd expect that if his contract is transferred from oldHun to newHun then so would the balance of his unpaid transfer fee. If not, this looks very like the asset stripping that Green was being accused of planning.

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Originally Posted by Geo_1875

That is a strange one. You'd expect that if his contract is transferred from oldHun to newHun then so would the balance of his unpaid transfer fee. If not, this looks very like the asset stripping that Green was being accused of planning.

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The whole thing is bizarre. I don't see how football regulations would allow either Oldco or Newco to hold on to the registration of a player they never paid for.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Johnston is by all accounts a Hun first, Killie second man, Kenny Shiels much the same. The Killie fans, on the other hand, are solidly behind blocking New Huns and will vote accordingly, imo.

Now is not the time to drive wedges between the other clubs. We should rally round all the remaining SPL clubs. Hopefully, the Killie fans will get rid of this chancer running their club.

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Point taken. If Johnston votes 'no' it will be purely because of the fans and I would reluctantly give them the benefit of the doubt. Likewise I would hope the fans would take some in-house measures to vent their feelings and objections to their unprincipled chairman.

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Originally Posted by Geo_1875

That is a strange one. You'd expect that if his contract is transferred from oldHun to newHun then so would the balance of his unpaid transfer fee. If not, this looks very like the asset stripping that Green was being accused of planning.

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I think 'theft' is a more realistic term to use here.

I suspect that those players that will get their wages matched elsewhere will not transfer over to Newco. Those on high wages that will struggle to get them matched will transfer over.
I suspect the decisions will be purely financial, rather than any sense of loyalty to Mr Green.

This is fine though, because it will not suit Newco to be paying large wages for players if they are playing in Division 3 (if at all).

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Originally Posted by StevieC

I suspect that those players that will get their wages matched elsewhere will not transfer over to Newco. Those on high wages that will struggle to get them matched will transfer over.
I suspect the decisions will be purely financial, rather than any sense of loyalty to Mr Green.

This is fine though, because it will not suit Newco to be paying large wages for players if they are playing in Division 3 (if at all).

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Yep. I suspect many will transfer, take the big wage and wait until Rangers need to sell them.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...vic-debt.html#


Yet another problem for Mr Green. I can see a UEFA ruling that all these debts have to be cleared before Sevco Gers are allowed to play in Europe once their 3 year ban is up.

That will be another £ 2 million the Yorkshire Lad will have to charm out of his " consortium ". :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Always knew he was a few sandwiches short but it appears Lee Wallace has agreed to transfer to the newco, does that mean that the newco will still have to stump up the cash for him or face sanctions or does that still lie with the Huns?

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Hmmm.... pop quiz for the Huns....

Is it the same old club under a new company? (therefore all footy penalties will apply)

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is it a nice shiney new club created by Sevco who managed to buy the assets of the dead and buried old club (= no footy "penalties" but you're starting again so I hope you were getting your SFL application ready while you wasted time with an SPL application)

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oh and PS.... as you all said you didnae want to see the rules changed to punish you "more" than deserved I guess that means you do want to start of correctly in the existing structure..... so just remember to include Sevco's accounts for the last 3 years or you'll be bumped from the SFL application as well! :cb

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Originally Posted by grunt

Interesting to note that the word "integrity" is not mentioned at all in this statement. And is it not more than a little pathetic to include the phrase, "Kilmarnock Football Club, which is of course entirely blameless in this situation..."? Does he mean to imply that other SPL clubs ARE to blame? Thank heavens he's not our Chairman.

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They could always resign from the SPL if they cant afford to play in it......i`m fairly sure that SFL costs wont be as high. Cut your cloth and find your level, clearly the SPL is to high a level for Kilmarnock.

With the wages due in the next few days, where is the money coming from exactly? Green has not even come up with the full £5.5m yet and its rumoured that there is no Newco bank account........,


Goodbye dear Hun, you will not be missed.



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From the Raith Rovers Official site - http://www.raithrovers.net/3766/stat...-directors.htm

Raith Rovers FC continues to closely monitor developments in the saga of who will replace the liquidated Rangers within Scottish football.
As proud members of the Scottish Football League, we may soon be called upon to consider proposals for the way forward not only in relation to any vacancy that may arise in our league but also in respect of the future construction of the game in Scotland.
Whilst we retain an open mind on the subject of league reconstruction, and will carefully consider any proposal put to us by the SFL board in this regard, the board of directors of Raith Rovers FC is unanimous in its view that we shall certainly not cast our vote in favour of any integrated plan that in our view compromises sporting integrity by involving the admission of any ‘Newco’ directly into Division One.

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