Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by grunt

I honestly don't know what to say...

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I wonder if Billy sees the irony in him on the one hand fawning over the idea of Rangers in SPL2 in order to ' save Scottish football', then on the other hand stating his sheer enjoyment of travelling to East Fife to work with real honest guys in a lower league, whose board would no doubt benefit from a couple of visits a season from Rangers.......a club who have 'survived' in the Scottish football family for over 100 years.....no doubt by cutting their cloth accordingly and relying on real fans and a board putting their money into a club they love.

I think people like Dodds need to remember that ' Scottish football' extends beyond the SPL......it's four top divisions with each club having history, fans and owners who abide by the laws of the game and try and live within their means both financially and morally. Rangers have shamed the WHOLE of Scottish football Billy !

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Originally Posted by ancienthibby

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...title.17952798

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He is a tool.

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Originally Posted by NJ Hibee

If you really met a chairman and his view is correct - Scottish Football will have dug it's own grave and they will bring a slow death to the domestic game up here during the near future.

The way forward -

Announce re-structuring - All under the Scottish Premier Football League (SPFL)

SPL 1 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season (get rid of split!!)

SPL 2 - 16 Teams - play each other twice a season

SPL 3 - 14 / 16 teams - play each other twice a season ( teams from around the country enter which have the correct and proper facilities).

Pyramid system below that - Regionalised - playoff type system to get into SPL 3 if a team wants to go that way.

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If the SFA impliment the McLeish report it will be two leagues of ten.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/9291848.stm

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A two-tier top flight with divisions of 10 would introduce a play-off system and spell the end for the current split, which sees the 12-team SPL divide in two for the final five fixtures.

"A Premier League of 14 teams which would be more in tune with what the fans and spectators have been asking for but which would run the risk of some serious financial difficulties and a reduction in the current financial distribution going to the clubs," wrote McLeish.

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If anyone is interested here is the full two part report. Part one was issued April 2010 and part two December 2010

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resource...L%20220410.pdf

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resource...t2%20FINAL.pdf

I don't mind having an SPL 1 and SPL 2 and a Division 3, or whatever the 3 leagues would be called

As long as Sevco5088 start at the very bottom, ideally they should start outside of the existing set up, they should start in the juniors and work their way up through the pyramid system as AFC Wimbledon have in England

The problem is that people are looking at the restructuring to 'save' Sevco5088.

That is as unacceptable as allowing Sevco5088 into the SPL and fans from all clubs need to make this clear, as should the senior management of these clubs

The SFA\SFL\SPL just seem hellbent on alienating fans of every 41 member clubs just to help out the one member club. Are the supporters of these 41 clubs so insignificant to the sport that they can afford to lose most of them in one fell swoop? If this level of gerrymandering continues the only stadium which will have any fans in it on a Saturday afternoon will be Ibrox. Ironic considering they're the team which has been liquidated.

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Originally Posted by The_Todd

The SFA\SFL\SPL just seem hellbent on alienating fans of every 41 member clubs just to help out the one member club. Are the supporters of these 41 clubs so insignificant to the sport that they can afford to lose most of them in one fell swoop? If this level of gerrymandering continues the only stadium which will have any fans in it on a Saturday afternoon will be Ibrox. Ironic considering they're the team which has been liquidated.

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Well said that man. I´m in Madrid just now. From here what the SFA is trying to do looks even more absurd. Deckchairs and Titanic spring to mind.

Hasty league restructuring to 'Rescue' the huns er.. I mean Scottish football would probably kill the game in Scotland stone dead for generations. I was actually very angry when I read that record piece.

However, on reflection and I would need someone to confirm my suspicions here,

I think an 'emergency' summit of the 3 governing bodies would have been likely and correct to convene - I would probably dispute what the agenda was, there are no quotes in the article and I suspect the DR have just made up the content to fit with their Rescue package nonsense printed earlier in the week.

Changes to league structure would require member clubs vote I think and so the same mechanism that sees zombie huns refused entry to the SPL can be used to oppose any re-structuring for the Huns benefit.

If this report is accurate, which I highly doubt - The fans still have the power to insist on proper governance of the game if we want to exercise it. I am not convinced that this DR guff is anything other than pish, however.

Liam McLeod‏@BBCLiamMcLeodSteven Naismith and Steven Whittaker release statement saying they object to transferring their contracts to #Rangers newco

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Originally Posted by grunt

Liam McLeod‏@BBCLiamMcLeodSteven Naismith and Steven Whittaker release statement saying they object to transferring their contracts to #Rangers newco

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Won't be attending training or any meetings, consider themselves free agents

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Originally Posted by grunt

Liam McLeod‏@BBCLiamMcLeodSteven Naismith and Steven Whittaker release statement saying they object to transferring their contracts to #Rangers newco

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Naismith is wanted by Everton I think , while Whittaker is being looked at buy Bolton ,its no a hard decision signing on fee +£20K / £30 K per week

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuOoJ0e6hdU

Not strictly true now is it Ally? :giruy:

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Originally Posted by BoltonHibee

Won't be attending training or any meetings, consider themselves free agents

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Shame that.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuOoJ0e6hdU

Not strictly true now is it Ally? :giruy:

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That is a truly honking song and video"..........

We don't do walking away...........we do skipping away without a care in the world looking forward to a hefty signing on fee when we move to English football.

I doubt that there will be too many senior players left by Thursday.

At least there might be enough money to pay those that are left. But only a maybe !

hunmedia is worth a look at times like these...

"Gutted about Naismith but not surprised. Was hoping he would ride out the storm :("

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Now watch the rest follow.

"I am so confused right now. Not sure whether to be raging or wishing them all luck. Probably partly both. How did this all go so horribly wrong?? Time to listen to a wee bit of Derry's Walls I think, NO SURRENDER."

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The interesting part will be Green's response to this.

He has previously issued a categoric statement stating that the players contracts have transferred (i.e. there is no opportunity for players to opt out), and that his position is underpinned by legal advice. Let's see if he pursues breach of contract then if his legal advice is so robust. Methinks Mr Green (and his Employment Lawyers if they exist) need to brush up on their TUPE Regulations....

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Originally Posted by Offside Trap

The interesting part will be Green's response to this.

He has previously issued a categoric statement stating that the players contracts have transferred (i.e. there is no opportunity for players to opt out), and that his position is underpinned by legal advice. Let's see if he pursues breach of contract then if his legal advice is so robust. Methinks Mr Green (and his Employment Lawyers if they exist) need to brush up on their TUPE Regulations....

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:agree: He'd be throwing more good money after bad. :cb

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Originally Posted by Offside Trap

The interesting part will be Green's response to this.

He has previously issued a categoric statement stating that the players contracts have transferred (i.e. there is no opportunity for players to opt out), and that his position is underpinned by legal advice. Let's see if he pursues breach of contract then if his legal advice is so robust. Methinks Mr Green (and his Employment Lawyers if they exist) need to brush up on their TUPE Regulations....

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Pish and wind, i reckon, to convince the funders, banks and fans.

"What worries me is not the guys who leave, it is that without season ticket money and even perhaps wiht it Green does not have the money to build an entirely new squad from scratch, so where the ****** does that leave us regardless of which league we are in??? This is a effing disaster, no league no players if it comes down to a effing vote between ourselves and a effing highland league club who have a full squad as to who gets the league place then we dont have a effing leg to stand on, Green is effing us at every turn either that or he is effing incompetent"

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

"I am so confused right now. Not sure whether to be raging or wishing them all luck. Probably partly both. How did this all go so horribly wrong?? Time to listen to a wee bit of Derry's Walls I think, NO SURRENDER."


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Dearie me. What planet do these dimwits live on.

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Originally Posted by MyJo

He is a tool.

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and I concour

Thursday is now a key date. The players that turn up for training will have in effect given commitment to stay, for now.

At the same time Charlie boy needs to find say the not so small matter of a full months wages. Can't remember how much that was but say average £10k a week player of say 25 it's team and then add salary for youth and other staff - say £1.5m to £2m. I think he is going to struggle to find this!!

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Originally Posted by Offside Trap

The interesting part will be Green's response to this.

He has previously issued a categoric statement stating that the players contracts have transferred (i.e. there is no opportunity for players to opt out), and that his position is underpinned by legal advice. Let's see if he pursues breach of contract then if his legal advice is so robust. Methinks Mr Green (and his Employment Lawyers if they exist) need to brush up on their TUPE Regulations....

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Even if Green had a point in terms of employment law (which he has not), as Sevco 5088 are not currently a football club, then this would come up against the issue of third party ownership of players contracts.

This is certainly outlawed in England. I am unsure what the Scottish Authorities attitude to this is.

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Originally Posted by Col2

Thursday is now a key date. The players that turn up for training will have in effect given commitment to stay, for now.

At the same time Charlie boy needs to find say the not so small matter of a full months wages. Can't remember how much that was but say average £10k a week player of say 25 it's team and then add salary for youth and other staff - say £1.5m to £2m. I think he is going to struggle to find this!!

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Does he, though?

If the players haven't transferred their contracts, it's OldCo that have to find the cash.

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

"I am so confused right now. Not sure whether to be raging or wishing them all luck. Probably partly both. How did this all go so horribly wrong?? Time to listen to a wee bit of Derry's Walls I think, NO SURRENDER."

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:agree: its the Queens 11 equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns