Zaliukas would say that,cause he is 1 of the 6 players that still have'nt been paid.
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Zaliukas would say that,cause he is 1 of the 6 players that still have'nt been paid.
The minute they've been paid it'll be on the hearts website celebrating it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
It would be unprofessional, petty, childish but ultimately hilarious if Hibs released a one line news item confirming all players were paid on time this month.
Chic young suggesting on radio scotland that Hearts will sign Skacel by end of week. Richard Gordon suggesting SPL may have a view and chic saying Hearts are looking for clarity on transfer embargo. What a joke. Hearts wont even confirm if they have paid players or not.
As the October offence won't be heard by SPL until next month,hearts must be looking to squeeze skacel in between Mondays verdict and next months verdict.
It would demonstrate just how morally corrupt a club they are if they add to a wage bill that they clearly can't already afford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Yup and also confirm to the rest of us how incompetent the Scottish football authorities are (if we needed it). The transfer embargo HAS to stay until they can show they can regularly pay wages without difficulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
It is patently obvious that they cannot pay wages. Romanov has made it perfectly clear that no more money is coming from UBIG. They cannot generate enough revenue from visiting support, walk-ups and cup matches to come anywhere near meeting their current wage bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
The embargo must stay in place at least until the transfer window and probably till the end of the season.
Their strategy is probably to try and bluff it out until the transfer window and then make a sale or two so that they can stagger on until season ticket renewal time in February (or January?). Then the whole farce will start again.
They go away with late payments and overdue accounts last season. The authorities had their hands full with the Rangers/Sevco fiasco then. There is no excuse this season.
Seems that everytime this happens with Hearts wages they go on and win the next game, must be a great motivational tactic.
Maybe we should try it. :wink:
Well at least the next time we play them it will be the 2nd Jan and well past their pay date of the 16th Dec!!Quote:
Originally Posted by YehButNo But
Pay the Tynecastle 6!! :greengrin
Given the lack of confirmation coming out of the PBS it's fair to assume that their players still haven't been paid yet.
Motherwell have been totally mugged today. I hope their chairman remembers that at the SPL meeting tomorrow.
And I hope Rod remembers that they signed Beattie when they had outstanding wages to pay. A player who came on at start of second half in cup semi an almost single handedly turned the game and we know the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
St. Mirren weren't happy about him playing (and scoring) in the quarter final.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Good spot. So that's the following who should have a strong view:-Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
St Mirren as mentioned, Motherwell (commented recently re Stevenson signing), us (cause its just not right) and I can't imagine budget conscious Dundee United and Aberdeen are happy that direct competitor can flaunt the rules. With Sevco watching and waiting to criticise the SPL and SFA for any so called inconsistency, you have to think confirmation will come out tomorrow they have signing embargo for foreseeable future.
Bye bye Skacel!
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Originally Posted by The Green Goblin
Never mind the Tynecastle Six let them get to the end of the quque after the Bosnian 1900, seems they have not been paid for 2 months now.
I'm sure it was profits from the Aluminium Plant that propped up the mammoth Yam wages when Aluminium prices were high so let them share the pain.. Wonga ! :greengrin
A gas bill of $13 million, and Gazprom as the creditor , this could get messy.
With this happening and yam wages not being paid it could be a good xmas for us all:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Could it be that this time the big bang really is just round the corner?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
:pray:
I was told that Skacel and A.N other had signed over a week and a half ago.
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Originally Posted by Wotherspiniesta
more hope than anything from them,if they cant afford to pay the current staff how can they employ any more ???:titanic:
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Originally Posted by greenginger
When a company is in trouble its always the wages that are last to remain unpaid. They can usually blag their way out of the other bills and promise them in a wee while but the writing is usually on the wall when the staff dont get paid.
This is, however, Hearts and football and normal rules dont seem to apply here.
In the post I posted on Friday, the directors have buggered off back to the Land of Lith and won't even speak to the trade unions.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
This ain't looking good for UBIG :thumbsup:
5th November mark it in your diary! Defo big bangs on the way.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
Unfortunately they came to an agreement a week later and production has recommenced though Gas prices are to be raised by some 20%. No wonder Vlad can't and not won't help Hearts.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Tick tock
According to several ITKs overby, the embargo is due to be lifted on Thursday when the signing of Skacel will be announced. I think they're basing this on Chick Young's utterings but nothing would surprise me.
Absolute joke if true but as you said it wouldn't be a surprise. Although how any of them can claim to be itk is beyond me. Even their manager isn't itk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
If the yams are that stupid to sign more players that they can't afford, then it should be encouraged. The quicker the vermin hit the self distruct the better.
The future's bright, the future's green and white.
Players paid tomorrow, as per the Scotsman.
Sure they said that on Thursday too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicheyWhite
Absolutely ridiculous to let them off simply because the arrears are cleared. They could keep most of their players waiting for 28 days, then pay everyone two days before the next pay date to allow them to make a new signing, which is immediately followed two days later by late payment of the next month's wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Surely the embargo should remain in place until they pay all the wages on time, which would prevent new signings until November's pay date?
Ah, but they use the word FINALLY this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
Cash in hand. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by RicheyWhite
John McGlib says "It will be sorted tomorrow. I don't think you saw the players going begging round the stands today. There wasn't an issue at any time.". Oh yes there was, twice recently, ya numpty. He should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute by pubicly condoning the grossly illegal actions of his cash-strapped employers.
https://twitter.com/bbcbmclauchlin/s...80159427522560
They've been paid now.
Boooooooooo!Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
Hmmmmm..... did they have to wait until the game to get the money in to then pay it out then? ..... if that's the case, then that's NOT GOOD.... for Them at least :greengrin
It would not have possible to bank the walk-up gate money and the cash from the pie stands so I guess they must have been paid cash in greasy notes smelling of sauce. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Alf R
That's they wages for October taken care of, now how about the HMRC for Tax and N.I. deductions and VAT ?. Then there is all the other minor matters such as business rates, police, gas and electricity, and a dozen other oncosts I am certain would come after staff wages in priority.
And yet there's an interview on the Beeb about them wanting to sign Skacel!
Apart from how ludicrous that is, even more annoying that the journo didn't think it a pertinent question to ask how smart it is to add to your wage bill when you quite clearly can't afford it as it is...
Perhaps they have too many friends in the media to face such logical questioning, or maybe it's happened so often that the media doesn't see it as a real story anymore, but any company that can't pay the staffs wages is in serious ****, willingly adding another X thousand pounds a week to that bill is just insane.
On the day of the SPL meeting?Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
Really?? :rolleyes:
That shouldn't make any difference they have failed to pay their staff more than once after new rules were put in place to fix. They should be punished and the fairest way IMO would be a transfer embargo until they have paid the players at the right time for 2 or 3 months in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
And a points deduction. Transfer ban should be automatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Let them sign him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
If they can't pay wages now, what chance when there's an additional £20k a month on to the wage bill?
It's their funeral, leave them to it.
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Come on StevieC saying its there funeral is out of order !Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieC
sure you would agree a prolonged painfull death should happen first for the lower classes across the city first :wink:
Quelle surprise ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Romanov is clearing taking the piss.
A 1 point deduction every time they fail to pay their staff on time. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Automatic demolition of any stands not suitable for purpose every time they fail to pay on time.Quote:
Originally Posted by GREEN WARLORD
@STVkeith: SPL meeting draws to a close. Hearts expecting to hear their punishment within the next hour. Transfer embargo to remain.
Most Excellent.
Any further news?
@STVkeith: Hearts' David Southern says he doesn't expect a points deduction for late payment of wages for September.
@STVkeith: Hearts fans hoping to see Rudi Skacel may be disappointed with transfer embargo kept in place for October breach of
wage payments.
@STVkeith: Today's SPL meeting only discussed Hearts late payment of wages for Sept. A hearing into Oct's late payment will be heard at a later date.
Dont know if this guy's trying to be funny or he's just a thicko :confused:
Mark Stirling @msboyd69 @HeartsFCNow if mcglynn and the 6 players always get paid 4 or 5 days late,why not just change the date they get paid #simplesimon
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Originally Posted by green glory
good, it would have been totally and utterly absurd if the cheats MKII were allowed to sign anyone else in the predicament they are in
Interesting no way that the transfer embargo should be lifted this side of Christmas. They should have points deductions as a suspended sentence tied to any future non-payments.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
From a BBC report, dated 20th October:
Hearts have a history over the past few years of being late with wages to their players, but BBC Scotland has also learned that the disciplinary hearing on Monday will treat this charge as a first offence.
That's because a) the rules only changed about this over the summer and b) the hearing today was about them paying late last month. There will be another hearing about this month's failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
I was looking back at John McGlynn's comments last month:
"The money's coming in from a very credible source; it's not like we don't think the money's not going to come in.
"It's not like the last time when we were waiting on the money to come from Lithuania [where majority shareholder Vladimir Romanov is based]. I'm not that worried. My wife works, so I'm all right."
What creditable source did the money come from?
Wonga.com?
@STVkeith: Hearts have been reprimanded and warmed with regard to its future conduct by the SPL for not paying players on time for September.
@STVkeith: A second charge against Hearts regarding alleged late payment for players wages for October will be heard on Wednesday.
How *loody predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by green glory
Skacel signs tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
The embargo hasn't been lifted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
poor wee skatchel will have to remain a "professional tourist" haw ****** haw
It hasnt been made clear but i am sure the the day after your club has failed to pay players wages then you are under a transfer embargo until a meeting takes place . Hence yams didnt pay wages in September and transfer embargo started until the meeting today - they have been reprimanded. Now in october they are late again so they are under a tranfer embargo again untill next meeting to discuss punishments, or lifting of tranfer embargo.
They wont be signing anyone and punishments will escalate .....:aok:
Reprimand means f*** all but it wont be the last time they pay their players late so alls well that ends well.
If i were a yam id be afraid, Very afraid..You just KNOW they will be late again next month.
Id rather be a Hibee than a Yam.
This is how I see it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by steviehibsleith
I hate claiming it but I have a pal "ITK" .... Genuinely ... 'onest!.. Etc etc....
Bottom line is that failure to pay wages is deemed a footy debt so it's an automatic signing embargo which can only be rescinded ( part of new rules I suppose) after agreement at an SPL board meeting.
More ridiculous judgements by the football authorities. To be reprimanded for late payment of wages in Sept and 'warned' about future non payment when everybody knows they already have been late with Oct's wages:rolleyes: Honestly, no wonder our footballing authorites are a laughing stock.
No doubt punishment will move up a scale for next meeting and move from reprimand to censure or some other meaningless sanction. Vlad must hold them in even greater contempt than normal and must be pissing himself.
What are these authorities good for apart from picking balls out a pot in cup draws and they've even ****ed that up over the years.
They wot get away with another slap on wrists. I reckon they will get a suspended points deduction of token 3 points and a transfer ban until 3 months of wages paid on time have passed (so basically forever).Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Oh....and....Skacel, get it right up you. Nae luck loser.
Now, now, Spike, it says that the October non-payment is 'alleged'. Are they not certain that it happened? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
According to the story on the beeb site
"An SPL disciplinary sub-committee will examine the October breach of their regulations on Wednesday.
Hearts had a transfer embargo imposed for the September offence, which will run until the league is satisfied the problem has been resolved.
The ban on player registrations is not a specific punishment but is now an automatic trigger when a club is late with payments.
The sub-committee, which met on Monday morning before the SPL quarterly gathering at Hampden, consisted of chief executive Neil Doncaster, secretary Iain Blair and Dundee United chairman Steven Thompson.
Doncaster said: "I think it's important we don't prejudge anything and hear what Hearts have to say. We don't know whether the charge is being admitted yet."
"So, rather than prejudge the outcome of any hearing, I think it's important we sit down with a clear mind on Wednesday and judge any evidence on its merits."
So does this mean that if they come up with an explanation 'with merit' and a promise to be good employers, that the embargo will be lifted? I have a funny feeling in my gut that it will :fuming:
I share your funny feeling and it's not helped that Chick Young and supposed ITK Jambos have been saying for a few days now that the embargo will be lifted on Thursday to open the doors for Skacel to sign by Friday. If the Jambos manage to talk their way out of this, Scottish football will take yet another step towards oblivion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
What's that coming over the hill is it the taxman,is it the taxman,is it the taxman:na na:Lol:brokenyam: hearts are going bust, going bust, going, going bust NA NA NA NA NA NA NA.
Judging by the date of payment this month, it seems clear that they could only pay up after matchday receipts from the 'Well game were taken in. This suggests that they are living on a knife edge and a run of away games could be enough to tip them into the abyss.:wink:
Young rarely quotes a source, and just seems to take a punt on an outcome. Unfortunately, I think the signs that he may have guessed right this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
How can you have a hearing about September's misdemeanour, three days before the one to decide sanctions for October's? It does not give the culprit a chance to put anything right, so surely the second hearing is to rubber stamp the outcome of the first.
" we don't know whether the charge is being admitted yet"
Is it just me and i've completely missed something with the above statement from the SPL?? :confused:
How can they say they don't know if the deluded ones will admit to the charge of the payments being late when they have already said they had been informed about the latest payments being late last week??...how weird unless i have missed something along the line..if so i'll just shut up now...:greengrin
The new rules don't just cover wage payments. Hearts have got to pay HMRC all sums as they fall due or they are in default.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Milne
I don't see any mention of this in SPL statements or Media ramblings.
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Originally Posted by Bill Milne
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I asked an ITKer about Skacel today. "Very very very impossible" was the reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Given the issues with the Huns in the summer, don't you think that the necessity to follow process is more ciritical than a knee jerk reaction to what has been reported? I dont like Doncaster, but I don't see what other option the SPL has/have as the rules were put in by the clubs themselves to manage such an event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
The reporting strongly suggests one thing - and lets face it as Hibbys we're going to be more than happy to believe the worst about what goes on over by - but if process isn't followed (painful procedural stuff though it may be), then the lack of following that self same process can be used by His Royal Madness to challenge any decision made. That would lay them open to accusations of incompetence.
I agree. Doncaster is a fud for sure and he loves to mangle the English language but he has to be seen to be open minded BEFORE the meeting, even if all the evidence in the public domain would suggest otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twa Cairpets
Let the hearing happen on Wednesday and make our judgements then. Personally I think it will be a suspended points deduction and while that will surely be seen as soft on here I'm pretty certain that the Yams are effectively oot of cash and that any suspended sanction will have to be applied sooner rather than later....
Have to say I agre with you 100% on this Si. It is something of a 'get out' action from the SPL which will eventually keep everybody happy, excepting the Yams long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
A suspended points deduction gives the Yams every chance to get their house in order, safe in the knowldege that they probably have no chance of ever achieving this. So it looks like the SPL are being fair to the Yams by suspending the deduction, then in a month or two, hit them with a deduction which accumulates every month thereafter that wages/bills go unpaid, which will leave them with no points at the end of the season :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by MB62;3387860[B
Ok, but what about the signing embargo? Does that get lifted if they are given a suspended points deduction. I'd rather the embargo stayed before any suspended sentence.
I'm not sticking up for the Yams here, but more bemoaning the logic that our games administrators seem to work under. Where is the justice in hitting someone with a fine for a second offence when you haven't given them time to put their house in order. Surely the September hearing should have been held before the wages were due in October?Quote:
Originally Posted by MB62
Johnny Yam turns round and says - if we had been warned what the punishment was for a second offence we wouldn't have done it, in fact when we weren't able to pay the October wages, we hadn't been found guilty of anything.
I take it I am missing something, because it just seems like the SFA are making up the rules as they go along. I expect Vlad knows he can tell them to bolt by taking his case to a court of justice.
I don't understand why it took so long to meet and the sub-committee couldn't have got together when they were on their jolly to the Scotland games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
I do understand why they (by the way SPL not SFA) are following procedure and it is to ensure that Mad Vlad can't tell them to stick it and go to court. A defence of I could have made the payment, but didn't, as I wanted to find out what you really meant by punishment wouldn't have much merit.
There were several occasions last season when their wages were late, so presumably someone must have pointed out that it was wrong to do so and not just the SPFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
Also, it's a matter of SPL procedure, and common knowledge amongst clubs, that transfers are embargoed when payments are missed.
Johnny Yam knows fine and well that what they did in September was against the rules.
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Originally Posted by Filled Rolls
The SPL are a bunch of fannies but in this case its all Hearts fault. They've had more than enough time to get their house in order and they knew at the beginning of the season that there would be sanctions for late wage payments because they agreed to the new rules. If they want to run the risk of finding out what these sanctions are then let them. 100% their problem. Even if it was hibs I would be saying this, but its not so :fenlon
Reprimand is a bit like a yellow card, it'll remain until another one is earned then see wht sanction is imposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibbyAndy
They should be better off now though as they will be getting money from home gates so wouldn't expect them to be late next month.
Surely the outcome tomorrow will be the transfer embargo extended until January and only stopped when they pay 3 months on the bounce on right date. There should also be a suspended points deduction for future non-payments.
Only home game before next pay is Ross County this week. After that the next is St Mirren the day after wages due. Given the huge amount of seasons they claim, walk-ups will be pretty thin on the ground. They have a LC quarter-final away to DU, but don't know when they'll get the cash for that, not that there will be a huge crowd for that anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by comfortablynumb
Unless Vlad has relented and promised funds in time and on time, it looks pretty ropey, and I'd be having a look in Cash Converters windows to see if there's anything resembling a Scottish Cup on display
There's so many other costs accrued by home games like stewarding, policing, ambulance (i assume they have to pay for them to be on site), utilities, printing for programmes, non footballing staff plus others i'm sure i'm missing out on i just can't see around 1500 paying punters covering all these costs and funding over paid footballers on thousands a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hackett
IMO they have to still be getting funding from somewhere else or alternatively they're robbing peter to pay Paul which will surely come back to bite them even if it has taken longer than we all expected.
I think this is the problem the punishment should be automatic with no need for a hearing. The spl and the sfa love making things more difficult than they need to be. The only time there should be a meeting is if there's an appealQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
1500 paying punters at a home game at say on average £20 a head (that's being generous as there'll be concessions) is £30000 per match day and say there's on average 2 home games a month you're looking at roughly £60000 a month.
£60000 a month divided by their first team squad of 47 would work out on average first team weekly wage of about £1200 and that doesn't include management, coaches, youth teams and other outgoings i mentioned earlier.
In short there's basically no way there match day income even comes close to covering there staffing costs so i think it's irrelevant if they've got one home game or two coming up as they must be getting funding from elsewhere, i think vlad must still be supporting them but he's just not making it as easy as he used to for them.
Superswally has been on the telly asking the SPL to be easy on the jambos. :pfgwa
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Originally Posted by tamsonsbairn
What the f&&k does it have to do with the manager of a 3rd division reincarnation of another cheating bunch of......Ohhhhhhh! Words fail me:grr:......it's the same with all these clowns coming to the defense of Le Vain over the last week
Remember that there is VAT on football tickets, so of the £20 average entry free less than £17 'belongs' to the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Try telling that to Rangers(IA) :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
That's actually an average monthly wage of £1200 mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Ha ha, there was me trying to be a smart erse with all my figures as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
That probably highlights my point even more then(I think), home games will make very little difference to whether players get paid or not.
I'd be surprised if they don't get a suspended point penalty tomorrow, and I'd be surprised if they manage to avoid it being implemented.
And the next one.............
:agree:anything uttered from that tit Doncaster thesedays, never ceases to surprise me. him and his cronies will tout the fact that they need to consider legal process ,blah blah no doubt but the facts are that HMOFC have thumbed their noses at virtually anything that's came out of the SPL heirarchy over this issue.It is a well known fact to all and sundry that the new rules state that a "club" must notify the spl in writing if they will be in breach of rules re-wages. Hmofc did that,and still Doncaster says that they will give them some sort of hearing ?? I'm mistifyed,not puzzled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Sadly the SPL don't appear to have the brains to set this up. Imagine if the courts worked this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
You have been found guilty of murder. You are a naughty boy don't do it again or you will be in big trouble.
You have been found guilty of murder again. Don't do it again or I'll be really cross with you, I'm taking your Xbox off you.
You have been found guilty of murder for a third time. Right I've had enough, go and stand in the naughty corner.
A club may have a legitimate excuse for not paying wages on time (eg NatWest ****ing up their payments a couple of months ago). You need an initial hearing to determine how and why the late payment happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry