Equal shares with four close relatives would do, shirley? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Equal shares with four close relatives would do, shirley? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Any of the shareholders over 25%=The power of HM Govt comes down on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
5 relatives @16%+you@16%=96%=Carry on Oligarchy.
That’s how I read it anyway.
Shirley you and four relatives would have 20% each: all under the 25% rule, so carry on oligarching. I'm pretty suspicious of this sixth relative, and wonder if he/she might be Chinese.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
You seem to be suspiciously interested in the details of this mechanism :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
It feels like the example given in the article might have been worked out by Patel. https://metro.co.uk/video/priti-pate...d-out-2149924/Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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:greengrin:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Tories now welcoming Johnson to the party conference in Scotland.
Another U turn from the "Leader" in Scotland.
Either that, or he told us lies again.
Were his lips moving at the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
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Clearly thinking now he's a war hero, he's going to get a hero's welcome. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
https://twitter.com/glennbbc/status/...276807680?s=21
Douglas Ross no longer calling for Johnson to resign. [emoji23]
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YouGov seem to think Labour's lead has extended again. It's almost as though people haven't forgotten Johnson's double standards but have noticed this government's immoral attitude to prevaricating on supporting Ukrainian refugees.
They're running out of time, economic options and credibility to turn things around to avoid Prime Minister Starmer.
Aye, but what's Bozo's pal Murray Ross saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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a lickspittle Grade A brown nosed coward, show some backbone tory boy, i say show some backbone
https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...Uw&oe=622F6D4B
https://twitter.com/nytopinion/statu...572855296?s=21
Johnathan Pie’s latest commentary on our love of Russian money
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January - Douglas Ross insists he’s a man of principle who sticks to his guns
March - Douglas Ross accused of having the backbone of a jellyfish by the shameless LibDems
https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/s...42891446890510
His principle being self preservation at all costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
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If the Assistant Referee can't make a final decision, maybe it's time to bring in VAR.
"So the fourth official has had another look and, yes, it's definite, Boris is a lying, hypocritical git"
"Innocent" facade of the Lebedev/Johnson relationship starting to crumble.
Up until the invasion of Ukraine both have parroted Putin's take on politics. Eventually the overground media are going to start asking, why?
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/03/12/b...ning-standard/
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https://twitter.com/gabriel_pogrund/...590183938?s=21Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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https://twitter.com/sharonpentay/status/1502708362361950213?s=20&t=FdVVfAuxq7blj0Emugio7g
Tories loaning our money to Russian businessmen to keep their business interest afloat.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b672fce4ed8649
Seems fine
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https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/...y-and-treason/
The*Pulitzer Prize nominated journalist*Carole Cadwalladr, who is*facing ongoing libel action, has uncovered a chain of events that explain the*baffling award of a knighthood*to the sacked secretary of state for education, Gavin Williamson, as the world deals with*Putin’s attack on Ukraine.*The implications are shocking, raising the question of where Britain goes from here, as the ongoing scandals that have rocked Westminster continue to unfold.
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https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/s...YJ-b0pZIg&s=19
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Amazing. They installed Johnson to do a job (secure Brexit and win the 2019 election) and then remove when convenient by disseminating all these stories. But they can't get rid of him. It's fascinating.
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status...x0YK3dykA&s=19
In desperate need of a line.
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Michael Gove has a face only a mother can love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
He has been on the telly too much in recent days and I just find my blood boils whenever I see him.
The first comment is interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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It's just weird that they seem incapable of going a day without telling a lie. On Sunday he claimed on TV that the UK had issued 300,000 visas for Ukrainian refugees and it was only when asked to confirm that he corrected it to 3000, if he hadn't been asked he would have let it ride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Apart from that - what a performer he is.
Read something the other day that claimed 88% of Conservative Party information issued during the 2019 election campaign was porkies, that is some doing.
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I doubt they told 12% truths since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Yes, by "that is some doing" I meant the 12%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killiehibbie
For those who consider the feeling of "being British" is worth voting for this lot, "being British" must be some strong juju. Not as strong as ching Govey is on in the above clip of course. The sense of puzzlement on the Tory backbenches is also becoming more palpable, obviously not in on the game.
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https://twitter.com/markmcgeoghegan/...082137089?s=21
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Mental that anyone thinks Rishi Sunak, or even more crazy Liz Truss - are good at their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Thttps://pressgazette.co.uk/carole-ca...-trial-begins/Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Cadwalladr is being sued by Banks for repeated stating Banks took Russian money for the Brexit ref.
She has stated (para 12 of link ) that there is no evidence that any money changed hands but she wants the freedom to repeat it.
More fake news from award winning journalists , maybe.
What happened to the russia report?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Your not curious at all?
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Richie is only there because of the furlough moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Nothing suspicious or Orwellian here.
https://twitter.com/brokenbottleboy/...Q4kOv62zw&s=09
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There was also no evidence of Russian interference in our elections, as those tasked with finding out were told not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Cadwalladr has more integrity in he wee toe, than banks has in his ever increasing body.
Carrie Johnson(symonds) founder member of "conservative friends of Russia", nothing to see here. Move along, nothing to see, just like the Gray report.
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Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Cadwalladr wants the freedom to repeatedly smear Banks while admitting she has no evidence, meanwhile she is screaming abuse and misogyny because Andrew Neil compared her to a cartoon character.
I’ll risk another comparison , how about Goofy !
You're a Banks/Leave.eu supporter now? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Not sure why you'd want to re-parrot the misogynistic attacks on Cadwalladr? There's plenty of stuff on record coming from Isabel Oakeshott, a pro-Brexit journo who wrote a book with Banks co-operation and was a bit surprised at what she found in his emails.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...ouse-zmg80swqg
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...tion-7nbwc7m58
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ated-fg7tjd87l
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Nope, voted remain , but do get pissed off at folk who won’t accept the democratic decision of the people in a referendum.
What about the Democratic right to hold a referendum after winning an election with it in a manifesto?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
It wasn't democratic if people were lied to or given false information, and people and media organisations colluded to hide those lies from the electorate. We have an electoral commission for a reason, to protect the electoral process. The commission has been made toothless by those who don't wish us to have fair elections. If you don't care that our democracy (which you seem to think is important) has been jeopardised by outside forces then I suggest there's no hope for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Is that the only hook that Russian interference in our country, it's institutions and the ruling party of the country hangs on?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Putting something in a manifesto that is beyond the legal scope of a governments powers does not make suddenly legal because of a vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Besides SNP/greens got the minority of first votes in the election.
Out of interest , has Sturgeon revealed her legal advice on the power to hold a referendum yet ?
Thought not, but she’s spending taxpayers money on preparing for it, while squealing Scotland’s not getting enough from UK government despite the 10% Barnett formula increase.
HiDon’ know but,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I’m sure they would have loved to see a Yes result in 2014.
Break up UK, and get the the nukes kicked out of Faslane .
There hasn’t been a former SNP leader working for Russian state tv has there ?
The huge bump in Yes voting from precampaigning levels to referendum itself seems well dodgy, and likely the result of Russian social media manipulation as in the 2016 referendum. A warm up for that. Which is why Sturgeon is sensible to be wary of the often heard argument that as soon as campaigning starts in the next ref, Yes will attract way more than the regular ~50% polling intention levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I've never heard Sturgeon "squealing". What channel do you see that on? :dunno:
If I remember correctly the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 were all biased remainders, as were the leaders of all main political parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Remain also spent about 50% more on he referendum than leave , yet you think the referendum was stacked in Leaves favour.
Thinking back , if there was one event that tipped the vote in Leaves favour, it was the arrogance and intransigence of the EU.
The UK was getting huge amounts of foreign workers coming in and David Cameron went to EU to ask for some limitation powers for a couple of years, that Germany, France, Holland etc had had previously.
The EU said No, and Cameron came back empty handed
I thought at the time, that EU might just have tipped the balance of the vote.
The UK could have set out limits on immigration through free movement, just as Germany and France did and still do.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
They didn't need the EU's permission for this.
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There you go you agree. It could well be that RU have kompromat on Salmond.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Would you use that word about a male politician?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Do you have an issue with foreign workers coming to the UK? When it seems plain from the experience of the last year that we needed them?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
What a crock of ****. If you want to see arrogance anywhere just look at your beloved Johnson and his attitude to just about everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
It's not only a crock of **** - it's an outright lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Yeah, we all remember Question Time and how it never gave any airtime to that nice Mr Farage.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
See this is how a democracy works. A party puts things in their manifesto, the electorate vote for that party, they then become the government. That government then spends taxes on something that they told the electorate they would do. I'm delighted that some of my taxes will be spent in the preparation of an indyref 2 and hope to God that it us a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I dont really want my taxes spent in HS2, Crossrail, the HOC upgrade, Trident or any number of things that I disagree with but that's democracy for you. Thankfully in an independent Scotland my taxes won't be spent on those things
You're all over the place mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
You ask if the FM has revealed the legal advice on holding a referendum( something which no government does) but you knew that.
You then answer your own question in the 4th paragraph, without anyone knowing(apart from yourself apparently)
Chuck in something about only first votes counting, before claiming the FM is "squealing" about a lack of cash from your pals in Westminster.
Spending taxpayers money is her day job. 🌞
You've shoehorned a swipe about the FM squealing though, so you'll be a happy chappy.
The democratic right for a second referendum has not (yet) been denied. Current plan is to hold the referendum by the end of next year. Blackford though has indicated this timetable may be delayed but sturgeon has denied that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
My personal view is that if sturgeon asks for a referendum then it should be granted. I am less certain the request will actually be submitted but we need to wait for that to happen.
Should have added that I expect Johnson to say no when asked and I think that would be a mistake on his part.
I’m banking on it. The union moving from one based on consent, which I accept it is now, to one enforced by law is great for those who want independence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
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Is it though? A recent poll suggested otherwise and if that's the SNPs long term plan then it could backfire. Taken from this recent article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...is-fading-away
"A new poll shows that only one-third of Scots want a referendum on independence to take place within the next two years. And while only a slim majority (51 per cent) support holding Britain together, the poll also found that only one-third of Scots believe it would be wrong for the UK Supreme Court to decide whether a referendum can take place.
Constitutional powers being decided at the UK level is, it turns out, absolutely fine with most Scots. That matters, because the Supreme Court could be the crucial institution that decides whether a poll can take place (that is, if law officers at Holyrood even let it get that far)."
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Spending tax payers money on things that are illegal are not job, day or night .
If it were illegal you and your chums would be down the court of session tout de suite. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
What’s illegal?Quote:
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tories going even further right.... dangerous people looking for votes from those right wing types with the same views as them....vile
Phantom Power on Twitter: "Even UKIP didn’t want anything to do with Paul Henke for a century. Now he’s Douglas Ross’s council candidate for Stirling. @ScotTories https://t.co/qVYCinNOWv" / Twitter
A route to Scottish independence via democracy if some folk had their way.Quote:
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” beloved Johnson “ ??Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I don’t think I’ve posted anything complimentary about Boris Johnson on this or any other site.
But you just go on making things up, if it makes you feel better.
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Whats illegal ? Something that’s not legal.
ie Holding a referendum without legal power to do so.
Remember Catalonia.
They haven’t done that?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Jonathon pie :) Opinion | How Putin Weaponized London’s Greed - The New York Times (nytimes.com) love the apt Londongrad, Moscow on Thames :greengrin
How did the tories do in the 2019 election? Certainly less than the other parties got.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Pain in the arse innit!!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I get that sort of chat all the time. Best ignored really, they have no interest in discussing things with you, just point-scoring.
Do you have the advice that she's done something illegal. Please share, as I'd like to see it. 😂👀Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I suppose if you can't provide that evidence, then you'd be accused of the thread title. ⚡
I'll point out here that I've not indulged in "Boris loving" whatever but have called greenginger out on an actual item he has posted but it is him that has ignored it.Quote:
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I have no issues whatsoever , but a lot of people did, hence the vote by those individuals.Quote:
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Yeah, whereas shrill stuff about "squealing" Sturgeon and illegal referendums is just jim dandy for open minded discussion. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Let's just call it 3-0 to you.
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Originally Posted by greenginger
Oh I'm sorry, did I conflate support of Johnson's right wing policies with support of the man himself? How remiss of me. Let's imagine instead of saying "beloved Johnson" I said "beloved right wing policies". Is that better?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
And do you think it's ok that if a lot of people are racist, as long as they're in the majority, then it's ok to follow racist policies? Is that your view of what democracy should be? Do you have no concept about how we should be treating other people, about whether we should be better than we are?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Holding a referendum may be illegal, in your opinion, but it wouldn't be unlawfulQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
We agree for a change :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
If boris is ever asked the question, my view is that he should agree. That gets around the anti democracy claim.
He should then get on the front foot to set the terms of the referendum while also ensuring the case for the union is made and the case for independence exposed. I am pretty confident that Scotland would choose to remain in the UK, but accept that if we don’t then so be it.
I suspect though we will be in a never ending stand off as sturgeon doesn’t have the confidence she will win a referendum and boris or whoever is in charge doesn’t need to do anything.
"Made"/"exposed"?Quote:
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Eh ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I could have the wrong poster but weren’t you complaining/slagging the first minister for not calling a referendum quick enough, and questioning what could possibly be holding it up, only a few days ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Open minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Utter madey up garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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My opinion is that it was a lot simpler than that - racist people tipped the balance.Quote:
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That and all the lies.
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bizarre :agree:
Challenge if you prefer ?Quote:
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Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I know you won’t believe it but I have a more open mind than I had in 2014. Granted though I am probably as likely to change my mind as you are. I would like the case to be published so we can assess what the detailed plans are.
ah the momories, from grade A Tory t*t Fraser, hundreds more
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another nasty right winger whos views won't be missed Shrewsbury MP Daniel Kawczynski deletes Twitter after row over Ukrainian refugee post | ShropshireStar
Shrewsbury MP Daniel Kawczynski has deleted his Twitter account saying he no longer has confidence in the platform.
Aye, saw you post the same thing on another thread only a few days ago. I was just surprised to see you'd made your mind up "before" the detailed plans have been published. 😂Quote:
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John Crace on Twitter: "In his Telegraph article today, Johnson blames west for not responding to Russia's annexation of crimea in 2014. Same Boris who balamed the EU for the invasion of crimea" / Twitter
In his Telegraph article today, Johnson blames west for not responding to Russia's annexation of crimea in 2014. Same Boris who
Simply what I said, illegal and unlawful are two different things. Holding a referendum may be unlawful but it can't be illegal because there is no legislation preventing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Hope pics inQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I didn’t have you down as still being undecidedQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
https://www.google.com/search?q=what%20happens%20if%20the%20scottish%20go vernment%20does%20something%Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Yeah, but if the Scot gov does something unlawful it is immediately invalid and a complete waste of time and money.