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Somebody has to make sacrifices so that BDO can collect their fee :-)
About BDO. I've heard folk go on about BDO racking up their fees in a way that suggests they will be paid sometime in the future.
My understanding is that the fee is being paid on a ongoing basis i.e. monthly.
Anyone know for sure?
Why would he be concerned about timescales? I thought the CVA was in the bag?Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
:-)
My uinderstanding is they secure a % of the gate receipts so with a few weeks until the next drawdown they need to make cutsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack
There are Hibs fans who have convinced themselves they'll avoid the drop too!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenStar
My thinking as well. BDO seem to be softening a big blow coming up you think??? Would like to hear CWG's thoughts. :not worthQuote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
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Originally Posted by Mikey
There are? :faf:
Direct the football maybe?:dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by TQM
They have had a real job getting it forward recently and its not unreasonable for a big team to employ a man or two to point out to the wee mites where the goals are / what direction they should be going with the ball, they are very young after all and may not know, its been so long since they haven't been playing backwards.
ooops.....:hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSauzee
Sorry if this is the wrong thread but
I thought Brown wasn't getting paid? I must be wrong if Herts are binning him for financial reasons, unless those financial reasons are they're worried about the fines he'll earn them with his outbursts.
in relation to the media turning against them, maybe it's because a lot of the journs support other teams and have had enough of the treatment Herts have received up to now. I noticed a couple of articles at the weekend that were pointed out in here saying where was the fair play when Herts won two Scottish cups with players they couldn't afford.
a mate of mine does a bit of reporting on matches and he was saying that Hamilton have a team who've already racked up loads of games despite still being relatively young. Looking at their current squad and if the figures on Soccerbase are right then it's something like this
Ziggy Gordon -20 year old, 60 appearances
Grant Gillespie 22 years old 64appearances
Ali Crawford -22 years old 75appearances
Stephen Hendrie - 21 years old, 58appearances
here's a team currently second in their league whose youngsters have already got a lot of appearances between them. If you're good enough it shouldn't matter how old you are. I think Herts are making a big deal about the youngsters being too young. Imagine being 16 or 17 and going to school or college during the week and then playing top league football at the weekend you'd be cheesin'!
also, wasn't Pele 17 when he played in the World Cup? Good to know after his heroics he'd be told to rest by Locke as he'd be too young...
My thoughts are full of fricking Tax Returns, so don't expect too much sense from me. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikey09
I am kind of surprised that this didn't happen sooner. However, I think that the past month of results has concentrated minds just a tad.
Must be one of the best quotes from thickback!Quote:
Does anybody know what we are waiting on in Lithuania?
Can anyone help? lol
These salary cuts have really come out of the blue. I think this is a definite sign that they know they're scuppered.
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Originally Posted by Paperboy
Been covered already but, he only worked for free last summer for a short while. He was then given a six month (paid) contract that they've decided not to extend.
That's what was reported by bbc today. Skatchul won't make cup semi final because of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antwerphibs
They'll no doubt try and argue that too.
Once ICT knock em out cup then it's the serious tuff stuff ahead :-)
'Does anybody know what we are waiting on in Lithuania?'Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Agreed - THAT is, by far, superb !!
It also sums up the IQ-level required to support them - their 30+ years of 'Finance Football' has attracted the type of fan from Edinburgh who'd normally grow-up supporting one of the OF !!!
:faf::faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Desperate Dan
We know the latter. The chief reason BB's contract is not being renewed is that he's:Quote:
Originally Posted by Famous Fiver
- (unbelievably) an embarrassment to the club with his outbursts
- Aged 63
- Has nothing to offer Hearts, or any club, in terms of coaching and development
- Has a son who works at Musselburgh dole office
My view is they are a or lot nearer the big L than most people realise and that BJ is cranking up the ante for some bad news to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey09
Tax returns for me too but a relatively quiet day today. I think cash flow, or lack of it, must now be biting hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Who is John Murray and who needs a DoF when you can't sign anyone and all contracts are being organised by BDO.
Big of Southern to take a cut now....wait until the well is as good as dry then take a cut when you know you will be out of a job in a matter of months anyway. He was as complicit as Romanov in the ruining odd their club but continued to take his contracted salary even when their supporters were giving the club their kids Christmas money.
What surprises me about that stv story is that their CEO and DoF where on the same pre administration salaries, post admin!! Even though they laid off office staff and playing staff, these two, who you can bet arenae on wee salaries either both kept taking their substantial chunk every month, think they've both been extracting the urine.
" Hearts hope to keep Stevenson despite Romanian interest "
#ALLISBARRY`s usual spin of course.
This translates as 'BDO have been trying to push him out the door but now they`ve worked out that the one in, one out tactic wont work if they sell him, he`s staying here..'
http://Hearts hope to keep Stevenson...anian interest
Its crazy eh? I'm keeping my powder dry until its official, but, being a local in a pub that has more than its fair share of the deluded ones is magic entertainment! SMAXXA will know where I mean. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
So when did this transfer embargo openly is now one in and one out.
Simply ridiculous as if there not out of administration it should only be on an emergency basis -surely ?
So So True :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deansy
A quick shufty on any keekboak thread will confirm that, whilst there are one or two with an IQ larger than their shoe size, the general membership are just glory hunting morons. Their wee 'big team' bubble is rapidly deflating, and these will be the ones who will not be able to cope with the ignominy of lower league status.
Feels like the end game coming up when they are scrimping and saving on tenners now.
Even over on keekback the penny is starting to drop.
They are skint and going down the pan soon :thumbsup:
What's the difference between dotnet and don'tcomeback?
We are looking at the further cut backs over there and thinking the end is getting tantalizingly close.
They think they're freeing up wages for all their new signings.
Scottish Fans (@ScottishFans)
15/01/2014 18:30
Former Hearts player Andy Driver on trial with Yeovil - buff.ly/1cp0Mtd
:confused: How TF can Yeovil afford £20m players? :panic:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
I feel a tiny bit of sympathy for Driver as Hearts turned down a bid from Burnley which I think was in region of £2-3M. If Hearts had been sensible and not valued him at some ridiculous amount then his career would have taken a different path than getting a trial at Yeovil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
So it's a case of the gun is loaded, just waiting on BDO to pull the trigger??:not worthQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
He would still have ended up on the treatment table wherever he wentQuote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
Surely must have something to do with no home game for around a month? Hopefully we charged the ****my bams a fortune for ripping up the seats too.
Obviously played too many games as a younster. Player welfare wasnae an issue back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
http://m.scotsman.com/sport/chelsea-...iver-1-1244026
Personal favourite of mine from the all is barry team.
Yep,Brown yesterday and now this clearly suggests all is not well in the piggy bankQuote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
Feels like the Media should be asking the SPFL what contingency they have for Hearts being unable to fulfil their fixtures, or if they are completely up to speed with Hearts financial position (not just BDO spin). If the Yams go pop, there's no excuse for the SPFL not being prepared.
For the reason they would not want to further jeopardise a member club the SPFL would give such a non answer it would be a waste of ink printing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
A contingency plan isn't needed. It's also not the SPFL's job to get involved with the running of clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
If Hearts are unable to fulfil their fixtures the league will be recalculated, with all fixtures against them being void. Another team will be brought in to the bottom of the league structure to replace them and the rest of the teams will shimmy up to make room.
THanks for that - a great laugh!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
"Hearts fans are the wealthiest in Scotland" :na na: oh my sides!
:agree: Save me a seat at the bar just a soda water for me though am aff the drink :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
We would hit the top six in that scenarioQuote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
He's obviously taken a wage cut to realise his lifelong dream of playing in a green and white shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
It really wouldn't surprise me if they thought **** it. They've shafted us so let's shaft them and fail to complete our fixtures.
Bear in mind they've brought it all upon themselves.
They'd only be shafting themselves. If the failed to complete fixtures they'd be booted out the league and I'm almost certain that means their prize money is distributed to the rest of the clubs. The first time they done it they would be held responsible for costs to the other team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
They wouldn't be daft enough to do it until they were out of the League Cup anyway
:agree: I`d be quite happy with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Your right there Bajillions. It's like every single thing they are doing in recent weeks is plastered all over the place, media and press coverage etc these recent cuts etc are a prime example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Look at us poor poor us and look what we are having to do now. Having to sack a pensioner blah blah blah.
They are close and with no game at home until 22 or so of Feb there is no income.
They are also desperate to get players in for the SF.
Are you 100% with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
I seem to recall when Gretna were on the brink that the SPL were talking about their matches being recalculated as 3-0 to their opposition, regardless of previous results.
Of course, with all this euphoria at their demise, I might have dreamt that during a wet dream.
Ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
(Laughing at the last sentence. Cannot bold it)
Pretty sure I heard Brian Jackson say on STV news that Stevenson might be going but 'we want him to stay obviously.' Thought that was a strange thing for him to say, given his role in this affair
See this is the bit I'm starting to struggle with. I thought BDO were there to run the club and bring in money in order for the club to survive. (That amongst other things)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonnyboy
I have a funny feeling that if the SF had been this weekend and they were papped oot it by ICT then I believe that there may of been an exodus of what saleable players they have.
Poacher turned gamekeeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonnyboy
Or he's got Stockholm Syndrome.
Yes your right. I seem to remember hearts getting beat twice from them that season and it would have made them 6 points better off or worse against hibs (cant quite remember which hearts team was around back then)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
That's a possibility as well, I'm not 100% on what would happen. If that does happen that works out nicely for us because us and Aberdeen are the only ones to lose to them all season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
Celtic's 7-0 was in the Scottish Cup as well so that wouldn't be altered.
To us maybe but someone behind the scenes will have several contingency plan and this is obviously part of one of those.It could also be they have been told what to do from afar if they are to be serious about the fan ownership bid going through .If they go out league cup it will be interesting as they might be banking on the extrarevenues from a final .Pity yogi can't buy a win in last few weeks not convinced they will handle this game give last experience so hear7s will be wanting some experience in to take penalties. There's too Mutch speculation and it is about time they were made to come clean with where they are in this sordid saga Its totally unedifying .Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
Don't think the SPFL know either , the rules are pretty much open to interpretation and there are several options ....... Favourite phrase in the rule seems to be and/or :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Club Ceasing to Operate, Participate in and/or be a Member of the League
C53 If, for any reason and during or after any Season, any Club ceases to operate or participate in or to be member of the League or any Play-Off Competition, its playing record in the League and/or any Play-Off Competitions may be expunged by the Board and/or the Board may determine the deemed score in the remainder of its Official Matches and/or the Board may take such steps and make such determinations as to League and Divisional position and/or promotion and/or relegation and participation and/or results in and outcome of any Play-Off Competition and/or any other competition operated by the Company and any and all such further or other steps or measures as the Board shall consider appropriate in the circumstances.
.....and that their attendances haven't been what they'd hoped. In fact, nowhere near.Quote:
Originally Posted by keekaboo
I was thinking exact same watching STV sport earlier on. Good on him for sucking up all their cash revenue though :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
But it is the governing body's responsibility to govern the league and the conduct of its members. They have and should be seeking assurances (and proof) that all members can complete their fixtures, abide by the rules etc and where necessary being proactive in mitigating/managing risks. Sitting back and reacting to events (legal or otherwise) isn't what we need from the SPFL /SFA. Saw far too much of that with SEVCO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Maybe CWG or someone who had worked with Jackson before could be better placed to answer this, but body language wise Bryan Jackson looked very very uncomfortable again, swallowing before answers noticeably and looking nervous. He was the same in an interview he gave at Tynecastle a few months back when things went a wee bit **** up. Maybe it's the way he is in front of cameras but he didn't look assured as he often does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia Na Eir
I'm now more convinced than ever that there are huge problems behind the scenes waiting to come out. Yogi - you better not give them a lifeline in that semi final boy :cb
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
A DoF usually identifies transfer targets and negotiates contracts. Why was this character not emptied right away by BDO? Registration ban in place so wtf has the guy been doing since the summer? Doesn't make sense to me that BDO kept him on in the first place. Hell mend them.
The SPFL is a democracy, not a dictatorship. It's comprised of all the member clubs so them asking each other for information on each others finances etc is just asking for trouble. We were all adamant Hearts wouldn't finish last season and they did, the SPFL have to let them get on with it I'm afraid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
The SFA and SPFL are there to deal with sport, not business.
Wonderful stuff. Obviously no quotes to substantiate the main story, although nice to know Billy Broon thought Kyle was a Scotland player.Quote:
Originally Posted by CB_NO3
'Abramovich and Romanov have been in talks over Driver.'
'Abramovich believes Driver could thrive in England.'
Does Abramovich even know who Romanov is?
I take it its not just me that gets a nice wee tingle down there when I read Baj's posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
I doubt that'll impress Lauren too much! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Disagree entirely. The SFA/SPFL are there to administer the game in this country. In other countries clubs have to follow fair play rules such as only spending a set proportion of their turnover on wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
These rules would have avoided Rangers, Hearts and Motherwell getting in the mess they are and other clubs being cheated. Rules such as these should be brought in asap.
Just noticed that there have been over 5.2 million views on this thread. The population of Scotland is "around 5.2 million" according to the Scottish government.
Frightening eh!
In that case I feel Rebellious ,let's attempt a Coup It's about time someone started Dictating to Hearts and get them off their Soap Box .Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
Does anyone know if Richie Foran will be back for the SF? Big player for them. Been out with a shoulder injury since the Sheep game before Xmas. Yogi thought maybe two weeks at first, however I remember reading that it could be much longer if it was worst case scenario after a scan. Not seen any update since.
There's plenty of wriggle room in that. I think the most likely outcome would be to have the Yams limp on until the split and then let them die, with all their results still being valid as everyone has had the opportunity to beat them three times. The top six would be unaffected and the clubs in the bottom five would then have two home and two away games each to avoid the play off place. Only flaw would be that those clubs would have an imbalance of home and away fixtures based on the first 33 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wee Scottie Dug
Definite FACT, Abramovich never drives his own car and the old chauffeur's hat was a perfect fit for Romanov so he got the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
Billy goat also thinks Gary Locke is a "top" manager.
i`m not 100% sure but i think he`s out for a fair while and will miss it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NadeAteMyLunch!
......just checked up on that. They hoped he`d only be out for around two or three weeks, so he may be back.
Yeah, I checked as well and can't seem to see anything released since the 24th Dec. Just says 2-3 weeks but could potentially be much longer. He could make a massive difference to ICT
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
Yeah, he would. Let`s hope he makes it..:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by NadeAteMyLunch!
We aren't in another country, we're in Scotland and our game is run by the clubs. It would certainly be lovely to have a dedicated organisation tasked with sticking their nose in here, there and everywhere and keeping the game clean but our game isn't big enough for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PatHead
It doesn't matter what the sport is or what country it's played in, participants will bend the rules and some will break them.
Over at 'Pay-cuts-R-us' they've got a thread about 'If you bumped into Vladimir Romanov in the street, what would you say to him?'
http://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index....ou-say-to-him/
'Thanks for the majority of my best memories at football games. I will probably never ever experience anything even close to that ever again'
And so on and so on - only 2/3 'Anti-Vlad' comments. Reads like they care more for him than their own club. Would be nice if some of the media saw this - might put an end to all the 'poor, suffering, jambos' guff !!. A truly nauseating-support.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...late-1-3269666
All's not well in Dingly Dell as the natives turn on each other at ***********.....Hearts the gift that keeps on given.
Yeah saw that one.....pathetic eh ?.....sooner they go bust the better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deansy
I would say, as a Hibee who loves to see the Jambos suffer, there can never be enough speculation and I'm more than happy for the situation to carry on for the same reason you give (because youre right, it is totally unedifying - the jambos being shown up as completely lacking in class, dignity and respect for the rules of sporting competition)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
Eh ? The SFA are responsible for running due diligence on Directors/owners of football clubs (fit and proper), making sure that all payments to players under contract are declared (Sevco double contracts), etc etc. That's all about conduct of business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bajillions
The clubs are responsible for those things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Saw a report that the SPFL board cannot convene till 3 February to discuss any request from Hertz about players to come in. Skacel, therefore, cannot play in the League Cup semi under any circumstances. Even better, they have to lose a player before that weekend to facilitate his arrival.
I think the main reason to getting Skacel in apart from the SF is the fact they are desperate for the cash his signing would probably push up the muppets attendances by a few thousand when otherwise they had nothing to really go along for
Yes, I appreciate that but if they are out of the League Cup and relegation is a certainty, I can't see many of the unwashed continuing to turn up. Still, they have surprised me with the number who have kept faith despite really bad results etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeds green
Not for long but for a couple of home gates they willQuote:
Originally Posted by Bill Milne
Problem is we don't know how many have kept the faith; only a few people in Tynecastle know that. It's blatantly not the numbers the Hearts are publishing,anyway - just like Celtic aren't getting 40k+ at any games despite their claims. I was at Parkhead for Celtc vs Aberdeen in November. Despite masses of empty seats in every stand (and the top teir of one stand being shut and occupied with banners) they still claimed over 49k were there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Milne
It's embarrassing.
Wouldn't surprise me if Celtic and the Yams were publishing the number of empty seats!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Governor
Oh dear :jamboak:
I'd just to like to go on record to state that I would let Ryan McGowan do bad things to me.
From Kickback
Um... OkQuote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Yikes. LTYF ever been more appropriate?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
:confused: Am i missing something here or what???Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Kinda hoping that is a quote from 20pointsback:confused: If not Im snookered as to what it means :green grin Personally I wouldnae let him lick the cr@p off ma shoesQuote:
Originally Posted by marti1875
Our Vlad seems to be involved with some real nasty people over in Moscow.
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...IHgeDT84tPjmNQ
I wonder if he knows what Medals Mckay has been saying about him. :greengrin
Possibly "don't leave your phone lying around".Quote:
Originally Posted by marti1875
'Other reasons' behind Broon's departure... I wonder what they could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoonTheSlope
And nice to see Fatty Foulkes back in the press to opine on the coaching structure at Hearts, what a windbag.
Ah aye, maybe he's just forgot to put the quotes thingy in fae they deluded ones over on 20pointsback....if not i think he needs serious help :greengrin:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by vince1973
Where were all the dissenters when their mess was being created !! Medals McKay sounds very reasonable NOW. Also, I don;t recall any of the people involved with Hearts at the start of the season saying Hearts could not pull back the 15 points. They kept that quiet as it might have put a real dampener on the cake sales and face painting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoonTheSlope
And to the Hibs fans who always suck up to them in their responses to these articles...
.....go to hell! Not all Hibs fans think Hearts are essential. If any club is run into the ground, including Hibs, then you must face the consequences.Quote:
It seems that this historic Scottish club must fall even further before it begins to recover, when all the joking is set aside most Hibs fans would admit that a strong Hearts is essential to not only Scottish football but even more relevant to the City and Hibernian,
Internal politics on the go according to Stuart Bathgate.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoonTheSlope
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...ding-1-3270117
Well done that man , :jamboak:Kinda gives it away .Quote:
Originally Posted by vince1973
And the LTYF bit :giruy: