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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
No they probably don’t but share ownership is much more widespread in the US than the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
There is also much more awareness of how markets pact their wealth (401k’s etc.) that here. Oddly most people in the UK still have no idea what their workplace pensions actually are or what they are invested in.
So while your point is accurate a rising stock market does have a significantly bigger influence in the US in politics than it ever has in say the UK elections.
Kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
You are probably spot on. Absolutely mentalQuote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Funnily enough they depict James Woods as a crackpot in Family Guy, Seth McFarlane has a wicked sense of humour and anyone is fair game on that show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
Off topic, butyou just reminded me of a Facebook post I had from a Sevco supporter telling me not to use McDonalds as "they admit in their accounts to funding the IRA".Quote:
Originally Posted by RyeSloan
The truth was that they funded their employees' Individual Revenue Accounts, or, as we would call them, pensions.
Similar to the Hun in the pub story who during the World Cup and the bunting was up took out his lighter and went to burn the Ivory Coast flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
For reference
Ivory Coast = 🇨🇮
Ireland = 🇮🇪
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They are also different proportions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Ivory Coast is 2:3 while Ireland is 1:2
Religion is partly a factor as some say we have God on our sideQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
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Bob Dylan summed that attitude up well in his song of that nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
Speaking now, taking credit for the vaccine.
I had to turn off the sound to save my screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Good news in Michigan.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/trump-michigan-election/index.html
Whatever next?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
He'll be telling folk to inject themselves with this new fangled bleach thing that he's just invented.
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
As Obama said a lot of trumps win in 2016 was a delayed reaction to his win in 2008 and 2012. There are a lot of not very nice folk in the USA and I’m afraid trump has just fuelled their prejudices. How the hell you ever get the USA back to something like an even keel seems an impossible task when Alex Jones still gets tens of millions following his total lunacy. Sad times that it’s like that as I so enjoy going there on hols especially New York.
It's his version of the truth and that's good enough for 70 million Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Important to remember that most natives of New York (or any big city, or the west coast, Pacific North West and Boston and New England) look at what’s happened since 2016 with the same bafflement as we do. Two Americas.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
Didn’t meet one New Yorker who supported trump. Such a vibrant city and felt totally safe. A true reflection of the good of America.
They'll be the ones that'll follow his medical advice and leave the vaccines for everyone else.[emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
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It's a strange country to visit. I had my own mind set of how Americans would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
First visited in 1992 and in 2 weeks didn't hear anyone swear and everyone I spoke to was nice and polite. Changed my mindset.
Hard to believe 70 million of them voted for Mad Mad Jack McMad
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Originally Posted by mjhibby
There's at least one poster on here that lives in New York and supports Trump.
I have opposing political views but I don't think demonizing people helps.
Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not saying you were demonizing anybody :-)
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Originally Posted by mjhibby
Looks like ca. 3,7 million New Yorkers voted Biden while 2.8 million voted Trump - who increased his share of the vote from 2016 - you need to try harder :greengrin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elect...new-york-2020/
New York City isn't the complete Liberal panacea we all imagine it to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeJay
Trump has his pals and some major donors amongst the Manhattan elite and then you have the classic blue collar, mostly white borough of Staten Island which is widely regarded as 'Trump Country' by their fellow New Yorkers.
The wider state of New York is much more Trumpest than you would imagine.
Obviously the more rural counties to the north, up to the border with Canada are majority Trump in support but more importantly its the huge urban expanse beyond Brooklyn and Queens that goes deep into the heart of Long Island that is majority Trump too.
This is communities such as Levittown, an area which was the forerunner to the classic American suburban neighbourhoods that appeared all over America post WW2.
These 'white flight' towns are the real battle ground and in New York state Trump is surprisingly popular.
I’m aware of the new nuances of New York. I merely stated that I didn’t meet one person who supported trump when I was there and I have friends who have been there who say the same. Maybe all the trump supporters are like the tories here who stay quiet and never tell the pollsters their true voting intentions. One of my favourite places in the world to visit and nothing like I was led to believe by some media outlets in the USA.
Can I demonise them. If you support trump you are either an idiot or a racistQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
That's unfair, there's also the possibility that they're simply selfish, naive, misogynistic, uneducated, homophobic or simply willing to turn a blind eye to all the aforementioned to get a few extra cents on their pension.Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54716550
Who's going to get him first?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex...97HfEyR6m8wAEE
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President Trump doesn't matter.
https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/sta...598498304?s=20
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Wow, that is really moving.
I wish all the numbskulls protesting on the streets about (non-existent) election fraud, plus the other numbskulls in the Whitehouse, would watch this.
The problem is how entrenched they all are. I had a look at a site called christianchat.com and they are shutting down anyone who voted Biden as being anti-Christian and anti-American. These are the people who follow the televangelists who ate telling them that God said Trump would win. They view anything supporting Biden as satanic. And they are a decent sized voting bloc with closed minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Originally Posted by AltheHibby
So not actually very Christian, then.
Gullible saps.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
https://twitter.com/keithedwards/sta...722129923?s=21
Caught on tape trying to blackmail the Georgia governor to fix the election. Surely that’s a chargeable offence in about 3 weeks time?
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
My thoughts exactly.
That's surely incitement to fix the vote in his favour.
I'm what way did he try to blackmail him? The bit at the end about the election "coming up on Tuesday"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I understand that the senate is voting for a new senator in Georgia.
Is trump trying to influence an election?
That could well backfire on the Republicans, here's hoping eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I’m sure he says that the Georgia official committed an illegal offence. I suppose that could be considered a threat considering his position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
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There is a senate run off election in Georgia on Tuesday for two senators. If the Democrats win both then they take the house and have control of all three branches of govt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Ah right, I understand. Pretty tame by his previous standards IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's clear that Trump wanted the Governor to falsify the election results, but he probably didn't quite say enough to be charged with an offence which would stand up in court.
That he's corrupt is obvious and he shouldn't have been trying to put pressure on like that, but in all likelihood he had Guiliani by his side as he made the call and stayed just on the unprovable side of illegal.
The tape should take some steam out of the Republicans' futile efforts tomorrow to reject Biden's confirmation, but that's about it, imo.
It mental that we are living in a time that a tape like that isn't wholly surprising
Absolutely bonkers
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Yep, bizarre that Trump did the call personally but typically arrogant bullying behaviour that he did. Good on the guy for standing up to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Even Richard Nixon at least tried to distance the presidency itself from doubtful behaviour or worse but I guess Nixon was just an old fashioned crook who lacked some of Trumps more abhorrent characteristics.
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Yup. Bonkers and terrifying. Trump has his supporters so scared of some bizarre socialist conspiracy he's walking them into a dictatorship (or trying his hardest to at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
He needs to be prosecuted for any crimes committed after he's out of the White House. If he gets away with his rampant criminal behaviour then the next Trump that comes along is going to be smarter and more competent than him. Which is a very scary prospect for America.
Sadly that’s incorrect. The three branches of government are executive (President, Democrat), legislative (Senate AND Representatives=Congress, currently split, potentially 50/50 with a Democrat casting vote if both Tuesday results go blue), and judicial (Supreme Court appointed judges, Republican).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The judicial branch will stay GOP controlled for decades because of the number and youth of the Trump nominees. The only way to overturn this veto on progressive legislation is for Biden to nominate a similar number of liberal judges. This could spark a war of new appointees every time a new president comes in and descend the system (either further) into farce. I’m not sure if Biden is that kind of politician.
The legislative branch is likely to be problematic for Biden too, even if both Tuesdays senate races go in his favour. In this scenario it’s a 50/50 split in the senate, but there’s enough ‘corporate Democrats’ who could vote against legislation that they see as going against their interests or the interests of the billionaires that fund their campaigns. This is where overturning the Paris climate control accord or rejigging Obamacare might come unstuck, even before the Supreme Court dinosaurs get involved in picking over the bones.
The Trump Machine will put this down to fake news and then try to discredit the individual who has stood up to the Donald.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Think the "heavily-biased nasty Republican" judicial system just overthrew Trump's attempt to overturn the election result? Maybe not as "farcical" as you suggest ...:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
The mindset of the Trump supporters is to deride everyone who stands up to him as a traitor or communist. And, just so you know, we live in a communist country as defined by one social media post I saw. Apparently, banning citizens from owning assault rifles is the mark of a commie pinko state.
These people are nuts.
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
there's also been some discussion about changing the legislation for tenure of supreme court judges, a suggestion was 18 years, which would immediate remove a number of the longer tenured judges, and put a couple more on short time remaining.
this was suggested as a means to stop a single president being able to load the Supreme Court towards their party for decades.
Agree. Much better option than packing the courts.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
Just need the Dems to win the Georgia runoff and we could potentially have statehood for DC and Puerto Rico. That would change the game.
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It's not advantageous for any party to have a monopoly on power. In a country where there are essentially two parties, it's better that the balance is maintained and leadership elected on principles...even if we don't agree with those principles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
I really hope this nut job is prosecuted if she follows through with her promise.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55540155
The big problem that he has is that by saying the amount of votes he needs (what he lost by plus one) it'll be difficult to argue that he wanted a fair recount as opposed to just the right amount of "votes" to be found. Been engrossed in US news networks about this and even if he tries to pardon himself it wouldn't stop a federal investigation at this level apparently.
In other words, best pack your toothbrush Donnie :greengrin
I'm not convinced he'd get a free trial, Scotland needs to offer him asylum, a lunatic asylum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Looks like the Democrats are going to take both of the GA senate seats in the runoff’s.
Wow.
It’s an interesting one - it’s been so close it goes to show how wildly divided post Trump America is. I think we may see a lot of Republicans ditch Trump now, he’s now toxic if you don’t expect a Don Jr/Ivanka run further down the line.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibernianJK
If they believe Trumpism is the future of the Republican Party then do we see the whole damaging “mass fraud” narrative continue?
Both seats still regarded as too close to callQuote:
Originally Posted by HibernianJK
Warnock's seat called.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...erdue-loeffler
This is massive news for the democrats.[emoji106] Gives Biden a real chance of getting things done. I can see the republicans tearing their party apart now as the fighting starts over who’s to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibernianJK
Have to say, Biden for all his faults has delivered everything that the democrats dreamed of.
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Tremendous news. It will still be tough to pass some of the legislation around climate change, affordable care and stimulus cheques, Bernie Sanders to chair the Senate Budget Committee is a particular corker:top marks
Not sure what your looking at. Virtually all have called Warnocks seat and many are starting to call Ossoff as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
Let's hope so, as that would give the Democrats the Senate, in addition to the House and the presidency. Good to see the loonies who have enabled Trump for four years being punished.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibernianJK
Yeah hardly gives them a super majority does it!Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
But it does give Biden half a chance to get through some of his agenda.
Hard to imagine after the last few years but of the Senate can somehow recover some of its bi-partisanship they might actually be able to craft some legislation that they can agree on.
Seems daft even writing that but ultimately that is what the whole premise of their governing structure is based on...the long trend of polarisation, accelerated to the max under Trump, does them no favours in the end.
Either way seeing the Trumpist GOP taking another beating is pleasing and will hopefully lead to them turning away from his, and his acolytes, rhetoric.
It was based initially on latest BBC report at the time I posted, think in the US there was a mix of outlets calling Warnock and others holding off. CNN right now still has Perdue/Ossoff as too close to call and numbers would suggest caution over calling Ossoff yet, but hopefully not too long before he gets over the lineQuote:
Originally Posted by HibernianJK
I think the major news outlets are trying to hold off to maintain viewership. Ossoff leads by .4% with 55k mail ins to come. I can see why they do it but all the maths election geeks, Dave Wasserman for example, called it a while ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Class
Can’t remember him being wrong but hopefully get a definitive answer on that one soon.
No doubt Trump will come out and day he won it was rigged This Charade getting tiresome but those that turn up on mass with no masks to his last rally calls could well end up literally paying with Thier lives for the CauseQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
He doesn’t give a ****
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Big danger is that a Trump could run independently from the Republican party and effectively kill off their chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
The right would be split down the middle between the Republican and Trump candidates allowing the Dems to win without breaking sweat.
Trump would have been called out and ditched ages ago by the likes of Graham and McConnell but their party has been taken over by a gangster family and their cult like followers.
I was praying that happened with Farage and Johnson at the last election but "alas" not. Trump is even more self centred that Farage though and has brainwashed so many that he may think he could stand Independently, I hope he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renfrew_Hibby
It's a racing certainty that he'll blame the senator for not "finding" 11080 votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
He certainly doesn't give a flying one.
Trump back to claiming voter fraud on this one already, and saying how votes were "found" lying about. Just tweeted "Even Mexico has voter ID".
"Even" Mexico.
you see what you've done Trump..you see
Anyone else listening to this gimp live in Washington? He's basically calling for an uprising.
CNN not showing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
He's attacking his own party now. Absolute nutter and CNN are probably right not to give him more oxygen.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Stacey Abrams, queen of the Dems, take a bow hen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/05/u...mid=tw-nytimes
Pence is in for a real kicking from him later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Im surprised there hasnt been any far right domestic violence/terrorism since the election. It was certainly promised and predicted. Proud Boys and similar havent just disappeared.
Giuliani is using words like trial by combat, this isn't going to end well for some poor folk who end up on the wrong side of itQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Has the other Georgia seat been called?
They've been told to standby.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Lifted from Twitter,
" President Trump: “If Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election" "
Also has said at the rally that "Pence has to come through" for them.
Pence is about to be thrown to the lions it appears.
Edit: Further Trump quote on Pence - "Of course, if he doesn’t come through, I won’t like him quite as much.”"
In September. I expected fireworks from them the day after the election to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
What a Can’t. Burning Pence from his supporters. That could be a good thing if / when the GOP gets its soul back.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
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It lost its soul with Reagan, selling it to lunatic evangelicals and handing the economy over to Wall Street and the multinationals. Trump is the culmination of a drift towards madness over forty years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Joint session of Congress to certify the presidential election result just getting underway.
NEW: VP Pence will not object to the electoral college votes for Joe Biden:
“It is my considered judgement my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/alexsalvi...80604638380032
Pence refusing to do what Trump wants.
Republicans in congress immediately sabotage the process, raising objections to the result in Arizona, which must now be debated. The verification process is usually just a formality, a piece of theatre, but Republicans are determined to flog this dead horse until the final moment.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ElijahSch...81968819105792
Absolute scenes at Capitol Hill just now.
Trump supporters trying to storm congress. Unbelievable.
The campaign for Lennon to resign has reached the States as well? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Seriously though, one of the worlds leading democracies torn down in four years by Trump. It's almost beyond comprehension.
Some (well actually almost all [emoji23]) of the replies on that thread are just bonkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Blue lives matter.
I just seen a twitter vid that appeared to show them using a blue lives matter flag to attack police
The irony is astounding
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If that was BLM the street would be littered with bodies by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
BREAKING NEWS: CNN National Security Correspondent On-Scene at Capitol Reports "Significant Escalation" By Trump-Incited Mob, with Many "Literally Climbing the Walls of the Capitol" and "Breaking Police Lines"; Some Tear Gas Has Been Deployed, But "Very Little Pushback" By Police
Genuine question - what the F are the police doing?
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Mike Pence, presiding over the Senate debate, has been evacuated for his own safety, with Trump supporters literally trying to break down the doors on Capitol Hill.
**** me. It only took 2 hours after I posted and the Proud Boys are in full effect alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
' The Senate is paused and an aide interrupts Sen. Lankford to tell him "protestors are in the building." '
https://mobile.twitter.com/PhilipWeg...98123457781762
Wow.
Absolutely. Just imagine if they were black or Muslim, storming Congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg