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08-08-2012, 04:24 PM
SRHibs

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Originally Posted by HibsMax

So the recruits have been awful but yet you say
Ben - looks strong
Griffiths - semi-decent
Mcpake - decent
Cairney - remains to be seen
Clancy - did good, looks like the best signing
Deegan - too soon to say

I struggle to see how you come up with "awful" based on your own analysis of the players. They're either decent or it's too soon.

In SPL terms they're decent-ish, but in relation to a club of Hibernian's standard, they're poor. I also said 'pretty awful', and not simply awful.
08-08-2012, 04:26 PM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by cynic

In SPL terms they're decent-ish, but in relation to a club of Hibernian's standard, they're poor. I also said 'pretty awful', and not simply awful.

We finished eleventh but yoiu reckon that they would be good at the clubs that finished above us?:confused:
08-08-2012, 04:29 PM
SRHibs

Williams - good goalie
Strong in comparison to Stack who was simply awful - I got lambasted for saying that too.
Sparky - Good footballer, did make mistakes last year he's said he's working on
Attitude problem and is inconsistent. Has talent but doesn't score enough goals. Massively overrated by our support.
McPake - Our best player by a country mile last year made permanent
Looked strong a lot of the time but was prone to the odd error. Definitely wasn't the messiah most claimed him to be, but I'm happy with him as part of the team.
Cairney - Time will tell as he's only played one game
Gamble
Clancy - Good signing
Potentially a good signing
Deegan - A club who are in the **** financially are glad to cut their wage bill a bit, plus we haven't seen him play yet.
They were happy to get him off the wage bill based on his prowess as a football player.

PETRIE :grr:
08-08-2012, 04:31 PM
SRHibs

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Originally Posted by marinello59

We finished eleventh but yoiu reckon that they would be good at the clubs that finished above us?:confused:

What? Hibernian's standards are not, or SHOULD NOT be 11th place. Just because we finished there one season doesn't mean that's where we should be. Based on the size of the club, the wages we pay and the facilities we offer, we should be aiming for no lower than 4th place with Rangers out of the scene. If you want to be facetious, that's fine, but I don't think anyone can argue with that.
08-08-2012, 04:37 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by cynic

What? Hibernian's standards are not, or SHOULD NOT be 11th place. Just because we finished there one season doesn't mean that's where we should be. Based on the size of the club, the wages we pay and the facilities we offer, we should be aiming for no lower than 4th place with Rangers out of the scene. If you want to be facetious, that's fine, but I don't think anyone can argue with that.

The mess that CC left us in, 11th was punching above our weight. By all means, CC's legacy should have seen us playing first division football this season.

We're at a low ebb. We aren't a top six club by any means right now.
08-08-2012, 04:38 PM
Craig_in_Prague

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Originally Posted by cynic

What? Hibernian's standards are not, or SHOULD NOT be 11th place. Just because we finished there one season doesn't mean that's where we should be. Based on the size of the club, the wages we pay and the facilities we offer, we should be aiming for no lower than 4th place with Rangers out of the scene. If you want to be facetious, that's fine, but I don't think anyone can argue with that.

There is no devine right though. Hibs have been in a state for 3-4 years now.
We are thus unnattractive to most players and Pat has a whole mentality and attitude problem to solve throughout the club, as well as improve things on the park.

I'm as depressed as the next guy about our current state and agree Hibs should be 'aiming' for top 5 finishes every year, but in sport you don't achieve anything unless you earn it. We have to let Pat get on with his job in hand and support him.
08-08-2012, 04:38 PM
500miles

If anyone doesn't think Lee Griffiths is a good footballer, they need thier heid looked at. And Leigh's attitude problem was nothing to do with a lack of application - it's his tendancy for the red mist to come down, which isn't always a negative attribute when you gain a bit of maturity.
08-08-2012, 04:39 PM
SRHibs

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

The mess that CC left us in, 11th was punching above our weight. By all means, CC's legacy should have seen us playing first division football this season.

We're at a low ebb. We aren't a top six club by any means right now.

But we should be. The board constantly drill us with the message that that's where our target is, so we should be making signings to reflect that intention.
08-08-2012, 04:41 PM
SRHibs

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Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague

There is no devine right though. Hibs have been in a state for 3-4 years now.
We are thus unnattractive to most players and Pat has a whole mentality and attitude problem to solve throughout the club, as well as improve things on the park.

I'm as depressed as the next guy about our current state and agree Hibs should be 'aiming' for top 5 finishes every year, but in sport you don't achieve anything unless you earn it. We have to let Pat get on with his job in hand and support him.

I do support him, and if you look at my previous posts you'll see that I'm more 'happy clapper' than anything - my alias is incorrect, maybe? That doesn't mean I can't give opinions on, what are, highly uninspiring signings. I do think it's time we return to our policy of letting youth play a bigger part, and maybe supplement a less experienced squad with one or two bigger names. Guess that's not an option now, though.
08-08-2012, 04:42 PM
SRHibs

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Originally Posted by 500miles

If anyone doesn't think Lee Griffiths is a good footballer, they need thier heid looked at. And Leigh's attitude problem was nothing to do with a lack of application - it's his tendancy for the red mist to come down, which isn't always a negative attribute when you gain a bit of maturity.

Red mist has nothing to do with maturity? In what way could anger that clouds one's judgement be portrayed as a positive attribute? :confused::confused:
08-08-2012, 04:43 PM
Pretty Boy

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Originally Posted by Leishy1995

Mackay-Stevens, arguably the best prospect this season was signed from Airdrie. Templeton from Stenhousemuir and I'm well aware there is more. So the point you make on cairney doesn't really fit.

And if i remember correctly more than a few on.here were 'unconvinced' by Mackay-Stevens when we were linked with him.

It's only since he's done well at United that us 'missing out' on him has become another excuse for the experts to have a go at the club.
08-08-2012, 04:43 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by cynic

But we should be. The board constantly drill us with the message that that's where our target is, so we should be making signings to reflect that intention.

We should be top six but we aren't. Players looking for a top six team therefore won't want to sign for us.
08-08-2012, 04:44 PM
PeterboroHibee

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Originally Posted by cynic

Is that really necessary? Why do people feel the need to make disparaging comments like that prior to making a reasonable post?

Yes, they've seen him training and 'rate him enough'. Unfortunately, Kujabi was also 'rated enough', as was Claros (who could turn out to be OK), Doherty, Francombe, Doyle etc. An old player from a mid-table SPL club isn't exactly the signing we should be making to push the club FORWARD. The signing stinks of desperation; the kind of signing a club looking at another relegation battle would make

I suggest that he hasn't hardly set the heather alight in the first division which could be an indicator that he isn't up to the standards of top 4 football in the SPL. Yes, the latter is true, but exceptions don't make a rule. I hope it comes to fruition that he is an excellent footballer, but for me it's a big gamble.

I would like both, actually. A couple of marquee signings supplemented with talented youth. Look at the teams from the top 6 last season compared to ours. The quality is not there, and how anyone can argue that it is, is seriously beyond me.

All of those players you mention were brought in in the January period when a) it is quite difficult to get players and b) there is a lot less time to properly assess said players. I also think Doherty was a good player despite being an idiot, and I actually like Doyle. The likes of Claros and Kujabi havent been up to it, but not every signing is going to be spot on. Also, a mid-table SPL club is a alot better than where we currently are, so yes, it would imo be a step forward.

We arent going to go straight from relegation candidates to top 4 though. Its all about taking the right steps to achieve that however, by building and developing a proper team. I fear for Fenlons job because too many people want instant success, which is almost impossible given the squad we have. Someone like Cairney, who knows Scottish football, was playing regularly and well for his club, is exactly the sort of signing that should improve us. The gap between SFL1 and the SPL is not big, and Ive no doubts he will be able to step up.

Noone is saying we have quality. Far from it. But if you look at the majority of those top 6 teams, there was a solid core of good, established SPL players, or they signed players with those qualities. Obviously if you have a solid grounding, then you can sign someone like Ojamaa at Motherwell, who was arguably a bit more of a risk. We havent brought in those players for quite a while, although the signings so far this window have taken us closer to that, its just we are so short overall.
08-08-2012, 04:46 PM
SRHibs

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Originally Posted by too_many_djs

All of those players you mention were brought in in the January period when a) it is quite difficult to get players and b) there is a lot less time to properly assess said players. I also think Doherty was a good player despite being an idiot, and I actually like Doyle. The likes of Claros and Kujabi havent been up to it, but not every signing is going to be spot on. Also, a mid-table SPL club is a alot better than where we currently are, so yes, it would imo be a step forward.

We arent going to go straight from relegation candidates to top 4 though. Its all about taking the right steps to achieve that however, by building and developing a proper team. I fear for Fenlons job because too many people want instant success, which is almost impossible given the squad we have. Someone like Cairney, who knows Scottish football, was playing regularly and well for his club, is exactly the sort of signing that should improve us. The gap between SFL1 and the SPL is not big, and Ive no doubts he will be able to step up.

Noone is saying we have quality. Far from it. But if you look at the majority of those top 6 teams, there was a solid core of good, established SPL players, or they signed players with those qualities. Obviously if you have a solid grounding, then you can sign someone like Ojamaa at Motherwell, who was arguably a bit more of a risk. We havent brought in those players for quite a while, although the signings so far this window have taken us closer to that, its just we are so short overall.

That's a fair post. Can't say anymore, as it remains to be seen what the future holds. I hope I'm massively wrong in my assumptions though.
08-08-2012, 04:51 PM
hibsbollah

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Originally Posted by scoopyboy

That would be my preferred option.

It would be 95% of hibs fans' preferred option.
08-08-2012, 04:51 PM
Beefster

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

We should be top six but we aren't. Players looking for a top six team therefore won't want to sign for us.

Players (at middling SPL level) look for money and the club itself. If the Board/Fenlon are able to sell a vision and back it up with some action/cash, the fact that we finished bottom six in the previous season would be a fairly minor point.
08-08-2012, 04:54 PM
FitbaFolkKen

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Originally Posted by too_many_djs

What a lot of nonsense.

Firstly, Maybury will be coming in at some position within the defence (RB or LB) to try and tighten things up. Whats the problem with that? Are you happy for us to keep conceding goals every single week? Im not saying hes going to be the answer, Ive not seen him in the team, but theyve seen him training over the last few weeks and must rate him enough.

You also suggest Cairney wont be up to it because he came from the first division. Do you watch Scottish football? Plenty of players step up from the lower leagues, some of whom are the best players in the SPL.

As for your last paragraph, you moan that we havent signed any marquee players, but then go on to say we shouldnt be signing those players and instead bringing through youth. Which is it? To be successful requires a reasonably good mix of both youngsters, and players brought in. I also dont think the 'marquee' signing is something we need right now. Weve been there and done that, it doesnt really work. Id much rather have a team that works as a unit, stops conceding stupid goals and actually wins games. It wont happen overnight but Fenlon seems to be trying to take us in that direction (whether he gets the time to do so is another question).

Surely the last paragraph is in relation to the fact that if we do sign players they should be exciting, as the more workmanlike player we should be able to produce through our youth policy?

I agree with the theory that we should sign less players and focus on the youth squad. Might be tough at first but I think we have signed too many players in the past.
08-08-2012, 04:59 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by Beefster

Players (at middling SPL level) look for money and the club itself. If the Board/Fenlon are able to sell a vision and back it up with some action/cash, the fact that we finished bottom six in the previous season would be a fairly minor point.

The season before as well.

We're a club in what is hopefully only a temporary decline. We're probably not as appealing an option as many think we are.
08-08-2012, 05:05 PM
Vault Boy

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Originally Posted by cynic

Oh, sorry Einstein. Yes, I'm brainless.

Well I'm glad you said it first.

For the record it isn't what I meant, but you're not making yourself out to seem anything other than exactly that.
08-08-2012, 05:14 PM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by cynic

What? Hibernian's standards are not, or SHOULD NOT be 11th place. Just because we finished there one season doesn't mean that's where we should be. Based on the size of the club, the wages we pay and the facilities we offer, we should be aiming for no lower than 4th place with Rangers out of the scene. If you want to be facetious, that's fine, but I don't think anyone can argue with that.

Calm down, I was not bring facetious. Either a player is of SPL standard or he isn't. You seem to be suggesting otherwise.
08-08-2012, 05:16 PM
SRHibs

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Originally Posted by Hibs-1875

Well I'm glad you said it first.

No, actually you did.
08-08-2012, 05:17 PM
Vault Boy

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Originally Posted by cynic

No, actually you did.

Please direct me to where I called you brainless. I'm quite interested.
08-08-2012, 05:20 PM
SRHibs

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Originally Posted by Hibs-1875

Honestly, I think if anyone with a brain were to judge Paddy on his signings alone, they'd find him to be a very good manager.

Judging him on his signings alone, I don't find him to be very good. Therefore, I'm brainless. No?
08-08-2012, 05:21 PM
Allant1981

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Originally Posted by cynic

In SPL terms they're decent-ish, but in relation to a club of Hibernian's standard, they're poor. I also said 'pretty awful', and not simply awful.

As much as i love the club please tell me how big a club you actually think we are? We last won something in 2007 and before that i was a laddie so not exactly world beaters, we are signing players that should be good enough on paper to compete in an utter garbage league
08-08-2012, 05:25 PM
Kaiser1962

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

And if i remember correctly more than a few on.here were 'unconvinced' by Mackay-Stevens when we were linked with him.

It's only since he's done well at United that us 'missing out' on him has become another excuse for the experts to have a go at the club.

Same when we were linked to Gardyne.
08-08-2012, 05:27 PM
Leishy1995

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

And if i remember correctly more than a few on.here were 'unconvinced' by Mackay-Stevens when we were linked with him.

It's only since he's done well at United that us 'missing out' on him has become another excuse for the experts to have a go at the club.

I'm not sure what point your making but i was pointing out that talent was found a lot in the lower leagues..
08-08-2012, 05:31 PM
Franck Stanton

Rumour doing the rounds that we are trying to attract Goodwillie [ex-Dundee Unt] to Easter Road on a season - long loan deal. Seemingly he is talking to both us and our neighbours. Anyone any inf on this ? Is it Tom Kite ? Surely some of you that are "in the know" club can shed some light on this rumour.
08-08-2012, 05:31 PM
TowerHibs

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Originally Posted by Leishy1995

I'm not sure what point your making but i was pointing out that talent was found a lot in the lower leagues..

Think he was agreeing with u

As am I!
08-08-2012, 05:32 PM
Vault Boy

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Originally Posted by cynic

Judging him on his signings alone, I don't find him to be very good. Therefore, I'm brainless. No?

No, what I meant by that is if someone who knew nothing else of Fenlon or his time at Hibs were to look at him, and were clever enough, they would see Paddy as a good manager because of the players he has brought in. If you have other reasons to believe differently then do so.

He has tried to bring in good professionals as well as good players, with a very tight budget. The players that have arrived so far are encouraging ones.
08-08-2012, 05:56 PM
AlbertK86

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Originally Posted by eric.hibsfan

Rumour doing the rounds that we are trying to attract Goodwillie [ex-Dundee Unt] to Easter Road on a season - long loan deal. Seemingly he is talking to both us and our neighbours. Anyone any inf on this ? Is it Tom Kite ? Surely some of you that are "in the know" club can shed some light on this rumour.

I ain't in the know but cannae seem him picking us over them !!

Money and current standing will dictate that as it did with Barr and Webster
08-08-2012, 06:02 PM
HibsMax

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Originally Posted by cynic

In SPL terms they're decent-ish, but in relation to a club of Hibernian's standard, they're poor. I also said 'pretty awful', and not simply awful.

Decent-ish is better than what we are right now. It doesn't matter what standards we may have had in the past, we have to focus on the present, and the future.

Pretty awful vs awful - sorry but there's not much of a difference there IMO.
08-08-2012, 06:36 PM
Hibby Kay-Yay

So any rumours then or should we start a new rumours thread?
08-08-2012, 06:37 PM
Pretty Boy

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Originally Posted by Leishy1995

I'm not sure what point your making but i was pointing out that talent was found a lot in the lower leagues..

Sorry, worded badly but I'm agreeing with you.
08-08-2012, 06:46 PM
silverhibee

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Originally Posted by scoopyboy

I honestly don't know if he will sign or not or even if we are after him.

Am getting so disorientated I don't even know who I want to sign anymore.

Maybury, Kerr, Sheridan. Haven't a clue if they are the answer or not, somedays I think maybe aye other days maybe naw.

I am happy with Williams, McPake, Clancy, Cairney, Griffiths and Deegan though.

A yes to Maybury, the other two can take a hike.
08-08-2012, 06:53 PM
Pretty Boy

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Originally Posted by eric.hibsfan

Rumour doing the rounds that we are trying to attract Goodwillie [ex-Dundee Unt] to Easter Road on a season - long loan deal. Seemingly he is talking to both us and our neighbours. Anyone any inf on this ? Is it Tom Kite ? Surely some of you that are "in the know" club can shed some light on this rumour.

The Goodwillie to Hearts rumour has been.doing the rounds on kickback for weeks. Not heard anything about him to Hibs.

Strikes me as strange on a few accounts. Not sure what benefit Blackburn get from sending him up here, they know he can score goals in Scotland, surely League one or bottom half of the Championship makes more sense. Secondly if he was to come to Scotland I'd have thought Dundee Utd would be more appealing to him than Hibs or Hearts.
08-08-2012, 06:58 PM
Fat Penlon

Alan Maybury like so many of our players is a bottom 6 spl player at best. Cheap option.
08-08-2012, 07:02 PM
500miles

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

A yes to Maybury, the other two can take a hike.

Sheridan is a cracking foward. He'd do well up top with Sparky.
08-08-2012, 07:03 PM
truehibernian

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Originally Posted by JohnHughes

Alan Maybury like so many of our players is a bottom 6 spl player at best. Cheap option.

Yet every season he has played in the SPL the sides he has been with have finished in the top 6 (in the time he was with Hearts I think Hibs only finished top 6 once or maybe twice).......seems to me that he is quite a decent player to have around Easter Road.
08-08-2012, 07:05 PM
PatHead

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Originally Posted by JohnHughes

Alan Maybury like so many of our players is a bottom 6 spl player at best. Cheap option.

Don't think he is a world beater but if he allows Hanlon or Clancy to move to centre back he could be a major signing. Add his experience and reported professionalism to the dressingroom and he could be a big part of the rebuilding process. Sort of Gary Smith player at the right time.

If he is cheap that would free up money for other players. Stop being so negative and see the positives!
08-08-2012, 07:08 PM
Leishy1995

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Sorry, worded badly but I'm agreeing with you.

It's one of the most annoying things on this site, new signing has to be a barca youth player or he's no hibs class.
08-08-2012, 07:49 PM
hibees 7062

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Don't think he is a world beater but if he allows Hanlon or Clancy to move to centre back he could be a major signing. Add his experience and reported professionalism to the dressingroom and he could be a big part of the rebuilding process. Sort of Gary Smith player at the right time.

If he is cheap that would free up money for other players. Stop being so negative and see the positives!

:agree::agree::agree:
08-08-2012, 07:50 PM
Fat Penlon

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Don't think he is a world beater but if he allows Hanlon or Clancy to move to centre back he could be a major signing. Add his experience and reported professionalism to the dressingroom and he could be a big part of the rebuilding process. Sort of Gary Smith player at the right time.

If he is cheap that would free up money for other players. Stop being so negative and see the positives!

Positives! aye ok then. It's a sad day for us when a 34 year old that nobody else wants is part of the rebuilding process or a major signing. If you knew me you would know that i'm one of the least negative people you could meet. I am more of a realist and the reality of this signing is it's CRAP! Kujabi/Stevenson/Hanlon or Booth could do just as good a job at left back if the defence wasnt so exposed all the time by the lack of any kind of midfield. I dont really rate any of those i have just mentioned either however the left back position shouldnt be our priority right now IMO our midfield should.

Why do we always have to go for someone who is cheap also? If they are cheap should that not set the alarm bells ringing? Look at all the cheap options we have had over the last 4 or 5 years!

Thats the beauty of this forum though it's all just my opinion.
08-08-2012, 07:52 PM
Pretty Boy

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Originally Posted by JohnHughes

Positives! aye ok then. It's a sad day for us when a 34 year old that nobody else wants is part of the rebuilding process or a major signing. If you knew me you would know that i'm one of the least negative people you could meet. I am more of a realist and the reality of this signing is it's CRAP! Kujabi/Stevenson/Hanlon or Booth could do just as good a job at left back if the defence wasnt so exposed all the time by the lack of any kind of midfield. I dont really rate any of those i have just mentioned either however the left back position shouldnt be our priority right now IMO our midfield should.

Why do we always have to go for someone who is cheap also? If they are cheap should that not set the alarm bells ringing? Look at all the cheap options we have had over the last 4 or 5 years!

Thats the beauty of this forum though it's all just my opinion.

Maybury is cheap??

That can't be right, it was FACT on here last week that we couldn't afford him.
08-08-2012, 08:12 PM
PeterboroHibee

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Originally Posted by JohnHughes

Positives! aye ok then. It's a sad day for us when a 34 year old that nobody else wants is part of the rebuilding process or a major signing. If you knew me you would know that i'm one of the least negative people you could meet. I am more of a realist and the reality of this signing is it's CRAP! Kujabi/Stevenson/Hanlon or Booth could do just as good a job at left back if the defence wasnt so exposed all the time by the lack of any kind of midfield. I dont really rate any of those i have just mentioned either however the left back position shouldnt be our priority right now IMO our midfield should.

Why do we always have to go for someone who is cheap also? If they are cheap should that not set the alarm bells ringing? Look at all the cheap options we have had over the last 4 or 5 years!

Thats the beauty of this forum though it's all just my opinion.

Maybe he isnt being brought in to play at LB, and rather Clancy will be playing alongside McPake? We are hardly blessed in numbers at RB.

I think Maybury is another sensible signing tbh. Hes experienced in the SPL, can play numerous positions and had played a fair number of games last season (not someone who had been rotting in the reserves). Hes not going to be an attacking full back who will fly up the wings, but thats not necessarily what we need. Some stability would be nice for a change, and if we can get in someone decent to play on the same wing, we wouldnt really need him to be up and down the pitch all game.

If its such a cheap, bad signing, who do you suggest?
08-08-2012, 08:30 PM
blackpoolhibs

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Originally Posted by too_many_djs

Maybe he isnt being brought in to play at LB, and rather Clancy will be playing alongside McPake? We are hardly blessed in numbers at RB.

I think Maybury is another sensible signing tbh. Hes experienced in the SPL, can play numerous positions and had played a fair number of games last season (not someone who had been rotting in the reserves). Hes not going to be an attacking full back who will fly up the wings, but thats not necessarily what we need. Some stability would be nice for a change, and if we can get in someone decent to play on the same wing, we wouldnt really need him to be up and down the pitch all game.

If its such a cheap, bad signing, who do you suggest?

Why is this line trotted out constantly, do you honestly think the poster is a scout and knows players who are available or out of contract?

The manager is paid to look at options, its his job to scout and bring players in. This is a message board that folk will discuss positively and negatively on players we are interested in.
08-08-2012, 08:43 PM
Fat Penlon

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Originally Posted by too_many_djs

Maybe he isnt being brought in to play at LB, and rather Clancy will be playing alongside McPake? We are hardly blessed in numbers at RB.

I think Maybury is another sensible signing tbh. Hes experienced in the SPL, can play numerous positions and had played a fair number of games last season (not someone who had been rotting in the reserves). Hes not going to be an attacking full back who will fly up the wings, but thats not necessarily what we need. Some stability would be nice for a change, and if we can get in someone decent to play on the same wing, we wouldnt really need him to be up and down the pitch all game.

If its such a cheap, bad signing, who do you suggest?

Doesnt matter who we sign or play at the back if the midfield in front arent there then they will concede lots of goals. Every time we sign a cheap option to plug a gap we may lose out on a decent midfielder because there are not the funds attract him. We dont have a midfield. Everytime i look at the team page on the official website i panic!
08-08-2012, 08:45 PM
Beefster

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Maybury is cheap??

That can't be right, it was FACT on here last week that we couldn't afford him.

Which came from Fenlon saying that he may not be able to afford to offer Maybury anything.
08-08-2012, 08:46 PM
PeterboroHibee

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Why is this line trotted out constantly, do you honestly think the poster is a scout and knows players who are available or out of contract?

The manager is paid to look at options, its his job to scout and bring players in. This is a message board that folk will discuss positively and negatively on players we are interested in.

No I dont, so why can the poster I was responding to claim that Maybury is a cheap option if he doesnt know whos currently available to the club, and the budget available to Fenlon?
08-08-2012, 08:49 PM
blackpoolhibs

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Originally Posted by too_many_djs

No I dont, so why can the poster I was responding to claim that Maybury is a cheap option if he doesnt know whos currently available to the club, and the budget available to Fenlon?

Maybury has been offered a contract on less than 50k a year, thats a cheap option in todays terms would you not agree?
08-08-2012, 08:50 PM
PeterboroHibee

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnHughes

Doesnt matter who we sign or play at the back if the midfield in front arent there then they will concede lots of goals. Every time we sign a cheap option to plug a gap we may lose out on a decent midfielder because there are not the funds attract him. We dont have a midfield. Everytime i look at the team page on the official website i panic!

I totally agree that the midfield has been a huge problem area, but we have signed Cairney and Deegan. Difficult to say having only seen one of them play 1 competitive game for us but you never know, they could be the answer!
08-08-2012, 08:51 PM
Aldo

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnHughes

Alan Maybury like so many of our players is a bottom 6 spl player at best. Cheap option.

Will have to disagree with you on this one. If Maybury comes in and does a job then that'll do for me. If he plays and defends , by this I mean does the simple things and defends.

It's the SPL remember.

FWIW. I would play Maybury at LB and move Hanlon back into the middle. If not maybe play him in front of back 4. Making us harder to break down etc
08-08-2012, 08:53 PM
Fat Penlon

Quote:

Originally Posted by too_many_djs

No I dont, so why can the poster I was responding to claim that Maybury is a cheap option if he doesnt know whos currently available to the club, and the budget available to Fenlon?

I didnt say he was a cheap option i was replying to PatHeads claim that he might be a cheap option.
08-08-2012, 08:55 PM
blackpoolhibs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aldo

Will have to disagree with you on this one. If Maybury comes in and does a job then that'll do for me. If he plays and defends , by this I mean does the simple things and defends.

It's the SPL remember.

A back four of Clancy McPake Hanlon and Maybury is ok, better than what we have now but still not that great. Its further up the park where we are very weak thats my fear, and will create problems for whatever back four we select.
08-08-2012, 08:59 PM
Aldo

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

A back four of Clancy McPake Hanlon and Maybury is ok, better than what we have now but still not that great. Its further up the park where we are very weak thats my fear, and will create problems for whatever back four we select.

BH. Agree. Defend from the front and all that. Another CF or 2 along with a CH and MF required however u am hoping Deegan will do the business but he will need help.

Hopefully a better performance on Sunday.
08-08-2012, 09:01 PM
blackpoolhibs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aldo

BH. Agree. Defend from the front and all that. Another CF or 2 along with a CH and MF required however u am hoping Deegan will do the business but he will need help.

Hopefully a better performance on Sunday.

:agree:
08-08-2012, 09:07 PM
IWasThere2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aldo

BH. Agree. Defend from the front and all that. Another CF or 2 along with a CH and MF required however u am hoping Deegan will do the business but he will need help.

Hopefully a better performance on Sunday.

Anything worse, and this place will be in meltdoon! I am planning to watch (through ma fingers) :worried:
08-08-2012, 09:09 PM
Fat Penlon

Quote:

Originally Posted by too_many_djs

I totally agree that the midfield has been a huge problem area, but we have signed Cairney and Deegan. Difficult to say having only seen one of them play 1 competitive game for us but you never know, they could be the answer!

:agree: I hope so!
08-08-2012, 09:11 PM
matty_f

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

A back four of Clancy McPake Hanlon and Maybury is ok, better than what we have now but still not that great. Its further up the park where we are very weak thats my fear, and will create problems for whatever back four we select.

:agree: Until we have a midfield that can a) create, and b) defend, we could have Man City's back four and still concede more than we score.
08-08-2012, 09:14 PM
theonlywayisup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay

So any rumours then or should we start a new rumours thread?

I think we should bin this thread and start again. I read this every day looking for info on rumours, but all I read is people dis-agreeing with each other. Extremely boring!
08-08-2012, 09:20 PM
Wotherspiniesta

Quote:

Originally Posted by theonlywayisup

I think we should bin this thread and start again. I read this every day looking for info on rumours, but all I read is people dis-agreeing with each other. Extremely boring!

I don't know why all rumours have been merged into one thread anyway. Bring back the greggs board!
08-08-2012, 09:41 PM
keep the faith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wotherspiniesta

I don't know why all rumours have been merged into one thread anyway. Bring back the greggs board!

Agree! This thread is murder.
08-08-2012, 09:47 PM
Hibees07

As this is a transfer rumours thread, I heard today from a Pars Fan that Joe Cardle was on Hibs radar. I've always thought he was a decent winger and would probably be a reasonable option under our current financial restraints.
08-08-2012, 09:51 PM
blackpoolhibs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hibees07

As this is a transfer rumours thread, I heard today from a Pars Fan that Joe Cardle was on Hibs radar. I've always thought he was a decent winger and would probably be a reasonable option under our current financial restraints.

I spoke to his dad today, and the only club he's spoken to is Aberdeen, although his dad did say he'd love to play for us. If he is on our radar there has not been any contact yet?
08-08-2012, 09:54 PM
frazeHFC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wotherspiniesta

I don't know why all rumours have been merged into one thread anyway. Bring back the greggs board!

:agree:
08-08-2012, 09:55 PM
PeterboroHibee

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I spoke to his dad today, and the only club he's spoken to is Aberdeen, although his dad did say he'd love to play for us. If he is on our radar there has not been any contact yet?

Given our lack of option on either flank, youd have thought we might have shown some interest in a player like Cardle. If he would be up for coming to Hibs, its a bit annoying we dont appear to have shown any interest.
08-08-2012, 10:04 PM
PatHead

QUOTE=JohnHughes;3319015]I didnt say he was a cheap option i was replying to PatHeads claim that he might be a cheap option.[/QUOTE]

When I replied to your claim that he was the cheap option! See below

"Alan Maybury like so many of our players is a bottom 6 spl player at best. Cheap option." 3536
08-08-2012, 10:07 PM
Hibeesmad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

Any word on sheridan or indeed any other rumours??

Just maybury to sign in the next 2 days and Joe cradle has been mentioned but that's about it. I did overhear somebody asking fenlon about transfers today and fenlon replied by saying "I'm trying mate, I'm trying".
08-08-2012, 10:07 PM
Northernhibee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

The Goodwillie to Hearts rumour has been.doing the rounds on kickback for weeks. Not heard anything about him to Hibs.

Strikes me as strange on a few accounts. Not sure what benefit Blackburn get from sending him up here, they know he can score goals in Scotland, surely League one or bottom half of the Championship makes more sense. Secondly if he was to come to Scotland I'd have thought Dundee Utd would be more appealing to him than Hibs or Hearts.

He's very good mates with Templeton. DG is a friend of a friend.
08-08-2012, 10:09 PM
shetlandhibee

what about Deeko he would make a good combination with Griffiths
08-08-2012, 10:12 PM
Aldo

Quote:

Originally Posted by shetlandhibee

what about Deeko he would make a good combination with Griffiths

No thanks. Deeks had his time at the club and we cannot afford anymore passengers at the moment.

The guy has undoubted talent but his lack of application and work ethics is his downfall.

Instead if being in his prime he is struggling big time to find a club.
08-08-2012, 10:15 PM
PatHead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northernhibee

He's very good mates with Templeton. DG is a friend of a friend.

.......................and is there any truth in the rumour or is it just that, a rumour?
08-08-2012, 10:15 PM
Northernhibee

Quote:

Originally Posted by shetlandhibee

what about Deeko he would make a good combination with Griffiths

Loved him in his prime but nowadays the phrase "not with a bargepole" springs to mind.
08-08-2012, 10:17 PM
Northernhibee

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatHead

.......................and is there any truth in the rumour or is it just that, a rumour?

No idea about that (not spoken to the friend in between for a while), but he does get on with at least one of their players, which could make it attractive to him.
08-08-2012, 10:22 PM
PatHead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northernhibee

No idea about that (not spoken to the friend in between for a while), but he does get on with at least one of their players, which could make it attractive to him.

Well get beavering and find out!
08-08-2012, 10:24 PM
Northernhibee

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatHead

Well get beavering and find out!

Pleasingly he wouldn't play for ZombieHuns :greengrin
08-08-2012, 10:32 PM
McIntosh

Quote:

Originally Posted by keep the faith

Agree! This thread is murder.

:top marks
08-08-2012, 10:54 PM
IWasThere2016

Where are the strikers we need?
09-08-2012, 05:10 AM
Lucius Apuleius

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQM

Where are the strikers we need?

At various other clubs I think.
09-08-2012, 06:57 AM
Iain G

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQM

Where are the strikers we need?

Same places as the midfielders, wingers and defenders we need, not at Easter Road! :greengrin
09-08-2012, 07:07 AM
Craig_in_Prague

Quote:

Originally Posted by TQM

Where are the strikers we need?

maybe if we knew that, we'd find them :-)
09-08-2012, 09:16 AM
Speedway

We must have more than just Maybury signed for this game.

It makes you wonder just how skint we are and how big a loss we're going to be posting this year.
09-08-2012, 09:21 AM
Andy74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedway

We must have more than just Maybury signed for this game.

It makes you wonder just how skint we are and how big a loss we're going to be posting this year.

Agree and disagree.

We need more for the rest of the season, and the one after that and so on and so I'd rather get the right players eventually than worry about what we have for this one game.

I don't think it's only about being skint, I think it is also about Fenlon being absolutely picky about who he brings in. Which I think is a good thing given recent years where it looks like we've just gone for players regardless of whaether they are mentally up to it and without thinking how the team is going be led.
09-08-2012, 09:27 AM
McIntosh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedway

We must have more than just Maybury signed for this game.

It makes you wonder just how skint we are and how big a loss we're going to be posting this year.

It is a very tight budget indeed.
09-08-2012, 09:30 AM
JimBHibees

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy74

Agree and disagree.

We need more for the rest of the season, and the one after that and so on and so I'd rather get the right players eventually than worry about what we have for this one game.

I don't think it's only about being skint, I think it is also about Fenlon being absolutely picky about who he brings in. Which I think is a good thing given recent years where it looks like we've just gone for players regardless of whaether they are mentally up to it and without thinking how the team is going be led.

I think the fact that English seasons havent started yet so players from that neck of the woods may be assessing options until they decide where to go. Also may be a loan option or two that comes up late on in the window which would improve us.
09-08-2012, 09:30 AM
Speedway

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy74

Agree and disagree.

We need more for the rest of the season, and the one after that and so on and so I'd rather get the right players eventually than worry about what we have for this one game.

I don't think it's only about being skint, I think it is also about Fenlon being absolutely picky about who he brings in. Which I think is a good thing given recent years where it looks like we've just gone for players regardless of whaether they are mentally up to it and without thinking how the team is going be led.

Agree and disagree Andy.

I don't buy the Fenlon rhetoric. 'Got to be the right players' was both the Mixu and Calderwood party line. In both cases we've ended up going for bargain basement when we couldn't get/afford/interest the 'right' players.

I think we're right back here again. Fenlon is on record that we've lost out on players to teams on a par to us. Sevco aren't paying anything like the figures quoted but are still able to sign 'the right players'. Arabs are able to sign, the right players. There's only us that can't and are then forced to fill the squad as the deadline approaches.

There's something else afoot. Whether Scott and Pat can't sell, or we're skint, or no one wants to come to work for Rod or whether players think they're better off elsewhere unless they have a 'special' connection to the club or whether last season and recent seasons have put them off I don't know.

We're struggling and I don't buy the public reason why.
09-08-2012, 09:35 AM
IWasThere2016

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucius Apuleius

At various other clubs I think.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iain G

Same places as the midfielders, wingers and defenders we need, not at Easter Road! :greengrin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig_in_Prague

maybe if we knew that, we'd find them :-)

Ok - I walked right into the smart erse comments :greengrin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedway

We must have more than just Maybury signed for this game.

It makes you wonder just how skint we are and how big a loss we're going to be posting this year.

It will be horrific reading IMHO. The Ozzy fee will mask things a bit though. The loss will be a huge % of turnover!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedway

Agree and disagree Andy.

I don't buy the Fenlon rhetoric. 'Got to be the right players' was both the Mixu and Calderwood party line. In both cases we've ended up going for bargain basement when we couldn't get/afford/interest the 'right' players.

I think we're right back here again. Fenlon is on record that we've lost out on players to teams on a par to us. Sevco aren't paying anything like the figures quoted but are still able to sign 'the right players'. Arabs are able to sign, the right players. There's only us that can't and are then forced to fill the squad as the deadline approaches.

There's something else afoot. Whether Scott and Pat can't sell, or we're skint, or no one wants to come to work for Rod or whether players think they're better off elsewhere unless they have a 'special' connection to the club or whether last season and recent seasons have put them off I don't know.

We're struggling and I don't buy the public reason why.

:agree: See my earlier point re loss:turnover % .. I think STF has said enough is enough and the Board are reigning in the finances to stop the losses/cash haemoraging. Despite the fact we NEED players - and I thought we'd see them - I am starting to think (fear) we won't.
09-08-2012, 09:36 AM
gegs70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iain G

Same places as the midfielders, wingers and defenders we need, not at Easter Road! :greengrin

I think a few them signed for The Rangers!!!

bargain basement bin is empty we were to slow.....
09-08-2012, 09:39 AM
gegs70

So can we round up who we are lookin at and who is still on trial at ER. Is maybury and kerr still there or are they waiting to see if they get a better option elsewhere....

Anyone else linked with hibs all seems a bit quiet....
09-08-2012, 09:49 AM
Andy74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedway

Agree and disagree Andy.

I don't buy the Fenlon rhetoric. 'Got to be the right players' was both the Mixu and Calderwood party line. In both cases we've ended up going for bargain basement when we couldn't get/afford/interest the 'right' players.

I think we're right back here again. Fenlon is on record that we've lost out on players to teams on a par to us. Sevco aren't paying anything like the figures quoted but are still able to sign 'the right players'. Arabs are able to sign, the right players. There's only us that can't and are then forced to fill the squad as the deadline approaches.

There's something else afoot. Whether Scott and Pat can't sell, or we're skint, or no one wants to come to work for Rod or whether players think they're better off elsewhere unless they have a 'special' connection to the club or whether last season and recent seasons have put them off I don't know.

We're struggling and I don't buy the public reason why.

Is this once you ignore the fact that we've signed six players that fit with what Pat has been talking about?

What teams have signed more?

We just need a lot more than most!
09-08-2012, 10:10 AM
Speedway

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy74

Is this once you ignore the fact that we've signed six players that fit with what Pat has been talking about?

What teams have signed more?

We just need a lot more than most!

More is relative based on requirement. Some teams have been managed a lot better than us.

With more ST holders than all except the Yams and Bhoys and with 16 out of the door..yes, we should have had far more by now and would've done if we'd not been told to bolt by several.

3 of your 6 asked their agents to get them to Hibs. Hardly scouting out those made of the right stuff. At least three are completely unproven as to whether they are the 'right' players or not.

You think Griffiths fits in to the right type?
09-08-2012, 10:13 AM
Cabbage East

The fact that we look unlikely to bring in anyone else before Sunday now (that would be eligible to play at least) says to me, that the board have no idea just how important it is to the supporters to win this game after what happened in May.

That is unforgivable.
09-08-2012, 10:22 AM
Andy74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedway

More is relative based on requirement. Some teams have been managed a lot better than us.

With more ST holders than all except the Yams and Bhoys and with 16 out of the door..yes, we should have had far more by now and would've done if we'd not been told to bolt by several.

3 of your 6 asked their agents to get them to Hibs. Hardly scouting out those made of the right stuff. At least three are completely unproven as to whether they are the 'right' players or not.

You think Griffiths fits in to the right type?

On Griffiths, yes I do. Pat said he doesn't want choir boys, most of his character comments are about desire to win and effort.
09-08-2012, 10:25 AM
Andy74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cabbage East

The fact that we look unlikely to bring in anyone else before Sunday now (that would be eligible to play at least) says to me, that the board have no idea just how important it is to the supporters to win this game after what happened in May.

That is unforgivable.

It's more important to me to be in a position to win these games and others over the coming year, just speaking for myself obviously but I don't want players brought in with just Sunday in mind.

We had the same sort of chat in Janaury about just needing a centre half for an upcoming game or series of games. Hibs were patient and the end result was McPake who was influential for us long after those games had gone.
09-08-2012, 10:25 AM
hibIBZ

i have a friend that works within hibs and 2 weeks ago he told me that the club was so tight for cash they struggled to pay the wages at the end of july. this was before the Deegan signing and he said fenlon only had money for 1 maybe 2. this was also before the TV deal had been finalised
09-08-2012, 10:26 AM
JimBHibees

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAG013

i have a friend that works within hibs and 2 weeks ago he told me that the club was so tight for cash they struggled to pay the wages at the end of july. this was before the Deegan signing and he said fenlon only had money for 1 maybe 2. this was also before the TV deal had been finalised

Trot on Yam.
09-08-2012, 10:26 AM
gegs70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cabbage East

The fact that we look unlikely to bring in anyone else before Sunday now (that would be eligible to play at least) says to me, that the board have no idea just how important it is to the supporters to win this game after what happened in May.

That is unforgivable.

Yep tend to agree we seem to be bracing ourselves for a proper humping.
09-08-2012, 10:29 AM
hibIBZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Trot on Yam.

all i am doing is passing on the info that he told me. no i am not a yam!
09-08-2012, 10:30 AM
HUTCHYHIBBY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Loved him in his prime but nowadays the phrase "not with a bargepole" springs to mind.

The state our team is currently in, who would it be that would keep him out of the team?
09-08-2012, 10:31 AM
Beefster

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAG013

i have a friend that works within hibs and 2 weeks ago he told me that the club was so tight for cash they struggled to pay the wages at the end of july. this was before the Deegan signing and he said fenlon only had money for 1 maybe 2. this was also before the TV deal had been finalised

Utter bull****. We can only just pay the current wages so we pay a transfer fee and wage for a new player? FFS...
09-08-2012, 10:32 AM
PeterboroHibee

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAG013

i have a friend that works within hibs and 2 weeks ago he told me that the club was so tight for cash they struggled to pay the wages at the end of july. this was before the Deegan signing and he said fenlon only had money for 1 maybe 2. this was also before the TV deal had been finalised

If the club had been struggling to pay wages at the end of July, why would they then give the go ahead on more signings?

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