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Don't know if this has already been covered, but I was thinking about the whole transfer embargo thing.

Currently they are administration, so are banned from signing players.
They also were banned from signing players aged 21 and over until the 1st Feb as part of a punishment. (The ban was something BDO suggested instead of a fine due to their financial situation)

Now, BDO are saying that the rules of administration say that they can apply to sign players on an individual basis in exceptional circumstances.

So let's say the SPFL bend the rules of admin to let them sign a player, surely due to the punishment put in place, any player signed would have to be under 21, unless they relax the additional punishment that was put in place too :confused:

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

We've done the maths a few pages back. I've also checked and it was the genuine attendance.

829 Motherwell fans and approx 11000 season tickets are the numbers if you're interested. That makes it closer to 1000 walk ups.

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Bajillions, not having a pop but I'm genuinely confused. Are you saying there really were nearly 13,000 people inside PBS yesterday? And if so, why did they choose yesterday to issue accurate numbers for first time, excluding cup ties? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by brog

Bajillions, not having a pop but I'm genuinely confused. Are you saying there really were nearly 13,000 people inside PBS yesterday? And if so, why did they choose yesterday to issue accurate numbers for first time, excluding cup ties? Thanks!

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I'm reliably told that only a couple of minutes before kick off, just over 8,000 home fans were through the gates 'officially' added to which were around 450 'Well fans - I'm confused as to the 12,800 figure to be honest.

However, seems times have changed...



From an article entitle "Football: THE CRADLE WILL LOCKE; Gary hails Killie's crack kids after Well romp." (No pun intended with 'crack kids' I hope).

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Locke was Jefferies' man of the match - the manager even insisted he should win a Scotland call-up - but the midfielder reckons Killie's resurgence is down to the kids. And right at the top of his hit parade hit parade stands Steven Naismith, who laid on the first three of Killie's goals.

Understandably, Jefferies is a little more restrained in his praise.The manager doesn't want Naismith to be lost in a sea of hype and has even said he would be prepared to rest the youngster.

But Locke is praying his boss doesn't carry out that threat with a striker he reckons Scotland Under-21s boss Rainer Bonhof has been mad to ignore.

The 30-year-old said: 'I wouldn't get too carried away with what the gaffer was saying about me but we've got some really cracking kids. If they keep on performing they'll go on to bigger and better things.

'Stevie Naismith, for example, was outstanding.The manager is trying to play it down and says he might even take him out of the side.

'But if Stevie keeps playing like that then there's no danger he'll be rested.

'I'm a bit disappointed he wasn't picked for the Under-21s but again, if he keeps performing that call-up will come soon.

'The gaffer's record at handling young players is second to none.You just need to look at some of the boys he's had and what they've gone on to do to see that.

'There's big things to come from Stevie but I rate all the young lads highly.'

Even before kick-off Terry Butcher knew all about the dangers a young side can present. After all, administration caused his club to go back to its youth a few seasons ago and it has paid off.

Now it's Killie who look like they've somehow been galvanised by off-the-field traumas.

Motherwell's Stephen Craigan, though, doesn't believe financial gloom affects players one little bit.

He said: 'Money troubles are the last thing on the players' minds. Kilmarnock's players know they need to win games whether they have money or not. If that was the case then our chairman would be putting the club into administration tomorrow.'

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Seems Locke did not want his young player rested and according to Craigan financial gloom does not affect players. Indeed it galvanises them.

Phew, I feel better now for Hearts. My tears are drying...my tears are drying.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

I'm reliably told that only a couple of minutes before kick off, just over 8,000 home fans were through the gates 'officially' added to which were around 450 'Well fans - I'm confused as to the 12,800 figure to be honest.

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total gate i was informed was 8805
including 829 steelmen

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Originally Posted by rossc

total gate i was informed was 8805
including 829 steelmen

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One of my neighbour's , a Celtic supporter , was invited to "Hospitality " at PBS yesterday and said , this morning , " nine/ten thou at most "

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by brog

Bajillions, not having a pop but I'm genuinely confused. Are you saying there really were nearly 13,000 people inside PBS yesterday? And if so, why did they choose yesterday to issue accurate numbers for first time, excluding cup ties? Thanks!

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Yes I am. I'm not sure why yesterday was genuine I can only guess it was because it was good enough that it didn't need to be faked.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

Yes I am. I'm not sure why yesterday was genuine I can only guess it was because it was good enough that it didn't need to be faked.

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I'm struggling to understand why 12,000 Yams would suddenly turn up yesterday. Was it good weather yesterday? If this is case it means there were less than 2,000 empty seats in the 3 Yam stands. I'll be interested to see Sportscene tonight.

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Originally Posted by brog

I'm struggling to understand why 12,000 Yams would suddenly turn up yesterday. Was it good weather yesterday? If this is case it means there were less than 2,000 empty seats in the 3 Yam stands. I'll be interested to see Sportscene tonight.

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They won't pan the crowd guaranteed. Maybe the Well fans when they score but I'd be surprised if the camera leaves the pitch.

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Originally Posted by brog

I'm struggling to understand why 12,000 Yams would suddenly turn up yesterday. Was it good weather yesterday? If this is case it means there were less than 2,000 empty seats in the 3 Yam stands. I'll be interested to see Sportscene tonight.

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I assume because upto 11,000 of them had already paid to get in? :dunno:

Here's 2 pictures showing their stands taken from yesterday

http://i42.tinypic.com/33av6g1.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/jpke4p.jpg

Really what is the obsession with various clubs attendance. Whether they lie or not when announcing attendance it doesn't alter the true figure and the amount of money they actually take on the day.

As far as I can see there is no benefit to be made from manufacturing numbers so let them lie to themselves if they want. Why care?:cb

I'm the first to knock their fantasy attendances, however I watched the full game on Alba last night and it certainly looked busier than the game against Partick. The asbestos stand was busier certainly, however that must only hold a couple of thousand. Frustrating that you never see the stand opposite the shed as I'm convinced that's where numbers will be dropping off the most.
3pm Sat ko might have encouraged more folk as opposed to the precious few games.
Also, maybe BDO will start reporting more realistic attendances so they can use 'falling attendances' as one of their pishy arguments against the SFA/SPFL/Whoever will listen to them

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

This is a good article that hit the nail on the head regarding preventing this happening again but it's still hilarious reading yet another yam preaching to everyone on the benefits of financial fair play.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...gue?CMP=twt_gu

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Below the line is getting quite lively on this... Ewan Murray defending himself (and the half wits at Hearts) against some sound questioning of his logic.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

I assume because upto 11,000 of them had already paid to get in? :dunno:

Here's 2 pictures showing their stands taken from yesterday

http://i42.tinypic.com/33av6g1.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/3160tpt.jpg

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Did they change their strips for some reason?

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Really what is the obsession with various clubs attendance. Whether they lie or not when announcing attendance it doesn't alter the true figure and the amount of money they actually take on the day.

As far as I can see there is no benefit to be made from manufacturing numbers so let them lie to themselves if they want. Why care?:cb

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If we can get the actual attendances then we can figure out whether they are likely to survive all of this. You mention money taken on the day and that's the bit I'm interested in and as BDO won't tell anybody that, attendances are the next best way to get a ballpark figure.

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NadeAteMyLunch!][/COLOR]

I'm the first to knock their fantasy attendances, however I watched the full game on Alba last night and it certainly looked busier than the game against Partick. The asbestos stand was busier certainly, however that must only hold a couple of thousand. Frustrating that you never see the stand opposite the shed as I'm convinced that's where numbers will be dropping off the most.
3pm Sat ko might have encouraged more folk as opposed to the precious few games.
Also, maybe BDO will start reporting more realistic attendances so they can use 'falling attendances' as one of their pishy arguments against the SFA/SPFL/Whoever will listen to them

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They've not got a home game for 6 weeks now so that's unlikely to be the basis of their argument. They have a meeting on Monday apparently (I haven't heard anything confirming this).

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Originally Posted by GreenLake

Did they change their strips for some reason?

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Whoops my mistake. Put the wrong picture in. The bottom one is from last week. Let me fix it with this weeks.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

Whoops my mistake. Put the wrong picture in. The bottom one is from last week. Let me fix it with this weeks.

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Schoolboy error!!!!!! ;-)

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

I assume because upto 11,000 of them had already paid to get in? :dunno:



http://i42.tinypic.com/33av6g1.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/3160tpt.jpg

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Well they've paid to get in all season but they've not been turning up, as you've stated & I've agreed on numerous occasions. From those pics the stands look reasonably full but why did nearly every season ticket holder turn up yesterday? From the numbers you gave us last week this means about 2,000 extra Yams turned up a week after they were gubbed at home by Partick. That defies logic.

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Originally Posted by jacomoseven

Below the line is getting quite lively on this... Ewan Murray defending himself (and the half wits at Hearts) against some sound questioning of his logic.

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Making an erse of himself mair like, what a clown.

I've put the correct picture in the right place. Here's a lighter version too. (I'm just being thorough before anybody starts :take that)

http://i40.tinypic.com/20az0p2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Spike Mandela

Really what is the obsession with various clubs attendance. Whether they lie or not when announcing attendance it doesn't alter the true figure and the amount of money they actually take on the day.

As far as I can see there is no benefit to be made from manufacturing numbers so let them lie to themselves if they want. Why care?:cb

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Why post if you don't care? :wink:

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Originally Posted by brog

Well they've paid to get in all season but they've not been turning up, as you've stated & I've agreed on numerous occasions. From those pics the stands look reasonably full but why did nearly every season ticket holder turn up yesterday? From the numbers you gave us last week this means about 2,000 extra Yams turned up a week after they were gubbed at home by Partick. That defies logic.

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Could be for varying reasons.

This week wasn't the first home game after a derby beating.

It's the last home game for quite a while

It was at 3pm on a Saturday

There was a week of gee'in up in the press by Billy Brown etc

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

This is a good article that hit the nail on the head regarding preventing this happening again but it's still hilarious reading yet another yam preaching to everyone on the benefits of financial fair play.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...gue?CMP=twt_gu

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Ewan Murray in 2011 on why Vlad is good for Hearts...........

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...adimir-romanov

Another Jambo journalist who is suddenly on the road to Damascus.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

This is a good article that hit the nail on the head regarding preventing this happening again but it's still hilarious reading yet another yam preaching to everyone on the benefits of financial fair play.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/...gue?CMP=twt_gu

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Even now, a scratch beneath the surface illustrates the extraordinary lengths some clubs will go to when seeking to protect a nominal amount of money. Others make little secret of the fact they are operating with little or no financial leeway.

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Is this supposed to be a dig at Hibs? Pathetic.

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It is clubs, rather than Scottish football's battle-weary administrators, who would resist such progress towards open book-balancing and financial fair play. Transparency remains worryingly rare despite horror tales from the past.

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Irony overload in 5,4, 3...


What a clown. Not to mention his dig at Michael Stewart and Graeme Spiers for criticising "easy target" Gary Locke. Embarrassment of a journalist.

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Originally Posted by jacomoseven

Below the line is getting quite lively on this... Ewan Murray defending himself (and the half wits at Hearts) against some sound questioning of his logic.

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Ewan Murray: where did I say the sanctions were draconian?

Guardian reader: eh, I take it you never read your own headline?

Hahahahaha

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...-short-3009359


SYMPATHY for the plight of Hearts and their attempt to get a transfer embargo lifted continues to be thin on the ground, even among their own supporters.

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Originally Posted by vince1973

Ewan Murray: where did I say the sanctions were draconian?

Guardian reader: eh, I take it you never read your own headline?

Hahahahaha

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He got his ass handed to him here as well when he claimed Hearts had only exceded 100% wages/turnover once during Romanov's tenure when it was 5 years on the bounce, sandwiched between two in the ninetie's. Pretty basic error's really.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...dbare-survival

Its also reassuring to notice how much the Yams are looking forward to competing in the Championship next season. This is maybe just as well as they could be there for a wee while, as long as they don get relegated that is. Then I suppose League One will be the place to be.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

Its also reassuring to notice how much the Yams are looking forward to competing in the Championship next season. This is maybe just as well as they could be there for a wee while, as long as they don get relegated that is. Then I suppose League One will be the place to be.

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They are sounding more and more like huns with each post.

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They are sounding more and more like huns with each post.

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http://i41.tinypic.com/jh4sj6.jpg

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http://i41.tinypic.com/jh4sj6.jpg

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:-)))

Apologies if already posted but someone just put this on twitter. When you thought they couldn't stoop any lower.

http://www.sundaypost.com/news-views...widow-1.175524

Tragic story. So sad to hear about the young family's loss.

I believe this sad episode is more a breakdown in communication or bad admin and nothing more sinister!

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Originally Posted by sixtwo

Tragic story. So sad to hear about the young family's loss.

I believe this sad episode is more a breakdown in communication or bad admin and nothing more sinister!

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Misleading headline as well as it wasn't Hearts it was Zebra finance.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

Misleading headline as well as it wasn't Hearts it was Zebra finance.

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Yep agree and glad to see they have done the right thing by writing off the debt

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Originally Posted by sixtwo

Tragic story. So sad to hear about the young family's loss.

I believe this sad episode is more a breakdown in communication or bad admin and nothing more sinister!

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Not a huge amount to do with hearts,more the finance company but they have seen sense now

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Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2

Not a huge amount to do with hearts,more the finance company but they have seen sense now

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:confused: Nothing to do with Hearts :confused:

Read the script, the widow says she contacted Hearts and they said she could'nt cancel because only the Board of Directors could cancel the payments and they did'nt have one.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

Apologies if already posted but someone just put this on twitter. When you thought they couldn't stoop any lower.

http://www.sundaypost.com/news-views...widow-1.175524

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That kind of **** isn't worth any point scoring at all. Tragic for the man and his family. Rip

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Originally Posted by greenginger

:confused: Nothing to do with Hearts :confused:

Read the script, the widow says she contacted Hearts and they said she could'nt cancel because only the Board of Directors could cancel the payments and they did'nt have one.

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I'm not sure even if Hearts did have a board of directors that they would be able to cancel the Direct Debits anyway as it's all dealt with by Zebra Finance. This story seems like a poor situation for those involved but that the Sunday Post have puffed up to make it seem a lot worse than it actually is.

One look at the headline confirms this "Hearts Bailiffs" is misleading because
It wasn't Hearts
Hearts don't employ Bailiffs
Bailiffs aren't anywhere near as common in Scotland as they are down south because they have little authority up here.

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

I'm not sure even if Hearts did have a board of directors that they would be able to cancel the Direct Debits anyway as it's all dealt with by Zebra Finance. This story seems like a poor situation for those involved but that the Sunday Post have puffed up to make it seem a lot worse than it actually is.

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:agree:

A fine example of journalistic :stirrer:

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

Apologies if already posted but someone just put this on twitter. When you thought they couldn't stoop any lower.

http://www.sundaypost.com/news-views...widow-1.175524

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:confused:

Thoughts go out to the family :agree:

Two things I don't understand reading the article...

1-What's to be achieved going to the papers about this when Zebra and Hearts have sorted the situation.
2- Why does the women have a Hearts top on when in the article it says she supports Hibs :confused:

Anyway - very unfair to have a go at them through this article.

Any idea why hertz played in there away strip yesterday. Is it a marketing ploy or can't they even afford to get there strips put through the washing machine anymore.


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Originally Posted by GreenStar

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Thoughts go out to the family :agree:

Two things I don't understand reading the article...

1-What's to be achieved going to the papers about this when Zebra and Hearts have sorted the situation.
2- Why does the women have a Hearts top on when in the article it says she supports Hibs :confused:

Anyway - very unfair to have a go at them through this article.

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The article says things were only sorted out after the newspaper got in touch with Hearts and Zebra Finance.

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Originally Posted by hibeesjoe

Any idea why hertz played in there away strip yesterday. Is it a marketing ploy or can't they even afford to get there strips put through the washing machine anymore.


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They'd be better using the other one then as the ***** wouldnae show on that.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

The article says things were only sorted out after the newspaper got in touch with Hearts and Zebra Finance.

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I saw that but still surely better ways of dealing with a situation like this than dragging the story through the paper. Unless it was a last resort? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Kaiser1962

Apologies if already posted but someone just put this on twitter. When you thought they couldn't stoop any lower.

http://www.sundaypost.com/news-views...widow-1.175524

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86 strips.

86.

That's a lot.

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Originally Posted by GreenStar

I saw that but still surely better ways of dealing with a situation like this than dragging the story through the paper. Unless it was a last resort? :confused:

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May'be the family got a few quid for the picture and the story. nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by hibeesjoe

Any idea why hertz played in there away strip yesterday. Is it a marketing ploy or can't they even afford to get there strips put through the washing machine anymore.


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Apparently there was a clash with both Motherwells home and away strip.

How is that stand still standing?

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86 strips.

86.

That's a lot.

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To mark their league title in 1986 of course.

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Originally Posted by JoeTortolanoFanClub

To mark their league title in 1986 of course.

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Did they win the league in '86? Surely there's some footage of them clinching the title out there. Anyone got a link?

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Originally Posted by GreenStar

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Thoughts go out to the family :agree:

Two things I don't understand reading the article...

1-What's to be achieved going to the papers about this when Zebra and Hearts have sorted the situation.
2- Why does the women have a Hearts top on when in the article it says she supports Hibs :confused:

Anyway - very unfair to have a go at them through this article.

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In the comments section the lady herself has explained that she was asked to wear her husband's Hearts top for the photo - as presumably was their eldest son - easy to say that you wouldn't wear a scabby Hearts top in a million years, but perhaps not so easy when said top belongs to your dearly departed dad/spouse :dunno:

Not for all the tea in China would I put that rag on my skin.

Sorry for her loss and all that though.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage East

Not for all the tea in China would I put that rag on my skin.

Sorry for her loss and all that though.

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I have a number of different teams tops but I've always said I would never put on a Hearts or an England top.....

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

I have a number of different teams tops but I've always said I would never put on a Hearts or an England top.....

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Personally I don't wear replica tops but I'd never wear anything other than a Hibs top or a foreign teams top. And even then i wouldn't wear any of them in public unless I was playing fitba.

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Originally Posted by basehibby

In the comments section the lady herself has explained that she was asked to wear her husband's Hearts top for the photo - as presumably was their eldest son - easy to say that you wouldn't wear a scabby Hearts top in a million years, but perhaps not so easy when said top belongs to your dearly departed dad/spouse :dunno:

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Hadn't read any of the comments section..so makes more sense now.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage East

Personally I don't wear replica tops but I'd never wear anything other than a Hibs top or a foreign teams top. And even then i wouldn't wear any of them in public unless I was playing fitba.

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That's what they are, no other Scottish teams. Current Hibs of course, Marseille, Dortmund, Sporting KC (where I live) Portland Timbers (similarity to Hibs top) and the like.......

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Originally Posted by Bajillions

Misleading headline as well as it wasn't Hearts it was Zebra finance.

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wait a minute.It ended up being a fault by Zebra. the lassie actually said that she Originally approached HMoFC,and was told ok, forget it, no problem. a week or so later she had to go back to HMoFC, after receiving a letter/ texts re-default payments. then a person at HMoFC said to her, that's wrong, you still have to pay. Is that not what she said in the report? or have I made that up? so, the headline was not entirely misleading, was it? :confused:

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Yep agree and glad to see they have done the right thing by writing off the debt

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why not read it through, and consider what the widow actually said when she originally approached HMoFC?

The person in charge of killing a story like that before it gets to print was probably one of the ten made redundant at the beginning of admin. It just shows the mess they are in.
The story is a shocker and I actually think the yams have been very hard done by. Still, seen as its them, I'll get over it.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage East

Not for all the tea in China would I put that rag on my skin.

Sorry for her loss and all that though.

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When i was 11 i played a game for Tynecastle boys club,scored twice,never told my oldman i had wore a maroon top to play football,and decided to move to Salveson Boys Club and played a few game for them that season,even at 11 i knew i made a mistake putting that turdbrown top on,would have went to Edina but they were horse in my league.

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When i was 11 i played a game for Tynecastle boys club,scored twice,never told my oldman i had wore a maroon top to play football,and decided to move to Salveson Boys Club and played a few game for them that season,even at 11 i knew i made a mistake putting that turdbrown top on,would have went to Edina but they were horse in my league.

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they possibly were, in your legue but the upside would have been that you could call yourself Edina Evergreen , or similar:greengrin

3 years ago my pal died. Turns out he wanted me to wear a hearts strip to his funeral but word never reached me. Take my word for it, I would have worn top shorts and socks that day. AlwAys will regret not knowing his wishes.


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they possibly were, in your legue but the upside would have been that you could call yourself Edina Evergreen , or similar:greengrin

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i grew up in Saughton Mains,Salvey were training at St Joes in broomhouse and George Stewart would do the odd training session,so not all bad.GGTTH

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Originally Posted by kaimendhibs

3 years ago my pal died. Turns out he wanted me to wear a hearts strip to his funeral but word never reached me. Take my word for it, I would have worn top shorts and socks that day. AlwAys will regret not knowing his wishes.


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I recall having a hearts scarf on that day mate. Absolutely no problem wearing it.

Just like the jambos who wore hibs colours at at the more recent funeral.

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I recall having a hearts scarf on that day mate. Absolutely no problem wearing it.

Just like the jambos who wore hibs colours at at the more recent funeral.

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Good on you G. And the hearts fans. It's only a game at the end of the day


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Originally Posted by Cabbage East

Personally I don't wear replica tops but I'd never wear anything other than a Hibs top or a foreign teams top. And even then i wouldn't wear any of them in public unless I was playing fitba.

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During the World Cup of 1978 I bought an Argentina top, then we went to war with the bassas next year.

Never wore the top again .......... until they knocked Engerlund out in 1986. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by kaimendhibs

3 years ago my pal died. Turns out he wanted me to wear a hearts strip to his funeral but word never reached me. Take my word for it, I would have worn top shorts and socks that day. AlwAys will regret not knowing his wishes.


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I too was there and did not know about that request but was squirming as there was such a large turn out that I had to hear the Hearts song played 5 times before I got out of Mortonhall and all the Jambo fellow workers who knew my allegiances were getting their Kill at my discomfort .

I played in a friendly a few years ago, the opposition had a man short so I offered my services, the only spare red top they had was an Engerland away top, they loved watching me squirm putting it on, played centre half scored 2 goals including one direct from a corner, they still go on about it to this day!

Anyway back on topic, is their any new news coming out of Lith land?

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During the World Cup of 1978 I bought an Argentina top, then we went to war with the bassas next year.

Never wore the top again .......... until they knocked Engerlund out in 1986. :greengrin

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The Falklands conflict did not occur until 1982.
To be honest I find your post quite offensive.

Hearts looking for a one in one out policy. clearly desperate to sell players. Hope they get told to beat it.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...licy-1-3265777

Any of these guys likely to buckle.........

The current SPFL Board is made up of Neil Doncaster (CEO), Ralph Topping (Chairman), Eric Riley (Celtic), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United), Duncan Fraser (Aberdeen), Les Gray (Hamilton Academical), Mike Mulraney (Alloa Athletic) and Bill Darroch (Stenhousemuir).

None of the board from bottom six team or ICT I note.

Someone needs to explain that to me.

Per Gary Locke in the article, they can't rest players. Yet also per the article Adam King who is signing for Swansea has only appeared 4 times. Why not play him more often?

Also how will a one in, one out help them rest players? Clearly just trying to get players in to 1) try and stay up and 2) get to the final.

We're no making excuses though, and we're taking our punishment on the chin. Aye right.

They might be getting beaten every week but if Bathgate's report on their game v Motherwell is anything to go by, they can hold their own and are more than capable of getting something out of most games. Hardly the scenario likely to demoralise their players, young or old. If the powers that be buckle under their constant whining, we'll see a stream of young players exiting to be replaced by Skacel and sundry other experienced players, with a guaranteed upturn in their fortunes no doubt. I hope they stand firm.

Love the quote this morning in the Scotsman. "If the scottish premiership were the solar system then Hearts would be somewhere beyond Pluto".

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Love the quote this morning in the Scotsman. "If the scottish premiership were the solar system then Hearts would be somewhere beyond Pluto".

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Does that mean that they've become Mickey Mouse?

And a point about former Yam, John Sutton's plea for leniency for the poor wee mites.

Motherwell have got the 3 points off them now and won't play them again at Tynie, so let them strengthen now and may'be they can take points off Aberdeen and Dundee Utd who still have to visit the Wonga Dome.

Not much sporting integrity in that proposal.

Jambo journalist Murray with his latest slavering. Looks like he is taking some bait in the comments as well....

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...ootball-league

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Love the quote this morning in the Scotsman. "If the scottish premiership were the solar system then Hearts would be somewhere beyond Pluto".

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They would disappear in a black hole beside Uranus Stellar Post .

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Someone needs to explain that to me.

Per Gary Locke in the article, they can't rest players. Yet also per the article Adam King who is signing for Swansea has only appeared 4 times. Why not play him more often?

Also how will a one in, one out help them rest players? Clearly just trying to get players in to 1) try and stay up and 2) get to the final.

We're no making excuses though, and we're taking our punishment on the chin. Aye right.

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They will be allowed to bring in an under 21 player if they sell one and he moves in the transfer window .We all know they want to bring in Rudi They can't accept that these rules were brought in to teams that cheated couldn't benefit or profit from there cheating However it doesn't surprise me that a team with no sporting integrity in the first place doesn't want to adhere to these rules.
Today at least should once a for all put an end to this ongoing farce .They should be told in no uncertain terms what the rules are and any further attempt to bend or undermine the Authorities should result in further punishment for bringing the game into Disrepute.

And more drivel from Keith Jackson:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...hearts-3015628

"IS the treatment of Hearts fair? Absolutely not. Must it continue unabated and without mercy? Sadly, there can be no other way. What we are currently witnessing at Tynecastle is unedifying, bordering on inhumane".

The last sentence above is simply hysteria, the man needs a straight-jacket!

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When i was 11 i played a game for Tynecastle boys club,scored twice,never told my oldman i had wore a maroon top to play football,and decided to move to Salveson Boys Club and played a few game for them that season,even at 11 i knew i made a mistake putting that turdbrown top on,would have went to Edina but they were horse in my league.

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A few years back a mate asked me, last minute, to play for a Hearts supporters team in a wee tournament. Wore the strip and, even worse, got the assist for the only goal of the game against the Hibs supporters team...

I still feel dirty.

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And more drivel from Keith Jackson:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...hearts-3015628

"IS the treatment of Hearts fair? Absolutely not. Must it continue unabated and without mercy? Sadly, there can be no other way. What we are currently witnessing at Tynecastle is unedifying, bordering on inhumane".

The last sentence above is simply hysteria, the man needs a straight-jacket!

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He has been quick to report on how poor we have been over recent years .On radio he often sounded patronising and smug when putting us down.There was no mention that we were prudently living within our means while hearts were not . Also this notion one man is imposing all this on the club without them knowing or being able to do anything about it it is just nonsense. The riccarton three spoke out ,but no one listened or acted ,as they were lapping up the good times ,while denying there would come a time when it couldn't be sustained .

My take on all the bleating from Hearts is that they are not used to being in this situation. Getting beat every week, facing relegation.

All the (ahem) success from years past is just making them confused/dilerious with the reality of today.

The fall will be long and hard.

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They will be allowed to bring in an under 21 player if they sell one and he moves in the transfer window .We all know they want to bring in Rudi They can't accept that these rules were brought in to teams that cheated couldn't benefit or profit from there cheating However it doesn't surprise me that a team with no sporting integrity in the first place doesn't want to adhere to these rules.
Today at least should once a for all put an end to this ongoing farce .They should be told in no uncertain terms what the rules are and any further attempt to bend or undermine the Authorities should result in further punishment for bringing the game into Disrepute.

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Locke is banging on about 17 and 18 year olds again. What was the average age of the last line up again? I'm sure it was nearer 22.

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And more drivel from Keith Jackson:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...hearts-3015628

"IS the treatment of Hearts fair? Absolutely not. Must it continue unabated and without mercy? Sadly, there can be no other way. What we are currently witnessing at Tynecastle is unedifying, bordering on inhumane".

The last sentence above is simply hysteria, the man needs a straight-jacket!

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"Scottish football has done this to Hearts".

Putting aside the years of financial doping, non-payment of players salaries, VAT and PAYE which some may argue is the actual cause of Hearts' current plight, would I not be right in thinking that it was Hearts themselves that asked for a transfer embargo to be imposed in lieu of a financial penalty?

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He has been quick to report on how poor we have been over recent years .On radio he often sounded patronising and smug when putting us down.There was no mention that we were prudently living within our means while hearts were not . Also this notion one man is imposing all this on the club without them knowing or being able to do anything about it it is just nonsense. The riccarton three spoke out ,but no one listened or acted ,as they were lapping up the good times ,while denying there would come a time when it couldn't be sustained .

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Careful there.

The 'Riccarton three' were not speaking out about unsustainable spending and the effect on competitition. They were talking about interference from Romanov and the treatement of some players which meant they were not being allowed the leeway to win more stuff basically.

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Hearts looking for a one in one out policy. clearly desperate to sell players. Hope they get told to beat it.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...licy-1-3265777

Any of these guys likely to buckle.........

The current SPFL Board is made up of Neil Doncaster (CEO), Ralph Topping (Chairman), Eric Riley (Celtic), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United), Duncan Fraser (Aberdeen), Les Gray (Hamilton Academical), Mike Mulraney (Alloa Athletic) and Bill Darroch (Stenhousemuir).

None of the board from bottom six team or ICT I note.

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"Scottish football has done this to Hearts".

Putting aside the years of financial doping, non-payment of players salaries, VAT and PAYE which some may argue is the actual cause of Hearts' current plight, would I not be right in thinking that it was Hearts themselves that asked for a transfer embargo to be imposed in lieu of a financial penalty?

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At the moment no one else has done anything to Hearts which has harmed them.

They are well adrift even without the points deduction and they have been unable to pay creditors so they have no money to pay for players anyway.

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Locke is banging on about 17 and 18 year olds again. What was the average age of the last line up again? I'm sure it was nearer 22.

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In the last derby there average age was 22 ours was 23
Dundee utd must be playing even closer to hearts average age with the young players in their squad and it's not doing them any harm they've more scouts than supporters these days the problem with hearts is the quality of the young players there just not very good.

I'm sick and tired of all this rubbish now the SPFL must put an end to it, they profited whilst every other club outside the OF cut costs and played laddies they continued to live beyond there means no one else to blame bar themselves

"And BDO will ask for special dispensation to
sign free agents, with at least two senior
players thought to be willing to join Hearts
for little recompense"

oh. I wonder who one of them would be? !!!

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Jambo journalist Murray with his latest slavering. Looks like he is taking some bait in the comments as well....

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...ootball-league

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Plus the unmistakeable waffling of a Mr Shaun Lawson, surely?

Why folk read this ***** I don't know. He's only doing it to get a reaction and be controversial.

All this stuff about "it's borderline Inhuman" FFS it's just a game of football. They are going down now anyway so let the "kids" just go out and try enjoy it. Some aren't ready but playing in the top flight at 17 /18 would be every boys dream.

****ing man up Hearts and just get on with it. It's football not life or death.

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Locke is banging on about 17 and 18 year olds again. What was the average age of the last line up again? I'm sure it was nearer 22.

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spot on. His team aren't as youthful and inexperienced as he would like everyone to think. Plenty other clubs having to play younger players these days, PLENTY. Their cheap excuse for being so far detached. Perhaps they should look at their training methods too as injuries seem frequent at their Training HQ.

There's no way that the SPFL will buckle today. Jog on Gary Cock e.

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Jambo journalist Murray with his latest slavering. Looks like he is taking some bait in the comments as well....

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...ootball-league

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Pleading, pathetic and pitiful - everything that his beloved club have become in the last few months (though I certainly offer no pity).

How delightful to see the arrogance turn into begging, and the acceptance of their punishment fly out of the window as soon as the ramifications of the sanctions start to hit home.

**** Hearts, and any media figure who stands up for them.

Just posted some quotes from Keith 'wealth-off-the-radar' Jackson on another thread.

Apparently, the 'inhumane treatment' of Hearts by the SPFL/SFA is as a direct result of the 'bloodlust' last year against his beloved Rangers.


This is more of a rhetorical question but, does anyone think he actually cares about Hearts or is it just another excuse to get a dig in about poor wee Rangers?

I would also think that the clubs immediately above them would go bananas if the rules are altered as they would then be almost certainly be forced into making expensive singings in order to retain their top flight status.

The repercussions would be enormous.

Jackson is just attempting to deflect flack from his company as the time will come when BDO take their monster fee that will surely leave hertz doomed. It's now clear to see why Jackson is so keen on keeping them in the Premiership.

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And more drivel from Keith Jackson:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...hearts-3015628

"IS the treatment of Hearts fair? Absolutely not. Must it continue unabated and without mercy? Sadly, there can be no other way. What we are currently witnessing at Tynecastle is unedifying, bordering on inhumane".

The last sentence above is simply hysteria, the man needs a straight-jacket!

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That's exactly what it is - hysterical :agree:


Ewan Murray being 'appalled' at the way Billy Brown was spoken to on the radio - come on Ewan, there are greater things in life to be 'appalled' at - and in the context of the radio show, Billy was given a forum to vent his spleen. His latest rant in The Guardian is nothing more than a 'shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted' piece - smothered with arrogant Hearts supporting angst and self pity (as are his replies to fair comments).

Jackson - the Record are struggling for readership numbers so it's only par for the course that he jumps on the media bandwagon of seeing Locke and Hearts as 'victims'. It's like the debt crisis and folk saying 'I didn't mean to rack up all this debt and go on two holidays a year and buy expensive cars, but they kept increasing my credit limit, what else was I to do' - maybe one day the penny will drop and media will report that there is a responsibility and an accountabilty that comes with everyday finance and housekeeping - if you aint got the money, don't spend it - if you overspend and cannot pay it back, there are penalties. Simple as that.

Go down to any public park in Edinburgh, coach any kids who play for teams, you'll hear of young school kids playing up to 3 games a week on occasion, or training every day if at an academy, nights with their club, school football teams - do you hear parents moaning about 'health and safety' of the kids ?

Smokescreen - that is what it is, pure and simple. It's a tough league, a hard league and a physical league - but these 'youngsters' were given professional contracts and were deemed good enough to become pro footballers. Every single SPL side, bar Celtic, are fielding teenagers and very early 20's footballers. Every side.

BDO decided who to get rid of when they came in - Hearts released experienced players like Barr, Sutton, Taoull, Webster, Zaliukas, etc - you'd need to look at the books of course but I'm convinced they could have retained at least 2 of these players as well as keeping McDonald, Stevenson and Hamill.

Maybe BDO and Southern should be under far more scrutiny from the media, not Locke and his 'boys'.

Whilst it is infuriating in many ways (and it certainly is), we should really just enjoy this. The fall from (dis)grace that they have suffered in going from their 'nobody likes us, we don't care' arrogance, to eliciting shear pity from detestable, ill informed characters like Keith Jackson, is indicative of how pathetic that club is.

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Just posted some quotes from Keith 'wealth-off-the-radar' Jackson on another thread.

Apparently, the 'inhumane treatment' of Hearts by the SPFL/SFA is as a direct result of the 'bloodlust' last year against his beloved Rangers.


This is more of a rhetorical question but, does anyone think he actually cares about Hearts or is it just another excuse to get a dig in about poor wee Rangers?

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You are of course correct. However, as Jackson points out in his article, the collapse of Rangers was entirely the fault of Craig Whyte. Shame on all of us who believed otherwise and wanted to punish this admirable club for the malevolent actions of one evil individual.

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Just posted some quotes from Keith 'wealth-off-the-radar' Jackson on another thread.

Apparently, the 'inhumane treatment' of Hearts by the SPFL/SFA is as a direct result of the 'bloodlust' last year against his beloved Rangers.


This is more of a rhetorical question but, does anyone think he actually cares about Hearts or is it just another excuse to get a dig in about poor wee Rangers?

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Jackson couldn`t give a flying one for Hearts or any clubs outside SevCo and the Soapies. That article is clearly an attack upon Scottish football fans for having the sheer temerity to try and see his huns punished for cheating. Him and his chums in the Glasgow media will never get over it.