I would be really interested to know how you know it's not a lie? Please explain.....You are making stuff up now. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Maybe you are close to her and she told you?
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I would be really interested to know how you know it's not a lie? Please explain.....You are making stuff up now. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Maybe you are close to her and she told you?
If she was evasive she'd have jumped into a fridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
You seem to be the only one calling her saint Nicola.
A fridge? Ok.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
You are the one making accusations again. Where is your evidence?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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I just wanted to know how you know it's not a lie? How would you know that information?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
You said "But it’s not a lie though is it?"
How can you know this information?
TrollQuote:
Originally Posted by James310
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Lol, how? Just because you made a statement that doesn't make sense don't blame me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I made one comment and you jumped on it demanding answer after answer.
If anything you are trolling me! I will give back as good as I get.
You're the one claiming she is telling lies, the burdon is therefore on you to prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
And you can't.
You're obsessed, must be eating you up everytime the SNP win an election.
I said I don't believe it, an opinion. Jeezo the Nicola fan club are really out in force at the moment. Maybe we should just ban any negative comments about her. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Your ex leader jumped into one to avoid scrutiny, whereas the FM stood at a podium and answered all questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
I get your disdain for the Leader in Scotland, currently living rent free in your head, but at least she has the kahoonas to answer all questions posed of her, even if you don't like them.
Let's see it the other "Leaders" will post their tax returns for the last few years. #waiting
Yet you want others to prove she is telling the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
You're all over the place. Utterly obsessed, you seem to spend half your life on this thread.
I make one comment and seem to live rent free in many peoples heads and generate lots of replies, like your good self. Then when I don't reply I get asked why are you ignoring the question. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Would like to make my first contribution to this fine thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
You're at it.
I've literally no idea what you're going on about now.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Take care.
Nicola published her Tax Returns today.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23193551.sturgeon-flees-questions-husbands-murky-100-000-snp-loan/Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Last time she got asked about it she evaded questioning by jumping into a lift.
Or she was going into a lift anyway and answered the questions put to her as the journalists followed her into the lift.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Did you read the article?
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Can we stick to debating the issues please. Discussing other posters rather than addressing their points isn’t on. If you don’t want to read a particular posters points then please just put them on ignore.
Hold on. You can post anything the FM says on here, tell us it’s a lie, and then insist on everyone else proving it’s not?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
That can’t possibly work.
You've just got that all wrong. No surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Did she declare anything for her for her grace and favour residence in Charlotte Square ? :greengrin
Hold on, you have it wrong. I expressed an opinion based on the fact I don't believe a couple as high profile as the FM and the leader of the SNP and her husband who is the CEO of the SNP lent the party a huge sum of money and they never discussed it or she can't remember discussing it. You think you would recall lending over £100K to anyone or anything, never mind the party you lead. (I am still allowed to have opinions I hope) A poster said it's definitely not a lie (that she never knew anything about it) and I asked how he could know that. That's about it. Really not looking to drag this on and I am wanting to give the poor Admins a rest for a night.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Works for religion. You can't prove there's no god so it must be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
As it is (AIUI) provided for security reasons, it's not taxable.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
But she seldom uses it , prefers her wee pad through the West.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Security not required there I take it. :greengrin
The level of 'debate' on this board in recent weeks is frankly embarrassing. We have tried to be patient, we have posted multiple warnings publicly (which are wilfully ignored within seconds), we have given warnings and infractions privately, we have closed threads and have reiterated the rules multiple times and still this utter nonsense continues.
Take this as a final warning. If this level of childish behaviour continues then posters will be removed from the board and the Holy Ground itself will be closing indefinitely.
We are stretched thin as an admin team currently. We all have a life of outside of here and yet we are dealing with multiple reported posts a day from the same handful of posters about posts by another handful of posters.
Put each other on ignore, turn the other cheek and grow up.
If she seldom uses BH, whether it's provided for security or not, there will be very little (or no) tax due on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Security on her personal residence will be the responsibility of the SG, and not taxable on her.
I would say that the security needs of NS are considerable and growing.[emoji22]Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Is Bute House not owned by the SG, therefore nothing to do with her tax, it's an official residence of the FM.
If it's not provided for security reasons, then it is taxable. The amount will depend on the extent to which she uses it.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
If it is provided for security purposes, then it's not taxable.
Russell's teapot is an analogy, formulated by the philosopher Bertrand Russell, to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making empirically unfalsifiable claims, rather than shifting the burden of disproof to others. Russell specifically applied his analogy in the context of religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
It got a mention on Richard Osmond’s house of games episode tonight too, albeit a repeat!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
It was on Only Connect tonight as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Scratch that.. it was only connect I seen it on 😂👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Too many quiz programmes on a Monday when still recovering from the weekend…
Pre-devolution, Bute House was the official residence of the secretary of state for Scotland. Since 1885?
Pure scunner for the anti-Nat, anti-devolutionists.
Today's front page of the English Telegraph's front story is Salmond laying into Sturgeon.
Scenes, Jeff! When was the last time the Telegraph bigged him up????
What is the prize? Really, what is the bloody prize?
Yep, a headline to influence all these hunners of Torygraph readers who were thinking about moving to Scotland and voting for the SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
How can you mistake Richard osman for Victoria Coren Mitchell 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Piece on the BBC with some details of Nicola’s tax return.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-64537218
She pays a large chunk of her income ( £ 58,331 ) into her pension pot held by the Scottish Parliamentary Pension Scheme. Guess her expenses and hubby income cover most of her living costs.
What is puzzling is the article goes on to say her tax charge of £7,991 payable because because her pension contribution exceeded the £40,000 allowable was met by parliamentary Pension Scheme , not Nicola herself.
Is there an explanation for this or is this the biased BBC at it again.
Calls today for an enquiry, I'd be doubtfulQuote:
Originally Posted by James310
Is he worried about women’s rights?Quote:
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I don’t know but it was definitely either Petrie or Sturgeon’s fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Eis to start targeted action
EIS
@EISUnion
The response from Scottish Government & COSLA has been, essentially, nil – & this now has forced an escalation in our action. The offer of a 9% real-terms pay cut, which is what is on the table, will never be acceptable
https://www.eis.org.uk/latest-news/targetedaction
It's in most of the papers. He was speaking at the Alba Burns Supper in Dundee, where he said Sturgeon has 'thrown away 30 years of steadily building support for independence for the sake of some self-indulgent nonsense'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
The footage is shown here, the main take from which IMHO is that he doesn't look in the best of health:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...04446052732108
My point is, why is the Telegraph, in England, running it as the main story?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
:boakQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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I'd be a bit surprised if it was the main story in their English edition but the furore around the issue has been national news so I guess they will deem it worthy of the front-page, especially as this is, as far as I know, the first time Salmond has made his views known on the bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
It was main story today.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Not a chance the basic newsworthiness of it merited that treatment. The establishment is scenting blood (rightly or wrongly) and they are chucking everything at it. They don't give a monkeys about the issue itself, it's all about attacking the SG.
Maybe they know something? Not unreasonable to suggest Sturgein may be considering her position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Not just the 'right wing' press making mileage from the Salmond intervention mind you:
Alex Salmond knows Nicola Sturgeon’s grip on power is slipping - New Statesman
There is only one pro-SNP newspaper. The Guardian have regularly criticised her so it's not a left v right thing and it's obviously not a pro-Salmomd thing. It's all about the media grasping at anything they can to turn voters against the SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
If they knew something that would be the story. I never mentioned right wing press. This is the establishment. The same one that protects Prince Andrew with diversionary attacks on Meghan. The same establishment that want Scotland in its place.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Salmond's utterings are never ever English front page material.
Aye, the unionist media are fair going for it just now. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
They may do what the unionist parties can't do at the ballot box and force sturgeon out but i suspect it might backfire on them in the long run. Attachment 26452
Quality :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
I've met one of the Herald's main writers, Martin Williams and he'd gladly publish that article if he could get away with it such is his hatred of the SNP.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-64555543
More from Salmond in a BBC interview.
I can't decide if Salmond being the poster boy for unionists says more about him or you guys!Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
We're through the looking glass now where wings over bath and Alex salmond are the goto's for the unionists. :hilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64562832
Good man. Starting to like this guy a lot.[emoji106]
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
:confused:
How has having his phone hacked won your admiration.? :greengrin
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Originally Posted by degenerated
Ridiculous, I can't remember what I had either that morning and does it really matter, if this is what they call journalism nowadays I'm glad I stopped reading the papers a long time ago.
It's a joke. It's comparing not knowing what you had for breakfast months ago, to not remembering your husband giving the party your head of 100k of your family money.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
They either have a weird marriage or they are exceedingly rich than 100k isn't a big deal
Surely that's a wind-up?Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
The FM has a memory like a sieve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Couldn't recall when she was told her long term political ally and one time mentor was being accused of serious sexual crimes, pretty big and shocking news you would think. Couldn't recall her husband donating a not insignificant sum of personal money to the party you lead.
Stick a blue or red rosette on her and a few more people might be questioning if it was just a memory problem.:wink:
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Not a very funny one but a joke none the less. It could have been worse, they could have specifically mentioned the rule breaking £100k donation. I wouldn't dare. :greengrin
Except that's not what has been reported is it? Still, makes a good story eh? Something to get angry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
They are from an ABN perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Strange one.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
He's later put himself in the frame for a leadership bid:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-64566957
I recall Sturgeon talking recently about 'democracy-denying' and let's face it, democracy should be cherished and protected.
I assume that means she will respond positively to Susan Aitken, the SNP leader of Glasgow City Council.
Susan is concerned about democracy. In fact, Susan is concerned about democracy at the closest it gets to us good citizens of these parts - voting and electing our councillors.
This is what Susan said - I hope she doesn'i mind, I've highlighed some bits in bold:
"...what we cannot be is treated solely as a delivery vehicle for national priorities at the expense of local needs. Almost the entirety of the additional £550million announced for local government in December has to be directed at national priorities. It did little or nothing for Glasgow’s budget gap, protecting the policies Ministers were elected on rather than the services local councils are expected to deliver.
The choices demanded by Scotland’s financial position are weighing heavily on everyone elected to represent our citizens. But it's councillors who are accountable for decisions about local public services. Our call to remove the restrictions holding us back from setting local priorities and taking local decisions isn’t just about democracy and accountability, it’s about the very survival of those services at this critical time.
Glasgow City Council’s budget needs to fund all of Glasgow’s services and so - with the greatest respect to colleagues at Holyrood - the decisions about it must and will be made here in Glasgow"
Well said Susan.
Hopefully Sturgeon reads her piece and heeds these wise words. And I don't mean just to prove she wasn't being a total hypocrite about 'democracy-denying', I'm not interested in tawdry accusations like that.
No, I'm interested iin democracy-promoting! And what better way to show you value democracy than to entrust decision-making about communities to those ellected closest to their communities. :aok:
And on the subject of promoting democracy at a local level, I note that the National Records of Scotland has started publihing Scottish Government papers from 2007.
These include John Swinney talking about threatening councils with stripping away their elected responsibilities for education and creating a National Education Service, if they didn't play ball with the council tax freeze.
A couple of SNP tropes here that are all too familiar
1) Centralising public services and taking control away from locally-elected representatives (e.g. police, fire, the carcrash that is the mooted National Care Service)
2) Putting stuff in their manifesto that they don't legally have the power to do (freezing CT was an SNP manifesto commitment but setting CT was the responsibility of councils, hence the need for threats and bullying re stripping powers away from locally-accountable representatives).
Same old, same old, isn't it?
Agree with her 100%. The situation where layers of government rely on grant funding from other layers of govt is just as wrong with the funding of councils as it is with the Scottish govt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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She isn't talking about relying on funding Oxy, she is talking about control on how and where to spend it. That's a world of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That control comes from the source of the funding though. You said yourself in your post that the SG were able to threaten to withdraw funding in order to get councils to do their bidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Councils should raise their own money so that they are able to concentrate on local priorities. There is too much centralisation in the UK.
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And a little bit less centralisation and we might not even have an independence movement?
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Seems to me that it's nothing to do with democracy, she's complaining about not having enough budget for her local authority. Well join the club, Susan. The stuff about being provided with funds to spend on national priorities is a red herring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
🤣🤣🤣🤣 this SNP Government has centralised everything it possibly can, Police, Fire Service, Control rooms Hospital A&E etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Fergus Ewing is not accepting any excuses for what he sees as a betrayal over the A9.
https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/...uallin-302757/
That’s what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
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It's not I'm afraid. If you read it properly you can see she's protesting about money being ring-fenced according to what mnisters want, not what councils want.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
And councils are the closest tier of democracy in our lives.
There's a difference between giving funding with conditions attached and taking schools out of local control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Neither are positive but it is the former which Ms Aitken points to as a denial of democracy.
I said it before you or him :grr: :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
At least we all agree that each layer of govt needs responsible and accountable for the money it raises and spends. Having another layer of govt deciding how money is granted or spent undermines democracy.
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How are hospital A&E centralised?Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Someone should tell the 8 regional health boards in Scotland, they deserve to knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Closed A&E in Dunfermline to merge with Kirkcaldy,,,, I think they knowQuote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Labour councillors in Glasgow won't be proposing an alternative budget to the SNP one.
It's like they've given up on democracy.
NHS Forth Valley brought under direct government control. I think they know.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Permanent or special measures?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
They all have to provide SG with Local Delivery Plans showing how they will meet SG's priorities. I think they know that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
To be accurate, special measures is English terminology.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
In Scotland we choose different desriptors (although they pretty much mean the same thing and people refer to SM here).
There isn't a timescale on how long a board stays in stage 4 or stage 5 on the performance escalation framework. Depends on the success of their recovery plan. Or potentially SG can dissolve the board.
Health boards a bit different in that they are not tied to council areas and they do have to answer to someone so it has to be the SG.
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Not permanent then. That's good to know. 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
I don''t think it's been that good for patients in Forth Valley.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I'm sure they're working hard on the plan you've indicated a few posts up. 👆Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
They sort of are though. The SG enacted legislation in 2016 which compelled health boards to develop a scheme of integration with the, or any, councils that were located within the health board geography. Wise heads counselled that it mustn't just be structural reform, that path had been taken before and it ended in folly. But what happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Much structural reform, much upheavel, much cost all to pursue 'better outcomes' despite solid research evidence that structural reform does not lead to better outcomes by itself, working culture, processes and practices need addressed as well as the in-built hierarchies you get in health systems and between health and social care.
Five years later, it then gets unceremoniously dumped as the SG decides that a National Care Service, supporting Community Health and Social Care Boards is the way to go, the silver bullet, the panacea. With more upheaval and cost and uncertainty all in the post (or in the courier van, to keep it modern!).
It would be depressing and borderline absurd if it wasn't for the fact that this affects everybdy's lives, everybody's wellbeing. And none more so than the weak, the ill and the vulnerable.
I suspect you don't know what the recovery plan says, let alone what stage its actions are at. The ink is barely dry on any remedial work.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I'll stick with evidence rather than blind faith.
Perhaps you're the one who should read my post "properly".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Btw I'm sick of your condescending posts so don't bother answering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
You said she was complaining about the size of her budget. She isn't. She is complaining about being told what to do with it by SG.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Fife HB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
The Victoria has been the main hospital in Fife for decades!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
And Queen Margaret used to have an A & E ..what’s your pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns