They didn't really bother me that much.
Until Mercer came along.....,
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They didn't really bother me that much.
Until Mercer came along.....,
I hate the poppy thief’s personally. Why I wouldn’t say I think they will stay up even if I believed it. But do think our support is generally too nice (not to our own players though).Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
What's worth bearing in mind is that provided we make the top six they will quickly run out of games to catch us. Only nine to go until the split which for starters would mean they would likely have to win five of them (bearing in mind our superior goal difference) while we would have to lose five and be generally pretty hopeless in the other four. Doesn't seem likely we would go on such a grim run of form under Ross.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacGruber
I think that despite what some of their bampot fans may believe, the club will be focused solely on getting away from the drop zone.
It's mental. Of course, it's possible Hearts will recover and pull away from the bottom of the league, but there are no guarantees.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Save from an admittedly very good win against Rangers (a game which Levein never failed to get them fired up for as well, by the way - even if they did take some beatings), they've not won in ages.
They drew 0-0 with Ross County in a match where they did not get a shot on target.
On Saturday, they failed to gain ground on St Johnstone and St Mirren, and they sit above Hamilton only on goal difference.
There has been some amount of hype, which I can't see how it can be considered justified, about them. They're unbeaten this year, I suppose that's something for them to cling on to, but they've only one win in that time. In fact, you can go all the way back to Stendel taking over and it's still only one league win.
St Johnstone had enough chances to win that game twice over. Hearts are a gang, they're nowhere near the team that some of the pundits are making them out to be, and there is every chance they'll be in and around the relegation places based on the evidence of the last year and a bit.
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Originally Posted by Barman Stanton
Can’t speak for other Hibs fans but I don’t measure our success against them and I never want to. They may be our city rivals but they are an inconsequential club really. Nothing they have done really resonates beyond their own support, their manufactured ‘pride’ re: WWI is the biggest thing they’ve got.
Same here, don't get me wrong I want to beat them badly and I really enjoy their plight since the heady days of agent Romanov but they're really just something to poke fun at as they toil along with all that extra money we keep hearing about. Looking like 3 years below us in the league since our cup win and they're falling behind whilst spending heavily.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
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My take on it is when they needed a new stand and they had to go into the dungeon of the old asbestos stand, they found Romanovs laundrette, it was full black bin bags of cash in whitch they didnt declare.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddoc
Think there were also wee green houses and red hotels....alongside some community chest cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by dchibs
Exactly the same with me. When they were yo-yoing and causing hassle during their First Division years under that weasel that’s when my attitude towards them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingPat4
What does it matter if some Hibs fans think hearts won't get relegated?
What difference does it make if some think that they will?
I can't believe that folk are being criticised for predicting the future. :crazy:
For me there’s three goals for the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Qualify for Europe
Get as far as possible in cups
Finish above hearts.
That was me to. Hardly noticed them until that man came.Quote:
Originally Posted by KingPat4
I think it’s to stem the huge disappointment if they don’t go downQuote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Well its just the overall mentality that might explain why they have a far far superior derby record to us. Just a difference I have noticed in the way the fans act. It seems to mean a lot more to them than us. Its not a criticism as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
But hey I could just be totally wrong and they probably just have a superior derby record due to us being crap a lot.
In the 70s I always expected Hibs to win the derby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barman Stanton
That changed in the 80s but I don't think the fans' mentality towards the game did. It certainly didn't have any effect on the results.
I don't really understand what indication you can take from someone thinking that hearts will or won't get relegated.
I imagine pretty much every Hibs fan would enjoy their relegation. My crystal ball has consistently told me that they will avoid the drop. If it's faulty, I'll send it back, but please don't think that my wanting to beat them is any less than anyone else.
I think 30 years of financial doping had something to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barman Stanton
Aye there is that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Yep. The very early years of the Edinburgh derby up until about 1920 also skews the overall record somewhat, Hearts were totally dominant. Take that and the "financial doping years" (1983-2013) out and there won't be much in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Their 'superior' derby-record cost 'other people' just over £100m over 30+ years - now it's back to the level playing-field it's us who look forward to the derby now !Quote:
Originally Posted by Barman Stanton
Yeah a few others have rightfully pointed that out directly above you :cool2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deansy
I used to work below Rockstar in the late 90s if I recall at Great Michael House overlooking leith links with views of ER in the background. I could see ER from my desk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibee87
Top tune :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by KingPat4
"Where the cocaine is Fairtrade and frequently displayed Is the Buena Vista Social Club CD" :greengrin
3 wins all season, and two of them with a lucky deflection. They're absolutely sh**e, no matter how much BBC sportsound try and talk them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
There seems to be some noise about FOH having now paid Bidco the original loan that saved their club and are about to become majority shareholders within a few months. Just the over budget stand to pony up for now?
Now they've paid back Ann Budge surely they'll start paying back the 200 creditors won't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
They don’t need to pay back the poppy fund. Sir Tom paid it off at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
Shhshhhhh. Don’t say that out loud now their all back patting.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
I'm just wondering how this is going to change their lives or their fortunes on-field. Is having a couple of seats on the board going to have as much of an impact as our having a couple on our board seems to have?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
What actual difference is it going to make? :dunno:
Craig Thomson is a paedophile.
Does “banter” like that not belong in 2010?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibeesmad
I hate being pedantic but surely it’s a fact rather than banter :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
It's true mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
As soon as I typed that out I knew what the reply would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibeesmad
So you’d think I’d have a half decent response ready 😂
True or not, it just makes me uneasy, using the crimes of a pervert to try to point score in football conversations.
I worked in that building too from 99 to 03. The Rockstar guys were a shady looking bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaf
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Originally Posted by greenlex
After some delay, will it be sink or swim time for Ian Murray’s ‘massive movement’?
No classQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibeesmad
It’s not true and it’s not classy to bring this up about a silly laddie who ruined his own life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Don’t they have an office next to the tram line across the road from Broughton Street?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Beasts tend not to have class.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Agreed, we should stick to emphasising the crimes their former owner remains indicted for in Lithuania but continues to evade in Russia, the stolen money is directly linked to everything their wee club was doing on the pitch then, and of course the stigma they carry around since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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That's what happens to you when you spend all night at your computer screen and come from Dundee.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Next to Baillie Gifford down from the Playhouse. They clubbed together to help Hearts out.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
It’s not a level playing field. External contributions over the past few years mean HMFC fans have ploughed through £25m of extra cash to 30 June 2019 and by my calculations will need another £5m of extra cash to see them through to the end of the current season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deansy
They simply cannot survive on their own, it always has to be someone else's money, or they will sink without a trace, a simply corrupt football team, always have been always will be, and they will continue to get away with it until the powers to be do a proper investigation on them as to why they rely on these cash injections.
Something tells me it stinks, big time.
Without getting into a debate about it, as I’ve no idea why it was even brought up, did he not plead guilty and was placed on the sex offenders register? Would seem as clear a case of him being a paedophile as you’ll get.Quote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
The whole thing was a sorry episode. They way Hearts dealt with it as a club was shocking tbh. Keeping him on the books and loaning him out to Kaunas etc. Didn't cover themselves in glory especially after employing Graham Rix. Luckily neither of them, or Romanov are affiliated with Hearts anymore so don't think it's a stick we should beat them with personallyQuote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
Whats not level about it? Their own fans are ploughing the cash in.Quote:
Originally Posted by cocteautwin
Fair play to their fans. Are you not slightly curious as to the anonymity donations, though? A club with a history of avoiding debts and money laundering has millions of pounds being ploughed through it with no discernable sign the money being spent sensibly. When theres a pattern like that people should be asking questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass
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Yip leave them to their business model and us to ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass
What always surprises me is the small pledger to FoH is about £20 a month which is £240 a year on top of their season ticket. They can of course stop the pledges at any time but in essence imagine their season ticket as £240 more.
That equates to us paying on average around £640 a year. Could you imagine us paying that sort of money for the sort of turgid play they have had over the last few years and relegation type form this year?
There is a reason why the donations are anonymous. Hearts don't want you know who they are from and the donator does not want to be known. Only one person has publicly come up with money since Hearts went into admin. If the doctors were anybody else but her they would have come forward when Hearts were in admin. Why if they had four times the money to give away that saved Hearts would they watch Hearts fans take out a loan at 6% interest? Why watch when another £2 million is made. If they were business people they would have taken the club over, provided some working capital and appointed real business people to run the club with a business plan they signed off on and reviewed regularly. Nobody pisses £9 million up the wall with no control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Quite possible to route the money through special purpose vehicles to disguise the source.
Interesting Budge's net worth estimated by Forbes at £16 million in 2019. She received £28 million for her IT company.
I totally agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Anything that's more than a 4 figure sum (ie £10k and above) should not be allowed to run as "anonymous donor" in the books.
And let's be real here, Hearts anonymous benefactors aren't ploughing in four figure sums.
They're not ploughing in five figure sums.
They're not even ploughing in six figure sums.
They've been ploughing in SEVEN figure sums.
Forget being under £10k - these donations are over 10 PER CENT of Hearts turnover, washed through the laundry as "anonymous donation"
That's a stituation that's definitely worth a look under the bonnet, I would say - especially after the Romanov/Mercer years
But this is well known and clearly allowed by the Authorities so maybe other. Luna need to finding thier own Anon BenefactorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
It seems to work for them
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Once again you are wrong, the anonymous backer(s) are not Ann Budge. Another inaccuracy in your above post, the largest individual anonymous donation is nowhere close to £9m.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Total donations are £9 million. Happy to be proved wrong but you need to provide some evidence. You seem to know the make up of all the donations. Why don't you give us some evidence even in general sketchy terms. You are beginning to sound like John Swinney. He always says rubbish when presented with a logical argument but counters with no facts to explain why it is rubbish. I have asked you before but you have never come up with anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
Her IT company was Newell and Budge. She was not sole owner. Sold off to SOPRA for a tidy sum but she didnt get the full 26m....afaik it was much less.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Probably pulled a considerable salary/profit for several years toQuote:
Originally Posted by Sudds_1
[QUOTE=FilipinoHibs;6073356]Probably pulled a considerable salary/profit for several years to[/QUOTEher
No doubt about that. She didnt have an IT bone in her body..her partner was the brains in that dept. But she was the business brain..did quite well across scotland in la and gov type contracts....hence SOPRAS eventual interest.
Hearts' finances are fascinating for a number of reasons.
Firstly there are the mysterious benefactors. They have committed large sums of money by anybody's standards with (apparently) little more return than the opportunity to watch their team without wearing a tie from the comfort of the (ahem!) Directors' Box.
Having said that, the behaviour of these particularly well-heeled Jambos merely mirrors that of their less well-to-do brethren who are happy to curtail the bairn's Christmas or cancel the family holiday in order to chuck ludicrous sums at the Foundation of Hearts.
There are further fascinations in their finances. To the neutral observer, the single-tiered, still unfinished stand doesn't look like a £22 million construction project. Even allowing for gross incompetence, it's hard to see where the money went.
Then there's the cost of running a bloated first-team squad and a top-heavy staffing structure, yet still being able to pull off six-figure signings with a reported £300,000 annual salary during the January transfer window.
Under normal circumstances, you'd expect this type of profligacy to end in tears but to Hearts, insolvency is a mere historical hiccup before returning to the tried and tested formula of free-spending financial doping.
They've maybe not been a happy bunch this season but it's amazing how quickly they got over their toil and trouble to get on board with the Stendel revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I can't believe they aren't more pissed off about their ability to piss money away. I'm a stakeholder at Hibs to the extent of being supporter and season ticket holder and I get annoyed when we waste money on careless signings or failed managerial appointments. The fact that they plough in as much of their hard earned as they do whilst tolerating the profligate waste of so much of that money astounds me.
It's almost as if they've never had the jolt that nearly losing your club brings to get you to pay a bit more attention to your own club's mortality.
To be fair they were very vocal laterally about wanting rid of Levine as ManagerQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Some probably wanted him no where near the Club So with Budge due to step aside , it will be interesting how they resolve issues like this
However I think the fact they have been working to a Fans takeover has helped them keep on board the people who originally paid monthly amounts to help save the Club
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If I recall correctly their accountants are compiled by an internationally renowned company so the guys doing the them aren't going to risk jail time or company reputation for a crappy wee football club!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Of course everyone in football is slightly curious but so long as the accountants sign off the accounts without so much as a sniff of qualification then curious is what we will remain.
As for them wasting money, long may it continue.
I would've thought at the very least the SFA would be asking questions but then again, the Jambos 'financial situation' is a mere drop compared to their big-bros over in Govan and not an eyebrow is raised and their history makes the jambos almost look honest by comparison !Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
You sure about that? The only time I ever here their finances mentioned are on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Nobody cares except for a few Hibs fans.
You got any evidence that the guys at R* put their money in? Or Baillie Gifford?Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
You do tend to post a lot of opinion as if its fact yourself so it's a bit lame asking others to come up with evidence when they question you.
There is no evidence linking the large donations to any individual or group of individuals. The Baillie Gifford link is a rumour that has been in circulation for a while, largely supported by people who claim to be in the know (self included here as I heard the tale directly from someone who claimed to know the people involved). The Rockstar connection appears to have been a ridiculous extrapolation based on the proximity of the two companies' offices. The theory that the cash came from the Rosebery family just seems to be a confection whipped up out of the fairly recent Hearts away kit that looked like a Battenberg cake and was launched in honour of Archibald Primrose, 5th Earl of Rosebery, a former Prime Minister and Chairman of Hearts. While old Archie was probably Hearts' last true celebrity fan, it remains doubtful that his ancestors contributed the cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
So the bottom line is, nobody knows for absolutely sure apart from the folks themselves, Auld Annie and, presumably, the auditors.
Why would they do that? It was nothing to do with FoH.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
....not forgetting being the Head Honcho of The Orange Order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan62
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Originally Posted by Jack
Do you ever read the business pages? The big accountancy firms are absolutely reeking. They will sign off anything on the basis of directors’ assurances.
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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Fixed that for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Budge being interviewed by Brian (I love Hearts) McLaughlin on BBC just now. Its almost like she gave him the list of questions to ask her.
Embarrassing by the BBC.
eta - Now Richard Gordon and Fatty Preston salivating about the unfinished dump of a stand........
Budgie on sportsound
Nothing will change unless the fans vote her off the board that will be soon i think.
Biscuits sitting in her legacy :greengrin "not finished yet but fantastic" :greengrin:aok:
I don’t get the kerfuffle.
Haven’t they always been fanny owned?
They do have the bestest coolest glass curtainy wally thingy in the entire stratosphere though.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
Richard Gordon's love for all things Hearts is weapons grade weirdness given he is an Aberdeen fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
Good news! There must be a few chippy's and spark's amongst them who can finish the new stand.
Mates rates.
The BBC appear to prefer the likes of his beige bland corporate pish to Michael Stewarts opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudSquall
Embarrassing
Their accountants are Johnston Carmichael LLP with head office in Melville Street and a few rural branch offices . They’ve probably never been heard of outside Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Oh, and they employed Hearts bent administrator Bryan Jackson, as soon as he finished getting them out of Vlads financial implosion.
Why are only Hibs fans interested in Hearts finances? They are our bitter rival and everything they do comes under the microscope. We are lucky to have had a few financial savy fans.
During the Romanov era where over several years he wrote off/converted to equity £40 million of debt. Nobody flinched in the Scottish media. When UKIO Bankas first went into trouble and widely reported in the financial media nobody flinched in the Scottish media and it was said Hearts would not be impacted. We all know how that ended. Only on here was their proper analysis and reporting.
I seem to recall that the former Rangers FC Accounts were audited by ‘Internationally renowned accountants’ as were Hearts’ accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
They both went bust shortly after.
Do we expect anything else tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
Single tiered restricted view stand that will cost over 24 million when complete and when it rains the media get soaked. This along with the risk of electrocution.
Aye dad on your bunch of roasters!
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Three nil Killie think the penny is starting to drop at the PBS :greengrin
They are callling the Goalie Poppadom hands 😀
Some poor sod on Kickback said Stendel's a fraud and has been hounded out, another poster who rather objectively mentioned that 2 months ago they were bottom and 2 months later they are still bottom hasn't been touched though :greengrin
One win in 9 league games but he is still the messiah down gorgie way lol
I wonder if our insightful football pundits will still be backing them to blast their way into the top six? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Flanny boy
do you think he's in deep thought about what he's ordering at the diggers after the game?Attachment 22963
Are they still calling him "Our Daniel" or is it now "Stendel"?Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigHibee
00stendel, shaken not stirredQuote:
Originally Posted by 007
Preston was predicting a push for top six the week after they beat the Rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Higgo
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Their Daniel has one win since he arrived and still has them rooted to the bottom of the league.
Going. Down.
Hopefully brings those delusional, arrogant ****ers back down to earth. After beating the huns last week you'd think they'd just beaten Barcelona. Totally forgetting the small matter that that was only their 3rd win of the season and they are still sitting rock bottom of the league.
Fluke result against Rangers but hopefully tonight they've been given the reality check they need.
Big week for Hearts next week.
They’re away at Celtic and St Mirren play Livingston, Hamilton at home to Aberdeen.
You’d fancy Aberdeen to win that but could quite easily see St Mirren beating Livi, if they do that’s them 7 points behind St Mirren with a poorer goal difference.
Get your popcorn at the ready folks... there's a thread on JK comparing stendal to cathro. This is going to be a blockbuster!!:cb
Think he was looking out his passport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Hopefully no reality check, I want them to carry on as they are! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by 21.05.2016
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I think he’s drinking gin through a straw that pops out the end of his sleeve.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraigHibee
Hearts have won THREE games this season and 2 of them were wins with HUUGE deflections
They were battered at Perth on Saturday and escaped with a 3-3 draw
Beaten at hame to Killie after being 3-0 down
Do people on here still honestly believe they are not in a relegation battle ?! Madness
I posted this on 22nd...
Now only 8 games before the split... They need wins from Ross County, St Mirren (away) and Motherwell if they want to avoid bottom 2.
.............
11 games left before the split.
In those 11 they play current top 6 (4 out of 6 away)...Celtic (away), Rangers (hearts win), Aberdeen (away), Motherwell, Livi (away), Hibs (away)
Then 5 teams around them - Ross County, Motherwell and (killie win) (home)
St Mirren and St Johnstone (draw) (away)
They will need points at home against Ross County, Motherwell and Killie as a minimum plus a win away. (They beat the huns - so still a chance against County and Motherwell)
I can’t see them beating Celtic away (never happens) or Rangers at home (Huns in good form - but bad form = hearts win ), Aberdeen away will be tough as always (Aberdeen in bad form) , Livi on the 3G tricky and ideally we win the Derby to do our bit.
Going into the final 5 games in the bottom 6..near the bottom.. will see the pressure increase significantly...
I would be starting to get worried as a jambo.