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Lived amongst it for decades, loads of really knowledgeable football fans down here, sound folk but whether it's cricket, rugby, lionesses or finals like tonight you don't half get a sizeable amount of bellends who are just there to be loud, nationalistic and in some cases pretty aggressive, thankfully they only surface infrequently and a defeat finishes them off for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by NC1875
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**** all this chat with Kane and Southgate. Can someone get hold of Starmer to clarify when we’re getting this bank holiday?
Wright and Ferdinand must be 2 of the worst analysts, and Dixon's not far behind themQuote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
He’s a decent guy. As a manager he’s far too cautious and he showed far too much loyalty to Kane who was clearly miles off it this tournament. Not that I’m complaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Gareth Southgate is a decent bloke :agree:
Still the most successful Engerlund manager since Sir Alf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I like the guy, he's knocking at the door of real success, hopefully they get in another expensive failure......
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Theres an argument that Gareths achievement of reaching two major finals one on foreign soil are harder to achieve than 66, where pretty much everything fell for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
What's the difference between football and Lassie?
Lassie came home!
Think I'll have a wee dram. Been saving a single malt
I agree. Those welts pelting him with beer earlier in the tournament should hang their heads. Gets England to 2 finals and a WC semifinal. Doesn’t need that abuseQuote:
Originally Posted by Onion
I'd agree with that, a hell of a lot does tend to fall for them. Even when there's seeding the top seeds seem to end up in the other half from England.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Handy though or we would miss out on the hype before the crushing defeat
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He hasn't reached 2 major semis on foreign soil though. Just one. 2021 was mostly at wembley.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Aye, means we are european champions by proxy 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
Apart from a worldie Bellingham was rotten, Kane too. They did turn up or play to their strengths. Playing defensive against Spain meant only one outcome. Found Spain pretty easy at Hampden too 🙈
The ITV interviewer asked him if he thought he had enough left to offer future success. Insensitive barsteward……..! I don’t think they deserve such a decent guy and hope he tells them to stuff it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Love Spain :greengrin
Massive relief but still feel a bit gutted for most of the players who come across as proper nice lads. Also, I’m watching ITV and it’s been very refreshing for a change. All of them saying they done well to get there but the better team won on the night. Nevill is one of the most balanced commentators around at the moment.
Unofficial bank holiday in Scotland tomorrowQuote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Clearly isn’t world classQuote:
Originally Posted by J-C
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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
ermm read the post again? :greengrin
I met John Stones in Ibiza last year. Great Lad and spent a bit time with my son getting pics etc. Made his day.Quote:
Originally Posted by pepe
Like i said in an earlier post. It’s the media and ex players that make them detestable.
Money well spent. Not 😃Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
Thought Simon might have saved thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Up-the-slope
Keep on writing the script Jude!
Sorry. Had a few :thumbsup::greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by 1875godsgift
Aye, just finishing off a nice Rioja myself! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Anyone got any tips for the well done England euro champions handicap chase at 4:15 at Newton Abbott tomorrow?
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Its incredible to me that he gets so little respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
:faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
The only reason I'm slightly dissapointed is that I had Spain to win 3-1 but I can live with that. Thought Olmo should've done better with the chance he had but for me he was one of the best players for Spain tonight.
lol 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by The Modfather
Vam-****ing-os
Is Harry Kane running?Quote:
Originally Posted by we are hibs
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Whether he is the best coach in the world or not he has done an absolutely amazing job of bringing them all together. Seems an incredibly decent person also particularly around the bollox after the Italy penalty shootout. He should leave now get millions from a job in Saudi and spend the rest of his life in the CaribbeanQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Aye, in the donkey derby😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Who does he play for?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Read the post againQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
They surely can’t get an easier run to a semi/final than that
Not sure it was an easy run Swiss and Netherlands are decentQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuart93
Compared with Spains it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Yamal turned 17 yesterday. Please tell me that was his wee brother he was carrying round there.😂😂😂
Real SociedadQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
shame we don't have a link up with them :)
Lovin' it [emoji16]
:greengrin
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Have the Scots started on the "We beat Spain 2:0 so we are the real European Champions"
You still hear Scots droning on about 2:3 in 1967.
A very refreshing win for football tonight though with front foot attacking football with 2 young wingers and the magnificent Danny Olmo.
Love it, Vamos!
England might have been runners up but they weren't the second best team in the tournament, for me.
There is a Sky-Sports-centric view of their squad and it's an overrated one. There are some good players, no doubt, but it's nowhere near as good as the English would have you believe. It's packed with players who are no better than their European counterparts and it's been proven time and time again. Even their golden generation, good players definitely, but world class and so far out in front of the competition, not a chance.
Spain were easily the better team tonight and across the tournament. England have had some amazing fortune across the last month and I'm not sure they'll ever have an easier draw, although I thought that at the last Euros. Their media, pundits and some of their fans would have been insufferable so I'm pleased. I'm also in Spain this week so hopefully the locals are cheerier!
Do you think we really believe Scotland became world champs after the 1967 win?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baldmans Comb
Have you thought for 57 years it was a serious claim?!
That **** for that.
Delighted they lost but strangely gutted for Gareth Southgate, who is a very likeable man and someone you can’t help but root for when he’s got the ugliest aspect of Englishness on his back.
They’ve got some top notch players and there’s a growing feeling of inevitability that it’s going to come home sometime soon but if we can keep kicking that can down the road 2 years at a time then I’m happy enough.
It arguably didn’t help them getting Narnia, Ramsay Street and Vatican City before playing a proper team in the final, but it’s impossible to argue that the best team from the very start of the finals didn’t win.
Absolutely delighted. Arrogant entitled twats put in their place. Well done Spain.
Absolutely anyone but England. Now and Forever.
Just got home, better team won and I'm happy about that. Decided to sit in the England block and wasn't disappointed.
Copa America final delayed due to trouble outside (apparently)
Folk being herded in 90 degree heat and kept there for hours
Seems shambolic
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Sitting waiting for it but losing patience by the minute. Seems a complete shambles and barely any updates of when/if it will actually startQuote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Sitting waiting for it but losing patience by the minute. Seems a complete shambles and barely any updates of when/if it will actually startQuote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
It’s been complete chaos outside the stadium, thousands broke through the gates. They ended up not checking tickets and let people in until the stadium was full, probably over crowded now.
It's been a great game so far, no useless possession just 2 teams that think they're better trying to score.
All agreed Messi is the greatest ever player now right?
Not a chance. He's had it easy. Eusebio was better and he got chopped down all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Messi literally went off injured last night :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Come on. By no metric can Eusebio touch Messi.
England had the easiest route to
a final any team has ever had in the Euros and even then they struggled to get there.
In 2016 Portugal played Iceland, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Poland and Wales. They won once in 90 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonHFC
Beyond any form of doubt after the Qatar 2022 World Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
The longevity of his career, the silverware in his cabinet and the goals, assists, and everything else in between speak for itself. A truly magnificent footballer who has adapted his game unbelievably with age/pace dipping off. Seven Ballon D’Ors in an era shared with the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Modric, Mbappe, Haaland, David Villa, Luis Suarez, Robben, Kroos, Lahm, Neuer, Schwienstieger, Neymar…the list goes on.
Don’t think we will ever see anyone as great as Lionel Messi again.
The Scottish Government should declare one in Scotland just for the laughs.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Outclassed by the first real team they faced. They will never get an easier route to the final again. Must hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonHFC
Brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
The atmosphere in the hotel I’m staying at in Kos is very subdued this morning. (Apart from us of course) Yesterday pretty much everyone was wearing England Tops/hats etc but this morning there’s nothing to be seen.
It was beyond doubt even if he hadn't won the world cup imo. That was just the icing on the cake. The fact managed to roll back the years in Qatar just proved even further how much he's on a different level to anyone else. I've never seen anything like Messi in that period between 2010 and 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Spaceman
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The greatest football player there will ever be, always has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Not a fan of the greatest ever player debate purely because what makes a striker world class isn’t what makes a full back or any other position world class, and the debate is always dominated by attacking players. Ends up leaving out generational talents like Maldini, Beckenbauer and Brian KerrQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
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I'd add Baresi to that listQuote:
Originally Posted by ErinGoBraghHFC
But I'd keep the rest of your list in too
Messi is the greatest by a mile.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Diego Armando Maradona.
The end.
Absolutely impossible to compare players of different generations, so many metrics have changed over the last 20 years let alone the last 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
All these greats should be left as they are and revered by the people who want to have them on the pedestal :agree:
I just don’t get why people get so annoyed if you disagree with them on who the best was. It’s not an actual competition, it’s just opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErinGoBraghHFC
Nobody gets so angry when someone has a different best film or best song, but dare to say Ronaldo is the best and folk lose their **** 😂
I used to think it was a stupid discussion and a waste of time comparing the greatest, until Messi did what he did consistently for 20 years. Hopefully he gets bettered one as I'm sure he will.
Agreed. What arrogance? Only in the eyes of Scots with a chip on their shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Hope you're okay mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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Why do you describe it like that? I didn't want England to win but my life wasn't over if they did. I've no chip on my shoulder, I just wasn't supporting them, much like not wanting Hearts to win anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Pretty sure the majority in Scotland were the same.
You are right of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wembley67
Would football coming home not mean it would come to Scotland?
Hes not maradona..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Spaceman
The greatest..
In case anyone hasn’t seen the 4.15 at Newton Abbot today..
2m5f (2m4f216y) Well Done England Euro Champions 2024 Handicap Chase
You're right. He's much better in every way. Far better international career too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7Hero
I’ve got a humungous, massive chip on my shoulder when it comes to stuff like this and I’m not in the least bit ashamed. Quite the opposite.
How can you choose between all those greats, Ronaldo, Messi, Maradona, Pele and my personal favourite Best. Not forgetting, Eusebio, Puskas etc.
I'm responding to the post claiming '30 million England fans switched on their TVs arrogantly assuming they'd win'.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Like Marinello I just don't see that from present day England fans, at least not any I know and, as you suggest, I think it's really only a minority of Scots who try to cling on to that.
You couldn't really find a less arrogant manager than Southgate despite the fact he must (statistically) be England's most successful boss. Maybe he could have done even better but successive Euros finals is good going. The 'he can't beat better teams/gets lucky draws' stuff doesn't really wash. There are only a handful of better sides than England so he's hardly likely to be drawn against them every round. You can only beat what's in front of you and he does that with impressive consistency. Suspect he'll bow out now tho.
Anyone who remembers Argentina 78 will know true hubris. Yes we were (on paper) a decent side but Ally Macleod claiming we were going to win the World Cup was only setting us up for a fall.
Brazilian Ronaldo was the best for me. An utter monster of a player. A freak of nature. It's all subjective though.
Sam Allardyce talking absolute nonsense on SSN
Apparently getting to a final was a bonus and England do really well with a small talent pool
Baffling
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Now that Spain have won euro 24 when can we expect Steve Clarke to come out of hiding and give us his thoughts on Scotland's forth coming international matches?
Boom….I was spot on 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
Indeed, the fanboys of players who throw wee tantrums when someone dares to offer a different opinion, or god forbid praises a different player, are a cringey embarrassment to modern football.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
For what it's worth, no player has excited me like Maradona. Does that mean I write off Messi's achievements (or Ronaldo's for that matter)?. Of course not. I never saw Pele other than some clips on YouTube. So I can't comment on him or others like Cruyff, Best, Eusebio, Di Stefano etc. And as others have mentioned, it only ever seems to be attacking players who are mentioned in these debates.
Diego is my favourite ever footballer but I can still appreciate others and their astonishing achievements and statistics and the fact that many many people prefer them. Different players in different eras. That's it.
Scotland and England are in kind of similar situations when it comes to their managers... both have admirable records at getting as far as they have in recent years, both are particularly negative, and huge questions should be asked as to whether or not they're getting as much as possible out of the squads at their disposal.
Re England and arrogance - if I had a squad of players with that level of ability I'd be pretty bloody arrogant, I'd be expecting to win the tournament and expecting to win it playing well. It's a very vintage English problem though - struggling to accommodate all the best players into a cohesive team and massive loyalty to certain players who may no longer be the best option in their position. Some of the more peripheral players in the squad look to be more likely to fit into a strong, attacking team than some of the starters.
Scotland have many weak positions and a couple of strong ones whereas England - for such a strong squad overall - look to have a couple of real Achilles heels that they're yet to find an adequate solution for. That said, once more they're a bawhair off winning stuff so they're not far away.
A bit like Hibs and Jack Ross, they've got a dilemma - do they show loyalty to the guy who has a track record of getting them so close in the hope he just manages to push them that little bit further or do they gamble on a different approach? Tough one.
1978. I knew it was all over when we had our victory parade before we set off. Ally was too busy advertising carpets to do any planning.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I think if England are wise they'd stick with Southgate for next tournament . Much the same as I think Scotland should stick with Clarke .
Potter is favourite for the England Job and I've seen quite a few had mentioned they'd like Mcinnes for the Scotland job .
My question is... Are either of these any better than they already have ? 🤔
Of course Southgate may not want to stick with them any longer. Who could blame him-the pressure must be enormous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby
Yeah , that is a big factor alright . Has to be one of ( if not thee ) biggest pressure jobs a manger could be in .Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
Southgate was the highest paid manager at the Euros.
I can't see any similarity between Scotland and England mangers, one had a poor set of results leading up to the tournament and then had nothing less than a disastrous campaign, England I would say reaching the final could be considered success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
As I recall, the Ally McLeod confidence and bluster was all tongue in cheek. No one really expected us to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
Not having that he’s off more than he’s on and majority of the squad picks itself, he’s played guys who where struggling all the way through the tournament, took 1 injured left back when he’s had 26 slots to fill, took a handful of centre mids and played a RB there first 2 games, any good manager wins that for England imo they have an incredible team on paper and probably should be celebrating retaining the tournament rather than messing up for the 2nd timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby