Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by PatHead

I've said before and will say it again.

Why do they not just get rid of the Glib one? What have they got to hide that King is a distraction from or what does he know?

Why on earth would you choose to have a crook on your board?

If they want outside investment who would he attract? SDM?

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It's a good question & brings me to a further question for Oz/CWG etc. If it was found that DK had not actually put any money into the club but instead had been funded by one or other of his fellow directors, let's say Douglas Park, would that raise questions about true ownership of shareholdings & ownership of the club/business whatever? IIRC, if someone owns 30% of a business then they have to annonce that fact & attempt to buy that business. Am i way out of line here or is that a possibility?

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/...x-it-for-king/

JJ saying that Petrie opposed King's F&P status.
Did we know this?

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Originally Posted by grunt

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/...x-it-for-king/

JJ saying that Petrie opposed King's F&P status.
Did we know this?

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Oh, I read further, and he's also saying this:

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The £5m offer is conditional upon Ashley withdrawing from all litigation in regard to RIFC and the SFA’s fit and proper determination.

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He seems to be coming round to the view of a few on here that the meeting with the spfl was the tipping point. The beaks at Hampden do not want to have to lie in court. I think King was told he had to make it go away or the SFA would act against Sevco.


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Originally Posted by grunt

Oh, I read further, and he's also saying this:

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I always assumed he would try for that. It's whether Ashley is willing to play ball?


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Originally Posted by grunt

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/...x-it-for-king/

JJ saying that Petrie opposed King's F&P status.
Did we know this?

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It wasn't public.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

He seems to be coming round to the view of a few on here that the meeting with the spfl was the tipping point. The beaks at Hampden do not want to have to lie in court. I think King was told he had to make it go away or the SFA would act against Sevco.


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Well let's hope it doesn't go away and the truth comes out ,Looks like people at the top getting nervous ,and in the interests of Sporting Integrity it's about time we heard the truth and if that involves the SFA acting against Sevco bring it on ,as am getting tired of thier continued posturing about getting back to being the biggest and best club ,back in Europe etc etc and then bleating they aren't on enough committees to wield thier influence ,Seems they are managing to do that fine without being on committees .

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

He seems to be coming round to the view of a few on here that the meeting with the spfl was the tipping point. The beaks at Hampden do not want to have to lie in court. I think King was told he had to make it go away or the SFA would act against Sevco.


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He's suggesting that Regan was in on the meeting. Not sure how he would know, but it does explain why some people are suggesting the the F&P status was under discussion.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

They're in default on the loan, as it should have been paid a while back. So.... the terms no longer apply and, as you say, there may...will....be penalty clauses.

DK will know that, of course. We don't, and I'm speculating that one of them could be the right to keep the jerseys :)

Further to that, it may be in MA's interests to keep the loan unpaid.

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Ashley has nothing to lose and everything to gain by them defaulting on the loan. 5 mill is peanuts to him, and potentially offers a big return in terms of the inevitable penalty clauses he has. King made a terrible tactical error by making this personal.

It's in Rangers' interest to get the loan paid off and Ashley out of the equation as soon as possible. The fact that they can't seem to do this, whether for reasons of lack of financial resources, or internal politics and bickering or both, doesn't bode well.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

They're in default on the loan, as it should have been paid a while back. So.... the terms no longer apply and, as you say, there may...will....be penalty clauses.

DK will know that, of course. We don't, and I'm speculating that one of them could be the right to keep the jerseys :)

Further to that, it may be in MA's interests to keep the loan unpaid.

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CWG, How are they in default? If they are surely MA would be in court over the debt rather than shaking King's and the SFA's cages over other matters.

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Originally Posted by Brunswickbill

CWG, How are they in default? If they are surely MA would be in court over the debt rather than shaking King's and the SFA's cages over other matters.

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Because they didn't repay it when it was meant to be paid, IIRC.

Like I say, it may suit MA to keep it that way. Penalty clauses, holding on to the IP, holding on to the securities, keeping the 7-year notice period untouched. All for the sake of £5m, which ( I think) he's getting interest on as well.

There's no point in taking RFC to Court if he's happy to keep things as they are.

I thought they were in default as soon as they sacked Llambias and Leach.
I understood that one of the conditions of the loan was that he had two Directors on the Board?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

He's suggesting that Regan was in on the meeting. Not sure how he would know, but it does explain why some people are suggesting the the F&P status was under discussion.

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Re this F&P status - when last week, King was questioned outside Hampden, his explanation (guaranteed 100% lie !) was " It was just a courtesy meeting as I haven't met these guys". So does this mean he was passed as 'Fit & Proper' yet didn't even have to go through an interview with them ?. Because if that's true, you'd think that having a record like his, at the very least, a face-to-face meeting would've been top of the list so they could at least have looked him in the eye and see how he reacted to questions - or am I just being stupid by looking at things as if logic, common-sense, honesty and decency are everyday happenings where the Hun and the GFA are concerned ??

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Originally Posted by Deansy

Re this F&P status - when last week, King was questioned outside Hampden, his explanation (guaranteed 100% lie !) was " It was just a courtesy meeting as I haven't met these guys". So does this mean he was passed as 'Fit & Proper' yet didn't even have to go through an interview with them ?. Because if that's true, you'd think that having a record like his, at the very least, a face-to-face meeting would've been top of the list so they could at least have looked him in the eye and see how he reacted to questions - or am I just being stupid by looking at things as if logic, common-sense, honesty and decency are everyday happenings where the Hun and the GFA are concerned ??

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No, I wondered the same thing myself....

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Originally Posted by grunt

I thought they were in default as soon as they sacked Llambias and Leach.
I understood that one of the conditions of the loan was that he had two Directors on the Board?

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Oh yes, so it was.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Because they didn't repay it when it was meant to be paid, IIRC.

Like I say, it may suit MA to keep it that way. Penalty clauses, holding on to the IP, holding on to the securities, keeping the 7-year notice period untouched. All for the sake of £5m, which ( I think) he's getting interest on as well.

There's no point in taking RFC to Court if he's happy to keep things as they are.

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My recollection was there was no interest but the higher percentage of the merchandise profit. (which in effect was interest but by another name)

That allowed the old board to say there was no interest on the loan. Not to say there wont be a Wonga rate of interest after default though.

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Originally Posted by Deansy

Re this F&P status - when last week, King was questioned outside Hampden, his explanation (guaranteed 100% lie !) was " It was just a courtesy meeting as I haven't met these guys". So does this mean he was passed as 'Fit & Proper' yet didn't even have to go through an interview with them ?. Because if that's true, you'd think that having a record like his, at the very least, a face-to-face meeting would've been top of the list so they could at least have looked him in the eye and see how he reacted to questions - or am I just being stupid by looking at things as if logic, common-sense, honesty and decency are everyday happenings where the Hun and the GFA are concerned ??

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He was meeting the SPFL last week.

It was the SFA who passed him as F&P.



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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

He was meeting the SPFL last week.

It was the SFA who passed him as F&P.



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Doesn't mean the two bodies aren't communicating. I would expect them to be.

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

Doesn't mean the two bodies aren't communicating. I would expect them to be.

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And it's not like they are both based in the same office, oh no wait...

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

Doesn't mean the two bodies aren't communicating. I would expect them to be.

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The point was that he hadn't met the SPFL before last week. The question was asked why that was the case when he'd been passed as F&P.

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

Doesn't mean the two bodies aren't communicating. I would expect them to be.

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I think we know from 2012 and the death of RFC / birth of Sevco that the SFA and the SPL were in cahoots on the issue.

I bet Regan and Doncaster discuss them every time they meet on the sixth floor.

In the cludgie.
With the taps on.
And the hand-dryers blasting.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

He was meeting the SPFL last week.

It was the SFA who passed him as F&P.



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Cheers Bud.

Fulham now targeting Mark Warburton for new boss.


http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ful...KQlv3yHjJv8.97

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Fulham now targeting Mark Warburton for new boss.


http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ful...KQlv3yHjJv8.97

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Following his performance at the AGM, where he was as inspiring as a regional salesman discussing his company car, I think Warburton's star might have risen as far as it ever will.

He'd be mad to turn down a fat pay packet and move back South with Fulham if gets offered it. He's proved he'll do whatever a chairman tells him, which Khan will like.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...it-Symons.html

Making the newspapers too ! :thumbsup:

Better watch, many more rejections and Stubbs me be getting a phone call....

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Originally Posted by jacomoseven

Following his performance at the AGM, where he was as inspiring as a regional salesman discussing his company car, I think Warburton's star might have risen as far as it ever will.

He'd be mad to turn down a fat pay packet and move back South with Fulham if gets offered it. He's proved he'll do whatever a chairman tells him, which Khan will like.

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When he dies they will never get the coffin lid down to bury him as his foot will be wedged into it.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...it-Symons.html

Making the newspapers too ! :thumbsup:

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I can't see this being right. He is reported as being fourth choice manager when he should never be higher than 33rd.

I hope he rejects them as it's his coupon I want to see spluttering after we win the league.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...it-Symons.html

Making the newspapers too ! :thumbsup:

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Telegraph is wrong though as The Petrofeck won't be the first trophy for The Rangers since 2012, didn't they win their first trophy when they won the Third division in 2013? A great achievement for a new team's first season in league football...

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Originally Posted by Ronniekirk

Well let's hope it doesn't go away and the truth comes out ,Looks like people at the top getting nervous ,and in the interests of Sporting Integrity it's about time we heard the truth and if that involves the SFA acting against Sevco bring it on ,as am getting tired of thier continued posturing about getting back to being the biggest and best club ,back in Europe etc etc and then bleating they aren't on enough committees to wield thier influence ,Seems they are managing to do that fine without being on committees .

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Wonder when the penny will eventually drop that 'getting back' to a position that was only made possible in the 1st place by an endless supply of dodgy-money, just ISN'T going to happen - especially when there's not even dodgy-money about, just a dodgy chairman/board !!

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Originally Posted by greenginger

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...it-Symons.html

Making the newspapers too ! :thumbsup:

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2/1 2nd favourite with Skybet. 8/1 bar 2

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Originally Posted by Sergey

2/1 2nd favourite with Skybet. 8/1 bar 2

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I'd be very surprised.

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Originally Posted by Deansy

Wonder when the penny will eventually drop that 'getting back' to a position that was only made possible in the 1st place by an endless supply of dodgy-money, just ISN'T going to happen - especially when there's not even dodgy-money about, just a dodgy chairman/board !!

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And dodgy referees giving dodgy decisions and dodgy officials at SFA/SPFL turning a blind eye and dodgy agents tapping up players on their behalf. It might not be as difficult as you think.

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Originally Posted by Sergey

2/1 2nd favourite with Skybet. 8/1 bar 2

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Originally Posted by 3pm

I'd be very surprised.

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There's no chance of Warburton leaving Sevco for Fulham. Better with the circus you know.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

There's no chance of Warburton leaving Sevco for Fulham. Better with the circus you know.

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I agree and would rather they did not get any cash. They are not as good a side as us. They have very little depth to their squad. We can win this league.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I agree and would rather they did not get any cash. They are not as good a side as us. They have very little depth to their squad. We can win this league.


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Positive thinking on a dreary Monday morning..... I like it :aok:

Even if Warby does not leave, it would be good to get a bit of uncertainty, controversy , anger amongst the hoards.

What's the record, Sun etc got to say ? now't I would guess.

Any word of the herald exclusive regarding the big tax case appeal?

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I agree and would rather they did not get any cash. They are not as good a side as us. They have very little depth to their squad. We can win this league.


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I agree but if it was just down to footballing ability/quality/mind-set etc then yes, we could, should and can win this league - but it's the Hun and what will be done, to ensure they don't spend another season in the championship, doesn't bear thinking about. We're not just taking on them, we're taking on almost the entire rotten establishment of our game !. Come the end of this season, I can guarantee we'll have never endured such a season of 'honest mistakes', 'strange decisions', 'unfortunate events' and outright, blatant cheating !!.

And NEVER - will sticking it to the Hun be so absolutely, exquisitely and fantastically superb !

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I agree and would rather they did not get any cash. They are not as good a side as us. They have very little depth to their squad. We can win this league.


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Watching a little of their game on Sat I had the same thought. The same team & formation trots out every week. They have very few options to change things & they don't have star players on their bench. If they recruit in Jan I suspect it will be loan signings &/or free agents. I believe we have a far stronger squad, its now down to our mentality & also that of other clubs in the league when playing against Sevco, Raith this weekend is a good example.

Hopefully he will have talks and they will break down obviously The Rangers will not stand I. The way of a dream move and he will want to go after Fulham opens the bid at £25,000 and ups it to £49,999 after there 4th or 5th bid, respectfully done by Fulham, obviously.

After talks break down between him and Fulham he is left in Govan and the orcs then give him constant abuse, the board don't give him any spending money ( not that they have any) and sell a few players and he then sequels like a stuffed pig when Hibs romp the league.

If only I did football Carlesberg wouldn't get a look in for dreaming

GGTTH

Warburton now odds-on (8/11) with Skybet for the Fulham gig.

Might be a goer if the lure of money and the relocation back to London suits him and his family.

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Originally Posted by Sergey

Warburton now odds-on (8/11) with Skybet for the Fulham gig.

Might be a goer if the lure of money and the relocation back to London suits him and his family.

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And still not a chirp out of Orc media about the possible departure of the man with the magic hat.

If he does go, and Weir stays, we will no doubt learn that Warby was just the front man , the real tactician was his assistant.

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Originally Posted by Sergey

Warburton now odds-on (8/11) with Skybet for the Fulham gig.

Might be a goer if the lure of money and the relocation back to London suits him and his family.

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Does this price actually reflect the wads of money placed on Warburton or would Skybet be dishonest enough to 'doctor' prices as a 'come on' to tempt gullible folk to splash their cash? :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Does this price actually reflect the wads of money placed on Warburton or would Skybet be dishonest enough to 'doctor' prices as a 'come on' to tempt gullible folk to splash their cash? :hmmm:

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You can get better odds with Paddypower and Betfair so how would an 8/11 tempt anyone to Skybet ?

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Originally Posted by Jim44

There's no chance of Warburton leaving Sevco for Fulham. Better with the circus you know.

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Fulham are a mess at the moment. Lots of fire directed towards Mike Rigg who is kind of a director of football, who seems to influence things. There's a reason that various managers have turned down what otherwise looks like a decent enough gig. That said, given Warburton's performance as lead puppet at the AGM last week, he doesn't appear too adverse to being someone's 'yes' man.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

You can get better odds with Paddypower and Betfair so how would an 8/11 tempt anyone to Skybet ?

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I take your point and suppose it's quite obvious. So I take it that lots of money has been put on Warburton with Skybet and their odds have been accordingly adjusted.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

I take your point and suppose it's quite obvious. So I take it that lots of money has been put on Warburton with Skybet and their odds have been accordingly adjusted.

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Or they are creating the hype to get more money on... normally the market is very similar with a point here or there if one firm makes a stand.

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Originally Posted by underscore

Or they are creating the hype to get more money on... normally the market is very similar with a point here or there if one firm makes a stand.

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Well that takes me back to my post back a bit, which greenginger disputed. :dunno:

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Originally Posted by Jim44

Well that takes me back to my post back a bit, which greenginger disputed. :dunno:

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Some people only have accounts with one provider... they announce there has been a massive plunge from say 8 to 8/11....dafty online thinks "Oh he must be a cert" and chucks £50 on it. The amount of actual money on it will be minimal.

On SKY Sports news-
"Have you had any contact at all with any other club?"
MW - "I'm The Rangers manager"
Could have tried to avoid a straight answer a bit sharper than that.

"Our focus right now is on Rangers". How many minutes/hours/days does "right now" cover?

Appeal submitted.

BBC's. Sevco apologist in Chief gets the scoop surprise surprise............

Richard Wilson (@RichwilBBC)
30/11/2015 15:11
BDO have submitted their appeal against Court of Session's ruling on Rangers' use of EBTs. They are seeking leave to appeal at Supreme Court

What is to be gained for BDO by submitting an appeal?
I get that Sevco have titles at stake, but not sure how it affects BDO. Shouldn't they be trying to avoid further court costs to ensure maximum return for the creditors?

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Originally Posted by greenginger

And still not a chirp out of Orc media about the possible departure of the man with the magic hat.

If he does go, and Weir stays, we will no doubt learn that Warby was just the front man , the real tactician was his assistant.

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That last sentence gave me a right chuckle. Could imagine it being exactly what they'd say

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Originally Posted by StevieC

What is to be gained for BDO by submitting an appeal?
I get that Sevco have titles at stake, but not sure how it affects BDO. Shouldn't they be trying to avoid further court costs to ensure maximum return for the creditors?

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It depends who is paying for the appeal.

If it were them, I'd agree with you.

However, there has been talk that the Murray Group (or even other clubs and companies who have vested interest in the case) might pick up the tab.

EDIT... at this stage, it's just "seeking leave to appeal". It's not definitely going ahead.

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Originally Posted by Sergey

Warburton now odds-on (8/11) with Skybet for the Fulham gig.

Might be a goer if the lure of money and the relocation back to London suits him and his family.

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His head says to stay at Rangers but his magic hat says to get the hell out of there as soon as possible.

From Fulham Forum:

Rangers manager Mark Warburton dismisses Fulham link

Mark Warburton has distanced himself from the Fulham manager's job after he was installed as the bookmakers' favourite.

The Rangers boss has been heavily linked with the vacant Craven Cottage role after leading the Ibrox side to the top of the Scottish Championship.

Warburton has overseen 12 wins out of 14 and his team will move three points clear of closest challengers Hibernian if they win their game in hand at home to Dumbarton on Tuesday.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...medium=twitter

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Originally Posted by Jim44

From Fulham Forum:

Rangers manager Mark Warburton dismisses Fulham link

Mark Warburton has distanced himself from the Fulham manager's job after he was installed as the bookmakers' favourite.

The Rangers boss has been heavily linked with the vacant Craven Cottage role after leading the Ibrox side to the top of the Scottish Championship.

Warburton has overseen 12 wins out of 14 and his team will move three points clear of closest challengers Hibernian if they win their game in hand at home to Dumbarton on Tuesday.

http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...medium=twitter

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I bet the Sky Sports link was written by Jim White :greengrin

Dick Advocat now installed as second favourite after Warby.

https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/...ave-to-appeal/


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Roddy Forsyth in the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...oes-ahead.html

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Telegraph Sport also understands that opinion amongst London legal experts holds that BDO has a strong chance of having the Court of Session verdict overturned should the matter be heard for a fourth time and that it was a certainty that the liquidators would appeal from the moment the Edinburgh decision was published.

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Roddy Forsyth in the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...oes-ahead.html

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Yet another Sevco stooge! I wonder who gave Roddy that info? I think it's possible BDO are appealing on behalf of the many rather than the few, or indeed the one! Perhaps they feel some moral responsibility to represent the minor creditors who will lose out should HMRC prevail. Then again it may be as CWG says they've been dashed a considerable amount of wonga by SDM & who are BDO to turn down more money!!

Ronald De Boer....it wasnt the money that took me to rangers...Man U offered the same...I played for Rangers with my heart....oh, and I had a dicky knee and Rangers were offering me the same money for an extra year. Which just goes to show that it was absolutely the EBT because without it rangers could not have matched the money from Man U or offered an extra year

The longer this lasts, the more BDO earn in fees. That will be the number 1 motivation right there.


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https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com...-ending-story/

Well worth a read from the blogger who first brought this to everyone's attention.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com...-ending-story/

Well worth a read from the blogger who first brought this to everyone's attention.


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This should be required reading for every Scottish journalist and football pundit.
I had the misfortune to catch part of Sportsound tonight where they were wittering on about whether EBTs were illegal or not
After all this time the media in this country should have a far better, more informed view of the situation than they do.

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Originally Posted by grunt

This should be required reading for every Scottish journalist and football pundit.
I had the misfortune to catch part of Sportsound tonight where they were wittering on about whether EBTs were illegal or not
After all this time the media in this country should have a far better, more informed view of the situation than they do.

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They've read it. They choose to play dumb.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com...-ending-story/

Well worth a read from the blogger who first brought this to everyone's attention.


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That is superb. Everyone involved in the management & administration of Scottish Football should be required to read it. They should then either provide a satisfactory rebuttal to the points raised or provide an explanation as to why they colluded in failing to apply their own rules & regulations to the entity which was Rangers. Shameful!

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Originally Posted by brog

That is superb. Everyone involved in the management & administration of Scottish Football should be required to read it. They should then either provide a satisfactory rebuttal to the points raised or provide an explanation as to why they colluded in failing to apply their own rules & regulations to the entity which was Rangers. Shameful!

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Agreed. Bang-on every point.

I fed them some information a few years ago when CW got involved as I had an avenue for info. The blogger(s) are actually based in Hong Kong and working from afar. Not that that's stopped them nailing the info.

The whispers I supplied will undoubtedly come out in the forthcoming trial - but I'm glad that the little snippets that I provided them helped to piece together the bigger jigsaw.

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Originally Posted by brog

Yet another Sevco stooge! I wonder who gave Roddy that info? I think it's possible BDO are appealing on behalf of the many rather than the few, or indeed the one! Perhaps they feel some moral responsibility to represent the minor creditors who will lose out should HMRC prevail. Then again it may be as CWG says they've been dashed a considerable amount of wonga by SDM & who are BDO to turn down more money!!

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Another possibility is that the creditors committee.....I think it's called....have instructed BDO to appeal. The smaller creditors, in whose interests the appeal is, may outvote HMRC on that committee.

If that's the case, I think BDO's hands are tied.

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Originally Posted by Sergey

Agreed. Bang-on every point.

I fed them some information a few years ago when CW got involved as I had an avenue for info. The blogger(s) are actually based in Hong Kong and working from afar. Not that that's stopped them nailing the info.

The whispers I supplied will undoubtedly come out in the forthcoming trial - but I'm glad that the little snippets that I provided them helped to piece together the bigger jigsaw.

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Here we go....

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Originally Posted by Kaff

Here we go....

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Another possibility is that the creditors committee.....I think it's called....have instructed BDO to appeal. The smaller creditors, in whose interests the appeal is, may outvote HMRC on that committee.

If that's the case, I think BDO's hands are tied.

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Do you not think that BDO will be under pressure from their own clients? Many of whom may well have EBTs or have implemented them on BDO's advice?

If the decision is left to stand that puts BDO's clients in a tricky position and therefore BDO as well.

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Originally Posted by Onceinawhile

Do you not think that BDO will be under pressure from their own clients? Many of whom may well have EBTs or have implemented them on BDO's advice?

If the decision is left to stand that puts BDO's clients in a tricky position and therefore BDO as well.

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The liquidator, which is a sole or joint appointment, has responsibility to the Court first, the creditors second and his employer third . If any client of the firm puts that kind of pressure on, they should be told to bolt.

As D&P have shown, no client is worth that kind of hassle. And if the joint liquidators have succumbed to that kind of pressure, they deserve the same kind of kicking.

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http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/01...on-could-mak/?

Still seems to be a bit of mileage in the Warby to Fulham story.

Who knows what he has been told about his January transfer business.

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Still seems to be a bit of mileage in the Warby to Fulham story.

Who knows what he has been told about his January transfer business.

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I see the story has finally emerged in Scottish paper-land ...

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...Warburton.html

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I see the story has finally emerged in Scottish paper-land ...

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...Warburton.html

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Warburton always sounds like he's speaking from a manual. He says a lot without saying anything of any value.

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I see the story has finally emerged in Scottish paper-land ...

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...Warburton.html

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Bound to come to Real Madrids' attention as well now that the Scottish sun are on the case about a week after it appeared on here :greengrin

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Warburton always sounds like he's speaking from a manual. He says a lot without saying anything of any value.

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He's the generic email of football management.

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He's the generic email of football management.

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Respectfully though.


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For anyone who didn't click the link last night, didn't get time to read it, wonders what this thread is all about, thinks we should just move on etc etc.
Please just read this.
https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com...-ending-story/



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For anyone who didn't click the link last night, didn't get time to read it, wonders what this thread is all about, thinks we should just move on etc etc.
Please just read this.
https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com...-ending-story/



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That blog post had 10,000 unique hits last night, apparently. One of them was mine.

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That blog post had 10,000 unique hits last night, apparently. One of them was mine.

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It deserves and will get a lot more over the next few days. He/she has been sorely missed over the last few years.


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For anyone who didn't click the link last night, didn't get time to read it, wonders what this thread is all about, thinks we should just move on etc etc.
Please just read this.
https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com...-ending-story/



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excellent piece, very well written!

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It deserves and will get a lot more over the next few days. He/she has been sorely missed over the last few years.

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I would also recommend clicking the Discounted Option link in the piece AKA the wee tax case.

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Another possibility is that the creditors committee.....I think it's called....have instructed BDO to appeal. The smaller creditors, in whose interests the appeal is, may outvote HMRC on that committee.

If that's the case, I think BDO's hands are tied.

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James Doleman (@jamesdoleman)
30/11/2015 16:05
Of 49 Scottish submissions to appeal to the Supreme Court in last 6 years, 3 were accepted. twitter.com/ScotlandSky/st…

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James Doleman (@jamesdoleman)
30/11/2015 16:05
Of 49 Scottish submissions to appeal to the Supreme Court in last 6 years, 3 were accepted. twitter.com/ScotlandSky/st…

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And none of those three were unanimous decisions like the Rangers tax case.


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Resolution 10 failed

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/agm-result-notice/


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https://rangerstaxcase.wordpress.com...-ending-story/

Well worth a read from the blogger who first brought this to everyone's attention.


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The argument about tax avoidance vs tax evasion can continue.

What is beyond doubt is that Rangers did not disclose full details of their player contracts to the football authorities - a requirement of every club that wishes to compete in Scotland.

Therefore, their players were not properly registered. Bye bye titles win during that period.

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I see the story has finally emerged in Scottish paper-land ...

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...Warburton.html

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Reads like a come-and-get-me plea to me.

As I said a couple of days ago, Warburton comes across as a deeply mediocre individual who seems to think he's some kind of leadership guru. I bet he's watched all Terry Buthcher's seminars.

He'd be mad not to take the money on offer now.

Davie Weir to step up in his place?

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Resolution 10 failed

http://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/agm-result-notice/


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The % of votes for and against cast for each resolution are almost the same yet resolution 10 was not carried. How come?

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The % of votes for and against cast for each resolution are almost the same yet resolution 10 was not carried How come?

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That one needed 75% in favour to carry it.

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The % of votes for and against cast for each resolution are almost the same yet resolution 10 was not carried. How come?

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Did it not need 75%?

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Did it not need 75%?

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Gotcha.

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The argument about tax avoidance vs tax evasion can continue.

What is beyond doubt is that Rangers did not disclose full details of their player contracts to the football authorities - a requirement of every club that wishes to compete in Scotland.

Therefore, their players were not properly registered. Bye bye titles win during that period.

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That's the bottom line.

If they had nothing to hide why did they, errm, hide stuff?

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Reads like a come-and-get-me plea to me.

As I said a couple of days ago, Warburton comes across as a deeply mediocre individual who seems to think he's some kind of leadership guru. I bet he's watched all Terry Buthcher's seminars.

He'd be mad not to take the money on offer now.

Davie Weir to step up in his place?

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Warby is 13/8 favourite, and you can get 6/1 the field.

After the Allan saga, surely the huns wouldn't stand in the way of a guy trying to better himself?

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The argument about tax avoidance vs tax evasion can continue.

What is beyond doubt is that Rangers did not disclose full details of their player contracts to the football authorities - a requirement of every club that wishes to compete in Scotland.

Therefore, their players were not properly registered. Bye bye titles win during that period.

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Like it or not, the side letter issue has already been addressed and the huns were fined accordingly.

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Like it or not, the side letter issue has already been addressed and the huns were fined accordingly.

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Addressed by HMRC?

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addressed by hmrc?

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HMRC and SFA.