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I'll be as happy as anyone if Hibs win and then follow up with a win or at least a draw against Hearts, but I just can't see it, that is the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
We all hope there will be big improvements. The jury is out after a so-so pre-season, both in terms of games played and signings.
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
We, as fans pretend to know everything and like to suggest players for the club to sign. However we don't know who is out there, willing to sign or has the personality we are looking for.
What is frustrating me is this 'summer of change' advertised by the club, just never materialised. Every fan (irrespective of football knowledge) knows our midfield is an embarrassment, we now play our season opener with a weaker midfield than last season. Even if we were to sign a few more, players need time to settle.
Some of us don't deserve to be termed as a 'supporter'.
Maybe the club needs to do a bit more to earn that support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
A disgraceful situation to be in after all Petries pleading and the fan phone calls, beginning to wonder what is going on at Hibs and is Fenlon the right man, the next 2 weeks will tell a lot.
4-1 Hibs as opposed to 4-6 united says a lot!!!!! Even the bookies know we are going to be bottom feeders this year!!!
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Originally Posted by gbur123ukgb
My daughter goes out with one of the Livvy players -JC & Yogi have changed the whole way of thinking at the club...the players love it, they love JC's professionalism, when he takes the training he leads from the front!
They cannot believe how fit he is, he could probably still play in that division...
...anyway, the moral of the story is that JC tried to change Hibs into a fitter & football playing team (not hoofball) changing their eating habits, their lifestyle (that's been our problem for years at ER) but the players couldn't recognise what he was up to so they went greetin' to the moustache WHO should have told them to get on their bike!
I remember one game when Maka laced one up the park from his box - JC ran out the dugout and gave him pelters for booting the ball back to the opposition as he just told him 2 mins before that to throw out to the LB/RB. How do any good footballing sides play, play from the back!!
Ok, he signed a few players that were not so great but he only had so much funds to play with and he was still learning as it was his first job. I think that was one of the reasons he left was that he wanted more cash? Might be wrong!
The way we go about our transfer business is extremely frustrating for us fans, although I do see where the club is coming from in not releasing info etc. However, if its true about some of our targets that we have missed out on, other SPL sides are after them too. Every paper is full of info on signing targets of St J, Utd, ICT etc but Hibs are never mentioned. Fans get frustrated because there is a lack of communication from the club about possible targets. All we hear is 'we are trying to bring people in' 'the right quality' etc it is wearing thin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs7
But the way Hibs do business we could sign someone at lunchtime today that no-one could of predicted, its the Hibs way of doing things it seems.
It would be nice to feel that we can compete with so called 'lesser' teams though. Teams with smaller wage budgets, much smaller income (ST's etc) and much smaller fan bases.. At the moment I'm struggling to see us compete with anyone in the transfer market.
Petrie can blab all he wants about the Rangers situation however the TV deal is now sealed and every other club is in the same boat..
... and they were beaten 1-0 by Annan last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delboy4
Surely Fenlon not falling into the old traps and just buying anyone is a good sign? This is a big rebuild and the next two weeks will prove nothing either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs7
You don't really earn support though, support should be there when its needed! When one of your family is having a bad time do you sit down and assess whether or not they have done enough for you to help them through their difficult time? I doubt it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
Support of something/someone you love should be unconditional, not something that is earned!
My family don't charge 405 quid a year to see them 19 times though.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs_or_sat_am
That means nothing, it's the start of the season, they were playing a few 18/19 year old as they have a couple of injuries!Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
The director of football takes training ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delboy4
Especially with Thomson being the ref.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum Hibee
Yip, when he is not away working on TV. He was there most of the pre-season...Yogi lasted 5 mins!! haha:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Using your family as an analogy is a bit much.
It's a football team!!!!!!
The reason people watch sport is to be entertained by people who have a superior skillset and can demonstrate that by competing against other highly skilled individuals. See the Olympics.
Hibs are neither entertaining or capable of competing so why should i waste time watching. I will always support though.
Somehow I don't think the reaction would be quite as phlegmatic on here if Hibs were beaten by a third division team (excepting you know who).Quote:
Originally Posted by Delboy4
Manager : John McGlynn (Raith Rovers)
Last season : 5th
In : None
Out : Ian Black, midfielder (Rangers); Suso Santana, midfielder (Tenerife); Adrian Mrowiec, midfielder (Leipzig); Stephen Elliott, forward (Coventry City); Gary Glen, forward (Ross County); Jordan Morton, midfielder (Livingston); Jason Thomson, defender (Raith Rovers, loan made permanent); Chris Kane, midfielder (Dunfermline Athletic); Gary Graham, forward (Clyde); Rudi Skacel, midfielder; Craig Beattie, forward; Marian Kello, goalkeeper; David Obua, midfielder; Aaron Murdoch, midfielder; Chris Tobin, midfielder; Ryan Stewart, midfielder; Colin Hamilton, defender; Matthew Park, defender
I fancy us to take something at the weekend. United got a bit of run around at times last night, and although the deflection was cruel, their keeper kept them in the game [why didn't we ever ask the agent that gets their keepers to get one for us?]
That must have taken something out of their legs.
The player we needed to sign in the pre-season was Mr Confidence. We won't know if he has signed until the whistle blows.
Brilliant thats the difference ehQuote:
Originally Posted by Delboy4
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Originally Posted by Mikey
Nope!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
We will still bottle it from them :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
Keep going the same way if you like. It's your call.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuart7-0
Andy, nail on head - "just buying anyone" Again this is where my issue is! Players should have been identified before the end of the season and brought in immediately to ensure we had a successful pre-season! Again, for the last couple of years, this did not happen! So we end up scrapping the barrel for cheap solutions to a massive problem thereby, ensuring the current 'incumbent' falls into that particular trap again ...!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
As for the next two weeks proving nothing, I have to disagree with you there! Two losses in two weeks will incur all sorts of problems: irate fans, Fenlon out, not Hibs class, cannae pass a ball, pure pash ... list goes on, until we get to the usual point where players lose 'confidence' becoming scared to play!
So, for me, Here we go again on our season long perpetual cycle of if only! By both sides of the Hibs coin!
I agree 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
However lots have made up their mind already.
DundeeUtd have lost only one of their last 13 league clashes with #Hibernian (W8 D4).
Stewart, Shields, Brown and Sproule were the 3 names mentioned to me by a current player then on the fringes of the 1st team squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by West Upper Pie
When a member of my family is sick we rally round, its the same if Im sick they rally round but with Hibs its all one way.You cant pull the wool over our eyes with quality signings, your club needs you and bull**** forever......Quote:
Originally Posted by hibs_or_sat_am
Didn't say it didn't matter to them, all I was meaning that it was the start of the season, a cup game and they had 3 or 4 young lads playing in the team...seemingly they did everything but score!Quote:
Originally Posted by Part/Time Supporter
It's the Hibs way unfortunatelyQuote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Are the last few pages on this thread for real?
Im sick to the back teeth of the same posters going on and on about the same stuff, fair enough have an opinion but do you continually need to slag the club and everything it does? I wouldnt mind betting that most of these posters hardly ever set foot in Easter Road - I might be wrong but doubt it. And what's this John Collins/Yogi Hughes love in all about? Both were poor managers at Hibs and Collin's signings were particulary bad, in fact I would say they were the worst in recent history ....and thats saying something. I cant see Livi being a success with those 2 at the helm.
All the players he signed were not so great as you put it, and he wasted plenty good money on AOB, Maka and O'Brien before he had to resort to the urine he brought in latterly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delboy4
I hope Yogi and JC do well but I'll wait and see before claiming them to be a success story.
They were both successful with us early doors as well and because players like them and their methods it doesn't guarantee success.
Maybe, doesn't mean they are wrong though Scoopyboy.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Nearly 6 pages since someone "in the know" posted a rumour, I'll never get the last few minutes back! Any chance of getting back on topic?
So does that make them right then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
I would love to but am hearing brussel sprout.Quote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
Ok, gies a rumour then.:cbQuote:
Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
These threads only work if there is any bloody rumours.
Mibbes Aye, mibbes naw.:na na:Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Well after sunday it will be 2 in 14Quote:
Originally Posted by carnoustiehibee
It is astonishing, isn't it. Constantly talking the club down can do nothing but harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
Aye 2 goals for United, in the first 14 minutes :offski:Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
And as I said in another thread, if they are not going to the games, as is their entitlement, I hope to hell they are not on the match day thread abusing every bloody pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
Wether someone hardly ever sets foot inside ER is actually of little consequence, everyone has an opinion, wether you like it or not, you say "does everyone have to continually need to slag the club" then go on to rip the piss out of Yogi And JC, I take it you just stayed quiet when they were at the helm and stayed quietuntil they left the club, then started ripping into them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
It also irks me that folk type alot of nonsense, I´m one of them, but if you dont wish to see it dont read it, you cant deny there is not alot to complain about at Hibs, 3 new signings after shipping a whole team out the door?
The club still makes statements for us to support them, the club has done absolutely nothing in 3 odd years except get to one SC Cup Final. We have backed them with hard cash for little or no return, alot of posters have had it with Hibs, especially this week, PLEASE OH PLEASE BUY SEASON TICKETS, no sooner had they shifted "hundreds of tickets"they then shafted these fans by having TV shift the games to a sunday yi couldnae ****in make it up, at the moment there are more negative things around Hibs than positive, thats maybe why folk are posting more negative stories:dunno:
Anyhoos I,m looking forward to a new season without the buns and a derby in the second week so bring it on.
Very, very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
I've brought this up a couple of times and been shot down.
FFS, we have a young team. Hanlon, Booth, Stevenson, Stephens, Wotherspoon etc - there's no way that the constant negativity wouldn't affect them. Even seasoned professionals are human and will reach a point where they've had enough.
Here we go again messageboard negativity is responsible for young players unable to make a simple pass, trap a ball or do the basic defending, midfield or attacking roles effectively.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
More? Nope, it's the same thing over and over again. We ALL know the problems. Since when was picking over the same scab anything other than self indulgent. It helps nobody and only serves to drag morale down even further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass
Indeed, every game I have been too including final do we not give it plenty as team comes out?, week in week out it is on a plate for players only for 100% themselves to ruin it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Tell you what, I'll come to your workplace and shout how you're pish week in week out and we'll see how you perform then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
If you're focused on not making mistakes as opposed to making a positive difference, you will make silly little mistakes.
As the same things are there and not addressed, so you want people to make 1 point and until there is a change post nothing more? Does that go for things deemed positive?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Exactly. This year more than ever before (certainly since the Mercer days), our team needs our support. I know things have not gone well recently, but that is in the past. Now is the time to look forward. The team needs our support to build a better future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
When the going gets tough, what do you do?
No loving for John Collins - just liked how he TRIED to show players how to play, train and live like a professional footballer. He was pi$$ing up against a :brickwallQuote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
He is nearly 45 years old and could still play in the lower leagues (my opinion).
Ok he made mistakes along the way, but who doesn't in life!
He did sign some dross too, but that is the Hibs way, sell good players and buy cheap and if you get a good cheap player - sell him to your nearest rivals!
Didier Agathe is probably the best scenario that we let slip! £50k FFS
And by the way, I do go to ER, have done so since I was a boy.
GGTTH
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and what about folk shouting good stuff? that just ignored? When I am at games aye folk shout but its not 1000s it is some folk and plenty of time it is cancelled out by plenty of applause at times which will be heard far more than any shouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
If you want to put that into workplace then you cant just select the parts at a game you think, you have to select all so yes I will accept the pay the stick from you as long as I also have the good parts that far far outweigh some folk shouting yer p1sh at matches.
Play a bit o' Billy Ocean...:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
Ive no qualms with folk slagging the club, I get bored when they make the same point over and over. Why slag the lack of signings if you hardly set foot inside ER thus not providing the manager with transfer funds? Who are the 3 new signingswe have made during the summer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass
That post was pish. Try harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsberg
There's howls of derision at every mistake made, some of what I've heard shouted is ridiculous.
I counted about twelve minutes after his debut to the first "YOU'RE *****, CLAROS". Ridiculous scenario.
And the same 'youngsters' who have been in the team for FIVE (yes, that's FIVE) years...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Twelve minutes isnae bad these days:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Yet again people living again in the .net bubble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Hibs.net is not Hibs and it is not visited by the vast majority of Hibs supporters. Yes there is plenty negativity on this board, people bumping their gums about plenty of topics and some times with good reason but never,NEVER is that same negativity displayed at the games. The crowd always backs the team even in the most humiliating of circumstances like the cup final.
Please don't mistake people letting off steam in here with supporting the team on the terraces.
Howls of derision will happen no matter where a player plays as will comments, the derision they will hear, I disagree they will always here the your p1shes shouted unless it is all at once which it isnt as it is individuals, again you ignore the plenty of claps on a good pass or shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
That is the scenario they are aware of so a player takes away just the shouting he gets and nothing else? How often has a player had a shout then 2mins later 20x the amount of folk are clapping a pass, happens in every game.
And you talk of stick, calling peoples posts p1sh, luckily I can handle that unlike footballers eh?
add to the above, this guyQuote:
Originally Posted by Hamish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siphiwe_Tshabalala from the Rumours site, but a very random name to come up with?
How about we start a new thread purley for signing rumours (No comments allowed) see how many pages that would take up :greengrin
Nonsense my good man, Torben Joneleit was a great signing................. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
That's not what I am saying at all and well you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsberg
I agree with you Spike except for the bold bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
If the crowd always back the team how do I hear booing and slagging of the players at ER?
What are you saying then?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I'm trying to get things back on topic but seemingly without much luck:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
You always get the occasional buffoon at the fitba Scoopy we are all old enough and wise enough to know that there are certain folk we would rather not sit beside but we notice these guys because they are the exception that proves the rule. Nearly everybody in ER on matchday is there willing them to win and backing the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Good try. Just read my original post, I am not going to say the same thing over (and over) again. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Carlsberg
Not that random if you play football manager. I cheapo signing at the start of the game who is quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamish
This thread is full of rubbish, but the fans just want new signings, and everything seems to have gone quiet regarding anyone joining the club. Its ridiculous the squad we are taking into a new season.Quote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
The only way to get thread back on track is for someone to post a rumour. If Scoopyboy isn't hearing anything we may as well close the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamish
You will hear slagging and booing but you will hear clapping and encoragement also, I certainly do. Of course folk shout out but IMO in grand scheme of a matchaday, players come out to good cheers as game goes some complain but lots do not and clap, HT will be either the main boo or cheer (apart from a goal) same in 2nd half with again main boo or cheer on final whistle.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Over course of game plenty of far louder claps than shouts of negativity and all this a player will find at any club that is well underperforming.
Fairy nuff - at my age I am afraid playing Football Manager is not one of my top priorities.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by easty
There is no good try. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Indeed. The leaders of the Scottish game and the SPL chairmen should take note.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
Just about to say that - it appears to be very quiet rumours wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Not strictly true mate:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Speedway posted up last night one but admit I wished the likes of Brooster, TQM, etc would post rumours as they are generally accurate.
How often were you at ER last season? When things were going wrong the crowd was pretty quick to turn, especially on the chosen whipping boys. A couple of opposition managers commented on how playing at home seemed to work against Hibs for that very reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsberg
Surely we'd have to sign up Maybury & Kerr today for them to be eligible sunday?
:agree: Although I wouldn't call them leaders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
I ignored the Speedway one in the hope it was some kind of joke about 'terms'. He does like a wind up after all.:wink: disappointing if true imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
nothing to comment on so all we get is vacuous hyperbole from bored net anoraks.
"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser" We can't argue with that general idea. The so called happy clappers appear to be saying it's alright to f up year after year otherwise they wouldn't be siding with a club that has seen it's side dipping to the point of relegation when it should be sitting in the top six. I can only accept one of two options one is to complain even if it is only here the other is to accept us performing well below where we should be. That seems to be the two camps on here. I'm doing my best to support the club, I bought my season ticket as soon as they went up on sale, despite everything. However, I won't be quiet when it's obvious that there are people running our club who are not improving the dire situation we are in. I do accept that it could turn out we who complain are being amongst other things premature. However, my gut instinct only occasionally lets me down when it comes to Hibs, and currently I am concerned that we don't have what we need in players, and pre season is over. If our club is looking closely at the other clubs which I guess they will be and if they are settling for being better than one or two so as to save on money and stay up, then they don't meet my expectations. I am no longer a supporter that will follow the club in to the first division (I did the last time) but since then we have become a different club which has had ample opportunity to grow the fan base and continually have failed to do it. That affects you and me. That is not Hibs fault but it is the fault of individuals who are leading and guiding the club. You can't support the club with out supporting those individuals. While the club deserves our support always, those individuals do not,when they are clearly not up to it. This season will show us if they are or are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
Go to any football match, and howls of derision will happen. Hibs are no worse than any other club, but some want to make any excuse other than blame those who are responsible for those howls of derision, and blame the supporters instead?
We'd all like to have a support who got behind the team on match day 100%, and i wish there was no abuse, but we are no different to ANY other teams support.
I have been to watch Blackpool play quite a lot, and their fans are up there with the best in britain at getting behind their club. They have a fantastic atmosphere when going well, but if they are losing its worse than anything i have heard at easter road.
Nish set to end career at hibs. Mark my words....
That's one thing that grinds my back teeth is when so called fans shout abuse at players...I was just about fighting with two brothers in the FF, every week they would slag big Nishy off (no funny comments please) and I mean disgustingly in front of kids too! The thing is the big man probably had his best season that year, he scored a few goals and he set up Fletcher with 5 assists in around a dozen matches .Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
What gets me, it's usually guys that look like they have never kicked a ball in their whole life that slag our players!!
I played semi pro for years and if I had set foot on the ER turf I would have looked utter sh*te, some people don't understand the level these players are playing at and if they are up against say an internationilst playing for Celtic who are at an even higher level, they look out of sorts.
I have always thought (could I have done better) before shouting anything to make the player feel a fool.
I remember away back when Joe Tortolano got dogs abuse EVERY GAME, maybe not the best player but he was trying his hardest - Me and my brother played in a pre-season friendly against him v Hibs and we seen him 3 times - the start, half time and at the end when shaking hands - he was so fast and great with the ball but when he was in front of the supporters he was sh*t scared to try anything as he was abused so much.
We have to support players, not shout obscenities at them!
Rant over...
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Brilliant, when is your show at the Fringe?:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
I thought he didQuote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
Stopped reading at your suggestion that anyone is saying its allright not to do well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
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:fuming:
:no way:
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You know that's quite a weird thing. While I vent my frustration/anger at the people who are ruining sorry mis spelt that, I meant running our club on here I never shout at one player in any derisory way during or after a match. I have shouted at the entire team when it's obvious they are slacking but not individuals. I find that hard to handle during a game when I hear others pick on individuals . I think the worst I've shouted to a player is when I called out to David Wotherspoon that he'd have to be a bit tougher in his tackles only to see him being substitued minutes later because he was carrying an injury. So i felt like sh**.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
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Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
I wouldn't pay for it that's for sure 😄
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Originally Posted by Hamish
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You've selected one sentence out of a multiple sentences. It's only semantics Andy, people are saying that we shouldn't be so vociferous or words to that affect. So the assumption is if they are not vociferous then they think that all is well. It's a pity you didn't read it all because my main points follow that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Ive been in a few arguments/almost fights at ER, when theres some knob picking on a Hibs player, I will get up and shout my support for the player, I did notice around me there were one or two like minded Hibs supporters who also began to shout encouragement out to the player, the guys who normally are swearing and shouting sit down and shutup when outnumbered, maybe its time to organise?
If somebody makes a real total screw up, I can appreciate some abuse of sorts in response, but some of it really is ridiculous.
Best example I remember was I think against Gretna, boy behind me spent the first 60 odd minutes chanting for Alan O'Brien to come on, on he comes to much applause from this guy. First touch of the ball, O'Brien miss hits it, same guy immediately roars 'O'BRIEN! YOU'RE F*****G S***E!'
That kind of things is ridiculous, and can't be good for the squad.
We can all pick out individual pieces of abuse, i thought Colin Nish was an awful player, and witnessed him getting abuse that stopped him in his tracks, he was visibly shaken by it. Its not right, it shouldn't happen, but we shouldn't think we are the worst at this, or it doesn't happen at each and every other ground in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
I think we should do all we can to stop this abuse at the games, it does not help at all.
I think it is getting blown out of proportion, I think and it is IMO most of the shouts from folk not all but most never reach pitch over noise, I think our players will worry about a lot more than some folk shouting yer p1sh.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
I agree though some is uncalled for when it is abount non football our before a ball is kicked but during a match IMO I hear more negative single shouts than positive but as a whole when it is group I hear a lot of positives ie clapping, and if I hear on mass booing then I think that is when players need to look at their performance rather than the support at themselves.