JohnJames take on today's sevco linked cases at the Court of Session.
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JohnJames take on today's sevco linked cases at the Court of Session.
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Except they didn't get in to any trouble for non-disclosure to the governing body? Well, not from the SFA, and as far as HMRC are concerned they didn't disclose these side letters to them, for obvious reasons!Quote:
Originally Posted by Geo_1875
This is the scandal, Bryson was allowed to tell Nimmo Smith that there was no problem with Rangers registrations,and Nimmo Smith was not allowed to comment on the Wee Tax Case, which has never been paid.
Whoever feels safe from punishment, misbehaves. Rangers then and now do what they like, and always have done as they know they're safe from punishment, and LNS proves this.
More lawyers bills and a cancellation fee on the venue? Why thank you very much Mr. Ashley. [emoji3]Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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That is why we can't let up. If we do, the game's a bogey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
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I wish he'd use a different word to "posit".Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Gets on my posits.
It appears to be a popular affectation just now with some bloggers.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
He's sounding more and more like that other blogger, Phil Mac, every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Andy Halliday , who is he ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Massive success in the lower leagues in England - 4 goals in 5 years. Similar pedigree to the boys Wigan donated to the rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
In fairness I think he scored against our B team in the petrofac cup game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
You remember the one. The game where the Warbolution began and Rangers won the treble (according to the Weegie msm)
So that's why he's referred to as a "star"Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
The WCMedia, I like it. Works on a couple of levelsQuote:
Originally Posted by Forever Seven
Until his elevation by the record he was best known as Scott Allan's bestie.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
NB: Scott Allan is a former Rangers loving footballer who appears not to know where the Celtc bus picks up the first team players.
Ah him that guaranteed Allan was signing for sevcoQuote:
Originally Posted by w pilton hibby
The very same. All mouth and little talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Not much headline coverage from the rags on this little snippet from Warby.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/11/11...-players-in-j/
Surely no club is bigger than the Rangers?!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
The big guns in England will have their cheque books open for Tavernier, Waghorn and Holt right enough - not as if they didn't get the chance to sign these stars beforehand. Smacks a bit of a fire sale promotion if true............Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
And what must Halliday be worth? surely someone will want to tempt him back to the scene of his previous "successes"
There is nobody there that could attract the £2.5m they need to keep the lights on.
And they will need a lot more than that if they lose in Charlie Greens legal fees case.
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'It's simple economics', says Warburton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Here's some more simple economics for you, pal. If your outgoings are bigger than your income, sooner or later you are going to need to cut costs.
http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/a-ver...ball-part-two/
Part 2 of James Forrest's excellent story so far.
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That is an excellent read - really puts the SFA and the SPL to shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
A really good read but it shows that Doncaster's and Regan's positions are untenable surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Have been for a long time now. I've heard Petrie defend Doncaster to a friend of mine which is why I worry about the stance our club takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorrie
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Originally Posted by greenginger
It would interesting if Hibs put in a bid for Travernier.
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Doncaster is an employee of the SPFL and Petrie as Professional Game board member, or whatever his title is, is really his employer.
I think Petrie would have to defend Doncaster to an outsider.
Its what Petrie thinks and says to other club chairmen that counts, not that I have a clue what he says.
That's what I'd like to know as well. Hopefully Amit will be allowed to communicate the clubs position after the next board meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Phew.
Better still Wallace one of our own deep down:-)).Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
We do need cover in case Gray gets injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Brazil
You would think so but they are not known as Teflon for nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorrie
And then let him sign for the lesser Greens.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
He did it at the last-but-one AGM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yes, I asked from the floor if the club was happy with the way Doncaster was handling the Rangers fiasco and was shot down with a very short reply along the lines that Doncaster worked incredibly hard for the benefit of Scottish Football and that criticism of him was uncalled for.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Could you imagine the knuckledraggers,think Hibs should give them some of their own medicineQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
On the Hun plan (then) to purposely dump debt\tax
'He (Doncaster) did not share that with the SPFL board'
The 'Brylcreemed-P***k' is just one of a host of 'names' (Murray\Regan\Ogilvie\King etc) that I dearly hope face, at the very least, eventually face criminal-charges when the smoke-screen (that they created) clears - it's becoming more and more evident as each day passes that the folk at the GFA took their duties as seriously as the Hun took paying their bills and taxes - f**ck-all !!
http://thecelticblog.com/2015/11/blo...eptable-charge
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Doncaster may be incompetent, but criminal? ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Deansy
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The other career area in which Warburton worked seems to have people who like to rig things in their favour just like his new club.
He maybe never intended his actions to be criminal but he would not be the first person in history to find that is what has happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
What we need more than anything in all this is the truth. We need a full independent investigation which is open and transparent for all to see.
Plans appear now to be afoot to force a judicial review of the whole affair and I think it can't come soon enough.
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I'd jail him for his hair and annoying facial expression. Granted my views aren't exactly in line with those of the pf office though. More's the pity :grr:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
While the increased communication from the club has been welcome it has not extended to the very important areas like this. That is something that will have to change as the level of fan ownership increases. We now own about 10% of the club and that figure should rise as the popularity of HSL increases. At 20% we have the right to appoint a board member and we already have two fans reps. So far they have only delivered good news stories for the board but it is early days yet and I'm sure they will grow into the role.Quote:
Originally Posted by CentreLine
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If you think that you must believe in fairy tales.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Don't be such a pessimist. [emoji6]Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
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Talks about two things he hates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
"One is being called a liar"
Very next line "I may occasionally get the facts wrong..."
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Once upon a time...:greengrin
That's compatible, is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
You can be mistaken and not be a liar surely?
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Fact would suggest to me something indisputable that at the very least he has misrepresented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Doncaster had nothing to do with our game till he got the job here so I don't think he's risked his neck (or laughably) his 'name' for the Hun because he 'supported them as a boy' !!. It can surely only be die-hard Hun's who DON'T think that money's changed hands in this con and criminal-charges could see what's went through certain people's accounts ?.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Of course it is. I could tell you black was white and even that wouldn't make me a liar - provided I believed what I was telling you was true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Treadstone makes a nonsense point.
Doncaster is a disaster for the Scottish game, Armageddon anyone?
Warburton's sevco story, for downsouth consumption,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...brox-boss.html
" Financial irregularities saw Rangers demoted to the 4th tier of Scottish Football " :rolleyes:
That article headline might as well read:
WARBURTON ISSUES "COME AND GET ME" PLEA TO ALL ENGLISH FOOTBALL CLUBS
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Originally Posted by greenginger
Another twist as the Motherwell-born billionaire heads for the Court of Session ... http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...creditors_pot/
I look forward to the WCM jumping into action to secure his dream move and bullying TRFC into agreeing to release him early from his contract...Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Aye well it is the Daily Mail though. I wouldn't trust them to get the date right at the top of the pageQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
300,000 fans at the UEFA final now.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I'm with BDO and D&P on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan62
Security only exists when there is a debt. Unless I'm missing something, there is no debt here, either to CW or any of his web of associates.
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Originally Posted by Treadstone
Yep , and and more damage to Manchester City Centre than the IRA bombs !
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
The first security and floating charge The rangers F C Group ( Wavetower ) was on 24th March 2012, a few weeks after rangers F C Oldco was put in administration.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...filing-history
I do remember something about Liberty Capital putting up cash at the outset, the Ticketus cash was just used to pay off the Bank overdraft.
But £ 20 million, I don't think so.
For that reason alone, it would be refused.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Looking at the signature, it looks like Craig Whyte or Gary Withey, neither of whom would have any authority at that point.
Or to be accurate. Sevco were admitted to the 4th tier of Scottish football .... there was no Rangers to be demoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
It's fascinating that they keep trying though - presumably at huge expense in terms of legal fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
'I've tapped up the local market', admitted Warburton during his lengthy photo shoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Certainly tapped up a player contracted to Hibs. How did that turn out?
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Yeah, Oldco FC were put into administration but the Rangers F C Group have never been in administration. Could there be anything in the take over documents pledging assets of the Oldco to their new owners , the Holding company ?
These guys are past masters at asset stripping , I think they will have a rabbit to pull out of the hat. I also see in the Standard security forms , that English Law shall be used in any disputes.
Hmmm, I'm still unconvinced.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I also note the name of one Richard Spurway in all of this. Years ago, I had dealings with a Henry Spurway, and I'm wondering if they are related.
Thinking back, Whyte and his associates thought they were getting the Club back through Sevco 5088 until Mr Green employed the switch to Sevco Scotland.
This security claim might be a last desperate gambit rather than a planned course of action.
Henry Spurway, of Easibet Bookmakers ?
The other Spurway is a Richard James Spurway born 1954
The very same. Pal of John Gibson, and a wannabe impresario.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Steve Clarke now 1/10 favourite to take over at Fulham. Reading vacancy coming up... respectfully, they'll definitely want either a proven City Trader or to capture the signature of a world class manager...
Considering I read this about 6:30 this morning, I'm not surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by steakbake
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34866335
That internet - it moves so fast... like that time Scott Brown was about to be the latest signing at Rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Fleece
Anyway, there's a vacancy coming up at Reading. Had a look at their forum and Warburton's not on the radar of most of their fans. You could say, he's off the radar - which is the Rangers Way, of course.
Someone suggested him and the more or less collective response was "who?"... A real impact.
Stubbs is 20/1 for Reading - wonder if that's enough to make him "tipped to take over" for the Record's journalists ahead of any games we have coming up?
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/...r-manager-odds
Warby still getting a mention in the QPR betting.
But Reading, now that's not too far from the city Trader's home base of Potters Bar. :greengrin
A dream move to the biscuitmen.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Where's Caversham Green these days ? he was a Reading attender.
Get the demand for warby moving.
Sources will suggest that Waghorn and Tavernier will be traveling down with him.
A dream move...Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/personal-not-business/
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No chance - Brentford got decent results but they played a nasty version of football. Not something I want to watch every week. I'm hearing he is in the frame though, along with Pearson and Sherwood.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I have an inkling (based on nothing whatsoever) about Martin Keown - his boy's on the books and I believe he has some other connections at the club.
Frankly unreadable tosh, with a full house for buzzword bingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I did manage to read it but you are correct, it has nothing to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
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So you never clicked the donate button at the bottom?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
Perhaps so, but it made me lol. The more bad things that happen to Sevco the better. Anyone got any idea when Green v Newco may be decided ? Judge taking it under consideration I believe but what is the usual timescale on the things ?
The journo's at the trial thought around two weeks but they were not that sure. Given its not exactly the Chilcott enquiry I would expect something in the next week or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by southsider
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Agreed. First one of his I have bothered to read for a while. I have very low expectations and I was not to be surprised by this latest load of absolute garbage from a complete tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
"Stenographers"? FFS!
Away and get a real job Phil, you absolute waste of space.
Cheers. The updates were great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
What's a 'real' job in 2015?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyM_1875
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No matter the credentials, vocabulary, or the allegiances of the various contributors it is a fascinating story of intrigue and fancy footwork.
Every time one issue is 'resolved' the law of unintended consequences come into play and the whole mess just gets bigger.
It is all going to go pop one day but the question is, which brick is going to bring the whole edifice tumbling down?
I won't put the popcorn down yet, lots of entertainment left in this saga. However, just like the film Titanic, there is an inevitability about how it is all going to end...........
Phil has overplayed his 'source' to Mike Ashley. It would be a massive surprise if this famously inscrutable billionaire was somehow letting a random Celtc blogger in on his plans. And I very much doubt any of Ashley's inner circle would leak this kind of info. Ashley does not like journalists. Even wannabe journalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Treadstone
Worthy cause though he is, I somehow resisted. I must have a heart of stone.
That's a fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Never begrudge a man trying to earn a living. I just don't quite think his sources are as bona fide as he implies.
Strangely, John James now uses near-identical phrasing to imply he's inside the story.
I think it's all just speculation from interested observers, with the occasional genuine scoop.
Well it's certainly not running a blog based on half baked theories, non existent sources and top drawer drivel sourced from agenda peddling loonies in Celtc pubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The occasional genuine scoop bit is what's important. Phil has had more genuine scoops on this story so far than any other journalist. His blog does get padded out with articles like today's but you should be able to see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomoseven
His writing style is horrendous but I can ignore that as well and get what I need to get from him.
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I agree with this. Yes, he does have the occasional post which is just talking in riddles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think his comments about 'stenographers' is accurate: a stenographer simply transcribes what they hear and are told - the Record and others simply redistribute content. Journalism (the gathering, processing and dissemination of news and information) is not what we see. Phil and others often point out glaringly obvious questions that Scottish Sports journalists seem either disinclined or oblivious to ask.
As a journalist, I rate Alex Thomson. When the EBT ruling came out, his view was that Phil had been vindicated.
You may not like his style and some of the pieces are a bit pointless. He might be off target sometimes. You may not like his politics, if that's someone's beef with the man. But on the Rangers situation, time and again, his perspective has been proved consistently right or at the very least charitable, it's been in the right direction.
johnjamessite I only read occasionally and like Phil, his style can sometimes be grating - the continual overuse of the word "posit", for example. I think he's relatively new so have no idea whether he makes educated guesses or simply rewrites rumours he reads elsewhere. theclumpany blog is, I think, the most entertaining and readable out there at the moment that I've seen. Pulling apart the standard puff piece articles from the Evening Times, Herald and other sources, mixed in with a bit of irreverent humour. He also has a thing about 'journalists' who do little more than Level5 PR's bidding and drop adverts for Rangers season books and other products dressed up as news.
It's a bit rich for journos to blast bloggers for 'having an agenda', when in many cases, there are blatant signs that journos have the biggest agenda of all. At least when you read a blogger, they are unlikely to conceal their agenda rather than a journo who tries to present their opinion/their instructions as facts.
In short, journos use mealy (and inaccurate) words like "demoted", "punished". Bloggers use the word "admitted", "re-entered the leagues" and "restarted life in the 3rd division".
LADY WOLFFE – R Martin, Clerk
Tuesday 24th November
By Order
P989/15 Pet: Michael Ashley for Judicial Review – Brodies LLP – Burness Paull LLP
P1039/15 Pet: Mash Holdings Ltd for Judicial Review – Brodies LLP – Anderson Strathern LLP Burness Paull LLP
Not sure what the above is in relation to as he already has a date for his judicial review of the SFA decision on KING for Fit & Proper of Feb next year so this could be something new altogether.
Lets hope so.
It's alright for Mike, he can afford the lawyers.
good to see MA taking anyone connected to The Rangers to court especially if The Rangers have to pay for it. It's his new ploy to make sure that there is no money left in the pot when he decides to go in for the kill or to actually buy them lock stock and barrel.
I wonder if there will be some out of court settlement with SFA so that he will be allowed to own more than his 9%. Make no mistake these tw@ts in the SFA would sell their mother if they thought it would benefit The Rangers. Or themselves.
If it does go to court how many questions will be answered with very very naughty or illegal answers.
Either way not bothered but if it's taking money from them that they don't have could and should be a God send., problem is long term if he gets in and owns them outright.
GGTTH
Re the Daily Mail "interview".I'm intrigued that Warburton was won over by the video of the Rangers choir at an OF match that his son showed him.Leaving aside the viewing habits in the Warburton household did he really understand what he was watching-if so jeez.
Won over by sectarian bile ?! Spose so...Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
Did Henry not want to go double or quits on the bill?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Can't be, we are constantly told their songs are not sectarian, and only sung by a minority?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinMike
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Originally Posted by Killiehibbie
That would be with his two headed coin.