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every england player has thanked Beaumont for making the draw 20 years ago :greengrin
Or Curling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Not a thrilling match tonight but a good contest for a third place play-off.
Defo, probably less are at the top of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancs Harp
Argentina, Samoa, Chile, Fiji and Japan are the teams England beat to finish 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancs Harp
Yeah, big well done them.
Came up against South Africa, did well but couldn’t last the pace after playing a bunch of tier 2 sides?
Come in, you’re kidding yourselves if this is anything other than a missed opportunity.
They are mince. Lucked on a sham of a draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
They'll be back to getting pumped in the 6 nations.
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FT's
Connaught 34 Glasgow 26
Edinburgh 17 Lions 16
try for home debut boy Ashman, Edinburgh were under the cosh a tad for 25 mins in the 2nd half
Edinburgh & Glasgow sitting 3rd and 4th, only two games played right enough :greengrin
All Black yellow card in 3rd minute.
this could go Red
SA now without their only specialist Hooker
It’s probably been said 1000 times before but VAR is excellently used in Rugby and why football doesn’t try and use it in the same way is mental
remains a yellow
what a pressure NZ have been under
at least they will finally get in the SA twenty two now
0-3
NZ kicking for touch with the penalty, i like to see that
only the bounce of the ball stopped a NZ try
3-6
The match can start now.
6-3 South Africa
SA not quite as adventurous with the penalty but 3-9
Will Jordan been quite anonymous so far, I'm sure he'll have a part to play though.
that NZ line out is not doing the business
oh dear another NZ sin bin, maybe a red this one
NZ down to 14
and with that i think SA will win now
game oor
3-12
That'll be that then. 🤬
Red card ? Really? I don't think so,shouldn't different statures and split second decision making/ reaction time be taken into account?
We're not far away from rugby becoming a non contact sport. 🙄
yas NZ try
aw naw knocked on
well noticed TMO though
Knock on, still All Black ball.
that one counts though
poor con attempt
11-12
i'm knackered watching this
The intensity is amazing, great viewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Yellow card for SA.
14 v 14 for last 8 minutes.
NZ miss the penalty.
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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY
:agree: i think NZ have been the better side the 2nd half a man down, credit to them for making a game of it
energy sapping stuff
feel for them, playing so long a man down
Not a victory for rugby.
Fantastic stuff. The tension was unbelievable. SA just managed to keep NZ pegged back in the last stages when they looked like winning at one point.
They missed two vital place kicks also.
High intensity stuff but very little open play. I started off supporting the Boks but ended up feeling sorry for the All Blacks.
As clear a red card as you’ll see. He made no attempt to get low and was upright in the tackle. Being bigger doesn’t excuse you from getting yourself into a proper tackling position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Bear
Players need to learn to tackle properly and not always try to go for the dominant tackle. They used to teach us to tackle low, even big players can get low if they want to.
As for the “We're not far away from rugby becoming a non contact sport.” Don’t be ridiculous, protecting players heads from injury and trying to get players to tackle properly like they used to is not taking away contact, it’s just being sensible.
High tackling is aimed at preventing a player passing the ball after being tackled. When I played (decades ago) passing from the ground after being tackled was not allowed. Perhaps reversing some rule changes could be a contribution to making contacts safer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio sledge
Aye, a poor advert. An Ireland v France final would have been a far better watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
A couple of things I'd advocate for change to speed up play and to benefit the attacking team.
1. At a ruck, once the ball is visible and playable, the ref should give the "use it" call. Thereafter no-one else should be permitted to join/elongate the ruck, and the "use it" time should be dropped to three seconds from five.
2. When playing a "penalty advantage" if the defending team commits another penalty it should be an automatic yellow card for the offender. I hate it when a penalty advantage is stopped by the defending team going offside or over the ball.
It's never going to happen but I'd also prohibit lifting in the line-out. Love these old school clips on You Tube when forwards actually had to jump for the ball.
The SA player turned into him, he had zero chance to get low, his natural reaction was to wrap the arms around the player, he never led with the shoulder or never attempted to not wrap his arms, he was very unlucky but the rules are the rules, even though in this case it was wrong and a yellow was enough IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergio sledge
I don't pay much attention to the rules so, this might already have happened but, if they are trying to look after the players its time to stop that shove from the attacking team players that fires runners into the other team. How are you meant to know where he is going after being propelled into you?
I've just watched the whole match again on YouTube with a mixed Africaans/English commentary. Hard to follow but a deal more passionate than the ITV version.
The whole thing hinged really on the two conversions NZ missed. The one try they scored was arguably a forward pass but the man upstairs didn't check it out.
Glasgow go 2nd in the table with a win over table-toppers Stormers 20-9
can't see Edinburgh getting anything at Leinster this afternoon
36-27
Currently on holiday in South Africa and saw on TV the open top bus going through SOWETO. Was brilliant to see the happy faces of men, women and children all waving and running alongside. It's going through Durban this morning and would have been nice to see it, but we're heading in the other direction. Everywhere you go there are references to Bokke! Just shows the power of sport!
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Wayne Barnes: Rugby World Cup final referee on social media abuse he and family faced - BBC Sport
His wife, Polly, previously said Barnes received death threats
after the match."When people make threats against your wife and kids, they should be held to account and punished," Barnes said.
the sooner the bawbags that dish out threats online for any sport are hammered by the courts the better
Ali Price joins Edinburgh on loan from Glasgow
'national interests' one of the reasons, makes sense
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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Seen a few comments online from Glasgow fans feeling a bit hacked off, saying the SRU are always more focussed on Edinburgh and there’s rarely players sent from Edinburgh to Glasgow, but several the other way
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Originally Posted by McD
tough :greengrin
anyway
i thought Edinburgh had really blown it there against Connaught with it heading for a draw in the last few minutes, done well to get it up the other end then a nice drop goal from the line-out to win it 25-22
ben healy had a pretty good game apart from the two missed conversion attempts
Glasgow winning 31-23 at Ospreys earlier
I don't understand why we went to the drop goal. Team were playing with advantage, and a try would have been a BP!
A good win against a decent Connacht side, but we were very wasteful. First time I've seen Healy miss!
That is what i thought. Surely you try and get bonus point knowing you have the pen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
Mmm wonder if this had anything to do with Hogg retiring so early, maybe he was concentrating on someth, erm someone else
goes public with his new squeeze just days after his wife gives birth to their 4th kid, then he refuses to leave the house
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entert...hoggs-31451114
Classy stuff. Did seem strange his retirement to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Very scrappy performance so far from Edinburgh
On the box it looks like a good sized crowd. It's difficult to predict a winner, nothing in it so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloop67
The more times I see that hit on Schoeman the worse it looks, this should be a red card
i think van der Merwe was a tad lucky not to lose control for that try :greengrin
Edinburgh really shouldn't lose this one now against 14(when the boy returns) 21-13
Glasgow fans will be even more unhappy now with Ali Price going to Edinburgh after Duncan Weir was banned for 3 games(two if he does a course)
Edinburgh in control now 28-13 , surely should be able to see this out
28-20
Maybe not , sloppy play from Edinburgh lets the Bulls in 28-20 , 13 minutes to goQuote:
Originally Posted by Sloop67
Edinburgh trying to throw this away
Bill Mata a bit lucky not to see red there , another referee may have seen the tackle differently
Good win for Edinburgh 31-23
Great win for us, and first BP. This, and Connacht last week, were games we would have lost last season.
A less than stellar performance from Healy off the tee tonight, but his command of the players around him is exceptional.
Conor Boyle deservedly player of the match.
Be interesting to see what happens with this Ali Price experiment now - looked good for Edinburgh last night when he came on, but with the injury to Dobie for the Warriors, I do wonder if he'll be recalled. Edinburgh have depth with Shiel, Velacott and Steele (though currently injured). Glasgow now pretty much just have Horne?
Bennetton making a game of this so far. 14- 9 to Glasgow at halftime
Glasgow move up to 2nd winning 26-12
Edinburgh 5th
i see Alun Wyn Jones went off after 66 mins to a standing ovation for Toulon earlier in his last appearance playing, applauded off by both sides in a 30-27 win at Clermont, most capped player ever in a 19 year career.
final world rankings for 2023 ZealandSpringboks on world rankings summit as final top 20 confirmed for 2023 (msn.com) 89.80
4 France 87.81
5 England 85.46
6 Scotland 83.43
7 Argentina 80.68
8 Wales 80.64
9 Australia 77.48
10 Fiji 76.38
11 Italy 75.93
12 Japan 74.27
13 Portugal 72.78
14 Georgia 72.68
15 Samoa 72.23
16 Tonga 71.57
17 (18) USA 67.94
18 (17) Uruguay 67.39
19 (20) Romania 63.28
20 (19) Spain 62.86
Blair Kinghorn set to leave Edinburgh for Toulose
Very poor performance from Edinburgh tonight.
49250 watching Leinster v Munster tonight. It all helps to pay their high wages and goes some way to explain why the Irish teams are so successful. Munster 10-0 up after 15mins.
Glasgow fighting back well though their decision making on the pitch is questionable
Warriors win 33-20 against Ulster. A gritty victory if ever there was at what looked like a packed out Scotstoun.
looked like Glasgow were in for a right hammering after just 12 mins and 14 points down, great comeback and nice seeing them sit top at least until next weekend anyway
i didn't realise Ulster had signed Kitshoff
they're in for a heck of a toughie though next friday at Munster and i doubt Edinburgh will get anything in Ulster the following day
Edinburgh win 24-27 but my what a mess at the end allowing Ulster to get the bonus points, a line-out with just 10 seconds remaining and all they have to do is secure and kick it out, instead Mcburny tosses it squint giving it to Ulster instead, Ulster then get another Try. Edinburgh leading 27-12 on 73 mins and they let in two tries + a con.
Munster 40 Glasgow 29 from last night
oh my Connaught just done the exact same at home to Leinster, leading at Home 22-19 with just seconds remaining and they throw a squint line-out which Leinster then go on and score a winning try to win 24-22
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/67626162
Hmmmm....no doubt there are issues to be addressed, some of which are generic game issues rather than SRU issues, but this white knight aura from the new Chair sounds a bit ingratiating and whiffy. Reminds me of the start of the Munro/McKie era, and their spoutings about how they were going to "drive a train through this place", basically telling all involved you've been ***** and we're here to sort your mess.
Someone close to Edinburgh Rugby told me the club is far from secure as an ongoing concern. The dearth of cash in the game here seems to be a major factor, although surely the SRU makes a hefty amount from the Murrayfield internationals which are always very well attended these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeard
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Originally Posted by He's here!
Reading that article, it says the SRU posted a 10 million loss for this year
Club rugby in Scotland is ****ed. Dodson will wander off into the sunset with a huge pension on top of his huge salary because he had a set of KPIs that didn't even touch on club rugby. Fill Murrayfield, reducw the iverall debt, have Scotland competing in six nations. That's it. To hell with the grass roots clubs who have kept Scottish rugby going for years. There are traditionally big clubs who can't even get a 2nd XV out regularly on a Saturday anymore but very little effort has gone into sorting that out. In my area at age groups we had Alloa, Hillfoots, Bannockburn, Grangemouth and Falkirk who could all field U 13, 14, 16 and 18s until fairly recently. Then some started to struggle. So the wisdom was to create one team out of 5 clubs and call them the Kelpies and based in Falkirk. That was the easy and cheap option rather than trying to help those five clubs grow their youth set up. So we lost five sets of teams and gained one. Guess what now the Kelpies can't get teams out as there is no identity and the kids that do want to play want to play for their local teams. Shambles and the upper echelons of the SRU are a joke
The pro teams each cost in excess of 10m per year to run. They both have over 100 Pro players, many of whom dont play regularly and are basically cover for injuries or when guys are away on international duty. Again a badly managed set up from the start as is the super six.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
On top of which this current financial year has the hugely significant hit of there being no Autumn Tests in RWC year. The warm up game income will fall well short of what has become pretty close to three sell-out crowds.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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Originally Posted by Greenbeard
Yeah that’s a good point. The article also points out that the previous year had 3 home 6 nations matches, plus a number of high profile concerts. Doesn’t look great if that’s all happened and still a 10 million loss, and as you say, in a tougher year just now
I think you mean competitive. Scotland are competing in the 6 Nations regardless of how good or crap they are, but that's another argument entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
He'll no doubt gladly take some credit for Scotland being more competitive these days but that is absolutely hee-haw to do with Dodson.
Did they not just build the Hive i think it is called. Assume that would have been expensiveQuote:
Originally Posted by McD
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Originally Posted by JimBHibees
There a poster on here who goes regularly to Edinburgh matches, I thought it was built a couple of years ago, although could be wrong on that, and also they could still be paying for it
You might mean me? I'm a ST holder.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
They built mini-Murray about 3 years ago now (this is our third season playing in it). It's a bit of a 'low-cost' facility, but not entirely inexpensive - can't remember the exact cost though.
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Originally Posted by Sylar
Yeah probably was meaning you mate :aok:
On the wider point, the SRU seem to have been struggling financially for quite a few years now, not really sure how they can get better at bringing in more income, there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of sponsorship opportunities out there for them, is there anything else they can make use of Murrayfield to generate more income? Dunno
I don't know the exact situation but from the many moans I hear, the financial problems seem to be exacerbated due to the extravagant salaries which are paid to the top executives.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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Originally Posted by Golden Bear
Would any of us be surprised if that is the case…
They're hyping up the match between Edinburgh and Glasgow, calling it the oldest derby in rugby. Have I missed something here?
It is, isn’t it? At least the oldest inter district fixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
Correct - hence the trophy for the winners being named as the 1872 cup. It's awarded to the victor on aggregate points - normally over the two designated games. After last night's 22-10 win over Edinburgh, Glasgow Warriors go in to next Saturday's second leg at Murrayfield with a 12 point advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
I see Stuart Hogg has been awarded an MBE. I'm sure Mrs Hogg will be delighted for him.
What does MBE stand for again?
Over 37000 at murrayfield today for the second leg of the inter City Cup between Edinburgh Rugby and Glasgow Warriors.
That's an impressive crowd.
Member of the order of the British Empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeard
I assume its for services to rugby and not to do with his personal life?
Well done to Hogg. He was a top player and his personal life is nothing to do with, and of no interest to me.
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JPR Williams has passed away. A real rugby icon from my childhood.
A man about whom the word ‘Legend’ is wholly appropriatelyQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Fantastic player and magnificent sideburns. Pretty sure he was a doctor. RIPQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
An incredible player in his day. One of the very very best.
Yes was definitely a Dr too. Used to get told about how good he was when I was a kid.
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Originally Posted by JimBHibees
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Originally Posted by nellio
An orthopaedic surgeon. Also continued to play rugby for his local club for a long time after retiring
He also won the British Junior Tennis Championships and could have turned pro but his dad was an amateur sports aficionado and told him being a professional sportsman wasn't a proper job.Quote:
Originally Posted by McD
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Originally Posted by He's here!
Yep, a very talented man
RL fan here. Watched last 5 mins of Exeter v Glasgow on ITV other day.
Big call made at the end of the game? I'm not sure about scrums but for me the player made an error and Glasgow scored. Feels like video ref and the actual ref was desperate to check absolutely everything to find an issue to disallow the try.
Grant Gilchrist suspended for the Six Nations opener in Wales for picking up two yellow cards in the one game for Edinburgh, missed the last two games in last seasons Six nations also due to suspension.
Seems odd he should miss an international game for two yellows in domestic game appreciate would be different if straight red for violent conductQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
In rugby it is just banned from playing. Regardless if the competition. I remember when a sending off meant that you weren't even allowed to train or enter your clubhouse. I m that old!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees