:agree: It's the Hibs.net way.Quote:
Originally Posted by IFONLY
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:agree: It's the Hibs.net way.Quote:
Originally Posted by IFONLY
Nothing new their then , same as last season with Sandaza and Sheridan who scored more against the yams than our whole team togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by CRAZYHIBBY
There are more "red herrings" on here than in a Murder Mystery when it comes to who we are/were after.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyboy
Maybury is perhaps an experienced head, and a model pro which would be beneficial for the dressing room, but squad wise he wouldnt really be needed other than a backup RB, in which you cant really justfiy a top wage.
LB: Booth, Kujabi, Hanlon & Smith
RB: Clancy, Wotherspoon?
Calm down, only asked the question as it had been mentioned ffsQuote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Apologies mate your right, I did come across as a tube but no offence meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewis_1875
Just frustrated at the lack of signings or at least reasonable rumours, like everyone else I'd imagine.
Ggtth
Always worth chucking that in anyway eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRAZYHIBBY
No problem mate :aok:, me likewiseQuote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Did we ask him to take the Megabus up from London, but St johnstone paid for his flights? Petrie!!!:grr:Quote:
Originally Posted by CRAZYHIBBY
More than Stonehaven Fish MarketQuote:
Originally Posted by IFONLY
well just make a few up then..the clue is in the title...other wise it would be the 'Signing for definite fact ENDOF' threadQuote:
Originally Posted by SMAXXA
Dundee are probably paying more...Quote:
Originally Posted by too_many_djs
I would have signed Maybury for that reason alone. Also, in the game I saw him play for us he looked like exactly what we need at full back ie somebody who actually knows what they need to do in that position and are comfortable doing it. I just hope we are aiming higher. However, I have an awful feeling that the other SPL clubs are now back in the game financially and so it's going to be same old same old for us when it comes to signing players. Do we NEVER learn?Quote:
Originally Posted by West Upper Pie
boringQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
Came from the horses mouth.....my cousin is a saints fan and he was getting his autograph and started talking about what teams he knows in the splQuote:
Originally Posted by IFONLY
It was reported on Radio Tay yest morning that new Huns tried to sign Vine. I guess that some clubs probably put a call into his agent after he scored a couple of goals in a friendly against Bristol City on Saturday, but he had already committed to sign for Saints.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRAZYHIBBY
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Originally Posted by CRAZYHIBBY
Sorry no , your cousin told you , thats not the horses mouth
We should remember that 'outbid' often means 'paid more than we were prepared to pay' rather than a factual statement 'they pay their players more than we do'. If PF is working within an overall budget, presumably each player he goes for is worth, to him, a certain percentage of the overall budget, depending on how much we need him & how much he'll bring to the squad.
From yesterday's BBC football rumours
"Rangers have offered a contract to Craig Beattie but the former Celtic striker is weighing up a more lucrative offer from Notts County. (Daily Express) "
I recognise that there might be things that apply specifically to individual players and how much clubs want them. However, in general terms, if the Maybury and Vine stories are true, we are being outbid by other SPL clubs. They in turn are being outbid by New Huns. New Huns are being outbid by English League 1 sides. So what does that say about the kind of money/contracts we are offering?
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Originally Posted by Steve-O
They do have a recent history of excellent financial management
Why Motherwell , StJohnstone , Aberdeen , Hearts , Dunfermline and StMirren have all out bid us in the pastQuote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
For whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
If Maybury goes to Dundee I'd imagine it would be to do with him getting a regular starting place? As they surely cant offer more money than us!
According to bbc gossip website dundee and st johnstone are in a tug of war for the signing of forsyth never mentioned a thing about hibs :(
Despite the maxim, 'cash is king' , I'm not convinced that all this 'outbidding' is money ridden. I think these guys obviously look at the cash comparisons but, unless there is a significant difference, they look at the football quality and prospects of the teams and act accordingly. Unfortunately, II think it speaks volumes for our present reputation.
I'm sure the club will have some ready made excuses for this scenario.
Seriously, how ****ing embarassing is it to be outbid by teams with a lower budget than us? The "we don't have funds" rule does not apply when teams like St Johnstone, Aberdeen and potentially Dundee are spending money we don't claim to have and finishing above us. Change the record Hibs.
You havent seen my cousin.......looks like an ugly mr edQuote:
Originally Posted by IFONLY
We didn't want to increase our offer to match a player who's career is winding downs demands. Calm down about being outbid. Let's see who we target from now on.
As this is a rumours thread I just had a look at Pravda aka Football Rumours. Easy seen its the school holidays. Names currently being spraffed about -
Kevin Kyle - ''will sign Friday''
Steven Thompson - ''will sign' 'St Mirren can't afford the last year of his contract'
David Van Zanten and Alan Combe
Stefan Mairhofer - Austrian internationalist
along with Maybury and Kerr there is a long conversation about whether Jason Scotland played as a triaist at Selkirk:greengrin
Motherwell , Hamell , StJohnstone , Sandaza and Sheridan , Aberdeen Hayes and Kane , Hearts , where do i start , Dunfermline , Brewster and Crawford , StMirren Thompson and GoodwinQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucius Apuleius
There is four players on that list which signed for the clubs due to other reasons. Hammell is a Motherwell man, same for Thompson and St Mirren. Goodwin signed on for saints again as he is the club captain and gets on extremely well with Danny Lennon, who he wanted to stay with and not turn his back on. Hayes went to Aberdeen due to his girlfriend.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
are people seriously getting stressed out because st johnstone are willing to offer an unfit striker with a poor goalscoring record at championship and league 1, more money than we are?
And do people honestly think that motherwell, dunfermline, aberdeen, st mirren, st johnstone have higher player budgets than us? do you think any of them could have afforded miller or stokes? or even GoC for that matter?
[QUOTE=M17;3310975]There is four players on that list which signed for the clubs due to other reasons. Hammell is a Motherwell man, same for Thompson and St Mirren. Goodwin signed on for saints again as he is the club captain and gets on extremely well with Danny Lennon, who he wanted to stay with and not turn his back on. Hayes went to Aberdeen due to his girlfriend.[/QUOTE . Seems like all their minds were made up before they ALL waisted Hibs their agent and their own time and money talking . We were out bidded for all these players , fact
Start wherever you like, how many of these players did we actually bid for?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
[QUOTE=hibees 7062;3310983]Ah, I am so sorry, I never saw that bit. OK then, I bow to your superior inside knowledge and apologise unreservedly. Having said that I think the rules are that is has to be FACT!!! before it actually counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by M17
Hibs spoke to all these players , they went elsewhere for more moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lucius Apuleius
QUOTE . Seems like all their minds were made up before they ALL waisted Hibs their agent and their own time and money talking . We were out bidded for all these players , fact[/QUOTE]
Also, I dont think we were even interested in Sandaza when he signed for saints. The four players I mentioned all signed for the clubs for other reasons outside money, therefore we werent out bidded. We were able to blow Well out the water when we signed Clancy, surely we would've been able to do the same with Hammell?
Hmmmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
At the end of the day we are being linked with every player out of contract. Lazy journalism or whatever you want to call it. Just cos other teams have signed players doesn't mean we've been in for them.
However I am really hoping we announce something (not expecting anything) before Sunday which will give us all a wee boost.
Remember not many folk knew bout Williams and there were apparent doubt bout McPake. I am sure PF and LOB are doing their upmost to get the Right players in.
Don't go telling folk we offered higher wages than another SPL team for a player we wanted, how would that suit the agenda!Quote:
Originally Posted by M17
This outbid stuff is nonsense, yes money is a factor but like any business you decide on the players merits as to what they are worth. If another team sees a player as an integral part of their season then they might well offer more. Maybury would be first pick at Dens I imagine, while he might have been told he isn't guaranteed a first team berth with us.
How would folk feel if we didn't get Maybury but Mark Wilson was the target?
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Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Also, I dont think we were even interested in Sandaza when he signed for saints. The four players I mentioned all signed for the clubs for other reasons outside money, therefore we werent out bidded. We were able to blow Well out the water when we signed Clancy, surely we would've been able to do the same with Hammell?[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by M17
Sandaza and Sheridan were done deals stjohnstone offered Sandaza £500 a week more and Sheridan £200 a week more . As for footballers going elsewhere for anything other than money Deano and Black must get on well with Mcoist eh
I would prefer WilsonQuote:
Originally Posted by mchibee
Wilson would be an outstanding addition IMHO however are you answering a question with a question or do you or gave you heard something??Quote:
Originally Posted by mchibee
That is all nonsense. Sandaza was up in court a few months ago (drink driving) and his salary was revealed as £1,000 p/w. Really to believe Hibs only offered him £500? Really? No other SPL clubs were interested in him last summer. Torquay were in England though.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Sheridan WANTED to go to St Johnstone and gave up a percentage of this wage as Sofia to seal that deal. Hibs would have been paying him/Sofia more but he wanted to go back to St Johnstone where he liked it and his friend Jody Morris was. That came from Derek McInnes at a St Johnstone fans meeting at the Barrosa Street club in Perth.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by fergy
I don’t think we should fall into the trap of thinking, just because a particular player may have been offered more money from another club than we were willing to offer, that we somehow shot ourselves in the foot.
It's beyond doubt that we have a bigger budget than the clubs listed above and part (but not all) of the reason for this is that we, as a club, don't go spraying money up against the toilet wall on contracts. It is true however that we might not have always picked the best players to spend that money on but, like it or loath it, we only pay what we think they are worth. Of course, there is also the added factor of the managers judgement on who to pass on and who to try and sign but, so far this season at least, I personally have not really seen any players that may have slipped through the net that I would have been overly fussed about either way – and a lot of this “who did we miss out on?” and “who out-bid us?”, etc. is just rumour anyway.
Right, so basically I've to believe that you personally spoke to these players who revealed both their weekly wage and how much more it was than what Hibs offered? Dont think I'll be alone in taking it with a massive heap of salt. Out of the players you mentioned, the four I spoke about did move to these clubs for other reasons. Black and Shiels of course moved for the money, but you werent talking about them at first were you?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Mark Wilson would be a cracking signing however he's been on trial with Bristol City this past week on their tour of Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by mchibee
all the best FACTUAL rumours must be on the pm board
I had heard it from a Hoop last week, apparently the reason we were stalling is because we had a preferred choice. Now whether he was saying that to watch me get excited by someone they released on a free for a laugh, I don't know. But he did seem convinced that we were just stringing Maybury along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
I hope he is right as I think he would be an excellent addition.(this is when someonme comes along and says "he's signed for Fleetwood Town or something!"
Rowan Vine in his interview when signing for St Johnstone said he'd been training on his own all summer just waiting for a call from a club willing to give him a chance. St Johnstone did that last week when they invited him up to train.
Not sure why fans are so eager for these stories that reflect badly on Hibs. It seems pretty clear if the club did show any interest, it was after he scored two goals on Saturday and by that time he had probably made up his mind to sign for Saints. He certainly hinted at that when the Rangers interest was mentioned. He said he had been made to feel welcome in Perth and wasn't going to tout himself about. If Hibs did contact his agent, I bet Vine never even spoke to the club, so how did he turn Hibs down?
Negative for the sake of being negative some posters.
Wilson is the sort of signing I'd like to see us making - although wouldn't mind Maybury as a squad player.
Has Craig Beattie signed for The Rangers FC - as he is another player who I'd take in a flash.
Never was a truer word spoken...:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by mchibee
Potential "Trumpet of The Week Award" stuff here.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
I think those 2 lists show how desperately poor scottish football is at the moment.Aberdeen have lost 9 players 5 of whom were first picks and replaced them with 3 players of whom only mcginn and hayes will probably make their mark.We have lost 12(i dont include scott or welsh as they didnt make the team at all) and have replaced them with 4 good signings and cairney who we will have to see how he develops.So we have a net loss of 7 players and aberdeen 6.Beats me why anybody is tipping the dons to do well as they were as bad as us last season.The only reason hibs or aberdeen will do well is if other teams have gone backwards which in hertz and wells case they have.i doubt though they have gone backwards enough to see us finishing near them never mind above them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007 Mickey Weir
Im not usually a we are doomed merchant but unless we sign at least 3 seasoned pros very soon then we will struggle to get near 6th.The loss of those players must have drastically reduced the wage bill and surely we can sign at least 3 decent players.If not all the chairmans pleas(which is happening at every club) will be a waste of time and we will all be moaning our heads of at the team.I hope im wrong and we get off to a flier but cant see that happening.Can anybody see us flying at the start.
ExplainQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
what happened to the four signings this week !!!!!!!
not that im impatient or anything.
Probably "Trumpet of the Month" and it's only the 2nd with a reasonable chance of "Trumpet of the Season" and it's only August.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I think there is possibility of Trumpet of the Decade coming too. At least a very good nomination.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Hmmm i was at court 2 weeks ago and told them i was on £200 per week . Do you honestly think he was on £1000 a week ? So Sheridan just fancied playing against East Fife cause he never had anything better to do that day knowing all the time he wanted to go to saints .:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeson
Explain thenQuote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
You do realise that the court can request from your employers evidence of your salary or ask to see your most recent wage slips?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
FACT - been there.
Unbelievable. We are losing out to ****ing dundee on player!. Same old *****Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
OK, I don't believe you spoke to all the players you claim and furthermore they all willingly gave you their salaries and what they were offered from elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
I know a couple of the players you mentioned and it's simply not their style.
However Scoopyboy is a reasonable man and if you PM me with your name I will find out if you did or not.
If you have I will come back on here and apologise.
Of course you can always tell us up front right now.
"Apparently Maybury has been told no" :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Firstly please refrain from treating me like a dafty . Secondly i said Hibs spoke to these players and not meQuote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Yes of course but dont you think that will be his net payQuote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
It's plainQuote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
First point, I think you are a dafty.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Second point you never said Hibs spoke to these players, if you check back your post it said "spoke to these players".
Yes, I would agree that the net wage would be quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
I was more meaning it would have been a dangerous game to tell the court lies regarding income.
Hibs were not outbid on Sheridan.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
Hibs walked away from the deal due to payments requested by one of the parties in the negotiations.
FACT!!
*pours another whisky*
:greengrin
Your right ive sorted it and i am so sorry , but to call me a dafty when you dont even know me is a bit much no ?Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
gets popcorn out
Fine you believe that thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
...and a trumpet, get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
A dafty and a trumpet.
I don't think it's anything to do with who you are but it's everything to do with what you are saying.
Argumentative trumpet.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibees 7062
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Please cut out the personal stuff, thanks.
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Originally Posted by hibees 7062
no
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Originally Posted by horseflesh
Was his parent club not wanting certain payments made outwith his salary ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Back to the topic at hand, Fenlon wanted 4 new players in by the end of the week. Does anyone have any idea who they are? I've seen Forsyth being mentioned?
Where did you read that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Salt & Sauzee
I've only seen people talking about it on .net, I was just wondering if there were any other potential names to add and if anyone actually has any inside infoQuote:
Originally Posted by goldenhibby
signing for dundee
I think we'll struggle to get anywhere near 4 signings by the end of the window!! 😉
Source?
This should be fun :greengrin
sorry cant divulge source but take it as fact!
FFS Hibs....why are these teams always able to outbid us for players.
He could have played the Matty Jack role!
He wasn't Hibs-Class anyway.
We're going to get relegated.
Fenlon has to go.
Take your pick. :rolleyes:
Do I need a source for my own opinion??Quote:
Originally Posted by Salt & Sauzee
New season, new kit, new team, same old Hibs.
Embarrasing Hibs :greengrin
Sorry I just struggle to believe anything unless I see a source or unless the person has a reputation for having good sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadyhibs
I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadyhibs
Do you know if Hibs actually made an offer?
Reason I ask is it will maybe stop people saying Dundee pay bigger wages than us.
You can't seriously expect folk to take it as fact when you post up he's signing for Dundee without any back up to prove it, if he does then it's meh from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadyhibs
Could mean that fenlon has a better target and maybury would be signed if other targets were not avaiable etc. as surely if fenlon desperately wanted him he would have been signed weeks agoQuote:
Originally Posted by shadyhibs
He played in a number of our pre-season games and looked OK. Doubt it would be money related, but I will believe it when I see it, that he has signed for Dundee. I will wait as I don't think we would go to the trouble of taking him on tour, and not offering him something, unless we have someone better lined up.....Quote:
Originally Posted by shadyhibs
Or it could mean if we offered him anything it was a pash deal and Dundee offered better.Quote:
Originally Posted by lewis_1875
Chance would be a fine thing......BQuote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn