Can’t be that much of a vibrant stadium hire market at the moment. The SRU should be lucky it’s not being requisitioned for “Essential moral boosting Premier Edinburgh football”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
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Can’t be that much of a vibrant stadium hire market at the moment. The SRU should be lucky it’s not being requisitioned for “Essential moral boosting Premier Edinburgh football”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
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Except we aren’t tested every day and live in a “player bubble”, but apart from that, Bob on.Quote:
Originally Posted by where'stheslope
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About Edinburgh’s average gate, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
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Celtic asking the Scottish government to try having fans the day or so after
Wonder if we’ve asked
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53864837
Would like to think if Celtic are putting their hat in the ring for next week, then Hibs would be doing likewise. I’m just not sure how around 1000 fans can be considered a ‘test event’ when the real thing would be multiple thousands. Surely it’ll just be a gradual build up, step by step - starting low and gradually getting more and more in reducing the gaps.
I can't see it being much more than that to begin with to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Knockhill were given permission today to have fans at the British Touring cars next week but were told to limit them to 200!
As there’s no fair way to decide who gets in from the season ticket and regular ticket holders they’ve decided to run it without fans again.
Not looking good for football getting a decent number of fans in soon.
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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
:top marks
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I've never been to Knockhill, how easy would it be for 200 people to attend whilst remaining socially distanced?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibee
I'm assuming their regular ticket holders are their equivalent of our walk up fans? If so I'm not sure why they wouldn't favour their season ticket holders.
In terms of football, I certainly don't expect huge numbers to begin with, probably about 1000 or so.
Compared to a football stadium it’s a huge area. There will be no problem with 200 people in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Should Hibs now be outlining how they intend to get ST holders back into the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibee
I was railing against the SPFL not having processes in place. Hibs should be well on the way to defining how a limited amount of supporters will be allocated.
Obviously availability needs to be considered, then fairness of number of games.
I am also assuming no away fans for the time being. This should be clear to all fans.
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Probably waiting to find out how limited that limited is. Not sure if there is anything they can comment on quite yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Wouldn’t expect any comment but would hope they are well down the route of planning for different levels of attendance.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
The first thing they will need to do, IMO, is have something in place to find out who actually wants to attend when we only have room for X amount of season ticket holders. There will be a fair amount who don’t want to so it would be good if they were ahead of the game in understanding that type of thing.
Probably best keeping quiet in case Aberdeen try and sign our season ticket holders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
I’m an out of town fan (20 miles away) and get the feeling it will be residents of Edinburgh who are back in the stadium first.
There will be a crowd level that would allow Hibs to break even once all the additional arrangements are counted in. I've no idea what that attendance would be, but I wouldn't want Hibs to open the doors unless they're allowed to let at least that number in.
Thanks that's interesting that it's been limited to just 200 people then.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
So am I and I have a similar fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
I'm thinking that the first part of your postcode might need to be the same as the stadium that you are attending i.e. EH for Easter Road and the Tony Macaroni Arena, G for Ibrox and Parkhead etc.
Hopefully not though.
I'm 28 miles [emoji22]Quote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
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I'm happy to wait if all STs can go to the semi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
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Having permission is one thing, doing it in a way that doesn’t lose the club money is another.
The club are already losing a **** tonne of money. Season ticket holders have paid up, and it’s up to the club to get them back in as soon as is safe to do so. If we’re waiting for walk ups then we’ll be waiting a very long time IMO. What we going to do, watch every other club let STH’s in and then say to our fans ‘sorry but we’re not having that as it would lose us a few bob’. We certainly won’t be breaking even this season regardless, but I expect the club to do all they can to get fans through the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
I see they are looking at 20-30% attendance in England from October 3rd with no away fans. If we do similar then 50% of ST holders will be able to attend each home game.
Just allow 5000 walk ups=tidy profitQuote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
So how do you choose who gets in and who doesn’t when folk have paid the same money for season tickets?
Unless we can use Murrayfield and accommodate all our season ticket holders it’s not fair to pick and choose imo.
Ballot and rotate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
It's better than no-one, surely?
Would be a ballot. Quite simple. Just because everyone can’t get in, it would be daft if the club to stop everyone from attending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Some ideas seem to be around postcodes nearest the groundQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Stops fans from travelling far
What is the point of a test event with 700 people in a 70,000 stadium?
What exactly are they testing anyway?
Bugger that, I'm not only going to McDairmid Park. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
As an aside, we played a bounce game at Perth a few weeks ago, a few fans watched the game between the Ormond and Main Stand, is this your chance😄Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
It will check the logistics before increasing the number attending. Less about the social distance more about the mechanics of getting people in and out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Just my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
I got a bus yesterday for the first time since lockdown and apart from the required face mask i couldn't see any restriction on numbers. not the same i know but apart from common sense there was nothing to stop you sitting infront behind or next to someone else. There may be more allowed in than we expect
Would you get to have a ballot with the rest of your household? If you get chosen for one game would you be ineligible for the next game? Do games v Rangers and Celtic get spread out evenly?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Quite a few things to consider.
That's what I suspect might happen but I hope not. Living in an FK postcode area I would probably be excluded even although I'd be coming from an area that's had less than 30 cases in the past 6 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Not sure a ballot would be the fairest of ways. Say 5000 fans are allowed back....Based on 10k ST holders I would just allow 5000 fans to attend one week and the other 5000 the next week, keep alternating week-on-week until things change again. That way everyone gets a chance to attend. Obviously depending on which week it was it would mean some fans get the “plum” fixtures but I can’t think of a fairer way to do it 🤔 🤷*♂️
Establish who doesn’t want to go. Establish who doesn’t need to distance from each other to maximise space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Ballot for the first game. Those unsuccessful for the first game are priority for the second game and so on.
We won’t accommodate everyone to start with but whether it’s 1k, 5k or 10k we need to be good to go with however many are allowed, as soon as they’re allowed.
Yes and yes would be the answer to your first two questions if I was making the decisions, not even household though. Could just be your bubble, I go to the games with my son and father in law, who I see regularly. The three of us going together would make sense and would ease the strain of trying to put separation between everyone. Would literally be pointless if me and my father in law were both drawn to go to the game and had to sit apart from each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
You’re right though, it is things to be considered, that doesn’t mean they’re insurmountable problems though.
Glory hunter 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Depends on how strictly the club have been told to enforce things and whether or not your father in law is asked to prove that he lives alone and therefore eligible to form an extended household/bubble before he would be allowed to attend with you. They might not go as far as that and just stick to actual household groups going together.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I agree they're not insurmountable but I was just querying these points with the poster who described as being "quite simple" to arrange.
I'm sure I'm doing this glory hunting thing wrong somehow, just can't figure out how though! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Personally, im happy not to attend just now - just doesnt seem worth the risk to me, and other people who are keen should get any limited availability.
I see they are looking at 20-30% attendance in England from October 3rd with no away fans. If we do similar then 50% of ST holders will be able to attend each home game.
All leagues in England?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
If the club were making a loss on games to allow a few thousand fans in then it’s got to be a no. Ballot like most of you have said is fair enough I suppose.
Including the EPL, here's a read on how many fans could get in to each ground potentiallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
https://talksport.com/football/747453/how-many-fans-every-premier-league-club-stadiums-one-metre-social-distancing-measures/
So where do you start? Clubs may need to have test events to show they can handle any restrictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I think the Knockhill decision as laid out here is poor, they’re depriving 200 folk attending and the chance to prep for a greater number at future events too under the ‘can’t find a fair way to choose the 200. I wonder if there’s a financial aspect as you’ve mentioned above.
fans need to screw the nut too. I get an underlying feeling there’s an element of ‘if I can’t go no one else should’ (a bit of this from Warriors fans for next Friday). If Folk can get in now great,fill your boots and enjoy, I’ll get my turn when it’s my time.
the only thing I would say is, with 4 times the infection last week, I don’t want a thousand fans coming from Glasgow to Edinburgh next week.
Ta found itQuote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talks...ronavirus/amp/
This bit
Capacity will be limited and those attending will have to adhere to new codes of behaviour which may mean no singing or shouting so as to respect social distancing measures.
It’s going to cost them money to get people in. But people have have also spent a lot of money to attend games at Easter Road. The club have a responsibility to make that happen, for however many people are allowed to attend, as soon as they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Renewals first
New ST holders pick up the scraps, only fair.
The club will automatically make a loss on the games because only season ticket holders will be able to attend, so there will be no matchday income to offset against the costs of holding the game eg stewarding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
It wouldn't surprise me if the kiosks are kept closed to avoid queues in the concourses and stewards would control how many people could access the toilets at any one time. Ideally they'd want to control the rush for the exits at full time but not sure that could be done.
I'd think allowing half the season ticket holders to attend each game would be viable. The easiest way would be to assign everyone to either Group 1 or Group 2, with members of the same network in the same group, and then assign a seat to each person/group that maintains distancing which would mean not getting your own seat.
Group 1 would get half the fixtures plus Celtc and Group 2 would get the other half plus Sevco.
This would allow 5,500 fans at each game, which would mean about 5000 actually in attendance if the usual 10% estimate of season tickets can't attend. That could be higher as some of our more vulnerable fans may decide not to risk it.
The no singing seems like speculation. I don't see how it's enforceable and if you're outside and completely separated from anyone not in your own household then I don't see the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
If that rule is going to be enforced, they would be as well not bothering with football crowds for the foreseeable future as that would just never work.
As the guidance has the risk of infection if you are on close proximity for more than 15 minutes maybe allow fans in, and every 10 to 15 minutes a tune is played over the tannoy and the crowd gets up and moves about and when the music stops you all dash for a seat. That means people are less likely to be next to the same person for more than 15 minutes at a time.
You could add a bit of interest by having 1 less seat each time. I can't believe someone hasn't thought of that before. :greengrin
Presumably the south and west stands will be closed because that is where the players and other staff are.
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I would doubt it. If the permitted number is going to be something like 5000 people then I'd expect them to want them to be as widely spread out as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
Of course if the number's much lower then that would be a possibility.
Did folks see the social distancing when Sevilla scored? Out the window. No singing? Unenforceable from a practical perspective and if not taken care a wedge between season ticket holders and the club if the sanction is to warn/suspend access. Bit of a minefield. But gotta take steps to reintroduce. Virus ain’t going away any time soonQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
If singing is banned it's not going to be a decision made by Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viva_Palmeiras
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Originally Posted by bingo70
You rang?
Hun in my work said some of them have had emails saying which home games they've been selected for.
No singing allowed shouldn't be a problem at ER.
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I never said the logistics of a ballot was simple, that’s for the club to sort out, but the decision to have a ballot than not have anyone in at all is simple and the fairest way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Like a previous poster said, if it was 50% then of course have half one week half the other. Although the questions you posed are probably fairly simple for the club to sort. No bubbles, just households only, and based on the address on the database.
Eddie Hearn last night was saying he expects given the go ahead next month to have fans at boxing events in October.
EFL agree deal with Sky Sports allowing clubs in all three divisions to stream every match next season until stadiums at least 50 per cent full. Clubs to keep the revenue with Sky waiving compensation rights for loss of exclusivity. https://t.co/KOmEu0MB6v
Yes, very easy to social distance, the area is huge and outdoors so could easily have accommodated their 600+ loyal season ticket holders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
They’ve already sold many thousand more tickets as people travel to these events from all over the country and beyond, the tickets are usually on sale up to a year in advance so will have been purchased before the lockdown.
The South has been getting used for the away teams changing rooms I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
Could use the upper south?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Apologies I have obviously misunderstood your "Would be a ballot. Quite simple." comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Re not allowing extended households, I'm not sure that would be very fair at all considering the whole point of them is to allow people who live alone to get social interaction and is allowed in every other aspect of life at the moment.
If people can't go with an extended household then what happens to an elderly person who has no other means of getting to games other than with a son or daughter etc?
Had heard that its doubtful that concessions will get in as the over 65's are more at risk and kids are asymptomatic. No doubt that will get some peoples backs right up.
Will this mean that hospitality could open, albeit at reduced numbers? Big spaces and easily to socially distanced.
Could be a nice money maker for the club, I’d definitely upgrade the season ticket to hospitality with my group at least once!
You can't ban someone who paid their money because of their age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daydreamer
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I doubt that’s true considering both age groups are free to do things now (within the same restrictions as us all)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daydreamer
My Grandad would massively kick off if he wasn’t allowed in because of his age :greengrin
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Originally Posted by hibee_girl
and so he should, he’s old enough to decide if it’s safe to go
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Originally Posted by Jones28
Hibs have sold 11,000 tickets.
Allowing some of them to attend games they've actually paid for can't be described as 'making a loss'
I would imagine hospitality ST holders will be one of the first groups back. They’ve been back in the suites to watch away games a couple of times now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 18Craig75
What’s the point of the away teams not using the away dressing room? They don’t social distance after they come out of the changing room.
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Originally Posted by The dalmeny
I've made similar points in the past, it just strikes me as the football world wanting to do something to make a statement. It makes zero sense, clinical or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
Similar to the Chelsea players being unable to pick up their runners up medals after the FA Cup final due to "Covid protocols". Even although for 90 minutes they had been up close and personal with the Arsenal players and they had all been cuddling each other at full time.
It's all a nonsense.
That would be ridiculous, no way that's true for over 65s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daydreamer
I agree, I can’t see any good reason for it, it’s the same with substitutes sitting with face masks on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Quite looking forward to hearing what some of our terrace chanting will sound like through masks. Won’t be spine-tingling I suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I think you wait until you have a viable vaccine. In the grand scheme of things football is not important and if it puts public health at risk then it should be an absolute no go.Quote:
Originally Posted by The dalmeny
For the season ticket holders I’m sure the club could find a way to thank them in the future, maybe by selling them heavily discounted ST’s in the future.
Just because we theoretically could have fans back doesn’t mean we should. Football doesn’t bring out people’s best behaviour and you add alcohol in to the mix it just isn’t worth the risk.
Why? If it’s putting peoples health at risk then IMO nothing should go before that. You can take all the precautions you like but health has to come first and football should be one of things at the bottom of the pile.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
It’s a bit of a contradiction, having “thank you NHS” on the tops while putting peoples health at risk.
If the club are going to take a hit financially on having 5000 fans in then what’s the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eyrie
If the club were to offer heavily discounted season tickets next season for example, or even freebies to those who bought this season then why not have no fans this season?
Well let’s rephrase it and say that for matches the club has no actual money coming through the door and has had to burn through season ticket income at a much faster rate than normal due to no walk up tickets being sold, is that better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Nobody is suggesting we just let everybody pile in and get on with it. Find a way to manage the risk, the same as every other industry that is non essential but letting customers in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
It’s pretty clear the virus isn’t going away. Do we just accept we can’t do anything or get on with finding ways to do things a bit differently? And safely? I know which I’d rather do.
How do you then cover your costs next year doing that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
You have walk up fans once you have a viable vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Fair enough, each to their own. I don’t agree, and think that until a vaccine is found we should not be attending mass gatherings - distancing in place or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Less all (or a lot of) your season ticket revenue. Need an awful lot of walk ups to cover that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
if you wait for a vaccine it will probably be a long wait. We perhaps have different views on this and I’m cool with that. I’m much more for personal responsibility. If the club put forward measures I’m happy with then I’ll go, if not I won’t. I’m an overweight 50+ Apos man so to an extent I’m in a higher risk group but I’m able to make an informed decision as to the things I’m happy with and those I’m not. I’m off to the pub tonight and booked a table so I can watch the rugby/football. If I get there and I’m not comfortable I’ll walk away. I don’t need someone to tell me to stay or go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Folk would be gagging to go to a game, myself included. You’re going to make a loss either way, it health has to come first.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
I don’t particularly want the country back in lockdown because folk want to go to football matches.
I hope thats not the agreement we have, can you imagine not being able to see your team because you havent been selected to be in the 50% then cant watch it on stream.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
As you say, each to their own and I don’t have a problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
There will be others in the same boat and attendance isn’t compulsory after all. I posted earlier that, IMO, the first thing the club needs to do is find out who actually wants to attend. People can make their own decisions on whether they want to go or not but, if it is deemed safe to have fans in, the club have a responsibility to get as many people in that want to go, as they can. Those that don’t want to go, don’t have to.
All out faith in personal responsibility gets you the kind of scenes we’ve seen on hot days on the south coast. You feel comfortable to make decisions for yourself which is fine, but it’s other people. It’s the % of the population who don’t care, who shouldn’t have the responsibility that will cause us problems in the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by The dalmeny
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Originally Posted by Jones28
indeed, for all these events, the NRS have gone from weekly to monthly reporting because the number of deaths is so low and hospital cases have stayed pretty level, I have two kids at secondary am I supposed to stop them going to school because it’s a mass gathering?
we are on a much more similar wavelengthQuote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Nah, like you say it’s personal responsibility so each the their own. I don’t agree but such is life.Quote:
Originally Posted by The dalmeny
and I’m ok with that :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28